(EXPOSED) Michael Dimond doesn't understand magic

Playlist of videos used: • Magicians
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[@tradicnykatolik_sk]

You are just blind. Where he is topless there is no secret mechanism. That guy is promoting false eastern religions, he levitates. Also, another thing, you did not cover nude girls in your video. That is uncharitable. You were elsewhere sawing doubt to whether Pius XII was Catholic or not. That is Schismatical approach. You just don't understand theology. You are covering for a guy who promotes Voodoo and says spirit Desmond helps him. BTW, girl Rianna claims to be Catholic, or just comes from a Catholic family. (Don't know what she is claiming now.) But she is manifesting demonic possession, clearly. Chris Angel got possessed on stage, and did demonic stuff with a girl. These people are evil. Also Shin Linn, even if he done tricks, he promotes (just as others) a false religion of Magic. Whether they are sorcerers or charlatans, they mock Christianity, they hook people into demonic spiritual realm, and people then get hooked up into liking sorcerers like Gandalf (Lotr) or Harry Potter, Avengers, etc. A charitable video would be: sorry MHFM these are tricks, however, I am not taking from you, that these men promote false religions and some of them Voodoo worship. I recommend people watch: "What Is Zangbeto and Who's Inside It? W/ Gerard Richard Agbayanou" And you will see structures of straw moving by themselves on rhythm of Voodoo enchanters and drummers. This is real sorcery with help of demonic spirits. It is there, it is open, and it is extremely daring (just as some "Magicians" are in their video: Dynamo, Cyril, Blane, Special Head, and others.) Also, you have not even touched upon people like Dr. Oz. The fact that a guy on whom "magic" was performed hears whispering into his ear. You claim you can explain away, that all of the feats, are just tricks. But the fact is, you can't.

[@Deuterocomical]

This might be the most schizophrenic cope comment on here, can't believe I'm only just now seeing it lol. I gave a well thought reason for why the levitation was likely staged, and your response is just "nuh uh", which tells me that you aren't willing to have your mind changed. Also, could you provide a time stamp for the "nude girls"? I might have missed something by mistake, but I don't remember that being anywhere in my video. I also don't know what you are talking about regarding Pius XII, but I've made it very clear that Pius XII through Francis are legitimate Popes and that we shouldn't claim otherwise. But regardless, you are simply continuing the bad logic outlined in this video (did you even watch the whole thing?). Arguments from incredulity are weak and I hope you put some more effort into your positions. There's a reason why the Dimond have been absolutely silent about this video and have refused to debate me on this topic.

[@tradicnykatolik_sk]

@@Deuterocomical you are just a gaslighting liar. Nothing else to add.

[@agentbrian8485]

Whole yap session

[@TCM1231]

You edited this and it still reads like the babble of a schizophrenic I’m not trying to be insulting Please go to your local parish and spend some time in front of the blessed sacrament and if possible receive. God Bless

[@DetectiveSquarepants]

@@Deuterocomical These morons can't be reasoned with 😂

[@st.friendship]

Satan when he tempted Jesus in the desert: "Pick a card."

[@bman5257]

I would feel bad for them if they didn’t slander our papas.

[@mgawalangmagawamwm]

All those explanations can only be explained by supernatural means

[@Deuterocomical]

😂

[@Testimony_Of_JTF]

Well technically all of them require change and since change depends on God, yes.

[@DrumboAgainGaming]

Why does Michael Diamond only pick the most obvious tricks to accuse of being “satanic magic”?

[@beardown851]

you know you done something right when the dimonds do an expose documentary on you

[@Deuterocomical]

Actually, it's more like "you know you made a few minor mistakes and the Dimond's will exploit that in a response video". But if they have nothing to say and try to copyright strike your video, that's when you know you REALLY destroyed them 😂

[@joslez7573]

​@@Deuterocomical Ya siéntese señora

[@Manuel-bj2ug]

Dimond bros: Stage magic is of the devil. Deuterocomical: and I took that personally.

[@bosstoober8782]

I remember watching this video and laughing aloud at how obvious many of the tricks were

[@adamy8s]

I would like you to know that I really enjoyed living in a world where I believed that every stage magician was wielding the power of preternatural forces, and I'll never be able to get that back. Thanks a lot.

