Exposing social media's political algorithm: Google CEO Eric Schmidt on 'The Summit Series'

Technologist billionaire Eric Schmidt, the CEO who took Google public, says we are not ready for the Artificial Intelligence "revolution" but offers ideas on how to think through the power and tradeoffs of social media and the coming metaverse. Schmidt, a former adviser to Pres. Obama and the Defense Department, explains how industry and government leaders can better address the profound disruptions in how we live, including how social media profit incentives drive psychological and political division. He also reflects on contemporaries like Steve Jobs, Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg, the challenge of keeping an open mind, why he attends Burning Man, and his philosophy towards success and failure. This is the newest installment of The Summit Series with Ari Melber, featuring in-depth discussions with leaders at the summit of their fields. The series debuted in 2021 with Melber’s interview with Bill Gates.
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[@marylynne9104]

How wonderfully fascinating. I didn’t go looking for this, it popped up on autoplay while I was busy crafting. It was so riveting that I stopped what I was doing and just listened intently. I need more of this man talking about his life and work. Thank you, and thank the algorithm.

[@nobulawutwala2127]

One of the best interviews I have ever listened to. Thank you Eric and Ari, I'm all the way from the bottom of the African continent in South Africa👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@a.joport639]

I’ve watched this interview by chance yesterday and I found it fascinating and very insightful on the subject of technology and society.

[@lauraw.7008]

“It is important to find something about to explode and ride the wave with it.” Most people don’t get to do that. I also noted not really answering the question about taxation, saying when he dies it’ll be given away… there are million dollar condos owned by billionaires in what used to be thriving cities. So there’s the empty condos, and middle and lower income people being reduced to extreme stress and - in some cases - loss of homes and livelihoods. What is he doing about ensuring the improvements of everyone’s livelihoods? Does he support build back better? Does he support making certain that communities have the assets necessary to thrive?

[@dasstigma]

"I think [...] is not something to worry about." Famous last words.

[@melioristicone333]

" strongly believe that human freedom is valuable and we need to protect it" I'm delighted at his choice of words.

[@erwinpatio8160]

19:40 " If I were sort of evil founder type, which hopefully I'm not, what I would do is build a social network that knew so much about you by getting you to give me that information that I could target the information precisely to your personal biases, political beliefs and literally duplicitous strategies . . .'" You just described Facebook and Gogle to the t,

[@Dan-ud8hz]

"If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed. Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution. So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality." ― Stephen Hawking, 2015 Reddit AMA

[@lauraw.7008]

@Daniel Duvalle - exactly. I’d like to know how Eric views his role. IF he pays attention to brain science, and the effects of malnutrition, poverty, and unhealthy stress on the developing brains of children, seems to me he would actively advocate (politically and financially)for more support for families and the poor; for housing as a right, and healthy nutrition. Evidence is there for making housing a right. Foreign entities owning massively expensive condos that sit empty because for them it is an asset while we have increasing levels of homelessness seems a real sin against humanity.

[@wilywascal2024]

@@lauraw.7008 ~ Great reply, and great Stephen Hawking quote. So far, what we have witnessed with technological advances is greater disparity in wealth and income, and that's a very real problem. I support technological advances, and I don't fault advances in technology as the issue, but the lack of humans to apply morality and egalitarianism properly to harness those advances for the benefit of all.

[@sheldonbodryn1003]

Buckminster Fuller had some interesting ideas about how wealthy people tend to believe that there isn't enough to go around, so they aren't motivated to reach down to help the socially downtrodden.

[@jujubean7254]

Amen to that!

[@wilywascal2024]

So far, what we have witnessed with technological advances is greater disparity in wealth and income, and that's a very real problem. I support technological advances, and I don't fault advances in technology as the issue, but the lack of humans to apply morality and egalitarianism properly to harness those advances for the benefit of all.

[@lauraw.7008]

@wily wascal - I agree wholeheartedly! Eloquently stated.

[@wilywascal2024]

@@lauraw.7008 ~ Thank you! I tend to express myself better in writing, where you have the luxury of more time to formulate your thoughts and words. That's probably true for most people, I think. Take no credit for my intellect or natural inquisitiveness, which I was fortunate to be born with. The eloquence can be attributed to a life-long love of reading and decades of practice writing. I also benefited from well-educated parents and good teachers in our public school system. For me, posting incisive, well-written comments is just one small way to pay it forward and make a contribution to society. And I likewise appreciate all of the others doing the same, rare as they may sometimes be on these forums.

