Exploring a CN Locomotive Graveyard in Ontario

[@NiagaraExplorers]

All the locomotives in this video have been scrapped as of May 2022.

[@moontrainz3790]

:(

[@OfficialSEIC2K6]

Goodbye CN and BC Rail C40-8Ms you will missed

[@andrewdubs8643]

Goodbye too the old.. T.h.m.b lines.. And cn. Rail

[@moonlight_trains1]

That sucks. But I guess if they keep running them they'll stop working eventually anyways.

[@two-strokeworkshop1154]

it never dies it can always be fixed it’s cuz of laziness

[@carluxo0332]

Many of these locomotives have not operated for years. This 2428 for example, I saw a story about it, this model was designed exclusively for CN. They have already been taken out of service and these survived in this courtyard. This video is very good. Congratulations.

[@GEES44DC]

Incorrect. BC Rail and QNSL also ordered this model. This model was not exclusive to CN.

[@1BadVan]

@@GEES44DC they also still use these models in freight service, I’ve had the displeasure of having to operate them still lol

[@GEES44DC]

@@1BadVan CN only has a handful of active Dash 8s left. Once replacement power comes to the DMIR, bye bye.

[@1BadVan]

@@GEES44DC more then fine by me, they should have been retired years ago lol.

[@GEES44DC]

@@1BadVan than

[@MrGrumpy1834]

Worked on a lot of these engines. I'm so glad to see them being scrapped. They were noisy, always cold in the winter, nothing ever worked well and hot as hell during summer (no air conditioning).

[@thomasklimchuk441]

The cab walls were just cheap peg board But then all those MLW products were all junk.Those 2400 series were named after a former chairman of CN when it was crown corporation

[@MikeG42]

The silence is creepy. Usually it would be noisy around these massive beasts. Such a sad sight but everything must eventually come to an end. I could spend all day here. Excellent work filming this video and thank you.

[@mile290productions3]

not always, but most of the time

[@ronmccormack9849]

Don't get caught cn police are not friendly and they don't take kindly to trespassers

[@GrannySkeksis]

My dad was a conductor at CN and I remember getting to ride around the yard on his lap in one of these types of engines and in a caboose ( this was the 80’s so they still used them and safety rules were more lax) It’s a super cool memory of mine. They also had a phone on the engine and when he’d call us from the road he’d always blow the train whistle for us

[@James_Knott]

Back in the mid 70s, when I was a technician with CN Telecommunications, I frequently rode freights in Northern Ontario. While usually in the engine, I sometimes rode in the caboose. On one occasion, I had an overnight trip from Foleyet to Capreol and tried sleeping on a bench in the caboose. I was occasionally tossed off by the motion!

[@1BadVan]

They still use some of these series engines out in BC. As an engineer, I can say I didn’t look forward to having to drive these older units, underpowered for the massive trains they build now and the dynamic brakes on them were basically useless. It was a long trip when you had one of these as the leader. Biggest bonus though for a CN unit is they all had a microwave

[@Viking88Power]

Yeah got to ride on one once, it was definitely interesting.

[@James_Knott]

I used to be a technician for CN Telecommunications and back in the mid 70s frequently rode freights when I worked in Northern Ontario. I haven't seen the inside of a locomotive since then. BTW, back in those days, when I hopped on or off a train, it was usually moving slowly, as the engineers didn't want to stop the train if they didn't have to. There was one trip where I was taking pictures, while standing under the headlight and the train was traveling at speed. I still have those slides I took.

[@BADBIKERBENNY]

Did you ever use morse code on the telegraph, or was that abandoned by then?

[@James_Knott]

@@BADBIKERBENNY It was before my time, as shortly after I started they retired their last revenue Morse wire, though some of my older co-worker had. However, I did manage to salvage a Morse sounder from the office in Geraldton, Ontario, before it was demolished. I still have it.

[@Railfan_Midwest]

As a train enthusiast that has seen some of these exact engines around on the Canadian National railroad it's sad to see them just waiting for there time with the cutting torch I'm glad there was video taken inside and outside of these locomotives.

