Explaining All Banned Trap Cards in YuGiOh [Part 1] - Time Seal

[@LazurBeemz]

I'd like to see a historical "why WERE they banned" series in the future, that explains how come certain cards were once banned and what changed that led to them being unbanned.

[@miopicpanda]

The answer is pretty much always just going to be "powercreep" or "it shouldn't have been banned in the first place"

[@laytonjr6601]

@@miopicpanda or "it was absolutely broken but an errata made the card useless"

[@LazurBeemz]

@@miopicpanda well yeah, or the third option of errata made the card so bad it could come off the list. But I'm more interested in hearing about old metas, and the circumstances that led to the ban at that time.

[@caleblangley1948]

More opportunities to talk about Chaos Emperor Dragon.

[@jonathanschwartez1496]

being stress after receive 3 mirror force / 3 tribute torrential

[@bijuutamer729]

In modern Yugioh Time Seal might as well say, “skip YOUR draw phase by drawing this card”

[@quelqunx7470]

YEP LOL

[@quelqunx7470]

@Dan in which case you already won

[@quelqunx7470]

@Dan also your opponent doesn't magically run out of cards. You need to build your deck to make that happen. And if you draw a card like time seal, which does nothing for 3 turns*, you won't run your opponent out of cards and you'll lose before time seal matters or be in a losing position. * Why it does nothing for 3 turns? It does nothing on the turn you draw, you set it (1st turn). Then next turn you activate it but since your opponent drawing is the first thing in the turn, your time seal isn't skipping this draw (2nd turn). Then it's your turn again (3rd turn). Time seal did nothing for 3 turns.

[@quelqunx7470]

@Dan no, I understood you correctly. If your opponent has no cards in hand, while you had a turn with playable cards, you should win. Hence, skipping their draw isn't relevant. And time seal doesn't skip their draw. It skips their draw in 4 turns. So it isn't even doing the job you want it to do.

[@SaitenX]

there is already a ritual monster that skips mp1 and a spell that skips mp2 so i don't think time seal is so bad.

[@murx2530]

Konami: Last Turn is a last resort card meant to be activated if you're about to lose the game, which gives you a last chance to win the duel in an epic one on one attack power duel using the strongest monster you and your opponent have in your decks. Yu-Gi-Oh players: lol no

[@bradpollard444]

I'd summon my Vanity's ruler to prevent my opponent from being able to special summon any monster.

[@briancorvello3620]

It could, it would, it should, but it ain't. Why? What Brad said, although other possibilities are Jowgen the Spiritualist (the most commonly used card in this combo), Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo, Vanity's Fiend, Archlord Kristya, Aurora Paragon, The Last Warrior from Another Planet, or ANY Ritual Monster summoned via Djinn Releaser of Rituals. Cards like Gravity Collapse and Non Aggression Area can achieve the same result. Inferno Tempest can not only leave your opponent with nothing to summon, it can help reduce your Life Points to the required 1,000 or less. And the Trap itself is incredibly easy to search for using a simple Cat of Ill Omen, even without Necrovalley. (A Field Spell which is itself a card most players despise.) Last Turn is so outrageously broken that it's even Limited in the rules for Traditional Format (which nobody ever uses) and I can guarantee you this is NOT going to change.

[@Cokevanished]

Just make it so that all monster effects are negated while last turn is on the field, that would fix all the problems

[@bradpollard444]

@@Cokevanished does this card get rid of every other monster on the field? I would suggest using Scape Goat to special summon Destiny Hero Plasma and then activate Last Turn.

[@0bsidianblade]

If you have a card out that is unaffect by other card effects would it stop last game from working? It says send all other cards to thier graveyards "after that" if they dont actually manadge to clear the field would it not stop the rest of the effect?

[@yazanabbadi4247]

Imagine activating solemn judgement on Gift card lol

[@brianaguilar8283]

What if they’re playing Nurse Burn?

[@chadtrowbridge9412]

I have gotten someone to do that before. I use gift card and hope for escape as a draw engine in my exodia deck. I went up against someone at locals who had consistently lost to my exodia deck with his deck. He negated my first gift card to make my copies of hope for escape dead draws.

[@ssengageisop3952]

lol

[@HareHaruhi]

I had someone chain maxx c on my pot of duality once

[@seanmetellus6851]

if they have bad reaction to simochi out then I honestly would if I would take less damage tbh

[@LordSillyBottom]

They didn’t “fix” Sinister Serpent; they straight up ruined it.

[@briancorvello3620]

"Be careful what you wish for." Players were making such a fuss about cards that had been Forbidden for years after becoming way too powerful (including Dark Magician of Chaos, Sinister Serpent, Ring of Destruction, and Crush Card Virus); they all were shouting, "bring them back! They'd be worthless in today's meta!" a blatant lie they made while plotting the invincible decks they'd build if Konami ever caved and put them on the Limited list. Konami got sick of it all, and did indeed upgrade them to Limited - with a catch. These cards were given new errata that give them serious nerfs, making the powerful strategies they were outlawed for completely unusable, even in Traditional Format.

[@dimasreidz48]

@@briancorvello3620 thanks Brian

[@briancorvello3620]

@@dimasreidz48 Yer velcome.

[@usmc11211]

Agreed

[@sus4644]

Erratas ruin everything.

[@gabrielamaya9086]

self destruct might get the only condition in the card text: "Once per match." and prevent looping with the same opponent too much.

[@kotzpenner]

Are there even "once per match" cards? I know only like Victory Dragon for winning the entire Match

[@EutopiaK]

Thats what i was thinking

[@azuredragoon2054]

@@kotzpenner You just answered your own question. That said, Victory Dragon causes sportsmanship issues as well with the rules of surrender. Self Destruct is inherently anti-sportsmanship if you intend to use it as your match win condition.

[@adamxue6096]

Pretty sure the entire "Match Maker" are all banned for being ruling nightmares and also for being exclusive tournament winner cards. I would also like to add an interesting addition to the Once Per Match. Make it also that it cannot be in the Side Deck, so you really have to play with this garnet after using it.