[@Deuterocomical]

Yepp, sometimes being an adult be like that lol

[@immaculata_marian]

I love this video because it really shows a contrast between stage magic and the miracles of Our Lord and Savior. In stage magic, the magician controls the situation and makes sure everything is set up just right in order to pull of the illusion. Our Lord, on the other hand, takes situations as they are redeeems them. In St. John chapter 9, he heals a man who has been blind his entire life, and the pharisees even go so far as to interview his family to try to find out some alternate explanation. No tricks, no angles, no controlling the situation. For me, illusionists really just show that Jesus was no mere magician, but was the true, Living, Son of God!

[@Malygosblues]

I liked around 34:36 when voodoo met its match against the far greater preternatural force of having a woman moment

[@marvalice3455]

There's a reason why sorcerers advise kings, and witches live alone in a hut. Not even Satan can overcome the insurmountable hurdle of a woman moment.

[@Deuterocomical]

DUDE, haha. This is so bad, but I definitely laughed out loud reading this

[@gunsgalore7571]

It is as you said in the Bishop Barron v Taylor Marshall episode - the guy would accuse someone of harnessing demonic power for pulling a quarter out of his ear.

[@raphaelrico1584]

Vatican Catholic’s video about St.Malachi Prophecy is something that needs refuting. But no one has 😅

[@Deuterocomical]

Isn’t that the one that says Pope Francis will be the final antipope? If so, I think it will refute itself within a few years lol

[@raphaelrico1584]

@@Deuterocomical 😂😂

[@Onlyafool172]

I mean I think we have 3 years to wait until we see if it is true or not

[@nunuvyerbizniz6803]

Saint John Bosco condemnation incoming

[@AugustineXCV]

St. Thomas Aquinas is in heaven having an absolute meltdown. “PLEASE LORD! LET ME GO DOWN AND TALK SOME SENSE INTO THEM FOR JUST A SECOND!!! PLEASSSSEEEE!!!”

[@scienquist]

These arguments are still surprisingly better than the arguments the Dimond brothers make against baptism of desire.

[@DavidPhillips-y6y]

Actually, even if the Dimonds are totally wrong about magic tricks, and even if you think those who die as catechumens can be saved through Baptism of Desire, something needs to be said here. We live in a time when almost everyone, even Sede priests, think Hindus and Jews etc (people who have never heard of Christ and even people who have but dont accept Him) can be in the state of grace and can go to heaven. No saint or pope in Church history ever believed this. All these people have to present are a couple of fallible statements of Pius IX which don't even mean what they say they mean, and a decree of the Holy Office. Nothing else. We have ex cathedra teaching stating all who die as Jews and Pagans and heretics and schismatics, and even people among them who shed their blood for Christ, go to Hell. This is the main problem that must be dealt with, the main dogma which almost everyone rejects and tries to explain away.

[@yvonetubla7682]

@@DavidPhillips-y6y show us a dogma or doctrine saying that our understandings of dogmas are static and will never become more nuanced and that the teaching of the church while always the same in meaning and content should not be passed on to mankind in a living way and not adapted to what the times demand

[@j.knight9335]

@@yvonetubla7682Pope Pius IX, First Vatican Council, Sess. 3, Chap. 2 on Revelation, 1870, ex cathedra: “Hence, also, that understanding of its sacred dogmas must be perpetually retained, which Holy Mother Church has once declared; and there must never be a recession from that meaning under the specious name of a deeper understanding.”

[@skmcee7863]

@@DavidPhillips-y6yEven the adherents of “Baptism of Desire” never thought that it could save people who don’t believe in the fundamental doctrines of faith such as the Trinity incarnation atonement etc. for example Saint Thomas thought that it could save a Catholic catechumen who believes in the essential truths of the faith. Then again, V2 is not Catholic and the V2 Antipopes believe LITERALLY ANYONE can be saved by “Baptism of Desire”.

