Explaining how Dragunov went from Low Tier in Tekken 7 to GAWD Tier in Tekken 8

[@sixonesix3915]

This was a good video idea, if you plan to continue this series I'll be looking forward to it :)

[@mwkan772]

yes I will do more^^

[@nixuniverse5240]

Dragunov got power crept to hell in Tekken 7. I remember everyone was upset about his d2 being too strong in the early stages of Tekken 7, but by the end of that games meta, with Kuni, fully optimized Akuma, post nerf Leroy, post Fahkumram, Marduk’s Rage Drive, etc. a strong d2 was the least of your problems. He never got anything of use in either of the patches, or when they gave characters new moves.

[@mwkan772]

so true

[@BigLeafyTree]

This was an excellent breakdown, thank you

[@mwkan772]

Glad you enjoyed it^^

[@michaelpacheco6549]

Anyone else think that his damage is fine if this game didn’t have homing throws? His attacks are either unsafe, steppable, or both. Plus the fact that ofc his damage is higher in this game given the resources and the fact that you can bound at the wall. EVERYONE in t8 does more damage.

[@eckysgaming]

The wall damage is the real problem. Someone like Lars who was considered to have great wall damage now can't even compare to Dragunov. They need to reduce that wr4 damage down a bit We're talking about a character who can almost kill you with 2 wall splat. If he hit you with b43 twice at the wall you only have 4 hp left While Lars even with 2 wall splat he still need another 2 mixup to kill since he can only get like 65-75 per wall splat (and he have great wall damage btw)

[@michaelpacheco6549]

@@eckysgaming but that’s the whole point of his character. He gets a unique wall combo only for it to do no damage? Makes no sense. Better to fix his neutral issues like homing throws and oppressive qcf4 cheese and leave his uniqueness alone. In this way he has less neutral bs which makes his damage more risk. His high damage stuff still requires execution and timing bc his big damage launchers legit are launch punishable and sneak still has a skill gap for cancels. Jin can match his damage with 100+ damage with a simple qcf1 combo off of zen crouch cancel into 1 step ez electric mix. Much less execution and timing required but can match the damage. And also better neutral with his f4 parry and d2 which is legit better than all three of drags lows atm.

[@RazorIsEpic]

​@@eckysgaming other people also have way better wall combos than Dragunov. Atleast 5 to 7 characters.

[@hatto]

I think its more of the fact that he has BOTH wall travel and wall damage. I think you should only have one like lars. But then again, lee also has both travel and damage.

[@hatto]

I think its more of the fact that he has BOTH wall travel and wall damage. I think you should only have one like lars. But then again, lee also has both travel and damage.

[@vladislavvladislav2908]

Drag mains eating good in t8

[@mwkan772]

true

[@stephencurry8078]

Можете сказать что на счёт сложности Брайана в Т8? Многие люди говорят что им сложно добраться до высоких рангов (для обычных людей, не учитываем Knee, Lowhigh и тд). В чем его сложность? проблемы и недостатки которые мешают людям добраться на Брайане до высоких рангов? Сейчас многие люди бросают Брайана и переходят на других персонажей. В том числе мне тоже сложно на нем подниматься по рангу

[@hoagieland3716]

I don’t mind Dragunov being a strong character in Tekken 8, but he definitely needs a few more nerfs. I’d say, all of his tackle throws need to do 5 less damage, the hitbox on b4 shouldn’t hit grounded, and more of his moves need to be weaker to side step and/or more punishable on block. When I was playing Dragunov, I’d be able to get like 100 damage from a simple setup. uf1+2 command throw into b4,2 (b4 being guaranteed). If they tried to getup, they were backturned and b4,2 would connect and I transition into tackle (unbreakable in heat) and if they don’t guess right, they eat the 45 damage 1+2 option. If they stayed on the ground, I just get b4 and whiff the 2 but can’t be punished for it. Even more deadly after you’ve basically been mashing plus frames with b1+2, WR2, and hatchet (on hit) and your opponent tries to resort to power crushes which mean your throws are now unbreakable. Character is too easy how insane the reward is and that’s even outside of the insanely high damage combos he has

[@ex1us]

What setups does dragunov have? Please tell me

[@hoagieland3716]

⁠@@ex1usYou don’t really even need setups. You can basically win by just running at your opponent and doing either WR2, b1+2, db3+4, d2, jab, and throws and just 50-50 your opponents to death since everything on block is plus except the lows. After any plus move on block, you can always try b4,2 tackle for a mixup, but they can jab you after the 2 on block to avoid the tackle. If anything counter hits, you either get a grounded hit (CH db3+4 and b1+2) or you get a full launch (WR2). In the event you ever get a launcher, basically just try to get to the wall without using the tornado so you can do wall throw into the wall combo showed off in the video. But TLDR, just mash plus frames into quick poke and occasionally mix in throws. Took me only 2 days to go from beginner to red ranks, but I haven’t been playing him much recently (my goal is to try and get every character to red ranks minimum)

[@HKExzy]

Excelent breakdown. His mids now work which is excelent but ive seen instances where he still getting mid crushed, not as bad as 7 but still present. I guess some things never change lol. Thats why I think b4 hitting ground is perfect as it is, his only mids that can deal with mid crushing like lings aop. Throw system change is a blessing to Drag but I think it need to be toned down overrall.