[@azuredragoon2054]

@@adamxue6096 Victory Dragon is a banned card, but it's not a card listed as "cannot be used in a duel". The difference is that Victory Dragon can come off the ban list and be played legally.

[@tafazzi-on-discord]

Self-destruct button fix: you can only activate "self destruct button" once per match If you want to overkill: "you can't have this card in the side deck"

[@brianaguilar8283]

That card is hard to fix since its entire purpose is to cause ties. Any errata can risk completely changing how it’s supposed to work

[@Mernom]

@@brianaguilar8283 Then it should probably stay banned - Ties are not supposed to be a desirable thing.

[@gabrielt.harris8885]

That can not really be implemented, as that affects stuff beyond the current Duel.

[@tafazzi-on-discord]

@@brianaguilar8283 yes but my errata fixes everything perfectly.

[@tafazzi-on-discord]

@@gabrielt.harris8885 See Victory Dragon. The reason it's a banned card and not an illegal card is because effects can affect the match rather than the duel, but when they released victory Dragon a stun strategy was developed that consisted in stalling if you had your win condition met until you drew Victory Dragon to win the match. This caused antisportsmanship and duels dragging for a lot of time, so it's banned for that reason.

[@GuyFromCanada]

It’s interesting watching these videos from an mtg perspective and seeing how similar card effects are completely different balance-wise between games

[@DragoSmash]

Indeed, drawing cards in YGO is broken as heck, meanwhile in MTG it's just a strong effect Same applies to looking at your opponent's hand

[@paradoxzee6834]

In Pokemon there is a trainer card with the effect to discard your whole card and than draw 7 cards, that is not really considered a big deal. Meanwhile in Yugioh people jump hoops just to draw 1 or 2 cards

[@ryjelsum]

i've been on a kick watching these vids because of that. i think the other interesting thing about yu gi oh is how they do direct card errata instead of just changing how rules text is worded while keeping an effect the same. like, has there ever been a case in recent mtg where they have have straight up changed how a card plays rules-wise? and if they've done that, it definitely was never for power level reasons like errata in YGO i guess part of that is because of mtg's standard rotations, so if there's a card effect that they want to reuse that has some broken interaction, they just make another card with a fixed version of the effect (ie. oblivion ring and banishing light)

[@KTSpeedruns]

Last turn maybe just needs a clause that negates all other effects while it is being resolved so floodgates don’t work.

[@andriylos3831]

I'd like to see an ''errata'd cards'' list in the future but I think that that might be similar to banned cards.

[@tohothewriter8002]

There's already a "cards with the most erratas" list... and if you guessed Necrovalley having received the most, you'd be correct! Also, spoiler warning.

[@K1ngG1no]

@@tohothewriter8002 .... Adding a spoiler warning at the end of the comment does not help

[@tohothewriter8002]

@@K1ngG1no ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Suggesting something that was already done helps even less.

[@K1ngG1no]

@@tohothewriter8002 you know that you could have edited the comment?

[@tohothewriter8002]

@@K1ngG1no yes I do, but don't care anymore.

[@glennrugar9248]

God I love seeing marshmallon. I'll take any excuse to see that squishy little face

[@lvl5Vaporeon]

Give him those glasses for style points

[@aidanpotts4278]

My friend calls him the alien fleshlight

[@ExistentHope]

Marshmallon protected me alot when I first was learning how to play yugioh.

[@MercuryA2000]

@@aidanpotts4278 Hey, can you do me a favor? Next time you see your friend. Just, just smack them for me. Really hard.

[@MercuryA2000]

@@ExistentHope I hated it back then cause I didn't know how to kill the stupid thing.

[@bananafish3735]

I'd love a series where you explain how different engines function, showing all the cards and how theyinteract with each other, the order of operations and stufflike that.

[@maskofthedragon]

Any way of looping Time Seal could have been used to loop a better card

[@ShiningJudgment666]

Keeping it banned future proof's future broken uses it could allow for.

[@ssengageisop3952]

lol

[@wuuwuu6727]

@@ShiningJudgment666 It doesnt proof anything. Maybe they are just stupid or maybe there was a ruling problem with the card or anything like that

[@ShiningJudgment666]

@@wuuwuu6727 Well, they've banned and limited cards for being rulings nightmares before.

[@wuuwuu6727]

@@ShiningJudgment666 Y i know

[@Sokaras3]

Would "Explaining Duel Links Ban list" be possible for this series?

[@JorgeLuiz487]

would be cool half of the duel linksban list is some degenerate strategies in past

[@C20521]

the banlist there is still small, 3 cards isnt too much

[@evan-bunch-of-numbers]

There's a short explanation for why certain cards are restricted/skills buffed or nerfed already in DL, but it'd be interesting to hear his opinion

[@exodia_apophis4133]

Duel Links is for Chuds

[@mesopotamian97]

How about NO! 🙂

[@inconstantinejoojs3453]

How to fix Self destruct button: "can only be activated once per day"

[@AramesiaToken]

What if a best of three match starts at 11:55ish and the other duel starts past 00:00? 🤔

[@adoriousgravy8033]

Causes an explosion that's once per lifetime as it kills both players.

[@davidritchie3994]

lol, also you could have a duel online with people in different time zones.

[@vladimir87536]

You can only use this card once per match

[@skiffy8121]

if you activate this card a 2nd time in a match, you lose the match

[@hakimdhaou]

If "just the Potential" to be broken is a Reason to ban a Card, then half the Game would be banned🤣

[@benikujaku4567]

Not "to be broken", but more "to break the game", as in "preventing someone from playing entirely"

[@qedsoku849]

Time seal does not have the potential to be broken, it has the potential to create an unwinnable (not fun) situation. It still isn’t a good card even in that situation, but that’s not why it’s banned.

[@falscher2]

@@qedsoku849 like all FTK decks?