[@mikeb3539]

Great Video. Kudos to your respectful manner of exploring. Take only pictures, leave only footprints. Great job!

[@NiagaraExplorers]

Thank you!

[@greyeyes2786]

THE DEFINITION OF ILLEGAL TRESSPASS.

[@NiagaraExplorers]

Shut up nerd

[@kennethjones6650]

@@NiagaraExplorersyou left everything as it was when you stepped into the yard you weren’t causing trouble no vandalism and you were in and out quick I respect that

[@donhssm]

Ok, really . When my Father retired CN, ran the 2407 and 2428 together from Mac yard to North bay. My father as Conductor, Last trip. My Brother Doug and I as Brakemen. Our other Brother Ken and Mom with Jack Little was the engineer. Dad's Van # 79570. I Operated the train into Mac yard as I was training as a locomotive engineer. I brought my Dad home. I have Brass HO scale model's of the units and van custom painted in honor of my Father.

[@OutdoorsSC]

Love the old history, someone should do something with them old trains. We love our train videos in Clemson SC, Go Tigers!

[@jasonmcleod8914]

Long gone by now

[@BradFalck-mn3pc]

I remember when 4610 was brand new in North Vancouver yards, damn I'm old

[@Nerfherder3]

Damn I remember when those Dash 8s were brand new and I trained on them

[@TracksideTyson]

Really hard to watch this! All CN’s C40-8W and C40-8M units beat to sh**! I have a fair share of most these units running on my channel from way back when! Great video thanks for posting.

[@edsel6818]

All these engines have seen it all, been thru it, im sure if they could talk their are all kinds stories, even other stories we dont wanna hear🤯😵😱, excellent vidoe. ✌️😉👍 More please.👌

[@scaleyardmarine]

I love this I’m down,loading it cheers from rail Fan NovaScotia

[@joelnordstrom8049]

Yep. Lots of them are worth more for the scrap steel

[@kennethmcrae1387]

Beautiful. Almost untouched looking.

[@thomashninan6708]

the silence in comforting as well as saddening because there engines were so full of life and now they are dead and no longer alive.

[@andrewdubs8643]

Oh child hood. I remember when my dad took me too work. And showed me.how too drive trains. And.load trains. Amazing.

[@503railfan]

cool video, sad to see those locos getting scrapped though

[@commanderblueproduction2401]

Ya and that is a waste of good locomotives

[@benjlar1902]

@@commanderblueproduction2401 a waste? right cuz they werent built 35 years ago

[@nsrailfann4life91]

@@benjlar1902 evidently you know not of what you speak because there are several locomotives built as far back as 1965 that are still in service to this day without issue provided that regular manufacturer specified maintenance is performed. The EMD SD40-2 and EMD F40PH are two prime examples of old power still in use after many years. Hell, there are two axle scale test cars still around today that were built as far back as 1930.... Age means nothing in terms of equipment. It is how well and frequently that it is kept up with that makes the difference. Things made long ago were actually built and manufactured to last. Anymore, things are designed and engineered to fail after a certain amount of use to bring the consumer coming back to buy the "next more advanced model" every so many years. The older tends to be the better and more reliable actually.

[@benjlar1902]

@@nsrailfann4life91 another know it all... thanks for the lesson. I was referring to the engines in the video in which none of the dash 8s were built in 1965. the yard power I use daily at CN date back to the 60s. gp9s date back even further. but ur right, i dont know what im talking about

[@nsrailfann4life91]

@@benjlar1902 sorry if I struck a nerve. Just was providing some valid information… Wasn’t aware that makes me a “know it all”. Maybe go get laid and take a chill pill there bud 😂😂

[@benjlar1902]

i've likely been in a few of these when they were operational. glimpse of the past here

[@grandriverrailfan6088]

Only BCOL 4609 still going of the BC Rail C40-8Ms. I was lucky enough to see her this summer trailing 6th along with IC 2466 trailing 4th in a 6 unit consist on M397. So sad to see these beauties go.