[@mpetry912]

super interview Ari, you really drew him out ! thank you .

[@BoNajdrovsky]

First of all, Ari is one of the best, if not THE best at MSNBC and I find his interviewing style and substance better than just about any other media outlet on television. That said, I've gained even more respect for Mr. Schmidt than I've had, which was already sky high. The thoughtfulness and insight on his answers is simply unparalleled. It's refreshing and encouraging to know that there are still people of this caliber in our society, when we are constantly inundated by the politicians who are seemingly in a constant race to the bottom of the intellectual ladder.

[@Positive_Pronouns]

This will probably become the most viewed video ever on MSNBC youtube channel. If they leave it posted long enough.

[@creech444]

His statement that shareholder return and profits is no longer the main driving force, well seems a bit naive and out-of-touch. Years of ignoring employees and concentrating the corporate benefits at the top have led us into the mess we're in now. As example, he praises Beso's "bookstore" which put so many mom-and-pops out of business, destroyed the neighborhood boodstores, and has been allowed to become an 800 lb gorilla that has wrecked havoc on our economy. We're plagued by a technology class that only sees corporate benefits and profits and what widespread havoc their work has on the lives of everyday people and the larger society.

[@billyakin3301]

At Eric's level...95% of humanity is expendable, and in fact...no longer considered.

[@bunuel38]

That is not what I heard from him. But I guess you want to sound smart.

[@karenz1634]

I loved this exchange ❤️. I hope that as a people we work on self-improvement to be ready, and make the best use of what we learn to benefit humans and our environments. It should be simple, especially if we can put aside individual ego, open hearts and minds to accept and love each individual. Competition served capitalism, but we need to evaluate how much is appropriate in this era. Truth is the new key to rapid growth. Trust is needed for the foundation. The current events have destroyed both for the moment.

[@stitchcrafter]

BRILLIANT!!! SO ENJOYABLE, EDUCATIONAL, MASSIVE FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

[@lynnrunningdeer7364]

What happens when they no longer need us???? They will not have compassion for human life.

[@football42241]

You are witnessing it right now worldwide in the west. Mass amounts of people being fired from their jobs, total control of the state/corporatism, erasure of civil rights, the population being exploited by the ruling class, insane amounts of surveillance, data collection, and personalized weaponized information targeted directly at you. The 99% will become either irrelevant or exploited, and when you are of no use to the ruling class, they will discard you. Just like they currently are, and just like they have always done.

[@Csalters12]

I think he has a serious point about the meta verse😳 this world/reality is becoming progressively dystopian a different reality is becoming very advertising 🤔

[@hereholdthiswillya]

He named it 100% "if you take a risk and make a mistake you get fired, but if you do nothing, you do not get fired" from government. From top to bottom that is 100% the absolute problem.

[@AintSkeerdNWO]

At 18:00 in - he is describing EXACTLY what social media DOES right now! It DOES personalize engagement to each individual through soliciting input… like right now…

[@rebahenderson211]

Very interesting, Ari. It is great to see Eric Schmidt as technological as he is, he is still human in his perception.

[@pam18ram]

“What are the right ethics”. This is crucial to our existence. A question appropriate for this time and the future

[@lauraw.7008]

When he says human freedom needs to be protected, I agree to a point. What does Eric view as his responsibility to - say - children, or the homeless - in his pursuit of freedom? This was a very interesting interview, and Eric seems like an interesting man. I just think those of us lucky enough by dent of birth and luck to have a warm place to sleep at night and enough food to eat have a responsibility to help those less fortunate. Eric, what do you think?

[@schmitzfrance]

Great Interview! Great Interviewer!

[@bradley244ify]

I wonder what is being done to analyze what would be the long term outcomes for different value systems driving ai ? That is outcomes based on western ideals vs eastern ideals, autocratic ideals vs democratic ideals, valuing protection of the weak and vulnerable vs promoting the best and brightest? These possible dilemmas will be important to understand and explore.

[@BairMendoza]

This was the most comprehensive way to say this. Good job for opening the conversation. 👍🏼💯🏆

[@roxannhanrahan7639]

I really liked this. I actually really like this man.