[@cameraredeye3115]

@@qedsoku849 So there's no longer a reason to leave it banned then. Games usually end long before Time Seal does anything impactful, anyway. It can come back.

[@aldereckhart8811]

@@qedsoku849 If being (not fun) is a reason to ban a card then 80% of the cards printed in the last 5 years should be on.

[@LunaDachi]

Something you forgot to mention about Time Seal is that your opponent will be able to draw for one draw phase before Time Seal can be activated. That means if someone is afraid of getting hand looped, then locked under time seal, that literally can’t happen. Time Seal sucks

[@brianaguilar8283]

Unless you have a way to activate it during your turn

[@LunaDachi]

@@brianaguilar8283 I mean, if you manage to somehow loop your opponent’s hand and have Time Seal with one of Boogie Trap, Temple of the Kings, or Makyura the Destructor, you kinda deserve the win.

[@giacomocervelli1945]

@@brianaguilar8283 if you wanna activate a trap (even during oppos turn) i highly doubt is gonna be time seal, i mean you could activate like summon limit, imperial order or tcboo

[@jacthing1]

Maybe I'm not getting something but couldn't you use two copies and then keep activating one then activate the other your next turn as you get the first back and set it? So you always have on in your graveyard and one on your field?

[@LunaDachi]

@@jacthing1 ???

[@DoomDuck420]

I think last turn could get an errata where you can only use it when both players have 1000 or less life points, all monster effects are negated and when a draw would happen your opponent just wins. This would make the fight caused by last turn a pure fight based on attack points

[@thepoweroftheweed2215]

13:24 If Trap Dustshoot required to tribute a monster, then I'll surely play it in my Lair of darkness deck, so that I could potentially tribute my opponent's monsters to also make him lose a card. And let's not forget that is a normal trap, so Lilith would have something else to search

[@saeiouth3133]

I think it'd be cool to see a "meta history" series of some sort. Like a set-by-set rundown of what was meta, what got banned, etc.

[@usmansiddiqui1384]

The way to fix last turn to make it work the way it should is actually really easy. Just have it negate all monster effects.

[@amethonys2798]

16:42 "that's why they don't really print spell/trap cards that prevent special summoning" *laughs in There Can Be Only One*

[@ethribin4188]

Last turn should just say something like "your opponents summons any one monster from their deck, ignoring effects that would prevent them from doing do so." And it would work fine.

[@drmajalis1583]

watching this as a primarily mtg player ( i played yugioh until link monsters became a thing, as well) is really interesting. Like, there are tons of cards that are basically trap dustshoot but better, thoughtseize, inquisiton of kozilek, duress, despise, getting to see your opponent's hand is a pretty common effect.

[@cyberend1863]

In yugioh 5ds duel transer, you're allowed to use 1 forbidden card in your deck, and I ran Last Turn in my Winged Dragon of Ra deck. Get him out and set it off and you've pretty much got the duel won.

[@laytonjr6601]

Now the hard part is the 3 tributes mandatory for summoning winged dragon of Ra, just use an extra deck monster with high attack

[@anonymouspokemon4623]

@@laytonjr6601 Exactly why Yugioh as a card game sucks. They toned down the Egyptian God cards to garbage level. They powercrept the new cards' powers to insane levels.

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

18:45 this part aged VERY well. SURE that errata fixed IO for good.

[@Kriksxx]

Easy fix, at least in my mind, for "Last Turn" would be to negate the effects of selected cards, in that way it would function in the intended manner of duking it out. And the strongest monster, attack wise, would be victorious...

[@luminous3558]

There isn't a need to fix last turn in any way. Its not searchable outside of traptrick if it were at 3 and if you do some type of elaborate combo to set last turn and then end on 1000k lp turn 1 you probably have to run a billion garnets and lose to a handtrap on normal summon.

[@duongallen4094]

It would also be necessary to negate all monsters effects on the field before choosing 1 for battle on top of negating opponent’s chosen monster. But then it would altogether still promotes degenerate playstyles in tournaments by forcing ties

[@tonberryking42]

To note about Self-Destruct Button and the OCG. While it's not banned in regular play there, it has been banned at tournaments (iirc) and definitely banned at Worlds for much longer than it's been banned in the TCG.

[@Carlet_S]

time seal is essentially softbanned in the OCG no one runs it because no one can behave themselves and just not use it to force infinite ties to be fair, that card is a mess in general, it really doesn't have any other use other than degeneracy

[@luminous3558]

The card is just useless and is only banned because nobody would ever run it anyways. There are better ways to force infinite ties if you and your opponent both want to be idiots and get DQed from the tournament than looping time seal.

[@Teixas666]

and yes peopel insist that yata can be unbanned whne its infinitely easier ot abuse in today's game.

[@NJoCaulfield]

It would be interesting to see a series covering why specific cards go in and out of favor over time in competitive play, like Solemn Strike, D. Barrier, Swords of Concealing Light, literally any Mirror Force, Cosmic Cyclone versus MST versus Twin Twisters, and so on. Just breaking down what made the cards good in the metagame, and what made them less useful at other points.

[@fernandoguillen5996]

Damn, they just unbanned Time seal

[@clericofchaos1]

Huh, i actually didn't know vanity's emptiness was banned. I still have three copies of that and 3 copies of vanity's fiend in my old monarch deck. Granted, i haven't played at a tournament in years but none of my friends have ever pointed out that it was banned.

[@brianaguilar8283]

Its been banned for years

[@clericofchaos1]

@@brianaguilar8283 well, this is my first time hearing about it.

[@vincentwilliams1308]

you have good friends lol

[@CrnaStrela]

At the very least you aren't trying to enter tournament with that deck

[@clericofchaos1]

@@CrnaStrela nah, i'm 28. At some point you have to leave children's card games to the children. Oh, i still play online against a computer but i stopped collecting ages ago.

