Explaining why sunnah is needed! Refutation against Quranists! Shamsi and Visitor Speakers Corner

[@khaldancarlos9859]

this guy thought he is clever but he came to the master Shamsi

[@rabahben-k9v]

How can you pray if you don't follow the prophet Muhammad 'Peace be upon him'?

[@NaveedKhan-tp3rh]

Exactly 💯 not Muslim.

[@amjidali588]

@@fzee3084 you are a fool

[@the3lusive]

​@@fzee3084 can you explain how you become a Muslim?

[@ams6535]

He thought he smart but got demolished

[@DiasWibowo]

The questioner debater ‎سبحان الله , thank you brother Shamsi for the knowledge جزاهم الله خيرا

[@u.2b215]

This Hassan guy is not sincere in the slightest. There's a good chance that he's a Quranist but he didn't seem to deem it fruitful to come out as such when Shamsi was clear about them being non-Muslims.

[@itsahmed450]

This guy is all over the place, he just asks question after question and doesn't seem to listen to the response.

[@atraonlycowardsmuteme3285]

(The Best of Al-Hadith) AlQuran; Al-Furqan 25:30 وَقَالَ ٱلرَّسُولُ يَٰرَبِّ إِنَّ قَوْمِى ٱتَّخَذُوا۟ هَٰذَا ٱلْقُرْءَانَ مَهْجُورًا And the Messenger has said, "O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this Quran as [a thing] abandoned." Ash-Shura 42:10 وَمَا ٱخْتَلَفْتُمْ فِيهِ مِن شَىْءٍ فَحُكْمُهُۥٓ إِلَى ٱللَّهِۚ ذَٰلِكُمُ ٱللَّهُ رَبِّى عَلَيْهِ تَوَكَّلْتُ وَإِلَيْهِ أُنِيبُ And in anything over which you disagree - its ruling is [to be referred] to Allah. [Say], "That is Allah, my Lord; upon Him I have relied, and to Him I turn back." Fussilat 41:6 قُلْ إِنَّمَآ أَنَا۠ بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُكُمْ يُوحَىٰٓ إِلَىَّ أَنَّمَآ إِلَٰهُكُمْ إِلَٰهٌ وَٰحِدٌ فَٱسْتَقِيمُوٓا۟ إِلَيْهِ وَٱسْتَغْفِرُوهُۗ وَوَيْلٌ لِّلْمُشْرِكِينَ Say, [O Muhammad], "I am only a man like you to whom it has been revealed that your god is but one God; so take a straight course to Him and seek His forgiveness." And woe to those who associate others with Allah Yunus 10:15 وَإِذَا تُتْلَىٰ عَلَيْهِمْ ءَايَاتُنَا بَيِّنَٰتٍۙ قَالَ ٱلَّذِينَ لَا يَرْجُونَ لِقَآءَنَا ٱئْتِ بِقُرْءَانٍ غَيْرِ هَٰذَآ أَوْ بَدِّلْهُۚ قُلْ مَا يَكُونُ لِىٓ أَنْ أُبَدِّلَهُۥ مِن تِلْقَآئِ نَفْسِىٓۖ إِنْ أَتَّبِعُ إِلَّا مَا يُوحَىٰٓ إِلَىَّۖ إِنِّىٓ أَخَافُ إِنْ عَصَيْتُ رَبِّى عَذَابَ يَوْمٍ عَظِيمٍ And when Our verses are recited to them as clear evidences, those who do not expect the meeting with Us say, "Bring us a Quran other than this or change it." Say, [O Muhammad], "It is not for me to change it on my own accord. I only follow what is revealed to me. Indeed I fear, if I should disobey my Lord, the punishment of a tremendous Day." Al-Jasiyah 45:6 تِلْكَ ءَايَٰتُ ٱللَّهِ نَتْلُوهَا عَلَيْكَ بِٱلْحَقِّۖ فَبِأَىِّ حَدِيثٍۭ بَعْدَ ٱللَّهِ وَءَايَٰتِهِۦ يُؤْمِنُونَ These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement after Allah and His verses will they believe? Al-A'raf 7:3 ٱتَّبِعُوا۟ مَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكُم مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ وَلَا تَتَّبِعُوا۟ مِن دُونِهِۦٓ أَوْلِيَآءَۗ قَلِيلًا مَّا تَذَكَّرُونَ Follow, [O mankind], what has been revealed to you from your Lord and do not follow other than Him any allies. Little do you remember. Al-Isra' 17:46 وَجَعَلْنَا عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ أَكِنَّةً أَن يَفْقَهُوهُ وَفِىٓ ءَاذَانِهِمْ وَقْرًاۚ وَإِذَا ذَكَرْتَ رَبَّكَ فِى ٱلْقُرْءَانِ وَحْدَهُۥ وَلَّوْا۟ عَلَىٰٓ أَدْبَٰرِهِمْ نُفُورًا And We have placed over their hearts coverings, lest they understand it, and in their ears deafness. And when you mention your Lord alone in the Quran, they turn back in aversion. Az-Zumar 39:45 وَإِذَا ذُكِرَ ٱللَّهُ وَحْدَهُ ٱشْمَأَزَّتْ قُلُوبُ ٱلَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِٱلْءَاخِرَةِۖ وَإِذَا ذُكِرَ ٱلَّذِينَ مِن دُونِهِۦٓ إِذَا هُمْ يَسْتَبْشِرُونَ And when Allah is mentioned alone, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter shrink with aversion, but when those [worshipped] other than Him are mentioned, immediately they rejoice. Al-Kahf 18:54 وَلَقَدْ صَرَّفْنَا فِى هَٰذَا ٱلْقُرْءَانِ لِلنَّاسِ مِن كُلِّ مَثَلٍۚ وَكَانَ ٱلْإِنسَٰنُ أَكْثَرَ شَىْءٍ جَدَلًا And We have certainly diversified in this Quran for the people from every [kind of] example; but man has ever been, most of anything, [prone to] dispute.