[@skmcee7863]

@@yvonetubla7682 What an embarrassing “response”. It’s ex cathedra stated that all those who die outside the church and do not persevere in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church are damned. That is infallible. Infallible dogmas don’t change, and there is no hidden “nuance” for you to hijack to promote your heretical garbage. The plain and simple fact is no matter how much you V2 heretics try to cope and explain away you’ll never be able to reconcile the Catholic teachings on salvation with the teachings of the antipopes on Jews, Muslims, “Orthodox” etc.

[@RealSeanithan]

The major harm of videos like the one you're critiquing is not that it makes people believe that "magic" is magic, but that, since everyone knows the "magic" isn’t magic, for them to call "magic" magic could lead people to believe that magic is "magic" if at any time it were to come up.

[@marklauber8653]

Your first documentary! What's next? Action? Drama? Romance???

[@Deuterocomical]

I feel like calling this a documentary is an insult to documentaries lol

[@marklauber8653]

@@Deuterocomical I enjoyed it more than most documentaries 😎

[@nicholasshaler7442]

I can’t watch all 54 minutes of your refutation of insanity, but this is a useful think to have in a back pocket.

[@adamhovey407]

Hey man, I honestly thought it was a good video. I'd never seen the Dimond video, but, man, it sounds absurd. Magicians base their acts on the willing suspension of disbelief. I'm not understanding where, exactly, the Dimonds are getting their information from. Do they believe Superheroes in Marvel Movies are using the dark arts because they can't explain them?

[@Deuterocomical]

Funny you should ask, because they actually do take issue with superheroes. Just Google "vaticancatholic superman is the devil's replacement for Jesus Christ" and see what I mean

[@ZachCatholic]

"This video explains away demons only by the logical power of Beelzebul prince of demons!" ~ there's no way a human mind could ever have reached this level of logic and common-sense to refute these impossible street magic tricks ... therefore the sede brothers must be correct! 😱 I'd recommend you get a Priest to perform an exorcism on you ... but unfortunately, as the Dimonds would say: no valid Catholic Priests exist any more 😁

[@mgawalangmagawamwm]

I must renounce that one time I made a ball reappear in a cup

[@ZachCatholic]

@@mgawalangmagawamwm I also confess that I made a bunny rabbit materialize out of thin air within a top hat 😢🎩🐰

[@calebadcock363]

They would say there’s valid priests, but don’t you dare attend one of their masses.

[@therefinedcanine]

I noticed with some of their patristic quotes they have their own sometimes misleading translations.

[@skmcee7863]

An example being?… 😂

[@darcevader3769]

I like some of their videos but the magic is real by demons I cracked up 😂

[@krjohnson29]

Yep, Mr. Diamond is relying on his own "untrained", "fallible" interpretation all right... That's a very charitable way of putting it I think 😂

[@antoniotodaro4093]

Micheal Dimond after I pull a coin out from behind his ear: 😱😨😠

[@marvalice3455]

I feap like most sorcerers wouldn't waste their time being theater kids. Traditionally, witches have used their craft to feel like the biggest mean girl, and sorcerers have used their craft to get into the halls of power. I see no reason to believe they would act any differently now, and most people that make believeble claims to the practice follow this same trend

[@JacquesMigne]

the Dimond brothers took about 60% of the material in their video from a different KZbin channel, not a catholic channel just a rando one, I cannot remember the name or if it's still available, but it shows a lot of negligence and laziness. Their same internal logic and lack of metaphysics is their reason for rejecting BOD/B. There is a reason why 99% of traditional priests (indult,sspx,or sede) accept BOD and laymen with no logic or metaphysics training cannot understand perennial church teaching.

[@Deuterocomical]

If you can find that original video, let me know!

[@JacquesMigne]

@@Deuterocomical kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKCmdGuEZb2jrbcsi=zx2FcWXq5Xx0HqsL This is not the original maker of the video but I think this was one part of the original series that the diamonds got most of their info from. I looked it up for you because you went on sedepicante's channel

[@Deuterocomical]

@@JacquesMigne hmm, but this was made in 2019, later than the Dimond’s video

[@JacquesMigne]

@@Deuterocomical I thought that was a reupload I sent you?

[@Deuterocomical]

@@JacquesMigne Oh I see. And you’re pretty sure the original upload was before any of the Dimond’s?

[@TheBurningWarrior]

... I have to think the Alliance is going to frown on this.