[@t-real7088]

Back when I used to play at Yu-Gi-Oh tournaments I was put against a guy that used stall decks every time first round and when he used Last Turn against me I used Minar and the guy went crying because he thought he finally beat me after like 10 attempts. Where I played we would be paired up by age during the 1st round because people running tournaments didn't know what they were doing.

[@Ultimateddchris10]

I haven't played this game since early teens but sir you made this video more than appealing. Gj

[@joshuaatehortua7352]

The wording for Last Turn should be “this summon can’t be negated” similar to that of the 3 Egyptian God cards

[@jacobluneberg597]

still doesnt fix it, since the text says monsters cannot be special summoned, not negating it

[@qedsoku849]

A fix would be to summon them simultaneously

[@joshuaatehortua7352]

@@jacobluneberg597 so the only other option is to have the summon not be treated as a special summon/ treat it as a normal summon and/or negate all cards that prevent the summon of the monster But let’s be honest it’s best if we don’t fix that card

[@jaythephoenix]

Maybe make it only usable with main deck monsters, word it like "your opponent summons a monster, ignoring all other card effects on the field", and set their attack to their original attack?

[@xatuyou8045]

@@jaythephoenix I mean you could use something like construct to auto destroy the monster.

[@crocky6996]

Also, it'd be cool that you return the Best/Worst Cards of each Monster Type top lists, some of them like Psychic, Thunder, Aqua, etc can be very interesting.

[@peterhacke6317]

Kinda neglected the main point of vanity's emptiness. It's meant to be played after etabliging your board, before your oponent gets to etablig his, extending first turn advantages to a quite unreasonable degree. You don't really need anymore special summons, if you already got your combo of and this is preventing your oponent from toolboxing any meaningful counter from his extra deck.

[@AhmadMohammad-fh8lc]

great channel💞 i hope you talk about a decks rather than just cards

[@shekel8245]

I just find your content SO easy to listen to. Great intonation and delivery

[@foreseer4552]

He has a Wow channel that is pretty good too : )

[@ChaosUnown]

Question, speaking as someone who hasn’t been in the modern scene much: If knowing what cards your opponent has is deemed too powerful in most situations, how come something like Eye of Truth isn’t banned, which always keeps your opponents hand revealed until it’s destroyed?

[@tequilasunrise9667]

Ah, Vanity's Emptiness. The bane of my entire existence

[@MagerBlutooth]

I remember having Last Turn pulled on me while playing one of the old Yugioh video games. I didn't have a monster strong enough to take out the enemy, so I summoned D.D. Warrior. Probably the most satisfying draw I've experienced in Yugioh.

[@divinityd662]

Another thing to add to time seal: Two players can, in theory, make a match go on forever with traptrix-like cards in a mirror match.

[@blakecompton718]

It's Hiru! Holy crap! Love your whole catalog of videos, my man!

[@publickip]

Playing a Yu-Gi-Oh Progression series thing (like Cimoo & Gage) with a friend and experiencing these cards in real time has been hilarious how did they ever get printed

[@shawnli4746]

most cards released after 2005 get banned AFTER new cards interact with them to make them broken the only exception is the now-errata'd Firewall Dragon imo

[@Ms666slayer]

Also their duel with only ban cards was enough to make me realized tha Vanitty's Emptiness should stay banned.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

time to see that video series maybe

[@AxisChurchDevotee]

I don't think Komoney and the RnD team actually play their own game.

[@Ms666slayer]

@@AxisChurchDevotee They do, and they make broken card on purpose, they know that people will buy the boxes on mass just to get them or sell them, they only emergency ban stuff if they see it's goign to be detrimental to the sales of the next set, like with PEPE or even Spyral that even that it wasn't an emergency list per se they hit the deck really early because they knew people will not bay the next set because why bother, Spyral is Tier 0, Zoodiac was a different case because it could be used as an engine so people will buy the sets to experiment with builds.

[@MonJilley]

How to fix Vanity's Emptiness: "This card can only be activated at the beginning of your turn." Thus, is you want to deny your opponent special summons, you HAVE to go through a turn of it yourself. On top of that, the negative effect is actually negative for said turn, instead of an easy "deactivate this card whenever you want".

[@chaosvirus9749]

When he talked about time seal I had an image of a little purple bird in my head...

[@jamesskaine7561]

For self-destruct button, you could have it do a massive amount of effect damage to both players like 20000 since that would almost always kill someone, you could have it effect both players at the same time, but a deck could still play around it to not take the effect damage

[@kaynanbirro7277]

Yeah since he mencioned Siegfried, I will mencion another DDD card: DDD Oracle king D'ark. Her effect is litterally all effect damage heals you instead.

[@johnapple6646]

Top 10 most mentioned cards in TheDuelLogs videos

[@casey206969]

Time seal is banned because it creates a game state where your opponent can't play the game. Glad they fixed that problem.

[@Jobbaz]

Time seal is an useless card since when you activate it the draw phase is already started and your opponent has already drawn. So it works only on your opponent next draw phase. Drop off it's actually better than it because you can interact immediately towards your opponent's draw, even if there is a chance the card could activate in the GY. And drop off doesn't see any play. Edit: And appointer of the red lotus can be considered in some ways better than trap dustshoot. Against combo decks, if you are going second and your opponent is able to get rid of your board breaking cards like dark ruler no more, a kaiju, evenly match or lightning storm, you don't care if the card will be back at the end of the turn and you wouldn't get any benefit from opponent's hand knowledge since you would be more worried about what's going on on his field.

[@MJTRadio]

I feel like the spirit of Last Turn is to reduce everything to one dramatic, final showdown. In the name of errating it to serve that purpose, I feel like all effects should be negated when it's activated (think Skill Drain) and the opponent should get to pull from deck or extra deck. If the spirit is for a last man standing fight, make it the activator's monster against the strongest thing the opponent hasn't had destroyed yet, and go off attack power and nothing else. Dunno if that would get the card unbanned, again, I'm just trying to get the card to what feels like its intended purpose.