[@kamarured7692]

This guy is boiling my blood with how he keeps dodging every question

[@aizatzakaria1767]

he contradicts himself every few seconds. that's what following your desire does to you. alhamdulillah for islam

[@MarleyMan8]

Mate. what do you expect hassan? you refused to clarify your stance and you came to speakers corner talking about quranist. Everyone was thinking the same as shamsi.

[@aharaw007rawat3]

Shamsi is the real deal ...no nonsense ....SALUTE

[@MohamedShou]

The brother just wanted a pointless discussion/debate I don’t know if he is Muslim or not but may Allah guide him. His view about “everyone should come together and forget their differing” is literally a socialist and secular/humanist view. May Allah guide us all

[@abuhudaifah_0]

Ibn Taymiyyah (rahimullaah) on Sunnah: The Sunnah was revealed just like the Quran Ibn Taymiyyah Rahimahullah reported: Hassan ibn Atiyyah said, “Gabriel would reveal the Sunnah to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and he would practice it just as he would practice the Quran.” (Source: Majmu’ Al-Fatawa 1/40) قال ابن تيمية قَالَ حَسَّانُ بْنُ عَطِيَّةَ كَانَ جِبْرِيلُ يَنْزِلُ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ بِالسُّنَّةِ فَيُعَلِّمُهُ إيَّاهَا كَمَا يُعَلِّمُهُ الْقُرْآنَ 1/40 مجموع فتاوى ابن تيمية العقيدة كتاب الإيمان كتاب الإيمان الكبير فصل إذا أطلق لفظ الكفر دخل فيه مفهوم النفاق والعكس

[@StrifeReacts]

Bro I'm Ethiopian and i promise you the brother is not a Muslim, he's probably an ethiopian or eritrean orthodox why is he so shy about admitting he's a Muslim if he is.

[@abuhudaifah_0]

The palcard in the background from the red side to blue side contradicts itself or is it me? Also clearly the chap is quranists.

[@khalidbinwaleed935]

Wether this man learned or not from bro shamsi but we learned alot Alhamdulillah.Indeed Quranists are misguided no doubt

[@darckangel2728]

hot blooded brother Shamsi 😂😂😂 ~♥ اللهم صل وسلم على نبينا محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم ♥~

[@realamg123]

Ignorance & Arrogance is a very dangerous combination.

[@the3lusive]

And irritating.

[@TheSlaveOfAllah1992]

The funny thing is, those so called-quranist believe the Hadith was made 200 years after the prophet. *Ignorance is a man’s worst enemy* The Quran, sunnah, has been preserved, that is Why we can expose the misguided people. The Quran and Hadith was written down under the prophets time. We have *chain of narrations* no one has the same method as the muslims Do. That is one of the greatest things muslims discovered. When you are ignorant, anyone can fool you and mislead you. *Study and learn your Deen from our previous scholars, like ibn tamiyyah, al-Bani, uthaymeen etc. may Allah have mercy upon them all* Amen. There is no doubt that the”quranist” are disbelievers just like Ahmadis, rafidah (shia) etc. May Allah guide them, if not break their backs. Amen😀

[@adjiedguman67]

Follow the quraan and the sunna Of the profhet.if you not do And you Follow only the quraan And NOT the sunna to.you are out the islam

[@12ubaid64]

He was clearly a Quranist 🤣

[@justme6252]

frauds always hide their beliefs, a true man of GOD has nothing to hide and shares the truth with all

[@basedlocation3738]

The fact that he didn't have guts to declare his belief. K@fir other meaning is one who hides his belief 😩💀

[@khalidpervez9927]

What is with these 2 guys who always walk around with the trumpet signs .. does anyone know what their deal is .. ?