[@loganmalough2379]

Wonder why?

[@trains2495]

Grand River Railfan, I caught that train at Port Huron, MI August 27, 2022! Train 397 spent the night in PH and went west the next day! I saw it at 16th Street Amtrak and backing in the yard! It was a good catch! The same day more BCOL "Cowls" were going to LTEX for "Scrap!" Even more the next few months! I believe more Dash 8 variants, including "Cowls" are stored in Homewood, IL! Maybe at some point they will be "Re-activated!" At least we have BCOL 4609 and IC 2466 running! RJ

[@ThePrairiesRailfan]

I wouldn’t doubt on it, Almost all C44-9WL BC Rail is scrapped, During the extinction of BC Rail, Those BC Rail C630Ms were all scrapped as well, All CN Rail, CP Rail, and BC Rail Variants of the C630M, I wouldn’t be surprised if the same story happened to the aging C40-8M Cowl Units, everything must end as technology advances like an story, like the steam era, But there legacy is still within all of us

[@railfandepotproductions]

@@ThePrairiesRailfan hope some gets preserved

[@railfandepotproductions]

@@trains2495 hope they get preserved

[@fluffnose3386]

I’d love to purchase one, gut it, and live in it. Something similar was done in glacier National park if you want to see what it could look like.

[@NSEasternShoreChemist]

It's telling when the Dash 8's are all getting scrapped, while their precursors, the EMD SD40s, are still widely used to this very day. IIRC, a lot of the older GE's had trouble with their turbochargers, resulting in engine fires. An engine fire in the previous generation of GE loco, the C30-7, was a major contributing factor to the Lac-Megantic rail disaster.

[@buckeyfan7623]

I forgot CN bought some of the Conrail c40-8w’s. I saw the red marker lights and remembered lol. A few of those engines Look like they are still ready to work. It’s cool to see the inside of the Canadian cabs I didn’t realize they have doors on the side of the cab to.

[@aspenGF8]

they were ex LMS, a short lived thing between CN and CR

[@buckeyfan7623]

@@aspenGF8 ah that’s right I always wondered what the deal was with that

[@miIwaukeeroad]

BN leased some LMSX B39-8Es

[@adillakandi.r]

@@aspenGF8 LMS is the Conrail leasing company, their C40-8W is have the same spec as Conrail

[@Elliottblancher]

​@@aspenGF8 lms?

[@WilliamHBaird-eq2hp]

I do not condone Trespassing... But I do love GE Dash -8 locomotives, especially BCOL and C40-8M cowls.

[@EntertainmentWorldz]

super great video bro ❤❤😍😍

[@tgs2141]

It’s crazy seeing those Blue Devils for CN, rest in pease

[@Steve-xf4uv]

Very cool video. Interesting to see where some of these engines I photographed when they were running ended up. Also Trespassing though; sorry to mention.

[@NiagaraExplorers]

Considering I had to climb a fence, I think that's pretty obvious.

[@Steve-xf4uv]

@@NiagaraExplorers I meant you should know better !

[@NiagaraExplorers]

@@Steve-xf4uv Every video on my channel is trespassing, it's kinda the whole point

[@JS-vy5px]

@@NiagaraExplorers where is this facility; I don't recognize the buildings at all. Thx.

[@Don_ECHOguy]

Unfortunately refurbish programs don't work with these older engines and with the advent of the new cheaper running eco-friendly engines this is the future.

[@bigpanders22]

Bet elon musk gonna make a train.

[@Dbodell8000]

CN should preserve their first Dash 9 CWL #2500.

[@GEES44DC]

No.

[@therailfanman2078]

While it would be cool to see these engines preserved I doubt that any will

[@jonty172]

This is amazing thankyou

[@pierre-lucgagnon]

What a nice chiling spot

[@Lordbillystrains]

your lucky you saw one of the last blue devils before it was gone

[@darrelgibbs4898]

You Are Right This Sick But i Love it do more Next Time

[@j.m.youngquist419]

Just think of all the fright that those titans of the rail have hard.