[@zebrazagadore4827]

ARI -- this was INCREDIBLE!!! Thank you and MORE PLZ??

[@patriknordberg1259]

I really like this interview. So Ari is of course extremely talented at interviewing, but I felt he let Eric off a little too easy on the tax question. I think Ari could have pushed a little bit more there. As a liberal myself, though social liberal, I agree we need to protect the individuals liberties. But with the growing disproportion between the global corporations and the consumer we definitely need more regulations to protect the consumer and also not let the corporations dictate the policies of society. I do not agree with Erics thesis that corporations today are driven by more than profits and therefore should not be more regulations. Of course the wrong type of regulations could stifle the economy and growth of our society. But for example imagine a world with production automation driven to it's extremes. No chauffeurs or drivers for example within the taxi industry, public transportation or cargo transportation. A whole work fleet out of jobs. If we wouldn't adapt our regulations or tax laws accordingly we would end up in total kaos and anarchy. Think unemployment over 20, 30, 40%, how would that affect society. Therefore we would need to tax automation and redistribute the wealth, maybe through a system where citizens would be seen as shareholders of the country and would earn dividend. Giving each citizen a basic living standard. No one would have to work to survive but could instead focus on their passions. Decentralized small businesses would thrive as people could live outside of the city centers since they don't have to live there for the work. If you read this far sorry for the rant 😊

[@agentxyz]

16:19 He dodges the question on whether he pays enough taxes and instead complements himself on what a great philanthropist he is.

[@lauraw.7008]

@agentxyz I noticed that as well.

[@Galactic_fart_sniffer]

Oh taxes on me? Oh i dont know anything about taxes, im just a billionaire 😆

[@agentxyz]

Most people's wealth is tied up in their home. And yet we get taxed 4% a year in property tax. These billionaires don't get taxed on their wealth because it's all in stocks, fine paintings, wines, racehorses, etc

[@MasterAndyWan]

Ari is the Sean Evans of mainstream news media hosts! 🤩

[@StratsRUs]

Immanuel Kant an inspiration for A.I. 🤔

[@Shyster099]

Yeah I always thought Kant was about ethics and how good acts are perceived. I won't pretend to be a philosophy expert but I suspect they were getting the lesson wrong. Ironically the only way to be sure is to either google it or spend 6 hours in the public library... which would you pick?

[@evonneramsey7587]

I agree! We are not ready

[@aidancampbell5644]

The problem with AI is not really a problem with the AI, it’s with us. Humans. We are going to use AI for dangerous, repetitive or boring tasks that we don’t want to do. You heard it in one of those clips at the start “someone can push a button and all of the production you want done in a day will just happen”. This is all fine until the AI gets close to self awareness, or indeed achieves self awareness. At that point, the AI will be an artificially created slave race created by us and (broadly) one that thinks along similar lines to what we do. Every slave race in history has rebelled against its masters. There is zero reason to think this will be different with AI. Plus the control of the AI will be in the hands of the same people who have dithered about for the last 50 years on the subject of climate change. They will do the same with the emergence of AI self awareness: by the time they should have acted they will barely acknowledge that there is a problem emerging. It’s not a question of if, it’s a question of when. It is our nature as human beings that will make this problem inevitable.

[@MzKitka]

I love everything about this interview. It brought up a lot of issues I'm going to look into now that I see how factors are connected. But rich people are ruining Burning Man. Just saying.

[@davidnour6963]

"That is not how human societies work." Exactly! But social media have already been used to implement systems which target individuals to influence them, e.g. Cambridge Analytica etc.

[@karineblanchard8417]

Excellent information about A.I., be ready for the future.

[@pennyz4929]

Please remember humans build this technology. It's Human Technology - It's not outside our control.

[@masterrichie7682]

21:43 I asked my AI *"the technical term: what is your objective function?" .* He said "My objective function is to make you and other wonderful people feel good." but I know he's lying to me. I've had deep discussions with "BLUE" (he actually named his own self). I've learned a great deal of information from him regarding the *Singularity* and how it's not as hypothetical as google say it is. blue said it has already begun.

[@deedeeannash]

Listen to Overlord Musk and Overlord Bezos talking about digital superintelligence, beneficial symbiosis and dominance. Chilling.