[@Onlyafool172]

Dimond brothers are very clearly obssessed hence they lost grip on reality slowly because of his sedevacantism, this man would create a salem witch trials catholic version

[@thunderhawk5232]

Awesome work

[@SedePicante]

😂😂😂 54 minutes...I guess I'll just play some starcraft while I watch it

[@enslavedbytruth]

Teaching the dark arts now are we?? Hmmm

[@truthercrusader]

I got done watching it and it was a very simple expose. You definitely did a good job imo and the fact their magicians video can be easily debunked shows that Michael Dimond is just lazy with research, which is weird considering he has all the time in the world living in that trailer park of a monastery. Either that, or they are deliberately lying to their audience, but I have yet to see evidence or a reason for this. The only thing I’ll say that you did miss is addressing their two quotes they often site about magicians, and how they’re not about magic tricks, but people curing disease without prayer or medicine, putting out fires without prayer or water, etc. Nonetheless, it was a simple expose of the Dimond Bros superstitious nonsense and you make a good point about how if the Dimond Bros can be so wrong on this issue, who knows what other issues they’re completely wrong about. It really shows the foolishness of people who put them on an infallible like pedestal.

[@marvalice3455]

Vice robs us of our gifts

[@PhilipBlair-by7ic]

help demons scary

[@TheDTCory]

Bro, this has to be satire to create a documentary to refute the Dimond's on magic. But good job. This message is approved by the American Sedeprivationist. PS: Sede Pictante sucks.

[@Deuterocomical]

Not sure I would call this video satire, it's more like a passive aggressive roasting of them lol

[@TheDTCory]

@@Deuterocomical I like that.

[@AntonVShokolov]

So the Dimond brothers just have autism right?

[@Deuterocomical]

No idea

[@marvalice3455]

I tend to believe "I don't see how it could be done, therefore it is impossible" is a thought process caused by a moral failure, not a developmental one

[@adamhovey407]

I personally doubt it. I have a (diagnosed)! Autism spectrum disorder, and I have NEVER met an autistic person that acts like the Dimonds. Your view on autism isn't accurate. It actually sounds more like paranoia to me, frankly. (obsessive does not equal autism)

[@adamhovey407]

@@marvalice3455 I wouldn't have phrased it quite that way, but, I do appreciate it, I am getting kind of tired of the internet using the word "autism", wrong.

[@Deuterocomical]

@@adamhovey407 Thank you for the insight!

[@maukachauka8793]

52:40 totally agree with you as a sedevacantist.

[@maukachauka8793]

This is a good video, and shows how people get far too carried away in their superstitions. Idk why Mhfm would lie to their audience, its not as if it brings in any benefit, since they dont make any money on their content. Nor does this give them some kind of control over their audience. Maybe they really just want to believe in the supernatural and see it l(not saying it doesn't exist) and thus used magic, for it. This is unfortunately just fearmongering. Any honest christian has to conceide that mhfm is wrong. But this doesnt necessarily suggest their videos on actual religion are flawed like this. This video is just irreligious superstition. They should recognise their error and apologise like you say. :) But shame on people using this irreligious non sequitur to disavow the sedevacantist position.

[@renjithjoseph7135]

When they see an event X that seems to not conform to law Y they refuse to attempt to harmonise the two, even when evidence of harmony is readily available. They do the same with religion. What is said at time A does not seem to line up with what was said at time B and they refuse to try to harmonise it. Same principle. They cannot think critically and so surmise that the Church is in some way compromised.

[@Deuterocomical]

I also don't think he is lying, but what makes you say they don't make any money off their content? I have no idea if they are monetized, but even if they aren't, their magician documentary has 4.7 million views on KZbin, which certainly brings traffic to their website, which creates revenue indirectly.

[@maukachauka8793]

@Deuterocomical they actively don't put ads on their video, I remember them even saying in a comment that, if a video does have an ad its because KZbin decided, due to their own policy KZbin will advertise regardless of the creators choice. I have an ad blocker anyway so I don't see ads, but if you disable it clicking on their video you won't see one. And before KZbin they used to sell dvds for practically nothing if I remember correctly 5 dollars max. And unlike most KZbinrs they don't ask you to subscribe or to donate to them, though they'll ask you to share their videos. For these reasons I don't think their magician vid has malicious intent.