[@Dan_the_Great_]

Crazy how it sits so long to then me scrapped

[@michaelmenard6088]

Sad to see the "Blue Devil" got scraped!!!

[@GEES44DC]

Not only did it get scraped, it got scrapped too!

[@Cozmixcartoons]

I wonder if any of these trains ever rolled past me while I was waiting at a crossing? 🤔

[@csxnstrainman]

Fortunate enough to see those running down this way before they went into storage.

[@ThrashMetal_12v71]

Most of those engines look like GE crap 8s

[@NiagaraExplorers]

After the amount of video's I've seen of them on fire, it doesn't surprise me lol

[@chuxtuff]

They're the Canadian version of an SD-701 they called the GF-640a. Those are awaiting the scrapper if I had to guess...

[@ThrashMetal_12v71]

@@chuxtuff I dunno man, they don’t look like EMDs to me, their trucks look like Dash 8 trucks. The control stands are GE as well

[@chuxtuff]

@@ThrashMetal_12v71 The Canadian units have the model number right below the 4 digit numbers. It says GF-640a and when you run that through your favorite search engine that's what comes up. SD-701 what's that a first gen SD-70? That's a US designation. Anyway I'm just talking about the Canadian units there. And I saw that number more then once in the video too. I'm no expert I'm just a rail fan with some curiosity...

[@GEES44DC]

@@chuxtuff wrong. The GF640 is a CN only designation. GE Freight 6 axle 4000 hp The letter is the order number. A = 1st 4000 hp Ge order. D = 4th GE 4000 hp order. And so on. Those are all GE C40-8 variants.

[@donhssm]

I am sure I ran most of these units before I retired

[@daywalker________7677]

Looks like dash 8 locomotives that never got converted to dash 9.

[@crystalboutte9880]

Nice graveyard I would like to go there but I live in the USA

[@salvatory2012]

A choo choo graveyard may these Choo Choo rest in peace

[@mr.sir.]

CHOO CHOO? DID YOU JUST SAY THAT?

[@salvatory2012]

@@mr.sir. Yep lol

[@ladarkknight2039]

A lot of those locomotives are wide nose cabs and are the Canadian version of a SD40-2

[@GEES44DC]

Those are Dash 8s...

[@Dbodell8000]

Your thinking of the CP redbarns. They were the full cowl SD40-2s.

[@andrewdubs8643]

Over the last 12 years the rail road has gotten smaller and smaller.. Due too they are not fully needed anymore. Yes they need trains but not as it once was.. Where i heard ever line up as a kid too 30 trains on too few years ago was like 5 to 6.. On the go. Its crazy. How time evolved this once amazing industry.

[@GEES44DC]

CN replaced these engines with pretty much the entire Citirail ES44AC fleet. They didn't downsize their fleet. Train traffic volumes are still a lot higher than you think they are.

[@andrewdubs8643]

@@GEES44DC . tell me good sir do you know the counts. ?. Of acctive engine.

[@adillakandi.r]

It was because train get longer and longer and just need pulled by few locomotive, thats more efficient to double the sized train than run train regulary

[@mile290productions3]

it made me a little sad, Seeing these Ex BC Rail (BCOL) C40-8Ms now in a state of disrepair, finally on their deathbed after starting their life in the Cold Snowy mountains of BC and whatnot, being passed down to CN, with their C40-8M's and C40-8W's, working along side the many other current locmotives on CN's fleet. especially that blue devil. regardless, i loved this video and the shots were great.

[@sullysboy]

Is this somewhere around the Welland area? it's kinda interesting but i do understand you can't give out the location but that area will be just my guess.

[@riondoesthings1988]

Man. A shame some of these locos are getting scrapped. At 1:07 on the right is a CN “blue devil” those things are rare to see.

[@mile290productions3]

rare is an understatement for those beasts, the only one remaining is IC - 2466 C40-8W. and it has been reported to be leading trains as of the past few months. (fitted with PTC?)

[@SEWisconsinRailfan]

Yep, 2466 has PTC.