[@stonezzrollerr5445]

By (the mystery of) the creation of male and female. (QS Al Lail : 3) Verily, (the ends) ye strive for are diverse.(QS Al Lail: 4) Say: "Everyone acts according to his own disposition: But your Lord knows best who it is that is best guided on the Way.".(QS Al Israa: 84)

[@atraonlycowardsmuteme3285]

(The Best of Al-Hadith) AlQuran; Al-Furqan 25:30 وَقَالَ ٱلرَّسُولُ يَٰرَبِّ إِنَّ قَوْمِى ٱتَّخَذُوا۟ هَٰذَا ٱلْقُرْءَانَ مَهْجُورًا And the Messenger has said, "O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this Quran as [a thing] abandoned." Ash-Shura 42:10 وَمَا ٱخْتَلَفْتُمْ فِيهِ مِن شَىْءٍ فَحُكْمُهُۥٓ إِلَى ٱللَّهِۚ ذَٰلِكُمُ ٱللَّهُ رَبِّى عَلَيْهِ تَوَكَّلْتُ وَإِلَيْهِ أُنِيبُ And in anything over which you disagree - its ruling is [to be referred] to Allah. [Say], "That is Allah, my Lord; upon Him I have relied, and to Him I turn back." Fussilat 41:6 قُلْ إِنَّمَآ أَنَا۠ بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُكُمْ يُوحَىٰٓ إِلَىَّ أَنَّمَآ إِلَٰهُكُمْ إِلَٰهٌ وَٰحِدٌ فَٱسْتَقِيمُوٓا۟ إِلَيْهِ وَٱسْتَغْفِرُوهُۗ وَوَيْلٌ لِّلْمُشْرِكِينَ Say, [O Muhammad], "I am only a man like you to whom it has been revealed that your god is but one God; so take a straight course to Him and seek His forgiveness." And woe to those who associate others with Allah Yunus 10:15 وَإِذَا تُتْلَىٰ عَلَيْهِمْ ءَايَاتُنَا بَيِّنَٰتٍۙ قَالَ ٱلَّذِينَ لَا يَرْجُونَ لِقَآءَنَا ٱئْتِ بِقُرْءَانٍ غَيْرِ هَٰذَآ أَوْ بَدِّلْهُۚ قُلْ مَا يَكُونُ لِىٓ أَنْ أُبَدِّلَهُۥ مِن تِلْقَآئِ نَفْسِىٓۖ إِنْ أَتَّبِعُ إِلَّا مَا يُوحَىٰٓ إِلَىَّۖ إِنِّىٓ أَخَافُ إِنْ عَصَيْتُ رَبِّى عَذَابَ يَوْمٍ عَظِيمٍ And when Our verses are recited to them as clear evidences, those who do not expect the meeting with Us say, "Bring us a Quran other than this or change it." Say, [O Muhammad], "It is not for me to change it on my own accord. I only follow what is revealed to me. Indeed I fear, if I should disobey my Lord, the punishment of a tremendous Day." Al-Jasiyah 45:6 تِلْكَ ءَايَٰتُ ٱللَّهِ نَتْلُوهَا عَلَيْكَ بِٱلْحَقِّۖ فَبِأَىِّ حَدِيثٍۭ بَعْدَ ٱللَّهِ وَءَايَٰتِهِۦ يُؤْمِنُونَ These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement after Allah and His verses will they believe? Al-A'raf 7:3 ٱتَّبِعُوا۟ مَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكُم مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ وَلَا تَتَّبِعُوا۟ مِن دُونِهِۦٓ أَوْلِيَآءَۗ قَلِيلًا مَّا تَذَكَّرُونَ Follow, [O mankind], what has been revealed to you from your Lord and do not follow other than Him any allies. Little do you remember. Al-Isra' 17:46 وَجَعَلْنَا عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ أَكِنَّةً أَن يَفْقَهُوهُ وَفِىٓ ءَاذَانِهِمْ وَقْرًاۚ وَإِذَا ذَكَرْتَ رَبَّكَ فِى ٱلْقُرْءَانِ وَحْدَهُۥ وَلَّوْا۟ عَلَىٰٓ أَدْبَٰرِهِمْ نُفُورًا And We have placed over their hearts coverings, lest they understand it, and in their ears deafness. And when you mention your Lord alone in the Quran, they turn back in aversion. Az-Zumar 39:45 وَإِذَا ذُكِرَ ٱللَّهُ وَحْدَهُ ٱشْمَأَزَّتْ قُلُوبُ ٱلَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِٱلْءَاخِرَةِۖ وَإِذَا ذُكِرَ ٱلَّذِينَ مِن دُونِهِۦٓ إِذَا هُمْ يَسْتَبْشِرُونَ And when Allah is mentioned alone, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter shrink with aversion, but when those [worshipped] other than Him are mentioned, immediately they rejoice. Al-Kahf 18:54 وَلَقَدْ صَرَّفْنَا فِى هَٰذَا ٱلْقُرْءَانِ لِلنَّاسِ مِن كُلِّ مَثَلٍۚ وَكَانَ ٱلْإِنسَٰنُ أَكْثَرَ شَىْءٍ جَدَلًا And We have certainly diversified in this Quran for the people from every [kind of] example; but man has ever been, most of anything, [prone to] dispute.