[@haris5040]

Quality content! Keep it up man

[@Garyee__]

Insane thumbnail

[@leorevolo7966]

man went from devious to mischievous

[@damaito1829]

Its cause he says sssshuuuhhh

[@bigbangbot-SuperSqank]

It’s funny to think that in Tekken 7’s early days, Drag was considered one of the best characters but now, he’s 10 times stronger in 8.

[@foreveruseless1292]

Drag is a damage beast in this game

[@mr.s3380]

So what I'm getting from here is it's basically season 1 of T7 dragunov before they nerfed him but more better than that iteration

[@MJfp6lx]

😂 I remember JDCR being unable to win any tournament after Dragunov nerfs. Xiaoyu oki got nerfed because of Akuma. Both were d tier. In T8 they're getting some compensation 😂😂

[@mwkan772]

I'm sure jdcr will be back in form in t8

[@MJfp6lx]

@@mwkan772 bro you Ryuk Leonidas devilster and dreadprince should go to big tournaments like evo or TWT. Hope you get there soon.

[@HELLRAISER02]

Ok i never bothered seeing why people said dragunov OP, now i see but i didnt know they gave him an easy hatchet kick cuz the green ranks didnt use it on me Also how do blue spark run moves work? Do i gotta do an oldschool instant run input or do i press the last forward on the same frame as the attack button?

[@hoagieland3716]

The easiest way is to do forward and then double tap forward and press 2. Iirc you have 8 frames to do the second two forward inputs and the 2 input. I don’t remember if the last forward and the 2 need to be on the same frame or not tho

[@HELLRAISER02]

@@hoagieland3716 daaaang, i can do elecs, OTGF and blue spark giant swing, but blue spark running moves just really hard, didnt even know drag got that,tho i think its cool

[@M1ROHPLAY]

@@HELLRAISER02only drag have it

[@HELLRAISER02]

@@M1ROHPLAY well king does too with blue spark run grab

[@showtimefu1234]

Do steve from high tier to f tier

[@sybreed9121]

that tornado thing is busted feel liked reset setup for combo

[@ragexage]

Never learn to play Drag in T7. I got interested in him because he has some new moves with some cool combos in T8 😅.

[@mwkan772]

haha yes..he's way cooler in t8 than he was in t7

[@Aerlioz]

I dreamed i abused CD4 at the wall with dragunov. What’s wrong with me???

[@nothisissquidward633]

His other strings also recieved sneak transition which made his combo route and wall carry ridicolous As a Dragunov main i understand the hate lol

[@Anashere_Narrnda]

now do a video on how they killed Kazuya in T8 from the cnt

[@xenobroly0062]

Listen the new stuff/moves he has in T8 and heat cancels made Dragunov toxic and I’m here for it. I don’t ever complain against him because his combos are wonderful to see pulled offn

[@mwkan772]

he's a bit too oppressive..he needs to be toned down just a bit not more..

[@ommohammad5507]

tthis might be a hot take but i feel like drag mixup game in t7 is better then t8 imagine if he had all those faints in t8 😂

[@yeserece3622]

dont let harada see this, or he will nerf dragunov until perish like t7

[@mwkan772]

but he won't nerf him like 5.0 fahk...don't worry xD

[@belvet2324]

JDCR : Too weak character 😂

[@mwkan772]

xD

[@fancyhermit7]

Dragunov got his much needed buffs on his damage output and he has a proper wall combo

[@jhalparo3827]

still not Tier 0, since he have no great CH option. Plus what you gonna do after d2? Maybe new lows and approach are better, but the option is same if you know how to deal with Dragu.

[@jhalparo3827]

But, i'm agree his combo damage shoulda be nerfed. Top 1 consistent damage.

[@jhalparo3827]

Not tier 0, but Tier 1. It's the same thing even with new lows😂 Don't respect Dragu's low a lot. He have less trackking moves. IK his movement is insane, but c'mon, after new low what you gonna do if opponent keep spamming WS4? Side step? Then they will do trackking one. Plus frame? Maybe the great option is df1 since it's counterhit confirm. But other than that? still got nothing. Maybe decent poking after land IWR and others.

[@muhammadihsan4896]

That df1 followup ch launcher is nuts. Nobody should wield that power except steve

[@ametozukumazu6073]

1,2,1; 4,3; df1,4; b4,2,1; WR2; d1. What is great CH option to you? TOD from Magic 4? After d2 if opponent loves to disrespect: backdash or SS whiff punish. If blocks: FC1,4 or ws4 or grab mix. If backdashes(vs Lili, Shaheen and etc.): reset the neutral or WR2

[@jhalparo3827]

@@ametozukumazu6073 Backdash / sidestep mean you stop being aggresive and hope opponent mash button. So it's like a pause. You know what i mean right? Unless you're auto piloting SS into df2 or backdash into d2 again.

[@LesserCheshire]

Now do Zafina XD

[@MrPuffells]

1 astaghfirullah for dragonov 😐👇

[@Grace-Zed]

What? 🤣

[@GEORGIOSMGEORGIADIS4]

Disgusting 😅

[@alonecat9903]

I know how... Steroids

[@mwkan772]

haha

[@premiumr98]

they should honestly remove hatchet and b43 full launch with heat, seems too good to me

[@crazy911wman]

b43 in heat is fine but hitbox is bullshit

[@mwkan772]

true

[@ametozukumazu6073]

i14 heat dash combos should've been exculsively on characters without i15 launchers(like Raven). Why Victor's f4,1 can't launch, it's the same move as Drag's but slower and mid, mid version is riskier or Leroy's 1+2 though better punish but his neutral is non existent compared to Drag.