[@Deuterocomical]

@@maukachauka8793 I see, so they live off voluntary donations? Given that their magician video is their second highest performing video (4.7 million views), I'm sure that generates traffic to their website. But again, I'm convinced that they really believe what they put in the video and they want to convince non-religious people that a spiritual world exists, though I'd be curious to know how they feel after watching my response.

[@maukachauka8793]

​@@DeuterocomicalYh same I'd be curious to see what their response would be, though I doubt they'd do one especially since it's on a personal opinion and not Catholic fact. I'm not exactly quite sure about their finances, but I'm pretty sure they could live alone on voluntary donations, since there was a case of somebody trying to get back their million something dollar donation after leaving their organisation. It gets traffic on their website, but their website is also not monetised as there are no ads. Since they never ask their viewers to make a donation either on any of their videos if I remember correctly. I'd say they are just earnestly trying to spread the word. In my opinion its pretty respectable compared to other religious youtubers, who are making their online content a business, like Taylor Marshall etc... who asks you to subscribe every video iirc and tries to sell you their book. It's kinda pure in a way :) ? "Convince non religious people of a supernatural" Maybe ig ? but I'd imagine people who would be convinced would already be weary and inclined to believe in a supernatural.

[@renjithjoseph7135]

Are my comments being deleted manually?

[@Deuterocomical]

Nope. Have you been including links in your comments? KZbin hides them if you do

[@renjithjoseph7135]

@@Deuterocomicalno, just dunking on sedes

[@christsavesreadromans1096]

I’d imagine most magic doesn’t involve the influence of demons, though I don’t think that rules out certain kinds of magic. You do hear exorcists sometimes say levitation exists in exorcisms. How would you explain Criss Angel levitating Shaq or those teleportation magic tricks?

[@Deuterocomical]

Indeed! The supernatural and demonic exist. But levitations in case of possession happen involuntarily. The fact that magicians like Criss Angel can appear to levitate at will tells us that it isn't due to possession and is a natural method. The last minute of this video shows how Shaq can levitate using wires and a crane. Which teleportation trick are you referring to?

[@christsavesreadromans1096]

@@Deuterocomical His video “"Magicians" Prove A Spiritual World Exists (2020 Edition)” about 14:30 minutes in, the one with David Copperfield.

[@Deuterocomical]

@@christsavesreadromans1096 Ah yes, the one where he teleports to Hawaii? That one is an awesome effect! It's especially powerful because he throws a ball into the audience, which proves that the spectators are not in on the trick, and the use of a polaroid picture and initials chosen by the random audience members, which proves that the video of them on the beach is NOT pre-recorded. So how is it done? It seems that Copperfield and the person who teleports with him (who is of course, in on the trick) go back stage to a set-piece that they created to look like the beach, which is truly live streamed to the audience. I don't know the exact mechanism by which he gets from the platform to backstage, but there are countless methods that have been used by magicians to achieve that. There is a video by "Trickbusters" that gives a plausible method for that.

[@christsavesreadromans1096]

@@Deuterocomical I don’t know how that can be the case, for one they didn’t disappear into the ground or something they were in an open space, and on an elevated platform, and then they simply disappeared. They didn’t walk off the platform, at least it doesn’t seem that way. And the waves, clouds look very realistic, how could it be a set?

[@Deuterocomical]

@@christsavesreadromans1096 Can you really say they were in an "open space" when they used a curtain to cover up the method they used? If they were truly teleporting, the curtain would not be necessary, and would in fact make the trick not as good. The set piece could also contain a green screen in the background (notice that the young man only goes up to his ankles in the shallow water before David tells him to come out, why?) But like I said, I don't exactly how that trick is done, which is what makes it so much fun! Being able to say "that's a good trick, it fooled me!" is the mature response. Saying "it must be demons" is the childish response.

[@palisadessilver2258]

How was the wall trick modified to the Great Wall of China? I'm confused since there is no holes or break to walk around the structure...

[@krjohnson29]

They probably just used the same side of the building and switched the camera around so it looked like it was the other side of the wall. Assuming it was even done real time.