[@ummerfarooq5383]

The brother told you his background, he just wanted to have lots of kids. Tell him that in jannah full pregnancy lasts only one hour. And there is no pain. Hadith حَدَّثَنَا سَعِيدُ بْنُ عَمْرٍو الأَشْعَثِيُّ، وَزُهَيْرُ بْنُ حَرْبٍ، قَالَ زُهَيْرٌ حَدَّثَنَا وَقَالَ، سَعِيدٌ أَخْبَرَنَا سُفْيَانُ، عَنْ أَبِي الزِّنَادِ، عَنِ الأَعْرَجِ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏‏ قَالَ اللَّهُ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ أَعْدَدْتُ لِعِبَادِيَ الصَّالِحِينَ مَا لاَ عَيْنٌ رَأَتْ وَلاَ أُذُنٌ سَمِعَتْ وَلاَ خَطَرَ عَلَى قَلْبِ بَشَرٍ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ مِصْدَاقُ ذَلِكَ فِي كِتَابِ اللَّهِ ‏{‏ فَلاَ تَعْلَمُ نَفْسٌ مَا أُخْفِيَ لَهُمْ مِنْ قُرَّةِ أَعْيُنٍ جَزَاءً بِمَا كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ‏}‏" Abu Huraira reported Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) as saying that: Allah the Exalted and Glorious, said: I have prepared for My pious servants which no eye has ever seen, and no ear has ever heard, and no human heart has ever perceived but it is testified by the Book of Allah. He then recited:" No soul knows what comfort has been concealed from them, as a reward for what they did". (32:17) Sahih Muslim 2824 a In-book : Book 53, Hadith 3 USC-MSA web (English) : Book 40, Hadith 6780 (deprecated) Sahih Muslim Get Hadith Collection (All in one) app

[@speakerscornerde6523]

He was ashamed to admit he is a Quranist.

[@shamzamri3442]

Not coming for debate ...only asked very very long questions with comments .NEVER BE ASHAMED OF YOUR RELIGION

[@HamzaMalik-ez4ro]

The Prophet had only one book for guidance and that was Quran, So he wasn't muslim according to shamsi speech. 🤭

[@88Grimmjow]

The prophet was the embodiment of the Quran. aisha said that he was "a walking Quran". Quran is not the only revelation revealed to him. What he said and did and was silent about are also from Allah. So what are you talking about? Go read bro.

[@HamzaMalik-ez4ro]

@@88Grimmjow Prophet Musa had Torah. Prophet Jesus had Injeel. And Prophet Muhammad had Quran only. Could you please tell me the name of the second revelation the prophet received from Allah?

[@88Grimmjow]

@@HamzaMalik-ez4ro Allah tells that in the Qur'an. Whoever obeys the Messenger has truly obeyed Allah. But whoever turns away, then ˹know that˺ We have not sent you ˹O Prophet˺ as a keeper over them. O believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. Should you disagree on anything, then refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if you ˹truly˺ believe in Allah and the Last Day. This is the best and fairest resolution. Do not treat the Messenger’s summons to you ˹as lightly˺ as your summons to one another. Allah certainly knows those of you who slip away, hiding behind others. So let those who disobey his orders beware, for an affliction may befall them, or a painful torment may overtake them. But no! By your Lord, they will never be ˹true˺ believers until they accept you ˹O Prophet˺ as the judge in their disputes, and find no resistance within themselves against your decision and submit wholeheartedly. There are many more Ayat on this matter, that the Prophet peace be upon him must be obeyed and followed. He lived for 23 years among a large group of people who also too the Qur'an from him, the quran tells us to follow and obey him, how are we supposed to do that if we don't have any proof of what he said and did? How do you pray? How do you stand and where do you put you hand and know what to say and how to move during prayer? It's not in the Qur'an in detail bro. How do you make ablution? How do you do athan? How do you do the athkar? How do you preform Umrah and Hajj? How do you know how much to pay for Zakat? And on and on and on. The Qur'an doesn't tell you these things in detail, The Prophet did and that is how Islam is kept pure and will remain so until judgement day. Through people who preserved the Qur'an and the Sunnah. Hope to have clarified some and i meant no disrespect. But i advise to read some books on this matter from proper scholars. May Allah guide us all. Wallahou A'lam

[@HamzaMalik-ez4ro]

@@88Grimmjow Read some books ? Are you serious? How many books did prophet Muhammad read? 😂 Quran is the word of god and it was the only book revealed to our messenger, Who ever follows the Message (Quran) has followed or obeyed the messenger. Please read the first verses of Surat Yasin. 1: By the Quran, rich in wisdom! 2: You ˹O Prophet˺ are truly one of the messengers. 3: upon the Straight Path. 4: This is˺ a revelation from the Almighty, Most Merciful. 5: so that you may warn a people whose forefathers were not warned, and so are heedless. The prophet was using Qur'an to warn his people, Not sunnah or hadith. Open your eyez bro.

[@88Grimmjow]

@@HamzaMalik-ez4ro you didn't answer my questions. And are you comparing yourself you the prophet na3uthubillah? So what... You don't need any knowledge? You have achieved everything you need to know? By the way, the prophet didn't read the Qur'an, he was illiterate, meaning he couldn't read or write. But that just goes to show how much you actually know. Anyway, answer my questions.

[@syukrialidrus4091]

Those brother is so arrogant he thought him self knowing every thing..

[@Nurluminated]

I’m not saying he is Somali but on clubhouse there’s rooms of quranist that are Somali

[@sakono8057]

x)...