[@superbaas8822]

Prob the best fix to trap dustshoot: Activate only if both players have 4 or more cards in their hand. This makes it so it's more difficult to go all in on your first turn and then use trap dustshoot. Infact, if you go first, just setting trap dustshoot will put you at your 4 card limit if you don't generate further advantage.

[@cameraredeye3115]

Or just make it a hard once per turn...

[@brandol75]

For lust turn can errata where your selected monster didn't start from the extra deck and negate that monster's effects. Time seal can also have to only be activated during opponent's turn alongside with once per duel. Self-destruct button can have a new kind of restriction : once per match, like once per duel but instead of use the effect once on each duel, button can only be activated once during the entirety of the match. Trap dustshoot can have once per turn and the opponent chooses which monster to return. Vanity's emptiness can have restrictions to can only be activated if you control no special summoned monster and to be destroyed if any card is sent to any gy from anywhere.

[@Funloverparty]

Here's me completely murdering Last Turn. "You can only activate this card during your Opponent's Battle Phase. Target 1 Monster you Control that can be Normal Summoned/Set, negate it's effects, then send all other cards on the field and hand to the gy. Then your opponent chooses 1 Monster in their deck and special summons it ignoring summoning conditions in attack position with it's effects negated and it must attack your selected monster, then whichever player controls a a monster after the damage step(no damage is calculated for this battle) wins the duel, otherwise it's a draw."

[@megasecptile3996]

Believe it or not, that's the exact effect I was imagining. To negate the effects of the monster on your field and let your opponent pick a monster, while ignoring summoning conditions, negate IT'S effect and battle. That way no one can use the marshmallow against anyone

[@trytoo5167]

Nah better way would be treating both monsters as normal monsters so they can't activate any effects. That way it'd be a straight up brawl.

[@AxisChurchDevotee]

Pretty sure it's still busted since most main decks don't have high Atk monsters so it would be easy to cheese a win.

[@trytoo5167]

@@AxisChurchDevotee But that's pretty much the point of last turn. Who has the beefy monster.

[@ZenoDLC]

What about cards with ? ATK?

[@quetzalthegamer]

Top 10 card effects that override game mechanics. I'd like to see that covered in a video. I would nominate "Darkness Approaches", which can put a monster in face-down attack position.

[@dazzleneal]

i literally watched hours of this and I never even played the game at all.

[@jonathanschwartez1496]

'-'

[@SaintBriars]

something to note about time seal, is that it doesnt do anything until the opponent's second turn after you set it. since the first time you can activate it is during the opponent's draw phase it wont skip that one. they still get an entire turn before you can even make use of it

[@johnroberts6377]

I always found trap cards to be the most fun in the game, since they are very fun to use to counter an opponent's move, so it feels like you outplayed them. That might be just me but that is how I feel about it.

[@WhoWouldIBe]

I do think that proper usage of trap cards and knowledge of when to use them is important, but by themselves trap cards are kind of mindless, especially if they are just "pay resource to negate".

[@johnroberts6377]

@@WhoWouldIBe Yes that is true. But the ones I like are the ones like trap hole, or bottomless trap hole, or mirror force. Cards which dont work all the time but can counter you opponents strategy if timed right. It is just very satisfying in my opinion.

[@brianaguilar8283]

Trap cards get too much flack

[@LazurBeemz]

Trap cards are the hallmark of yugioh, to me. Other games let you react with cards from the hand, but in yugioh you have to lay them down first (or bluff with spells) and risk getting sniped by backrow removal. Hand traps should not be a thing, and I'm counting kuriboh. But the game has changed so much that it's too late to complain now, I just think the fact that nobody plays traps anymore unless they're omni-negates that can be played like hand traps is a sign that the game isn't operating as intended.

[@ExistentHope]

@@LazurBeemz it cause the magic and monster cards got too powerful

[@consoleman94]

Trap Dustshoot (errata) Activate only if both you and your opponent have each 4 or more cards in your hands. Look at your opponent's hand, then choose 1 Monster Card from their hand and shuffle it into the deck. You can only activate 1 "Trap Dustshoot" per turn. There you go, the classic errata into uselessness.

[@zebra8lion]

I think explanations of archetypes would be cool. Not ratings it which cards were used away from the deck, but detailing what the intended goal is the archetype is.

[@drago99jf]

I could see last turn being errata'd to where it adds "monsters summoned by this effect have its effects negated"

[@UltimateRareBingler]

Just run a really high attack monster as a garnet

[@aroperdope]

Story time with the Duel Logs...

[@btf_flotsam478]

Even with the change you describe, Last Turn can still be cheesed by use of Sangan (summons a monster upon destruction). Removing all monster effects would be a better fix.

[@pietrobrattico9272]

Cards that you can activate only if you have 1000 Lp or less.

[@waihochow4635]

I think Last Turn can be brought back if they errata it to negate all monster effects too so it actually is a final battle between monsters. The main issue with last turn is the fact monster effects were still in play.

[@skullzfc]

Time Seal can come back to three because it's too slow. No one is coming to a tournament with Time Seal turbo.

[@Teixas666]

time seal is banned not due ot its power, but due ot this abuse and the rulnig mess it creates by skipping the Draw Phase. legal time steal = limited design space on effects that trigger in the draw phase+having ot dance around a gamestate where its abusive.

[@TheMightofDab]

@@Teixas666 also its just not a healthy card. Same with Yata. They probably won't be very "good", but they absolutely would be degenerate.

[@lorddracon8992]

I feel like Last Turn could easily be unbanned with an errata that negated all effects that don't affect ATK for the turn and that your opponent's summon ignores summoning conditions

[@azuredragoon2054]

How to fix Last Turn: - Word it so that the card from the opponent's deck is simply played, not summoned (and ignoring any summoning conditions by proxy) - (Edited) Negate all other card effects during this card's resolution and for the remainder of the turn. This negation overrides all other card effects without exception. Either would bypass the summon lock from Last Turn's effect. And negating card effects would help prevent a lot of the potential draw situations as a result of using a monster that can't be destroyed by battle. Since the card effect itself declares the win state during resolution, most other card effects aren't going to be a huge difference in that battle. EDIT: I had to change the effect negation due to how many cards could just be used from the GY now, and attempting to future-proof the effect. It will not only stop continuous effects like protection from cheesing the battle, it would also stop Main Phase 2 problems like using a GY effect to pull up another card capable of destroying the lone monster and otherwise changing the outcome of Last Turn's lingering effect.