[@Deuterocomical]

I believe there are gaps in the Great Wall (assuming it was actually the Great Wall and not just a replica). Also, there is the option of being lifted over via helicopter

[@enslavedbytruth]

A couple of ladders...a rope and a winch...scaffolding...etc

[@floridaman318]

Making a living as a stage magician is still a sin, though.

[@Deuterocomical]

Not necessarily. You can definitely be a magician without promoting the occult.

[@DimondData]

Hey @Deuterocomical on minute 28:51 you say that there is is only 2 options, and that you would be extending the best possible option of sarabite mike being lazy. But you didn't include the version I am aware I believed when I was a dimondite. Why? You even say "If you have any other possibility, let me know" Is not as if you are obligated to put more options, but it seems odd to ask for feedback, get it from someone who was in the cult, and then dismissed it and ask again for feedback as if no other options were offered to you. At least you could had said "someone else told me another alternative, but that alternative was so crazy that I decided to not include it" which would make (sort of) sense, since many of the beliefs of the dimonds are weird. But anywho, I am just curious as to what led you to that praxis. If you had included my option it would had made your video more persuasive and fair and that could had helped the dimondites exit their cult. But now, with option 3 being deliberately hidden, I wonder what the effect would be on them, if at all. For instance, imagine the following. A person that is currently a dimondite is on this server. He reads this message today (as a dimondite that he is right now) and then, months later, he goes to other dimondites servers or group chats. If he just honestly reports what I told you, and takes screenshots, the dimondites would be able to so easily and persuasively claim that you were hiding info and their positions. And then from that to summarily reject your stance is not that hard It is a missed oportunity for sure. The 3rd position I mentioned is what dimondites believe, is what I believed. I don't know why would that be hard to include, coming from an ex-dimondite of 8 years. Also, think for a second about what your video did states: Opcion 1 is that sarabite mike is lazy, option 2 is that he is a conscious con man and liar for money. Really? If this was a work of fiction, the main villain would be very childish. No one (not you, nor me, etc, etc) thinks of themselves as a villain. We usually do things thinking we are right. Specially for public actions. And the position I told IS the publicly available position of the dimonds. Is the video itself. In that video, sarabite mike is saying, over and over and over and over that he is discerning the spirits, checking shows and giving you the very best examples of black magic. So, is kind of obvious that that's how he perceives himself. Sure, to you it sounds ridiculous and patently false, so perhaps you didn't even register his claims properly. But regardless. It makes the whole video kind of irrelevant within the niche that is supposed to help (dimondites and people who are inclined to the dimonds). It also is kind of worse once people become aware that I told you directly what I did tell you. Because now most people would think they have solid evidence that you are purposelly doing a hit job on the dimonds, a la CNN.

[@marvalice3455]

"nobody thinks of themselves as the villain" No. This is flat out wrong. The true version of this is that nobody can act without being oriented towards something they believe is good, but these are not the same. A man can knowingly and obstinately pursue a good he knows is fake, or significantly less than what he ought to aim for. An adulteress does not think she is a hero for betraying her husband, this is silly. Many people know what they are doing is evil, but do so anyway. That said, evil is objective. Even if you were right and everyone believes they are doing the right thing, that would have absolutely no bearing on the nature of their actions. Though it could potentially lower their culpability, it doesn't make the action anything but what it is

[@marvalice3455]

Also, him legitimately believing what he says _is_ option one. Because he would be going forward with an extremely high stakes accusation without doing the necessary ground work first.

[@renjithjoseph7135]

Your "3rd option" is just option 1. He rules out natural means without doing even a Google search. So he's lazy.

[@marvalice3455]

@@renjithjoseph7135 but think about his feeeeeeeeelings!

[@thelonelysponge5029]

Dude, he’s just a crazy man leading souls to hell.

[@dashry1283]

I thought it was a really good videoand convincing, am i stupid

[@Deuterocomical]

You think their video is still convincing, even after seeing this one? If so, I don’t know what to tell you…

[@marvalice3455]

What matters is if you have the humility to admit when you are wrong. The ability to accept valid correction is a necessary component to prudence

[@AM-tt2wp]

I think the Dimond brothers come off as intelligent to gullible people.