[@madaxwayne]

he doesnt look it maybe sudanese or yemeni

[@khalidqawdhan3265]

@@madaxwayne he looks very somali

[@momonasri8611]

Layman loses common sense when they come with the idea of let us leave our differences and live together in harmony. That don’t exist in real world is fantasy land. This brada confused Subhanallah. The Quran tells us to obey the Sunnah of the Prophet PBUH. The Sunnah is indivisible from the Quran, for it is the living interpretation of the Quran by Prophet Muhammad (saas), the possessor of great moral values who had such great consideration for believers that he would become distressed when they were troubled and would relieve them of their burdens and chains of bigotry. The Quran cannot be understood and implemented in one`s life without the Sunnah. For example, in the Quran Allah tells believers to be affectionate toward each other, speak good words, and behave modestly. Commanding the right, forbidding the wrong, communicating the moral values of Islam to all humanity are set out as obligatory duties (fara`id). Cleanliness has been made obligatory. However, such matters are explained in the Quran in certain ways. Believers learn about the examples how to actually implement all these commands in their lives by means of the practices of the Prophet (saas). In the Quran, Allah (swt) reveals:

[@ZeroCelsius777]

Amazing how you HADITHERS always say things that are the exact OPPOSITE of what Allah subhana wa ta ala says in QURAN You wrote, "The Sunnah is indivisible from the Quran, for it is the living interpretation of the Quran" Al-Isra ayah 177... سُنَّةَ مَن قَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا قَبْلَكَ مِن رُّسُلِنَا ۖ وَلَا تَجِدُ لِسُنَّتِنَا تَحْوِيلًا This is Our SUNNAH with regard to those of Our apostles whom We sent before you, and you shall not find a change in Our SUNNAH. What QURAN brings you (The REMINDER of what the earlier prophets brought us...PBUT) is the SUNNAH of ALLAH You wrote, "The Quran cannot be understood and implemented in one`s life without the Sunnah." Al-An'am ayats 114 & 115... 114... أَفَغَيْرَ اللَّهِ أَبْتَغِي حَكَمًا وَهُوَ الَّذِي أَنزَلَ إِلَيْكُمُ الْكِتَابَ مُفَصَّلًا ۚ وَالَّذِينَ آتَيْنَاهُمُ الْكِتَابَ يَعْلَمُونَ أَنَّهُ مُنَزَّلٌ مِّن رَّبِّكَ بِالْحَقِّ ۖ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِينَ Shall I then seek a judge other than Allah? And He it is Who 👉has revealed to you the Book which is explained in detail;👈 and those whom We have given the Book know that it is revealed by your Lord with truth, therefore you should not be of the disputers. 115... وَتَمَّتْ كَلِمَتُ رَبِّكَ صِدْقًا وَعَدْلًا ۚ لَّا مُبَدِّلَ لِكَلِمَاتِهِ ۚ وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْعَلِيمُ And the word of your Lord has been accomplished truly and justly; there is none who can change His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.

[@momonasri8611]

@@ZeroCelsius777 Asalamu aleykum Akhi, you rambling little bit. Let me see if I understand you. Are you trying to say the the teaching or saying of prophet Muhammad PBUH is in the Quran or we don’t need them? Let see if we can have nice polite conversation without complicating things okay akhii . Answer that for me.

[@ZeroCelsius777]

@@momonasri8611 I don't understand...why did you say that you are "rambling a little bit?"

[@ZeroCelsius777]

@@momonasri8611 You are making a FALSE CLAIM that those FAKE STORIES & SUPERSTITIONS that SLANDER the prophets (PBUT) came from prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Think about it...would a prophet of ALLAH subhana wa ta ala SLANDER not only other prophets (PBUT), but he would SLANDER himself?

[@momonasri8611]

@@ZeroCelsius777 what you talking about man? 🤔 you confused bruv seriously. What claims have I made mate?

[@munib1000]

Pointless "debate" and had nothing to do with the Quranist or Sunnah for the first half at 13:00 and cut out before they started talking sensibly.

[@mahmoodsaciid--9467]

the first ever time I disagree with Shamsi. Leaving everythiong to the day of judgement aint gonna cut it. May Allah bless my brother Shamsi, but he's human after all , so he sometimes needs naseexa and advise 03:14

[@88Grimmjow]

Why? Shamsi meant to ultimate judgement where everything becomes clear and everyone gets what they deserve. That is what he meant, of course some small matters are dealt with by Allah in this world. But not all of them.

[@mahmoodsaciid--9467]

@@88Grimmjow It's not up to us to even talk about what Allah does and what he doesn't in this dunya , so put that case away. Besides, if there is no cure to the khilaaf or the disputes going on among our teachers and Ulamas, then the world is only gonna get even worse. No muslim would be seen in this world at this point, and the enemies of Islam would take advantage of this by decieving the poor people who have doubts or never heard of what Islam is. Are you beginnig to understand what I'm saying ? Thousands of our muslims brothers and sisters are being slaughtered today, and no one is capable of helping them, because our enemies are powerful than they ever were. So waiting everything for that last day aint gonna cut anything. Allah will ask us why we didnt help them, so its up to us now how to find a solution. Oh yes, there is a solution ofc. It's only up to us if we are all coming together. I definitely believe that I and brother Shamsi would agree to this, if he only heard this opinion of mine. May Allah guide us all to the true path of our deen, Aamiin. Wallaahu A'lam

[@88Grimmjow]

@@mahmoodsaciid--9467 i know what you're saying, i said that's not what shamsi meant, he is saying that the ULTIMATE judgement is in the hereafter. And I'm only quoting Allah in the Qur'an, he says that he punish and resolve some matter IN THIS DUNYA. There are a lot on ayat on this such as baqarah 85. Araf 152. Tawbah 55. Yunus 98. Ar-ra'd 34. Azzumar 26 and many more. Check out these ayat and read them. Also it is not an islamic way to be so hopeless and say that nothing will be resolved and the muslims will never band together and the enemy is strong etc. Bro, Allah is the ultimate power. We have clear hadith on what will happen before the world is over, that islam will take over the whole world.