[@kikaioshin6700]

It would still be a problem card because most decks nowdays don't run monsters with high ATK values in their main deck but instead low ATK combo pieces, so even if you place something as basic as a Blue-eyes on your field and activate Last Turn odds are very low that your opponent will have anything with more than 3000 ATK that they can summon from their deck. The problem with Last Turn is not just all the ways it can exploited, but more importantly the fact that it is 1 card who alone decides the duel as soon as it is played, and these kind of cards are not easy to balance, they are either worthless or broken. Honestly what i would change on Last Turn to "fix" it (because honestly I think it would probably still be at least limited) would be removing the instant win condition from it, that way while the player who has a monster would still gain a huge advantage after basically nuking the opponent's hand and field it would still give the player who has no monsters some chance to turn the game around after Last Turn resolves, especially considering his opponent has absurdly low Life Points and got rid of most of his resources, that would at least turn it from a "Certain to win card" into a "Very likely to win card".

[@Ramsey276one]

Errata is not that hard, and they’re already doing it SO GET TO IT

[@azuredragoon2054]

@@kikaioshin6700 The problem is that your solution would require a renaming of the card. If it didn't come with an instant win, it's not really "Last Turn", now is it? Regarding the issue of main deck monsters not being strong enough? That's more an issue with the meta and how most of the recent cards have been printed. I want you to also keep in mind that it gives some decks an interesting edge over other decks that don't rely so heavily on extra deck monsters.

[@noukan42]

@@kikaioshin6700 first, this can be easily solved by simply including the extra deck among the places something can be played. Second, it is not like siding Malefic Cyber End dragon is going to murder the consistency of any deck.

[@ALEXANDER6888]

Not having strong monsters in their deck is not a problem with the card. It's the opponent's choice. You cannot blame the card if the opponent only has ~200ATK monsters in their deck. That'd be a great errata: No card effects can be activated, also negate all card effects on the field. As simple as that! No need to include extra deck.

[@thesemipro822]

The easy way to errata Last Turn: make it so the two battling monsters effects are negated. So your opponent can special summon, and neither can cheese with cards that can't be destroyed by battle

[@JarodMaster15]

A decent errata or added cost for Vanity’s Emptiness would be “You must control no special summoned monsters in order to activate and resolve this card.” You can also make it to where both players can destroy the card by activating a upstart goblin or terraforming to destroy the trap. Just an idea to throw around seeing how special summoning and combo decks have become triumphant so would love to see this card make a healthy return.

[@Zero-eo8pq]

Correct. The larger problem with Emptiness (and some other banned traps) is that they are traps. Meaning you, by the rules of the game, spend you're entire turn not playing under them.

[@Shunpon77]

Fix for last turn Make it remove all cards that are not normal monsters and your opponent summons a normal monster.

[@TheWatchmanOfTheEnd]

Yes, the infamous time seal loop that almost no one ever used even when the game was slow enough to warrant it. Time seal is a bad card, inherently. Takes 2 turns for a MAYBE positive situation assuming the current state of the metagame doesn't result in a 5+ monster board with 10 million negates and a replenished 5 card hand on top of it. Card is a joke in modern yugioh and would be fine at 3 just like the slightly better Yata Garasu, who is in spite being better than Time Seal, still total trash

[@maskofthedragon]

It's might be the worst card on the list It can't cheat anything out, it doesn't search or summon, it doesn't cause loops, it can't do silly shit like SDB and it barely even says NO

[@shadowdraqon2479]

Time seal and yata couldve been unbanned in 2012. Who would even play them? Could just play the better version(wind up handloop) to get rid of the opponents entire hand

[@OseiTheWarriors]

Timeseal definitely needs to come off just like Tribe Infecting Virus did before. A modern deck can 2 turn consistently and it's a dead card most of the time

[@EinDose]

Both Timeseal and Yata are probably banned more out of principle than anything. No, they're not strong, but they're also not cards Konami want in the game.

[@luminous3558]

@@EinDose Drop off has literally been a better timeseal for most of yugiohs existence. You set it and then your opponent discards their draw as opposed to setting time seal and activating it during the opponents turn so that their turn after your next turn gets no draw. Outside of graveyard set up which wasn't that relevant for many decks in pre pendulum era yugioh drop off always beats time seal and nobody ever played that card either. Yatagarasu is literally a worse borrelsword because borrelsword ends the game right there with no regard to the opponents hand, field or graveyard resources and isn't a non specialsummonable main deck monster. There are effects in the game that are way more powerful than skipping a draw and if you want to specifically handloop and skip a draw there is always omega who is an extra deck monster that works turn 1.

[@morriganpandora3787]

The question of if a card can be unbanned is an interesting one. It depends on how you want to shape the meta of Yugioh ultimately. I think effects like Trap Dustshoot would be integral to slowing down the meta of Yugioh, being able to force the opponent to discard key cards is what keeps combo decks under control in other games like MtG or Hearthstone. Reducing the consistency of decks through effects like these forces the players to value resource management more in the deckbuilding phase because they need to account for discard effects and devise alternative plans. Maybe Trap Dustshoot isn't the perfect card to embody that idea but it's a fun thought experiment to imagine what would be needed to reign in the explosive early game plays of the current meta and metas of the few previous years

[@luminous3558]

The issue with dustshoot is that it is a card for combo decks to hit your kaiju or sphere mode out of your hand. Trap cards do nothing against combo decks since they generally dont work turn 1 and post turn 1 you are staring down the negate board that just says no to your trap card. Most decks also just won't run cards like dustshoot since it reduces consistency in actually making a play turn 1. If you want to stop explosive plays then just put maxx C back to 3 and see how many people want to play through their opponent drawing 20 cards to break their board next turn. Its basically the main difference between tcg and ocg meta. TCG is dominated by combo while ocg is almost exclusively control decks that rely on consistent 1 card engines that slowly grind your opponent out without ever overextending into maxx C.