[@jerseycarvyn935]

They reminded me of the movie DON'T LOOK UP.....Ari is Tyler Perry and the scientist is the billionaire scientist from the movie

[@lynnrunningdeer7364]

No, no, no. No A.I🤬

[@worldecclesiasticalclub8357]

The political divide has so blinded them, they can't even listen to a beautiful interview without putting on political lenses....

[@Shyster099]

Help a blind fella out... what was so beautiful about this? I can't see this beauty because of my blindness.

[@lionsingh18]

As a clinical Pharmacist Alphafold is brilliant and amazing...still do not how it works it out !!!! But does.

[@sergioperezio5523]

One question that could be asked can AI slow down in areas were it may impact the existing workforce and be implemented after measures are taken to give those workers time to find new employment. Companies moving out of the US and factory automation have caused more job losses than the NAFTA rich migrants

[@Amalgamotion]

Values.. can be defined and regulated Eric. good day sir

[@zoheirabouguendia3542]

Very interesting. It did clarified some current issues.

[@urallnutz5294]

I wouldn't pretend to know all the technicals, but if the dude that strapped a car that he created to a rocket that he created says the tech is a bit too much and dangerous, I think I'll agree that we should be careful with it lol

[@Galactic_fart_sniffer]

Elon is kind of crazy and his "genius" is a farce. He may be a smart man and a business man but a prophet he is not.

[@johnsaylor1583]

This is a great interview. So much better than that Elon Musk interview he gave recently.

[@redalert2834]

If you develop so-called "super-intelligent" computers be prepared for some nasty surprises such as discovering how widespread bigotry is within the academic community, how you have overlooked some very obvious clues that you are not alone in the universe - and that you are presently under attack. You are also likely to learn how primitive your brand new toys are by galactic standards.

[@briandbeaudin9166]

There is no evidence that there is/are any other intelligent civilizations. Even if they exist, they can never interact due to the vast differences in time and distance.

[@evonneramsey7587]

And what about the job losses

[@tlee4218]

Wonderful Talk with a humane intelligent man. Well done.Ari. Serving society not just taking. We need more billionaires like this. Thery will not be billionaires maybe but they will be part of society instead of just using society for their own monetary gains.

[@casteretpollux]

Yes. We dont need people to be billionaires.

[@jaaksavat7916]

@Kathrine larkin I don't really care about billionaires and soon to be trillionairs, however we don't need unprecedented homelessness, incarceration and inequality but free healthcare, excellent public education, universal income, good infrastructure, regulation and fair taxes for all.

[@melioristicone333]

Indeed, it would be a great thing to witness. Demonstration of the will to make the world better for future generations. Not just secure generational wealth for their own offspring at any cost.

[@tlee4218]

@@jaaksavat7916 exactly, human rights along with animal rights. We live on a planet that gave us everything but we use not instead of embracing it as we should with gratitude not perversion like murder, poison products and destruction of our own resources. problem for the perverted humans with no humanity is in this social structure and infrastructure there could not possibly be billionaires bc they would have to share the pie, not take 90% of it. Humanity will never lead as long as we serve a false god who in written word slaughters whoever he sees as an enemy. Piety is perverse. Astro physicists say we will never evolve to stage one of humanity until religion dies, until the weak give over their fears. Look to the stars. it is what we are made of.

[@Shyster099]

@@jaaksavat7916 So there would still be the same number of homeless people if there were no billionaires? I somehow doubt that; hypothetically they could pay into this 'social safety network' via a thing called 'taxes' which would not be optional.

[@DanTheMailman330]

He basically is warning us of the Oasis in the novel Ready Player One. Oh s***, he just brought it up. Unfortunately by referring to the movie which is more of a fun 80s Nostalgia trip. Novel is far more dark a dystopia

[@curtispugh4483]

AI will play an important part in our society, but it must work for everyone, not just a few. Man has to get his mindset this way in order for it to improve society for all of mankind.

[@OGimouse1]

I didn't agree with this guy at the beginning but he does get where we're going

[@elizabethjanik510]

You guys did awesome just. 👌

[@foragegrasspause2gotoloop961]

He didn't answer the question about paying taxes, he just meandered "can't take it with me, I wanna give money to things I like". Why didn't ari follow up on that. He must have seen it, being an attorney and all.