[@mahmoodsaciid--9467]

@@88Grimmjow I understand, but Shamsi doesn't seem like he has any intention of taking any action of creating one strong muslim community though, by dissolving the disagreements btw the scholars brother. The future you've talked about , is not now, nor is it likely that we will reach that future. All Im saying that our brothers and sisters in Islam are being corrupted by those ( I've mentioned earlier ) today, and we're responsible for it, IF we don't take any right action towards preventing it. I've only learn the tafsiir of of Baqarah. I'm yet to reach A'raf and beyond, so ....

[@88Grimmjow]

@@mahmoodsaciid--9467 barakallahou Feek

[@Alawzai24]

I use to work with this guy years ago. His name is hassan from Oman. He’s Very disingenuous person.

[@aaqib1993]

15:00 I'm still confused

[@atraonlycowardsmuteme3285]

These so called "Sunnis"/hypocrites Are the Quran & Sunnah Rejectors, Quranis are the true followers of Quran and Sunnah in true sense. These ignorants abuse word sunnah, While in AlQuran is taught SunnatAllah, & SunnatAllah refers to how Allah deals With the worlds, by guiding & destroying. I.e. by sending messengers to people, To take believers from the darnesses Into the light & to destroy disbelievers, As everyone is given a term, after that The disbelievers will be destroyed, So before it they sin to their full. That's His true sunnah in AlQuran, But these abusers of Quranic Arabic, They don't know the real sunnah or hide, & if you don't know the real sunnatAllah, You can't get the Quranic connections, It will look disconnected and messy. And that's why they don't understand So they say they need some explainer While Allah calls Quran mubeen/clear, And teaches that He clarifies it for us, And shows how He clarifies in Quran By Quran itself, clarity is in AlQuran, Prophet would use Quran for Quran To clarify itself, that's how it works, And his reciting was the clarifying, Not words besides the recitation, And he already fulfilled his duty, As his duty was only to deliver The Message which is Quran Alone, he had no other Book. I have many more proofs that These so called "sunni" hypocrites Are the real Quran & Sunnah Rejectors. (For my claims check verses: 10:15-17, 12:1, 24:18, 24:58-61, 5:99, 5:67-68, 17:77, 10:7-14 so on)

[@atraonlycowardsmuteme3285]