[@zeonzexion8592]

Cards that allows the players to summon their entire deck on first turn: Konami: -That's cool! They keep the flow of the meta game and keep it interesting! Vanity's Emptiness exists: Konami: Oh no! We have to ban this monstrosity! Without special summons there's no meta game and no profit of selling cards!!

[@zeonzexion8592]

@The Asterisks That's True!! XD Clearly Konami likes it since they keep printing combo archetypes and extenders. Also the banlist is solely for competitive play.

[@zeonzexion8592]

Not allowing cards that negates Special Summons easily means that players must seek playing solitare and lock your opponent out of the game, because the game are all about turn 1. I'd like that we have more fun interacting with the opponent over more turns, instead seeking winning by summoning the entire deck on first turn. Konami could please both players that enjoy a slower format and those who like a faster meta. Where's the problem in wanting something different? Just make it two official playstyles, like magic with standard and commander. Call it "Master Duels" and "King (of games) Duels" for example, and everyone can be happy.

[@RinaShinomiyaVal]

@@zeonzexion8592 You realize Vanitys got banned BECAUSE of combo decks using it? Combo players would make their 3 negate/disruption board then flip up Vanitys on their opponents turn.

[@Brazz27]

I dont play the game at all but still can anticipate what youre about to say about most cards, I probably enjoy too much the content 😅

[@crh1985]

Errota Last Turn to add, “Tell the end of the duel all effect’s of effect monsters effects are Negated” (it is ending after this card effect ends)

[@weberman173]

im kinda happy that DDD got mentioned even if just as an example how to negate a banned card to make it more broken, especialy as i used Siegfrid in some similiar fashions to get rid of negative effects on Cards that i just dont use during my turn but have to stick around to work DDD gets mentioned far to rarely sadly do to its unfortunate release window back in the day

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

9:50 that just makes me think the TCG players are bigger trolls than OCG Players. or maybe it is the difference between time periods

[@jofx4051]

They even banned Kaiser Colloseum for NO reason

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

@@jofx4051 yep. TCG is the embodiment of "This is why we can't have good things! Because You (TCG Players) don't know the meaning of sportsmanship or restrain!"

[@jofx4051]

@@ianr.navahuber2195 I think TCG is best for abusing cards lol

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

@@jofx4051 that means TCG is full of people that like to break any card they can get their hands for the wrost type of strategies (as in, don't even let the opponent play) but then they basically have a Homer Simpson-like reaction: "I Have come to hate my own creation (their disgusting decks). No I know how god feels"and then they beg Konami to ban the monsters they unleashed into the format.

[@luminous3558]

@@ianr.navahuber2195 Ah yes because players need to restrain themselves from abusing badly designed gamepieces and its totally not the fault of the designers for printing degenerate garbage that has no future proofing. FTKs and other BS is often the best way to win and thats what players should strive for in a tournament, nobody brings their earthbound immortal deck to a YCS instead of running Virtual world(or danger dark world FTK when that was legal). Often times konami bans cards that never see play here because they are scared of abuse when in fact that combo is way too inconsistent to see success over the meta decks.

[@gh_blaze7096]

Last Turn errata- negate the effects of monsters summoned by this card's effect and on the field the turn this card was activated. Time Seal- banish this card activate effect Self Destruct Button- keep banned(historical purpose) Trap Dustshoot- keep banned(appointer of red lotus already exists) Vanity's- errata when a card you control leaves the field destroy this card. This cards effect lasts until the end of the turn it was destroyed.

[@Tricky_T_Raptor]

Easy fix for Last Turn to make it able to be unbanned: Have it negate the effect of the monster you chose

[@cameraredeye3115]

That would make it MORE broken, are you stupid?

[@ShiningJudgment666]

Negate the effects of every monster and other cards can't be activated for the rest of the turn. I don't see it really making it outright broken. The only issue would be that it could completely invalidate decks that don't rely on sky high ATK stats (3000 being the benchmark for most boss monsters).

[@ramaradithya8049]

@@ShiningJudgment666 if its negate the effect right away you can summon every monster on your deck without any limitation whatsoever you can even summon the highest atk monster without any restriction but if the card negate the effecr while its on the field its a whole another story

[@ShiningJudgment666]

@@ramaradithya8049 Read what I said again. It would negate the effects of all monsters as well as put a total ban on activating other cards and effects for the rest of the turn. That means from anywhere. Hand, field, grave, banish zone, etc. Nomis and Semi-Nomis can't be summoned from the deck outside of their summoning conditions by the way too so they don't get around it. Only the 2 monsters do battle with their ATK points. The only way to tie the duel would be if both monsters had the same ATK points. I believe that's the intended way Last Turn was supposed to work anyway. Not that summon spam or Jowgen/Fossil Dyna/etc cheese that got it banned in the first place.

