Experts slugfest: 2023 Oscars recap -- Breaking down 'Everything Everywhere's' unprecedented sweep

[@indiefilmmillennial8338]

On the Tom Cruise question, he’s bigger than the Oscar’s. Love him or hate him, this ceremony isn’t important to him. He’ll keep jumping out of planes, and it’ll be up to the academy if they ever want to award that sort of thing a prize. But he doesn’t need the recognition.

[@thedude8948]

The "narrative" aspect was really strong this year. You can make the case that all four acting wins were narrative-driven

[@glenn8861]

The changing lights in the seats were incredible and made the wide, bird's-eye shots incredible to look at.

[@charliemartial4897]

So can we finally put to rest the Older Voters trope that was consistently being used when describing why EEAAO was not going to win?

[@Bryan4Hillary]

As a huge Oscar nerd, I find you guys incredibly entertaining. I will sit and listen to you and not look at the time once, even though I will look at the time many times during some films of comparable length 😂 thank you for these!

[@LukgadePayakorn]

Oscar is about momentum, not narrative nor performances. If it goes for "narrative" then Glen Close should have won. If it goes for "performances" then Cate/Austin/Kerry should have won. Oscar also didn't care about the age as it goes to Rami Malex and Eddie Redmayne who were still not old at the time they got it. Oscar voters are lazy to think, they just copy whatever award show that comes right before the voting opens!!!

[@jonathanvelazquezph.d.2719]

This year's Oscar proves that narrative matters a lot. That a strange wacky movie with heart and originality can win big. That the Academy has no problem leaving half of its Best Picture nominees empty-handed. That the BAFTA love for All Quiet on the Western Front was not a BAFTA thing; heck it won 4 Oscars! Can't wait for the next season!!

[@candle1606]

It seems it is safe to say predictions has to be based on the best narrative not best acting. When I saw who was winning throughout the night I knew Austin will not win It was all about age, comebacks and narratives. Academy’s rating will be even lower next year

[@eileengriffin6476]

Many movie critics said The Acadamy doesn't like giving the Oscars to people who are under thirty Isn't that age discrimination?

[@candle1606]

@@eileengriffin6476 you know that is an excellent point

[@DavidN369]

Been waiting for this all morning. So agree on all your analyses, and certainly The Kimmel.. One thing that struck me was that many spontaneous and/or eloquent and/or witty acceptances repeatedly came from the non-actors -- good night for speeches. As usual, "In Memoriam" had some shocking omissions. What was with the Warner Bros centenary section including MGM films? I know they own the library, but WB didn't MAKE "Singin' in the Rain." Very odd. At least we got an appearance from one of MY favorite performers of 2022: Jenny is undoubtedly fielding agent offers even as this is being typed. As ever, it's our mantra: Youse twose are the berries. More, please, thank you.

[@chrisjrosen]

Thanks for watching and engaging all season!

[@allabouteve2390]

Blanchett did set several records this awards season; she became the first actor to win 2 trifectas, the actor with the most awards ever and in achieving the latter she became the first actor to pass the 200 awards mark. . Its been a rewarding year, not only for Blanchett but also for others. One of the biggest winners, not in awards but in terms of her career, is Nina Hoss. Finally Hollywood's eyes have been open to her potential, she has a US agent and several new projects in the pipeline. I also love Field's comment about how Blanchett always knows what's going on with everyone on set and would tell him if someone was feeling a little down and needed a break. It's a testament to how seriously she takes the responsibility of being the lead actor. Also a sign she cares for fellow workers of any film spectrum She's often spoke about how the lead role isn't about having the biggest part and the most lines but about setting the tone and setting an example. And her being a true movie lover is her choice to praise fellow women and rivals, having the obvious risk to splitt her votes. Final great thing is this actress who is involved in refugee solidarity movement convinced many to wore the blue ribbon. All in all they took the risk and created a movie for the ages and its been a great, and rewarding, ride for the rare genre of Art House Cinema, so needed especially this era. Thank You Team TAR and sincere congratulations to all winners and nominnees!

[@manningbartlett522]

49:22 Nothing weird about the JLC/Cate Blanchett link - they were in Borderlands together and CB refers to JLC as "the best human on the planet" in her Variety Actors on Actors piece with Michelle Yeoh.