(The Best of Al-Hadith) AlQuran; Al-Furqan 25:30 وَقَالَ ٱلرَّسُولُ يَٰرَبِّ إِنَّ قَوْمِى ٱتَّخَذُوا۟ هَٰذَا ٱلْقُرْءَانَ مَهْجُورًا And the Messenger has said, "O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this Quran as [a thing] abandoned." Ash-Shura 42:10 وَمَا ٱخْتَلَفْتُمْ فِيهِ مِن شَىْءٍ فَحُكْمُهُۥٓ إِلَى ٱللَّهِۚ ذَٰلِكُمُ ٱللَّهُ رَبِّى عَلَيْهِ تَوَكَّلْتُ وَإِلَيْهِ أُنِيبُ And in anything over which you disagree - its ruling is [to be referred] to Allah. [Say], "That is Allah, my Lord; upon Him I have relied, and to Him I turn back." Fussilat 41:6 قُلْ إِنَّمَآ أَنَا۠ بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُكُمْ يُوحَىٰٓ إِلَىَّ أَنَّمَآ إِلَٰهُكُمْ إِلَٰهٌ وَٰحِدٌ فَٱسْتَقِيمُوٓا۟ إِلَيْهِ وَٱسْتَغْفِرُوهُۗ وَوَيْلٌ لِّلْمُشْرِكِينَ Say, [O Muhammad], "I am only a man like you to whom it has been revealed that your god is but one God; so take a straight course to Him and seek His forgiveness." And woe to those who associate others with Allah Yunus 10:15 وَإِذَا تُتْلَىٰ عَلَيْهِمْ ءَايَاتُنَا بَيِّنَٰتٍۙ قَالَ ٱلَّذِينَ لَا يَرْجُونَ لِقَآءَنَا ٱئْتِ بِقُرْءَانٍ غَيْرِ هَٰذَآ أَوْ بَدِّلْهُۚ قُلْ مَا يَكُونُ لِىٓ أَنْ أُبَدِّلَهُۥ مِن تِلْقَآئِ نَفْسِىٓۖ إِنْ أَتَّبِعُ إِلَّا مَا يُوحَىٰٓ إِلَىَّۖ إِنِّىٓ أَخَافُ إِنْ عَصَيْتُ رَبِّى عَذَابَ يَوْمٍ عَظِيمٍ And when Our verses are recited to them as clear evidences, those who do not expect the meeting with Us say, "Bring us a Quran other than this or change it." Say, [O Muhammad], "It is not for me to change it on my own accord. I only follow what is revealed to me. Indeed I fear, if I should disobey my Lord, the punishment of a tremendous Day." Al-Jasiyah 45:6 تِلْكَ ءَايَٰتُ ٱللَّهِ نَتْلُوهَا عَلَيْكَ بِٱلْحَقِّۖ فَبِأَىِّ حَدِيثٍۭ بَعْدَ ٱللَّهِ وَءَايَٰتِهِۦ يُؤْمِنُونَ These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement after Allah and His verses will they believe? Al-A'raf 7:3 ٱتَّبِعُوا۟ مَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكُم مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ وَلَا تَتَّبِعُوا۟ مِن دُونِهِۦٓ أَوْلِيَآءَۗ قَلِيلًا مَّا تَذَكَّرُونَ Follow, [O mankind], what has been revealed to you from your Lord and do not follow other than Him any allies. Little do you remember. Al-Isra' 17:46 وَجَعَلْنَا عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ أَكِنَّةً أَن يَفْقَهُوهُ وَفِىٓ ءَاذَانِهِمْ وَقْرًاۚ وَإِذَا ذَكَرْتَ رَبَّكَ فِى ٱلْقُرْءَانِ وَحْدَهُۥ وَلَّوْا۟ عَلَىٰٓ أَدْبَٰرِهِمْ نُفُورًا And We have placed over their hearts coverings, lest they understand it, and in their ears deafness. And when you mention your Lord alone in the Quran, they turn back in aversion. Az-Zumar 39:45 وَإِذَا ذُكِرَ ٱللَّهُ وَحْدَهُ ٱشْمَأَزَّتْ قُلُوبُ ٱلَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِٱلْءَاخِرَةِۖ وَإِذَا ذُكِرَ ٱلَّذِينَ مِن دُونِهِۦٓ إِذَا هُمْ يَسْتَبْشِرُونَ And when Allah is mentioned alone, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter shrink with aversion, but when those [worshipped] other than Him are mentioned, immediately they rejoice. Al-Kahf 18:54 وَلَقَدْ صَرَّفْنَا فِى هَٰذَا ٱلْقُرْءَانِ لِلنَّاسِ مِن كُلِّ مَثَلٍۚ وَكَانَ ٱلْإِنسَٰنُ أَكْثَرَ شَىْءٍ جَدَلًا And We have certainly diversified in this Quran for the people from every [kind of] example; but man has ever been, most of anything, [prone to] dispute.

[@steveurkel9440]

hes being krafty

[@jamaali2358]

The subject is trolling

[@jimmyaziz3579]

this guy is just not being sincere and honest. May Allah SWT blesses Bro Shamsi for entertaining such person. He keep lying and not honest

[@jimmyaziz3579]

This guy is a quaranists, its too obvious.

[@adjiedguman67]

Ahamadiyya

[@falsehoodexterminator2336]

That sign 🪧 guy is annoying

[@user-ew1xu4wq4k]

This guy is kinda weird😂

[@khanfield]

Damn this guys was annoying!

[@aceblackmind]

the i hope this man not the taqianist

[@ndengouetambe2923]

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[@ziggazagga9844]

Shamsi listen to people we can be different but live under one umbrella...

[@Asiyah2000]

Qur'anist are not Muslim period 😌

[@droosmr1]

It's clear the questionor is not honest with Shamsi... He ask simple question about he's belive

[@atraonlycowardsmuteme3285]