[@ramaradithya8049]

@@ShiningJudgment666 yess that means it negated straight away you can ignore the summoning restriction of a monster because its negated you can just find the biggest boss monster even tho its hard to summon and negate the restriction on it and boom big body beatstick vs ur opponect ace boss monster with their effect negated that card alone is unfair so keeping it in the banlist is reasonable and even if it release off the banlist is it going to be fun to play if you have the upperhand of the duel and the ur opponent proc the effect and then lose ? Single card win is one of the most shittiest way to lose at least in my perspective

[@semnome7190]

I use Self-Destruction Button in Tag Force 1 because I don't want to lose or defeat the top 2 duelists of duel academy (Zane and Jaden), never thought that people could go so low to purposely draw a duel so many times until they can finally win

[@amberhernandez]

Me seeing Last Turn: "Oh yeah, you could do that thing with Winged Dragon of Ra so you have 100 LP left and then your opponent would attack into it which would be cool" Yu-Gi-Oh players: "Just don't let them Special Summon lol" :(

[@11wildy63]

Yugioh would be so much more fun if everyone thought like this! We'd see crazy fun strategies

[@questrequested9171]

maybe a good way to fix Last turn is to negate the effects of both the monsters that are used in this "last turn" that way Jowgen cheese wouldnt work, Marshmallon wouldnt make it like selfdestruct button, etc... they just become two beatsticks

[@TheMightofDab]

Time Seal has to be the worst banned trap card. No reason for it to be banned really

[@jofx4051]

Same with some other banned card such as Yata Garasu and Self Destruct Button

[@luminous3558]

@@jofx4051 Self destruct button is banned because it is scummy in tournaments. If you repeatedly force draws it messes with procedures and its just generally unsportsmanlike. Its a fun card that is banned so nobody does annoying things with it, similar how dueling network banned convulsion of nature because its a disruptive card to general gameplay.

[@noahtackett6264]

@@luminous3558 damn I remember the old days of Dueling Network, I was a young boy learning how to play on there

[@noahtackett6264]

I mean trap dustshoot is better but not by much, it's bad and I'd rather just play appointer of the red lotus

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

@@luminous3558 from what I've been able to gather, Convulsion of Nature is banned because that simulator is terrible and requires you to manually do everything, and the only way to manually flip the decks takes forever. If they simply coded it properly it wouldn't be an issue (simply take the data of the card stack and invert the order, and flip every single card afterwards)

[@masterdarklink1]

I'd say a way to balance trap dustshoot is to make it so you have to do the same thing, so you have to have 4 or more cards in hand as well, reveal your hand and your opponent gets to pick a monster to send back to your deck as well. That would balance it so that both players have knowledge of their opponents cards, and as a trap card activated on your opponents turn, they would be in a better position to play around any negates you might have in your hand.

[@foxeye245]

I think they changed time seal so that it removed itself from play facedown, that would solve the problem the best. That way you could use it once per card with no way of looping.

[@cameraredeye3115]

No need. Just bring it back to 1, then 2 or 3 if it doesn't do anything. Don't errata it as it's already borderline useless.

[@xxmegagallade47]

Note that your opponent doesn’t actually skip their draw phase if you set it on the first turn since you would only be able to activate it during the draw phase that is already occurring Time seal sucks

[@TheAz0680]

Suggestion to fix last turn: keep the activation requirement but chsnge the effect to "both players send all cards in their hand and field, then your opponent special summons a monster from their deck but its effects are negated, if he/she does summon a monster, you summon a monster from your deck but its effects are negated". After that, continue with the original effect

[@johannesl.7248]

4:10 just make it so that the effects of the targeted monster is negated

[@Epsilon514]

Except that only works for monsters on the field...what happens if the monsters activates an effect in the graveyard that destroys the other monster on field and conduct a special summon again....then what happens??

[@DJ-tx3ux]

Not all. Make both monsters have their effects negated, no card or effects can be activated when Last Stand is activated (like Number S39) then it's done.

[@brianaguilar8283]

That also works.

[@DeathAlchemist]

As a suggestion, you could compare banned cards to the errata version to see if they were overly nerfed.

[@equesdominus9869]

Can you do a top insect type monsters?

[@davidburke4101]

How to fix last turn - The text is changed from special summoning a monster to "the opponent adds one monster from their deck to their hand and if they do, normal summon it ignoring it's summoning conditions. It is treated as being summoned in a way that preserves it's effects" (Example; If it needs to be summoned by a gladiator beast to do an effect it is treated as such). - Cards in your graveyard cannot be activated. - You must select a main deck monster - Instead of causing draws, the player who activates this card always loses if their monster does not win the battle. These four clauses should make last turn a not broken option.

[@goldwalker5652]

Time seal could easily come back to three the card is just garbage

[@hotmud9703]

I feel like on last turn, a special effect of "negate all effects on the field while this card is face up, except for this card" would maybe _help_ fix it

[@bhmayhem]

Last turn fix; Negate your/all monsters effect this turn. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@xxmegagallade47]

If cards are unaffected by card effects they can’t be negated

[@bhmayhem]

@@xxmegagallade47 this solves the problem with proventing special summons and battle immunity. Name a card that does either of those things and are unaffected by card effects. Wait, Forbidden Lance, goddammit

[@iara0]

Last Turn Fix: This card can only be activated during your opponent's turn, if you would lose the Duel. No cards and effects can activate during the resolution of this card effect, and all monster and card effects on the field are negated, ignoring any effect(s) preventing so. Remove all cards from the field and, after that, Special Summon 5 monsters from your Deck, with different names. After that, your opponent selects and Special Summons 5 monsters from their in Face-up Attack Position and each player chooses randomly one monster: The opponent's chosen monster attacks your chosen monster and, if your monster destroys the attacking monster, you win the Duel. Any other case results in a DRAW.

[@karsten69]

Time seal could be unbanned if they added, *"This card is removed from play once it's effect has been resolved"* There are only three cards that allow trap cards to be returned, Infernoid Tierra, Psy Lord Omega and Paleozoic Leanchoilia

[@luminous3558]

Timeseal can just be unbanned, the card takes 4 turns to take effect and requires you to handloop your opponent. You literally mentioned a better time seal in the form of omega already.

[@spirolman00]

I would love to see a video talking about historical meta decks. (lightsworn, dragon rulers, dark magician decks, ect.)

[@rul3three632]

Can you do an “Explaining why gimmick decks can’t be competitive” series

[@reidmoore8754]

Last Turn could maybe be like "A Wild Monster Appears" Where your opponent gets to summon with out any restrictions and it can ignore effects that stop special summons. Or you could go with Negate all card effects on the field before your opponent needs to summon so can't be destroyed by battle monsters and anti-summon cards can't be cheesed.