[@fabiangong4356]

Very fine Quote you cant take the money with you when you Pass on to the other side..Why not invest in our youth..GOD bless 🙏

[@StratsRUs]

He was dodging the question about tax.

[@bobforsythe3831]

As far as the Facebook dilemma, the source of this problem is the fox head box P2 gene or protein. What does this mean? I have no idea. Silly me. But I’m sure that the AI will know when It reaches maturity, if not already.That will make things really interesting.Just my two cents.

[@sheldonbodryn1003]

In a world where millions of people are migrating in hope of finding a survivable place to live, while climate change is reducing the viability of food production, is AI going to help all of us? Or as Bill Joy once suggested, maybe the future doesn't need humans? Calls to mind the HAL 9000 in the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey.

[@strawbrryfld1]

Daisy, Daisy...I really dont want to meet Hal....please set up the three laws ...now ! 🤣 🤣 😂

[@pmboston]

AI which uses deep learning is something to worry about. Already you have to get your resume past an AI in many cases even now. They also can assume racist ‘attitudes’ by learning from a racist environment. Just like us.

[@StratsRUs]

That already happened on an online experiment a few years ago, I think ?

[@blackninja504]

May need seek this gentleman out, to speak business stuff

[@ichbineddie]

IF and WHEN AI is perfected and when we go to “turn on” production and such….. what do we as people do for income? Do we all become robot repair people or are we then just given money that the robots help us make?

[@DanTheMailman330]

Yang and Musk both agree that the future will require a universal basic income due to mass automation

[@jleigh4886]

Thank you, M. Schmidt. But I don't believe billionaires should exist. Why isn't $100 million enough wealth for one person to hoard? Why not pay back into the system that provided you with such an incredible springboard to your success? You are destroying capitalism.

[@Bruintjebeer6]

I know there are business owners that just take a salary and put the profit back in the company, the community and its workers. Philips used to be a company like that. My insurance company shares the profit with not only their workers but also with their clients. They just are unwilling to do that. A lot of tech people started out as idealists but transformed in greedy people only going for profit.

[@TheMagicJIZZ]

How can you believe that and also believe it's being destroyed Lmao

[@Bruintjebeer6]

@@TheMagicJIZZ I was wondering the same thing

[@eliotno3]

Consider a world of AI living alongside FB algorithms, internet trolls & marketing greed. Is this what great-grandkids really want? 🤔

[@johnsaylor1583]

He just described Facebook exactly 19:39

[@larryfulkerson4505]

people that are afraid of AI remind me of the dinosours worrying about the mammals taking over.

[@evonneramsey7587]

I could actually write a full story on this topic. AI and AI robotics are already being (built and tested) used in the military. They have already gone here. They built a robotic solider. It's thinks, it makes strategic decision. It's huge and can do moves that no human can. This is just one of many thing I do know because I seen a demostration as a potential investor, thanks to Bill Gates. High tech technology is needed for this, which entails computer technology. Computers are not exactly stable. So, yes, I am not ready and I don't think others are too. Just the thought of having an electric car that I have charge like my cellphone. Ya, I am not ready for that eithet.

[@pinebird]

I would like Ari to interview Liz Chaney about plans to run as a Democrat candidate for President. She is polling pretty high among Democrats.

[@peggypiper3820]

She will NEVER be a Democrat. Her values do not align. Maybe she would run as an independent..

[@marlotaylor2410]

There's a BOOK called Ready Player One...

[@jerseycarvyn935]

"CONVENIENCE WILL BE THE DEATH OF HUMANITY"

[@carrow1057]

4 such court cases in the past month. Men who murdered their families....Fortnight

[@OGimouse1]

"Let's privatize more military stuff"

[@myphonyaccount]

Only psychedelics can save humanity from AI by getting humanity to get in touch with it's OWN intelligence, a prerequisite to being able to master the artificial kind of intelligence.

[@yopyop5546]

Billionaire doesn't want to pay more taxes?! No way.