[@rhythmoriented]

As a musician, I’m having a difficult time reconciling Justin Hurwitz’ loss for the brilliant Babylon score that essentially acted as a narrator. AQOWF was a very good film technically, but this outcome will be remembered for a long time - especially given the cult following that Babylon is accumulating.

[@timgriffin3368]

TheFilmDrunk would agree

[@cherswigmaker]

That score was pretty derivative of La La Land’s. I was fine with the nom but I’m glad it didn’t win

[@queenofwater8783]

I felt that All’s Quiet…deserved to be Best Picture period, but I knew it wouldn’t. I was so disappointed that Austin Butler didn’t win, but he seemed to take it well. He will have another chance, perhaps. I look forward to seeing what he does next.

[@eileengriffin6476]

That's because he is a humble stand-up guy. He was one of the first who stood up & gave Brendan a standing ovation

[@sae5053]

i think if austin had won at sag awards that day, that would have helped it gain other awards at oscars later but he didn't so even in costume and makeup, elvis slipped and other movies took over

[@drewwilliams3079]

You guys are awesome. I had three for four in acting. Had Austin winning but as soon as Make up and hair was announced I pretty much knew Brendan was taking home an Oscar.

[@Juliagoolia81]

Discovered you while deep diving Matthew Goode’s amazing performance in the Offer. What a great interview that was! He’s delightful. Anyway, I’ve really enjoyed your insights since. I ended up getting 16/23 correct, falling short with 4 Elvis picks and nods for Banshees for supporting actress and original screenplay. As much as I loved EEAAO, I wanted Banshees to take something! ANYWAY - I’m still thoroughly perplexed by All Quiet’s overall popularity, especially its production design win. It came in fourth for PD in a few other polls as well. Do you have any additional insight as to what may have happened there? What did you two appreciate about the film? Thanks so much!

[@chrisjrosen]

Thanks, Julia! Just speaking for me here: All Quiet was obviously incredibly popular at BAFTA and war movies do tend to do very well with that group and with the academy in general. It is also the closest thing in this year's race to a craft achievement along the lines of Dune or Mad Max: Fury Road -- especially with Top Gun and Wakanda Forever missing some key nominations that felt pretty locked. So in production design, it seems like with Babylon as a soft frontrunner, Avatar as a sequel the academy liked but didn't love, and Elvis flailing, they went with the movie they loved the most in the category.

[@Juliagoolia81]

Thanks! That helps a lot. All Quiet certainly was a technical achievement, but with so much originality in the field this year, I found it harder to get excited about another war (or “anti-war”) film. But have I made a war film? No. 😂

[@Bryan4Hillary]

I’m a total EEAAO stan. It moves me deeply and I will rewatch countless times. But I agree, other than a single fav, this wasn’t a super strong year

[@Nobody-nv6ds]

Already can't wait for next year's predictions :)

[@DavidN369]

Ditto.

[@SoulKnightKing]

Elvis, Triangle of Sadness, Banshees, Fabelmans, TAR 5 of the strongest Best Picthre nominees. 33 nominations. ZERO WINS EEAAO did not deserve every single major award. Oscars said this is the best film of all year. That's disgusting. I love EEAAO but it didn't deserve 3 acting, editing, screenplay, direction, and producing. There were excellent films made in 2022 but the kscars focused more on pandering than awarding the best. HOW DID BLANCHETT LOSE

[@indiefilmmillennial8338]

I would have liked to see some other films get recognition, but I loved EEAO. And the only win of theirs that gave me pause was for JLC, and even with that, I would have given the prize to Stephanie.

[@t-pnaminami3808]

EEAAO was the most awarded movie ever even before the Oscars, as calculated by IGN. Oscars was simply a continuation of an epic winning streak. Considering the previous most awarded movie (Return Of The King) got more Oscars, the amount that EEAAO got was on the low side in comparison.

[@darylchin53]

Why do people forget that A STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE won three Acting Oscars: Vivien Leigh (Best Actress), Karl Malden (Best Supporting Actor) and Kim Stanley (Best Supporting Actress)? The only one who didn't win from A STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE was Marlon Brando (the Best Actor went to Humphrey Bogart for THE AFRICAN QUEEN); it was Brando's first nomination (at age 26), after his debut the year before in THE MEN.

[@darrensmith4932]

And he made up for it with two best actor wins later on

[@gule55]

I think is because that was a long time ago

[@allabouteve2390]

because voters and fans need to have film history lessons before having the ligitimacy to vote or to comment

[@Bryan4Hillary]

I never forget that it won 3, but I always forget (honestly) that Brando didn’t win for it.