(The Best of Al-Hadith) AlQuran; Al-Furqan 25:30 وَقَالَ ٱلرَّسُولُ يَٰرَبِّ إِنَّ قَوْمِى ٱتَّخَذُوا۟ هَٰذَا ٱلْقُرْءَانَ مَهْجُورًا And the Messenger has said, "O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this Quran as [a thing] abandoned." Ash-Shura 42:10 وَمَا ٱخْتَلَفْتُمْ فِيهِ مِن شَىْءٍ فَحُكْمُهُۥٓ إِلَى ٱللَّهِۚ ذَٰلِكُمُ ٱللَّهُ رَبِّى عَلَيْهِ تَوَكَّلْتُ وَإِلَيْهِ أُنِيبُ And in anything over which you disagree - its ruling is [to be referred] to Allah. [Say], "That is Allah, my Lord; upon Him I have relied, and to Him I turn back." Fussilat 41:6 قُلْ إِنَّمَآ أَنَا۠ بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُكُمْ يُوحَىٰٓ إِلَىَّ أَنَّمَآ إِلَٰهُكُمْ إِلَٰهٌ وَٰحِدٌ فَٱسْتَقِيمُوٓا۟ إِلَيْهِ وَٱسْتَغْفِرُوهُۗ وَوَيْلٌ لِّلْمُشْرِكِينَ Say, [O Muhammad], "I am only a man like you to whom it has been revealed that your god is but one God; so take a straight course to Him and seek His forgiveness." And woe to those who associate others with Allah Yunus 10:15 وَإِذَا تُتْلَىٰ عَلَيْهِمْ ءَايَاتُنَا بَيِّنَٰتٍۙ قَالَ ٱلَّذِينَ لَا يَرْجُونَ لِقَآءَنَا ٱئْتِ بِقُرْءَانٍ غَيْرِ هَٰذَآ أَوْ بَدِّلْهُۚ قُلْ مَا يَكُونُ لِىٓ أَنْ أُبَدِّلَهُۥ مِن تِلْقَآئِ نَفْسِىٓۖ إِنْ أَتَّبِعُ إِلَّا مَا يُوحَىٰٓ إِلَىَّۖ إِنِّىٓ أَخَافُ إِنْ عَصَيْتُ رَبِّى عَذَابَ يَوْمٍ عَظِيمٍ And when Our verses are recited to them as clear evidences, those who do not expect the meeting with Us say, "Bring us a Quran other than this or change it." Say, [O Muhammad], "It is not for me to change it on my own accord. I only follow what is revealed to me. Indeed I fear, if I should disobey my Lord, the punishment of a tremendous Day." Al-Jasiyah 45:6 تِلْكَ ءَايَٰتُ ٱللَّهِ نَتْلُوهَا عَلَيْكَ بِٱلْحَقِّۖ فَبِأَىِّ حَدِيثٍۭ بَعْدَ ٱللَّهِ وَءَايَٰتِهِۦ يُؤْمِنُونَ These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement after Allah and His verses will they believe? Al-A'raf 7:3 ٱتَّبِعُوا۟ مَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكُم مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ وَلَا تَتَّبِعُوا۟ مِن دُونِهِۦٓ أَوْلِيَآءَۗ قَلِيلًا مَّا تَذَكَّرُونَ Follow, [O mankind], what has been revealed to you from your Lord and do not follow other than Him any allies. Little do you remember. Al-Isra' 17:46 وَجَعَلْنَا عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ أَكِنَّةً أَن يَفْقَهُوهُ وَفِىٓ ءَاذَانِهِمْ وَقْرًاۚ وَإِذَا ذَكَرْتَ رَبَّكَ فِى ٱلْقُرْءَانِ وَحْدَهُۥ وَلَّوْا۟ عَلَىٰٓ أَدْبَٰرِهِمْ نُفُورًا And We have placed over their hearts coverings, lest they understand it, and in their ears deafness. And when you mention your Lord alone in the Quran, they turn back in aversion. Az-Zumar 39:45 وَإِذَا ذُكِرَ ٱللَّهُ وَحْدَهُ ٱشْمَأَزَّتْ قُلُوبُ ٱلَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِٱلْءَاخِرَةِۖ وَإِذَا ذُكِرَ ٱلَّذِينَ مِن دُونِهِۦٓ إِذَا هُمْ يَسْتَبْشِرُونَ And when Allah is mentioned alone, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter shrink with aversion, but when those [worshipped] other than Him are mentioned, immediately they rejoice. Al-Kahf 18:54 وَلَقَدْ صَرَّفْنَا فِى هَٰذَا ٱلْقُرْءَانِ لِلنَّاسِ مِن كُلِّ مَثَلٍۚ وَكَانَ ٱلْإِنسَٰنُ أَكْثَرَ شَىْءٍ جَدَلًا And We have certainly diversified in this Quran for the people from every [kind of] example; but man has ever been, most of anything, [prone to] dispute.

[@keiratadil885]

He doesn't have a point at all

[@shabanali8591]

this dude is ill mannered & has no way of talking

[@munib1000]

Not taking any sides but I find it funny that Sunnis don't mind calling Quranist kafir or non-believer but Quranists would never say the same for Sunnis just call them misguided.

[@sakono8057]

Omg 🤦‍♂️ zip it you know nothing..

[@munib1000]

@@sakono8057 I know that your leader shamsi called all Quranist Kafir in this video so I must know something???

[@servantofallah9991]

@@munib1000 rewatch the video he said those who reject the sunnah completely are disbelievers .

[@munib1000]

@@servantofallah9991 Did Allah mention the hadiths when mentioning the protection of the Quran in Surah 15 verse 9? No, it was the Quran alone. You sure you are the servant of Allah and not bukhari?

[@mdshagor7762]

@@munib1000 Verse doesn't says Quran verse says zikir Al-Hijr 15:9 إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا ٱلذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُۥ لَحَٰفِظُونَ Indeed, it is We who sent down the message and indeed, We will be its guardian.

[@yusniyunos2062]

Another clown

[@affarokurz1486]

The Irony, Shamsi is talking about fantasy, he is worshiping a God that he never saw, taking orders from a prophet that he never saw, wants to live a life that is a hoax and never will wotk

[@PantheraTK]

You never saw your great grandad, I guess you dont believe you had one lol

[@affarokurz1486]

@@PantheraTK I never saw my great grandad you right, but also I don't take order from him or claim to know for sure what he said

[@PantheraTK]

@@affarokurz1486 why do you believe he exist if you never saw him? Are you living in a fantasy hoax?

[@ndengouetambe2923]

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