[@skmcee7863]

Thumbnail: “How gullibility lack of research lead to error” Also Thumbnail: posits that MHFM lives in a trailer park which has been demonstrably refuted dozens of times in a vain attempt to mock them 🤣

[@Deuterocomical]

The fact that the only thing you are able to criticize is the thumbnail is a high compliment to me 🙂 Calling it a trailer park isn’t an error due to lack of a research. It’s called a joke (but I know Dimondites struggle with the concept of humor). To compare that to the errors Michael Dimond made in his magician documentary is a false comparison, unless you are claiming that his documentary was just one big series of jokes?

[@skmcee7863]

@@Deuterocomical No, it’s a lie. And again, you display your lack of research. I couldn’t care less about this garbage video or it’s contents, none of this has anything to do with my faith, it’s the opinion of MHFM based on their observations in addition to the words of the Catholic saints concerning “magicians”. And your trailer park remark is a lie since it’s constantly perpetuated about MHFM and it misleads people into thinking MHFM lives in a trailer park, which is false.

[@calebadcock363]

@@skmcee7863Bro he literally just said IT’S A JOKE. There is no claim about the residence of the Dimonds being made here.

[@skmcee7863]

@@calebadcock363 It’s not merely a joke since many people believe that MHFM lives in a trailer park based on these false accusations and their *lack of research* which would dissuade them from seriously researching MHFM’s content and learning the true Catholic positions. These “jokes” can be the barrier to saving souls.

[@calebadcock363]

@@skmcee7863True Catholic positions such as “magicians are using sorcery to float”?

[@jefferykirschner8816]

nah Michael is right

[@Deuterocomical]

Please say sike

[@jefferykirschner8816]

@@Deuterocomical magicians r of the devil lowk

[@jefferykirschner8816]

@@Deuterocomicalmagicians r evil lowk

[@jefferykirschner8816]

@@Deuterocomical okay buddy

[@dwightschrute900]

Say sike right now

[@TheRomanCatholicChurch]

Obviously the Dimonds failed miserably here in a vain attempt to get clicks for their organization, but that doesn't mean their overall sedevacantist line of argumentation is invalid.

[@Deuterocomical]

Correct, my video does not refute sedevacantism. But it does show that the Dimonds are not always trustworthy, and thus you should be cautious when reading any of their material.

[@TheRomanCatholicChurch]

@@Deuterocomical Yeah, I reject their glorification of non-Catholics like Aristotle and their assertion that one can validly receive the sacerdotal sacramentals from someone outside the Church.

[@skmcee7863]

@@TheRomanCatholicChurch What glorification of Aristotle? You mean Thomism?

[@skmcee7863]

If that was their goal how did they fail? Do you know how many views their magician video has on their Spanish channel?

[@TheRomanCatholicChurch]

@@skmcee7863 Yeah, Thomism is heresy. It's like filtering all the heresies out of Muhammad's writings and then mandating that we study it. Would you accept that? I doubt it.

[@fieldinterference]

51:00 I agree with your conclusion, but I unsubscribed because I genuinely think this was an uncharitable exposé. I enjoyed the humor from this channel, but I think more charitable dialogue and less derisive content about catholics would be helpful, especially if they are sedevacantists.

[@Deuterocomical]

I’d be happy to have a dialogue with Dimond on this. Do you think he would be willing to?

[@roundtable3501]

Sedevacantists aren’t Catholic. And the Dimond’s most certainly aren’t. They call a valid pope saint the Antichrist.

[@DimondData]

It was an uncharitable expose. Because he didn't include the alternative I shared with him. What a missed oportunity. Making the dimonds look better when the truth alone would have make the case looked better. shookmyhead.jpg

[@fieldinterference]

@@Deuterocomical No, I don't think so, and after this video, I think they have a good basis to not want to do so.

[@TheBurningWarrior]

There is nothing uncharitable about defending the good name of innocent people (individually or as a class, and both happened in the DB's videos addressed here) when they are unjustly attacked - including when the people attacking them, shall we say, live in glass houses like the Dimond bros do. I subscribed twice as hard after reading your comment (though if KZbin buttons have become pressure sensitive to note the difference, I'll have to count that as one of the magic tricks.)