[@darylchin53]

@@Bryan4Hillary In the history of the Oscar, no actor has won Best Actor before the age of 30! There are three: Brando, Richard Dreyfuss, and Adrien Brody. All were 29 when they were nominated, and before the Oscar ceremony, all turned 30. This year, Paul Mescal was the youngest nominee in the category: he turned 27 in February. But you can see how p.r. works: there were lots of comments on how Austin Butler was 31 (borderline in terms of how young he was) but no one mentioning how young Paul Mescal was. Brando's getting four nominations before the age of 30 is an Academy record.

[@johndeignan2668]

How was The Whale a flop? It made 36 million at the box office against 3 million dollar budget…..

[@lauramyers2276]

Brendan tipped the scale because of narrative. Everything I’m hearing is voters loved Austin and think he’s so extremely talented that he will be back so that also tipped it to Brendan.

[@putinscat1208]

The thing is, I've seen Elvis in movies from the 1960s. Why do I have to watch someone pretending. And Elvis is a character that has appeared in other movies, usually by impersonators. I would never give the movie much weight, just like when they do movies about the Beatles or any musician.

[@lauramyers2276]

@@putinscat1208 This was a story to put his life in context within the times of when he lived and how influential he was and the social and cultural dynamics of that time in the United States. I was actually skeptical when I heard Austin was cast. I thought no way. Then I saw the movie I was blown away. Then I learned how much work he put in (including switching between decades on a daily basis during filming as they don’t shoot in chronological order) and actually sang which no one else has done. Rami Malek as Freddie Mercury did not sing, neither did Rene Zellweger as Judy Garland (a performance that was actually cringe and I still saw Rene not Judy) Austin was fantastic. I wish him a happy wonderful long life and career.

[@putinscat1208]

@@lauramyers2276 Malek is overrated. You got a popular icon vs a 600 lb dying man. So the makeup argument isn't gonna hold up. I haven't seen either movie. But I would lean towards The Whale just based on content. I would lean towards Whale based on clips, a dying overweight guy, and Austin gyrating on stage.

[@lauramyers2276]

@@putinscat1208 I have seen them both. And even at my age I enjoy the eye candy that is Austin’s portrayal. As well as poignant and thoughtful. Gyrating not withstanding. 😂 He’s a beautiful young man as was Elvis.

[@patcurrie9888]

Narrative for Brendan, okay.. Did you see the movie? Everything Everywhere was a narrative too, beating out the narrative for Angela. It had a good message, almost lost with everything going on. I know a few people that turned it off. There was several movies more deserving.

[@slc2466]

The "Elvis" shutout kept me from winning the main contest I entered (so no thank you very much for that, Academy), but due to hitting all the top eight categories right I still came close and ended up second; listening to Joy and Christopher over the last few months didn't hurt in guiding me on the right path in these categories. So happy to see all the "Everywhere" wins, and for Brendan.

[@paigebjerke5635]

Kendall said "tightrope walk on a straight razor" in the trailer lol 1:08:16

[@GABentCon]

I never understood why people thought Austin's performance and ''Elvis' in general were "Oscar-worthy."

[@Bryan4Hillary]

On your what if questions… I do think that Michelle still would’ve lost to Jamie Lee in supporting. Spielberg winning director fell to EEAAO, I think Michelle would’ve been similar.

[@chrisjrosen]

I think this is right!

[@don5anjos]

Remembering that back there you didn't even mention EEAAO as a possible candidate, much less an Oscar winner

[@adrianhaynes5315]

You guys got 60%?, I feel a lot better about my 70% now. I did get all 3 of the shorts correct ✅

[@Mntguy-nr9vl]

Jamie Lee Curtis one because she has a ton of friends in Hollywood and because of her SAG speech which was 3 days before Oscar voting started. I believe Cate Blanchett loss because of her crass cavalier attitude about award shows being trash to paraphrase. She acted too cool for school and then you had that whole business of her getting her friend nominated which was a little dodgy. The only race I wasn't sure of was actor but again Brandon has been around for 30 years and this is his restitution for more or less being blackballed having his marriage fall apart and going into a depression which probably gave him the emotion to have this role so everything happened the way it should!