[@GEES44DC]

IC Blue Devil Those are not CN engines.

[@Lordbillystrains]

@@GEES44DC they are under cn ownership

[@GEES44DC]

@Lordbillystrains Uh, no. They were owned by the Illinois Central, a CN subsidiary.

[@highball_photography3912]

Even a paint chip would be worth millions to the right buyer.

[@ErikMatthWoodrYT]

Just Subscribed and liked

[@jamesstuart3346]

Fantastic! 👍👍👍

[@chuckysmith9960]

Wow I didn't know 2455 was done, sad to see the 8-w like that 😔 😢

[@MrGrumpy1834]

Good riddance it was pile of crap like the rest of these engines!

[@therailfanman2078]

​@@MrGrumpy1834shut

[@Railfanmatt4CNA421]

Sick.

[@Brad-xd2bt]

Blue devils. Rare

[@MathieuP34]

Dude dash 8s and cn blue devil! lucky!

[@GEES44DC]

IC! Those blue ones are Illinois Central.

[@malachit6282]

where is this by in welland

[@ReadingAreaRailfan]

Look like all SD60F's and C40-8W's

[@GEES44DC]

There are no SD60s here.

[@OliVehicleWorld5472]

Where

[@AlexNunes-z6v]

wow

[@OntarioRailrunnerTrainz999]

Where exactly is this? Like what general area of where it is?

[@NiagaraExplorers]

It used to be in Welland, the whole property has been repurposed. Both the buildings and the trains are long gone.

[@OntarioRailrunnerTrainz999]

Oh ok then, thx

[@billis9999999999]

Some locomotives have good condition. Why for scrap?

[@benglasgow]

I'm not big into trainspotting, more just a passive hobby with railways and alike. But one thing I will say you have to take your hat off to with spotters is them documenting trains when they were active. That CN 2407 loco at 5:55 got filmed by some guy here whilst hauling: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWeyaneJjraKoJI

[@mrfingerlakes8735]

Awesome video

[@dvljet]

These graveyards are private property well technically it could be CNs property and trespassing isnt advised because if caught its at least a $200 fine . your lucky the company or yard was closed because normally youd see employes working . the log cars seem brand new and wonder why their put there . this place i think all they do is strip out the engines and electronics then i think whats left is sent somewhere else to be chopped up torching would take way to long and youd need a lot of dumpsters to haul away the metal and the fuel tanks are considered hazardous waste the wheels can be removed and reused same with the cupplers . theres a big company in montreal that does the same thing to cp and cn engines all they do is salvage the engine parts the rest is sent to aim scrap metal .

[@graphtonix6607]

Did you guys see any EX Amtrak F40'S there???

[@NiagaraExplorers]

No, CN never used them, except for the few that they still have in service. They're only used on the Agawa Canyon excursions.

[@graphtonix6607]

@@NiagaraExplorers OK.

[@graphtonix6607]

LTEX Rail Corp has a lot of EX Amtrak F40'S.

[@NiagaraExplorers]

@@graphtonix6607 Yeah, I've seen some pictures of that place, it's pretty cool

[@graphtonix6607]

@@NiagaraExplorers Are you planning to go there anytime soon???

[@mutcut6289]

Old bc rail locomotives there too

[@NiagaraExplorers]

BC Rail is owned by CN.

[@mutcut6289]

@@NiagaraExplorers i know that, I remember seeing it on the news and the surrounding controversies with all parties involved.

[@BobSmith-ui4qu]

Where is my toolbox? I need that bit.

[@heatherjenkins1009]

Did you know that BC rail was leased two Canadian national for 60 years

[@terencechevalier5756]

99 yrs ive been working there since 2009

[@Cprailf]

is this in Welland On ???

[@jaapongeveer6203]

I have a GE ES44AC CN for my N scale model railroad. It won't end up in the scrapyard!

[@railfan_brendan7135]

Do I have any coordinates on where this is

[@NiagaraExplorers]

I don't know the coordinates off by heart, but I know that it's in Welland.

[@KyleMurph09]

@@NiagaraExplorers is there a road near it?