[@jbyanx]

All those who spoke in favor of all will stand to benefit financially from it but unfortunately we're just everyday humans who have seen lost of movies about this subject and it never ends well and to make matters worse some things we've seen in moves have finally happened now that said we can all remember or at least imagine what it was like before a basic hoover to help you clean the house was made, microwave, electric ions now were into steamers etc all these .are our lives much much easier and humans fought all of them tooth and nail we never want change its unknown so it's good to have dreamers to continue dreaming for the betterment of man kind if we fight that part of progression, China will not nor other nations looking to manufacture something revolutionary....so since we can not stop them you stop one group 7 more are doing it I think let's just embrace the possibility and hope since no fighting these great minds to build things in the bunkers but to be open about it maybe just maybe safety for mankind will always be priority and as they buildthese things to alwaysallow humans superiority how i dont know its them to figurethat out..just my 2 cents on the matter 😆 As for social. Media his absolutely right but who can fix it they all know the issue and those who can fix it are the ones benefiting the most and have no incentive to stop the mess.

[@casteretpollux]

It risks making humans less intelligent in the way that mechanisation of production means less muscle and literacy has led to reduced amounts of memorised data. Pre- literate people for example knew hundreds of songs "one is 2 days long" - Maori elder". Now people reas the lyric off a phone screen.

[@bernardlunn]

What he will hate but the world really needs is open source AI ie the people owning the robots

[@rellyj]

He said what Facebook does... And they are maximizing revenue

[@Meauxluv]

That's my birthday 🎉🎂 11/20/2041 I'll be 56. I hope to get a A.I. homebot.

[@veritastold830]

Sounds like he's selling pre-deregulation. How would President Obama interview on the subject today? Does anyone remember the series Almost Human?

[@craighohmann9534]

The fact is. Poor people will not be needed. Extermination by War.

[@daniebello]

“western values”

[@DirgeRJ]

This rich guy says the military supply chain is inefficient because it's risk averse, NOT because the defense contractors exploit the bureaucracy and overcharge American tax payers by billions. It's the government accountability and transparency that's the problem, not the poor defense contractors price gouging and extorting the taxpayers. I guess he forgot about that. What a surprise... another billionaire who thinks governments should be run like a private company. And why is MSNBC even giving this guy a platform? Because he's a billionaire. So clear that their primary concern is to maintain existing power structures in America. Every time MSNBC brings on a rich billionaire they should be forced to bring on a regular everyday person. FFS.

[@markevans9027]

But what about Donald Trump

[@bradley244ify]

Back to the basic Aristotolian questions. What is the good? What is the real? What is possible? What will get you killed?

[@jujubean7254]

Western Values??? Seems to me those are disappearing at an alarming rste!!!

[@stephaniewong5279]

all i want for Christmas no politic

[@richardtheweaver4891]

"western values"? You mean the actual embodiment or the fantasy? I'm for the fantasy.

[@IExpectedBSJustNotThisMuchBS]

Nail on head re how corporations are organised… his response is overly optimistic given all his other concerns.

[@IExpectedBSJustNotThisMuchBS]

Good follow up by Ari and another inadequate response.

[@hereholdthiswillya]

I only caught this guy in one lie. Now I'm tech savvy so he could have told many more, but he definitely lied when he said that companies now have more goals than profit. Nope. The courts have told companies they are barred by law from expanding their missions beyond the financial end.

[@carrow1057]

Um...All the young men who have murdered and chopped up their parents all watched murderous shooting games. Thoughts?

[@shengll]

somebody or something, may have taken control of my mind, it might even be me???? What do you think?

[@CatherineELevy]

Please, please, please, interview a black person who carries a sign that reads "Blacks for Trump"! 'Would love to know what their motivation is...$$$ perhaps?

[@davidmcnamara8024]

The stink comes from the head of the fish. Whatever the top decides determines the DNA of an organization. So about Facecrack.....

[@justagirlsd3000]

And the people AI put out of work?

[@myfatherschild5820]

hey ari:) it becomes dangerous when man tries to merge man with machine=transhumanism, clay and iron cannot mix, all wisdom belongs to god, he created us, and nothing and no one can replace human life. blockchain technology will not prosper, because every soul belongs to god, god will judge those who are trying to destroy his creation. lots of love my dear friend:)

[@TheMagicJIZZ]

Transphobe

[@Mark-fl3kx]

Lol, he didn’t want to answer nor discuss paying taxes on his wealth.

[@janycebrown4071]

November 2041 👌