[@donp6441]

I don't think Cate was trying to br crass. And she didn't get her friend nominated. She actually doesn't personally know Andrea Riseborough. And Riseborough deserved to be nominated. It was Michelle Williams, who changed to campaigning for Best Actress from a supporting role that took a slot from someone else, and in a not very good movie. Jamie Lee Curtis and Michelle Yeoh eon on narratives and rode the wave of Everything Everywhere All At Onxe.

[@candle1606]

I am still puzzled how they shut out Elvis all the way , Even if they wanted to give the best actor award to the come back guy the hair and make up should have gone to Elvis because as Tom Hanks said months ago he and Butler both had to go to make up chair for many hours everyday. By the way what hair in whale are we talking about ? How many people in whale were transformed and how many in Elvis?🤔

[@maatspear]

I felt so bad for Angela Bassett. She was so devastated.

[@jonathanvelazquezph.d.2719]

😬 she was

[@matilda0410]

Fantastic Oscars telecast. I'm so proud to have been on the EEAAO train all this time and never having wavered. This film and everything it represents is so important. After this and Coda last year, it's about time to see the Academy come into this century. BAFTAS have been so over hyped. Glad I never rode the rollercoaster. This was such an amasing moment in time, and they truly deserve it.

[@josephdigristina2808]

I don't get Fraser's so called " narrative." I just reviewed his filmography, and with the exception of 1 or 2 films. it's not exactly an impressive resume of quality films. As a matter of fact, most of his films have been pretty darn terrible.

[@maplenerd22]

The narrative is his comeback story, not his filmography. At one point he wasn't acting or getting roles for a variety of reasons.

[@MrROKinROK]

I agree with the general takes people have re: the factors that contributed to Jamie Lee Curtis's "upset" win (e.g., it was a career award, she had momentum, the movie was popular, she campaigned masterfully, etc.) But there's another factor that I haven't heard mentioned that I think helped nudge her over the finish line. I think some of the voters rewarded her for being "bold." Much like Lady Gaga was lauded for stripping off her makeup and ball gown for her performance, I think some voters gave JLC "extra credit"for going frumpy. And during the course of her Oscar campaign, she made a point of mentioning that she didn't use prosthetics to enhance her midsection. She let it all hang out for the sake of the craft. I think this helped earn her some points in the estimation of some of the voters. And when juxtaposed against someone else who got to be a glammed up bad ass (in a Marvel movie, *ahem*), I think that was helpful to JLC's cause.

[@ssshar2176]

Great season you two!!!! I can’t wait for Emmy Season!!!

[@tylerrigby6060]

I'm just happy I got the same percentage score as Joyce! Gutted for Banshees, best film of the year completely shut out.

[@elleryprescott]

Joyce, are you on Letterboxd? 🥺

[@frankchan5547]

Great comments, chemistry and humour from these two. Love your work

[@quirkyjoeAnimated]

I am ready for PAST LIVES supremacy at Oscars 2024!!! Maybe.

[@RichardHannay]

It’s Parasite and 1917 with the Oscars and BAFTAs all over again

[@chocolateindie6]

The only reason Elvis win none because SAG is right before the voting for Oscar. If they changed the order SAG then BAFTA then Oscar then Austin/Cate would win.

[@terrancemoore496]

You actually don't need to watch the whole Oscar show to know the winners and looser. That's why there are highlights and the internet.

[@SamBryans128]

I was all in on Elvis as well. I had it winning 5. I got all 7 EEAAO though. I counted out All Quiet on the Western Front too easily; I only had it for international feature. I ended up with 16 of 23 correct. I loved the show. After skipping the crafts categories last year, they went HARD on introducing the crafts this year and I loved all the intros set designs, particularly costume and editing. Can't wait for the ridiculously early Oscar predictions! Don't forget Legally Blonde 3 is coming out this year, there's a chance for Jennifer Coolidge to get best supporting actress.

[@oldschoolabrahamhicks2742]

Such fun! Love this duo, what an amazing season! What to live for now?! Lol

[@oldschoolabrahamhicks2742]

I thought this season of films was amazing- defo the most interesting bunch in a while for me. Icing being EEAAO

[@Mntguy-nr9vl]

I'm baffled why so many people put weight on the Baftas? It's a completely different voting body than the Sags which is the same voting body only the actors. The Sags are a better indicator of what will happen and it was a 100% precursor. Sometimes there are snafuis like when Sandra Bullock won for the Blind side and Meryl Streep won the sag for Doubt just to give an example.