[@uprailfan73]

Sad and more are heading that way too can cn donate some of these locomotive

[@michaelmenard6088]

Does that property belong to CN or is it a salvage company?

[@NiagaraExplorers]

It's a salvage company

[@Adidasdude74]

Awesome video 😍😍

[@NiagaraExplorers]

Thanks

[@alfredmajor428]

They would rebuild all diesel and sell them

[@nancy8521]

What about the cn trains in the usa

[@two-strokeworkshop1154]

You should’ve tried to start one

[@GEES44DC]

How? These things are not in working order.

[@andregonsalvez9244]

Cool video Bros where exactly is this Loco scrap yard at ?

[@wildtraingamer3146]

Did any of the train horns work? Or you didn’t want to test it so you don’t freak people out?

[@djteako]

Well, considering the engin's would have to be running, and the air system fully charged, I guess the short answer is No.

[@markcantemail8018]

We the Dogs there that Day ?

[@cnrailproductions8957]

ahh yes blue devils

[@BobSmith-ui4qu]

You know there was a reason why there was a fence.

[@NiagaraExplorers]

Indeed, but I don't really care

[@windsorrails]

Cool! were is this?

[@betsymani2734]

Not the blue devil

[@jessstone7486]

Its depressing on a number of levels.

[@martinvanoene7192]

where is this?

[@NiagaraExplorers]

Welland

[@PRR5406]

I want to see what you guys “collected” from these engines. Lucky you didn’t encounter homeless drug addicts in that darkness. Jesus knows you trespassed! And now, so does CNR.

[@patrickblock2477]

These loco's don't pass emissions, not good enough for retro fit

[@GEES44DC]

They are exempt from emissions requirements.

[@kevonlooney5777]

I want to buy one

[@skunkworks2059]

Love to know were this actually is.

[@TCSNR_Productions]

I know why all these Dash 8 locomotives are getting scrapped, ever since CN lost the bid between CP and KCS, CN had to scrap some of the locomotives in order to get their money back because all their money was pointed towards, the bid to win Kansas City Southern although CP Won the bid.

[@bwallace5945]

What does that have to do with anything? I have never understood why some RR's scrap 15-20 year old locomotives and others will keep some for 50 years. So they put in a bid for KCS and they lost so why do you have to go on a fire sale scrapping binge. If they were so concerned about $ why were they paying that idiot hatchet man Hunter Harrison so much?

[@TCSNR_Productions]

@@bwallace5945 all though I might have a possibility that after CN lost the bid between KCS and CP, CN is scrapping the older model Dash 8's to make newer models because these dash 8's these were made like what... 1989? Something like that? but when these locomotives get scraped they bring the money to GE (General Electric co.) and GE will make newer Dash 8 models, just like how they made newer ES44AC / DC locomotives, and they will still have all their sweet sweet sounding new horns... I'm not saying that this will acualy happen, but it might some point in the future... Idk, This is just a theory, A RAIL THEORY!

[@GEES44DC]

You do realize that cn made a 700 million dollar profit from losing that bid, right? CN scrapping these has nothing to do with KCS. Seriously, where do you guys come up with this garbage?

[@GEES44DC]

@@bwallace5945 CN made 700 million profit for losing that bid.

[@martinvanoene7192]

Why and what.

[@Trainwatcher2426]

Does the guy know how rare these are lol 😂

[@flipperfryer]

You should disclose the Location so others can go see before these Locos are Shredded for scrap

[@GEES44DC]

What a stupid comment. These guys are trespassing.

[@poly_hexamethyl]

Strange that they would scrap all those locomotoves. Why don't they just keep using them? They look fine to me.

[@GEES44DC]

Worn out and not worth rebuilding.

[@williamkaczmarek3996]

Isn't this trespassing? Asking for a friend.

[@NiagaraExplorers]

Yes. That's usually what I do lol

[@williamkaczmarek3996]

@@NiagaraExplorers OK, just checking.

[@James_Knott]

"Asking for a friend" Yeah, right! 🙂