[@moviemarvel7450]

Fun Fact: Daisy Edgar Jones would have featured in Naatu Naatu song. Yes, she had signed the film in 2018 but she dropped out of RRR.

[@emillion4470]

It's disappointing to hear your lackadaisical and dismissive assessment of the most enjoyable and perhaps consequential Oscar season in recent memory. Topped by a surprisingly watchable and heartfelt show on awards night, the Oscars left the audience feeling engaged, entertained and optimistic - for a change. Is it fatigue? A creeping cynicism on both your parts? As much as I've enjoyed your deep statistical knowledge and insider industry insight it's probably a good thing that awards season is now over and we can all push the reset button.

[@eileengriffin6476]

Austin should have won. He put 3 years of his life & soul into that performance , whereas Brendan only put 3 months into his film. This is BS.. The award shouldn't be about a comeback actor. It should be about the best performance & merit.

[@vincelamb4063]

Not only did "Elvis" not win a single Oscar, Tom Hanks won two Razzies for Worst Actor and Worst Screen Couple (with his makeup and accent). "Blonde" also won two Razzies for Worst Picture and Worst Screenplay. Cate Blanchett couldn't even earn a nomination at the Saturn Awards for her performance in "Thor: Ragnarok." Tessa Thompson got their nomination for "Thor: Ragnarok" instead. Their other MCU actresses nominated that year were from "Black Panther," Lupita Nyong'o and Danai Gurira, who won Best Supporting Actress at the 2018 ceremony.

[@kc8x]

My predictions were on point this year better than most critics. Happy Babylon went home empty handed bc it was a desaster. I like the Whale Esp the performances.

[@blaz5210]

Once Make up went to Whale... I said "ok so that means Brandon is winning"... Wow, that movie, while good but not awardsworthy, has won two Oscars. Incomprehensible, since more superior films went home with zero (Tar, Banshees, Elvis, Fabelmans)

[@Jorbo23]

With the BAFTAs moving before the SAG Awards this season, I think SAG became the better predictor leading into Oscar voting

[@dreamliving9669]

I agree! If BAFTAs were after the SAG as it was in previous years I think we might have seen a few different acting winners. The SAG momentum right before Oscar voting opened played a factor. But in my view BAFTA was more spot on as the Oscars this year was more about the narratives just like SAG.

[@niccage6375]

I love EEAO and I love JLC. She's great in that movie, glad she has an oscar, but Angela Bassett should've won instead

[@Kevin-rg3yc]

Damn I also think Angela screen time in wakanda forever messed her up in the long run as well bc (SPOILER ALERT) she’s barely in the film she was a big highlight especially her “have I not given everything” monologue but she was killed off literally in the middle of the second act in fact her being killed off and not giving her more screen time was one of the reasons why many people didn’t like wakanda forever as much as the first black panther film, whereas Jamie was in EEAAO from beginning to end and was given more screen time to showcase her range, from comedic timing to initially looking like a villain before the surprise came to Stephanie hsu to playing different personas/characters

[@Mntguy-nr9vl]

I think it was one of the most exciting Oscars in years. Three of the categories I wasn't sure who was going to win. Sometimes it's a lock and you know months in advance

[@branagain]

Best Oscar Joke: adding Robert Blake to the In Memoriam. Worst Oscar Joke: anything related to the Cocaine Bear.

[@sunnnysingh3498]

Cannot still believe tar won zero Oscar. What the heck?

[@RVandergeld]

Its a bad movie. Simple as that!

[@southpakrules]

Mirror mirror on the wall, which is the wokest movie of them all? A safe bet to predict the oscars.

[@da96103]

For those wondering about the ratings: From Deadline: The 95th annual ceremony brought in 18.7 million viewers, a 12% increase from last year when the telecast captured 16.6M viewers. The telecast also was up to a 4.0 demo rating, compared with last year’s 3.8.

[@lauramyers2276]

That will go back down next year unless Austin Butler gets nominated again. 😂☺️

[@whatsup4825]

Please force Hugh Grant to host the next Oscars. His scrotum joke got the biggest laugh of the night. 😂😂😂

[@richardbegg1186]

Joyce's predictions last year for best picture nominations were pretty good actually. With the exception of Everything Everywhere, but she did consider it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYrHqoyPobaXjJI