EXPOSING the MOST TELLING TAYLOR SWIFT Song… That’s NOT???! Swiftie Discusses Renegade by BRM Lyrics

[@freckledandred]

I think what she meant by folklore and evermore being fictional meaning the characters were fictional, not the feelings and emotions.

[@NinasNook]

@@freckledandred I agree! The emotions were 100% not fictional. I think she just told us they were fictional and used “characters” so she wouldn’t have people looking into the albums and seeing the unhappy feelings she had. She did the same with Midnights, stating it was about 13 “midnights” she had throughout her life so we didn’t know when she wrote all the sad. 😂

[@jessicatredway3760]

...I think she was lying and using subterfuge to protect her relationship. Like during the era she told us that she was writing primarily fictional songs but if you look at them not all of them are fictional like clearly seven Marjorie, mirror ball, closure, long story short and probably a few others I can't think of write now are based on Taylor's life. At the time I thought she was still writing songs about joe but picking out the songs that were too detailed about the relationship and not releasing those (and if you assume a 2:1 too personal:joe approved ratio means a truly dizzying amount of songs were written in quarantine) but I think what she was actually doing is writing songs about joe and saying, "oh no baby, this totally isn't about you, this is just my art." And joe like a dumby believed her. And to be fair so did most of the fans.

[@katvz857]

So interesting! Thx for posting. Carrying his baggage also makes me think about “My spine split from carrying us up the hill”

[@NinasNook]

Yes! I love that connection!

[@ccampbellmusic]

Thank you for breaking down one of my faaaaavourite Taylor songs and I agree with everything you said. As a fellow English graduate I appreciate your channel so much!

[@TheCinder24]

I think it is crazy that when people figure out that a lot of the songs on Folklore, Evermore and Midnights are in reality about Taylor's feelings, they get all butt hurt. It was a way to write without all of the scrutiny. Her relationship was not in good shape. I have a feeling they broke up many times and then somehow 'turned it right around' again and again. I love Renegade. I hope she plays it on the Eras tour before it ends. Maybe with Aaron...

[@NinasNook]

Yes! There was a source (I believe People?) who said something to the effect of they had drifted apart before but always found there way back to each other in the end. I also assume they were on again off again privately for years, likely the major riff beginning around 2019ish if I had to guess. She needed a way to be able to write her emotions and get out her feelings while protecting someone she loved and not pointing to the problems she had.

[@Gosgos666]

Renegade is the rosetta stone of their relationship and its demise and I'll die on this hill.

[@Tw1nr0va]

I just discovered you Nina and I am obsessed with what you've talked about here. Renegade to me was always just sitting there as a huge window into their relationship and how Joe treated her. Also, "you squeeze my hand when I'm about to leave" is a direct parallel to reputation on New Year's Day when she says "squeeze my hand 3 times in the back of the taxi." These are the only times in Taylor's entire discography where she says "squeeze my hand." I think it's intentional she put that there. It's also intentional that she put it on a Big Red Machine song. It puts less eyes on it but allows her to be as vulnerable as she's in TTPD!

[@Brooks430]

I always knew this was about Joe because I read what Aaron said back then. But I also always thought Betty was inspired by something that actually happened with Joe too.

[@NinasNook]

I also think Betty was inspired by actual events. Our fictional love triangle at least emotionally I do not believe was very fictional.

[@StarBuck-v8k]

Yes agree. I also have felt Renegade is very Call it what You Want coded. It’s almost like the tables turned. My castles crumbled overnight to if I had known how many pieces you had crumbled into. Then, all my flowers grew back as thorns windows boarded up after the storm to open the blinds let me see your face. Also I tapped on your window, on your darkest night… from starry eyes sparkin’ up my darkest night. Walk-in’ with his head down in the one he’s walk-in’ to to carry your baggage up my street. He built a fire just to keep me warm to there was no room for me to stay but I stayed anyway. I also think there is a lot to unpack about the song the Alcott as well. It was probably written between Your losing me and Midnights Era, when Matty was in the studio with her. Her lyrics to the Alcott and the timing is something to think about. The album was announced August2022 & produced between May & August 2022. This is the timeline for Taylor writing about the breakup. So many lines lead to this turmoil and at the end is “I tell you that I think I’m falling back in love with you”.

[@NinasNook]

I LOVE this comparison to Call it what you want it!! I can see all of this and yes yes yes! I also love The Alcott! I haven’t been able to find as much info about the lyric split up but I plan on making a video about it as well. There are so many Easter eggs that aren’t even seen as Easter eggs! Haha

[@StarBuck-v8k]

@ i assume the lyric split is at least she wrote her own part. i would not assume she wrote any part of Matt’s parts. But, i think at least her lyrics and the ones that she sings.

[@NinasNook]

@ that’s what I’m assuming too when I look at it!

[@DessMelissa]

I’ve always felt Renegade was Joe coded and I’ve been obsessed with this song!!! I loved it when I first heard it but then let it fall to the wayside and I’ll forever regret that XD I fixed that after the playlists for the TTPD lyrics came out and she had that one in the Am I Allowed to Cry playlist!!! (Which was my favorite one)

[@Laura-gu7yv]

Oh yes, and there are even more hints. For example this one that I see no one talk about: “my calamitous love and insurmountable grief” = my sad rocky relationship and the sale of my masters.

[@shirleyparkersk]

I think the use of the expression 'future history' is SO CLEVER. That woman is a writer.

[@NinasNook]

I do too! She is SUCH a writer first and foremost and I love that about her.

[@shirleyparkersk]

@@NinasNook I guess this is her secret for both connect with people and then to earn respect of people that knows talent. I realize a lot of my favorite musical references comes from great lyrics so it made absolute sense I became her fan with folk/evermore and now I recognize her old lyrics as great as well.

[@morganylong5555]

“Squeezed my hand as i’m about to leave” kinda comes up in Cornelia Street too - she tried to leave in that song too…

[@swiftiefolk]

RENEGADE IS MY FAV MISC SONG LOVE IT SM ESPECIALLY THE LINE “ let all your damage damage me” hits really hard when someone lets their own issues hurt you more when you pushed away all your emotions to support that one person! TY for covering this song!

[@NinasNook]

Thank you so much for watching! I’m so happy you enjoyed it. There are so many amazing parts of this song it’s so hard to even pick a favorite but that line is definitely top for me!

[@emmavink]

Except she inflicted that damage. Listen to Afterglow and The Great War again. Joe's fault was that he didn't break up with her in 2019. He let resentment over that massive fight build up and it made him emotionally detach from everything, not just from Taylor ("you sacrificed us to the gods of your bluest days").

[@swiftiefolk]

@@emmavink thank you for telling me! I was talking about what that line means to me but that’s actually understandable!

[@emmavink]

@@swiftiefolk I also think from lyrics over her entire career, than Taylor's own insecurity that eventually bubbled over into this big fight with Joe comes directly from men who have hurt her in the past. I think John Mayer specifically left her with trauma that she only really started working through on Would've Could've Should've. I suspect that this is why an introverted guy like Joe would have stayed initially after a big fight like that. I also think that if the pandemic hadn't happened and Taylor and Joe didn't realise that they loved writing sad songs together, that they would have broken up much earlier 😢 Just speculation from a variety of lyrics on a variety of songs from Reputation onwards 😅 Ultimately, they both made their own mistakes and it just ended. No need for villains or victims. They were just too different and it didn't work 😢

[@swiftiefolk]

@@emmavink ​ @emmavink I totally agree with you. Dear John saved my life when The person I was talking about relating the line “ let all your damage damage me” to left me. It was really traumatic for me and I only started getting over it. Me and him had separate lives it was for the better!🤍

[@shawnacomis6501]

I might do a video of my own on this but I think there’s a connection with “baggage, and carrying the relationship” between renegade, and so long London, crazy

[@cindywhite3527]

I agree with you! I don’t think she wanted to expose this part of her life and these emotions on her own album. Thanks for pointing that out to us! She is so talented and writes such wonderful songs that we can really identify with. That’s why I enjoy her songs so much! She has a gift for writing out emotions out beautifully! I enjoyed your You Tube video. It is very observant of you and helps us understand her more fully. Thanks for your hard work! You are fun to listen to help us understand her songs so much better! Thanks again! 🌈😍🥰💕❤️♥️🦋🌸

[@NinasNook]

Thank you! I’m glad you found it helpful! 🥰

[@cindywhite3527]

You’re welcome! I can’t wait to watch the next video you make! Great job!

[@wephotogal]

I love this breakdown. Also, you can post her music at normal speed without copyright worry if it's under 30 seconds at a time.

[@evelynleslie2633]

GOD this song is a punch in the gut. I remember it coming out within a few days of me getting sober, so fair to say I was blasting it on repeat that whole time. I love this song so much

[@wasiqakram6886]

Omg this makes soooo much sense… good work girlie ❤❤

[@NinasNook]

Oh thank you so much! I have so much fun diving into it all! Hahaha I’m so glad you enjoyed it!

[@christinamitchell5794]

I love Renegade and it is completely underrated and underknown.

[@strngenchantedgirl]

It sounded like Joe had avoidant attachment issues. Pushing her away and then stopping her from leaving.

[@NinasNook]

This is definitely possible!

[@sonnymc4677]

I absolutely love Renegade, such amazing and devastating lyrics. Between You're Losing Me and Renegade you get a pretty clear picture of the Taylor/Joe relationship.

[@NinasNook]

I agree! You’re Losing Me is so heartbreaking, we’ll have to cover it one day. I actually have a “Taytoo” based on lyrics from You’re Losing me!

[@emmavink]

Afterglow/The Great War and then Exile are far more accurate beginning points that led up to You're Losing Me and Renegade.

[@mariabeaulieu3732]

IT IS SUCH A GOOD SONG! YOU ARE RIGHT! She’s remarkable, truly. Such an extraordinary artist. Lucky us!

[@NinasNook]

LUCKY US! How lucky are we to live in the time of Tswift!

[@sueecavanau]

I just listened to the grammy performance from 2021 and Taylor's flawless performance from August, Willow, Cardigan - the whole thing about Peter Losing Wendy . . . all of these songs seem to be about Matty Healy. He's the Peter Pan archetype personified. Please go back and watch her grammy performance and tell me if all of these songs were about Matty Healy and she saw the writing on the wall even back then "...you'd come back to me...I knew you'd linger like a tatoo kiss. . . oh my gosh the longing for him to come back to her after years and years." I need experts who know more than I to enlighten me. Thanks for your amazing channel!

[@NinasNook]

@@sueecavanau 100%, at least in my opinion! I’m planning a video on the fictional love triangle! She also mouthed “I this song is about you, I love you.” During Cardigan after Matt Healy mouthed those same words at his show the night before. I think that’s practically confirmation from the Queen herself.

[@sueecavanau]

@@NinasNook Oh my gosh that's so shocking to me. I just recently became very deeply interested in all of Taylor's music and lyrics since the Eras tour after having only a casual acquaintance with her music all these years. I'm just so stunned at the depth of her lyrics and the beauty of her vocals. I really just had no idea! Of course, during most of her career I was teaching writing and working 60 hours a week, so didn't have a lot of free time to explore things like this, and now I'm retired. I still just can't tell you how floored I have been taking a deep dive since her tour started. I've found myself digging into Matty Healy's life and career, and I most definitely see why Taylor had the major hots for him. I think he's very sexy in the way he sings and moves his body - and I can see her being very attracted to his intellect and depth. But this after reading and listening a LOT about him (I just keep learning more, which led to more, then more, then more, etc. after I kept finding out details about his life) - well, he really seems like a brilliant, but immature prick that happens to sing and move his body in a very sexy way. He has charisma coming out of his pores, but it doesn't take a lot to look past it and see the massive EGO that is behind it. And this is just what I've seen on youtube and the internet - I can't imagine what she had to turn a blind eye to in order to delude herself into falling in love with him. I have no judgment about her falling for him - I've done the exact same thing and ignored massive red flags because I was so head over heals. The drugs and smoking - Whew! He's such a bad boy, but like I said, I can totally see him gazing at her starry-eyed and her believing everything his lying eyes told her. I know it's a moot point because she's moved on, but wow, I just can't get over the scathing "Smallest Man Who Ever Lived" song and how she really hit below the belt. I've never seen someone do revenge quite like her and I have to confess I secretly love it and I think a lot of people have secret revenge fantasies about abusers getting their due. I'll stop there, but the John Mayers songs were about the most cruel and justified songs I've ever heard and just can't believe how vicious she is with the pen. I'm really getting some vicarious thrill out the sweet justice she meted out to her ex-boyfriends, and almost feel guilty about how much I've enjoyed it! I'll be listening/watching to your interesting channel about all of the other things you are talking about. Taylor is my new hobby in retirement! And congratulations on your English degree!

[@mikedebruyn]

@@NinasNook That is not necessary true, that it is about you does not automatically have to mean that it was written about that person, it means that at that time that song fits that person. As an example you sing about a person who creates butterflies in your stomach. That one could at the moment of writing be the person you are in love with, or a fictional prince riding a white horse, but if you split up and you sing it 3 years later could it not fit how the new lover makes you feel?. Can't I sing Lover to mine because it is about Taylor's one at that time? And if I can do it, why can't she?

[@Donna-C]

5:34 “How much sad did you think I had in me?”

[@NinasNook]

Yes! She had so much sad. Poor girl was going through it!

[@sandybourdeau9300]

Remember she gave Better Man away as well

[@NinasNook]

She did! I’m so so happy we finally got Taylor’s Version! ❤️

[@Yankeesnapper]

Keep up the great work!❤XO Tracy

[@To_Fun]

Please now do the same with THE ALCOTT!!! 😭✨🫶🏻 SOOOO SOOOO SOOOOOO underrated imo 💔🤧

[@NinasNook]

I will! It’s on my list!

[@To_Fun]

@@NinasNook CAN’T WAIT! 🥹🫶🏻

[@andreachumley2247]

I love this song and I think its great you are discussing it. When I was listening to this song again after TTPD came out the lyrics started to transform for me. I started to think this song is about her relationship with Joe.

[@NinasNook]

Me too! TTPD made me question everything I thought I knew and this was one of the big songs that truly flipped for me.

[@lisarogers3393]

I’ve wondered if Taylor was the “Renegade” when she skipped the country and no one saw her for a year.? Idk, it could’ve been anyone??????? It’s a great song though, I love it. ❤

[@LukaLemons]

i hope she does one day do this as a surprise song, maybe as a mashup with ILIPW. its like Cassandra x Mad Woman. it feels like she is saving it for a special night. and im surprised she hasnt done renegade or Cassandra yet. the 6 taylor swift songs i think are left for her to do as surprise songs that havent been done before are: Thats when Bye bye baby Renegade girl at home Cassandra Only the young i know there is also beautiful ghosts but i feel like Taylor has moved on from that song, and dosent really pay much attention to it anymore.

[@NinasNook]

YES! I was hopeful Toronto the other night we might get Rennegade since Aaron was there but alas, it was Gracie who did a song with her instead. I am BEGGING for Mad woman x Cassandra! If she does it, we’ll be deep diving the surprise song for meaning in that one! Hahaha

[@lyric-dawn]

I think you are 💯 spot on. This is one of my favorite Swift songs, even though she gave it to Dessner. It just didn’t fit on what she was writing next, style-wise, but she wanted it out there. We all know Dessner struggles with anxiety and depression, so it was inevitable that he should like it. Thanks for this breakdown which I fully support!

[@NinasNook]

Thank you so much! It’s one of my favorite TSwift songs too and I’m so glad that she and Dessner got it out in the world for us, even if it wasn’t on a traditional album of hers. ❤️❤️

[@JRT026]

The delivery of the chorus + that insane post chorus is what makes the song one of my favourites Taylor has ever written. I’m baffled at how many new swifties there are and this song still barely makes a sound😭😭

[@NinasNook]

Yes! I never see anyone talk about Renegade and I had to rectify it because I just felt like it says SO MUCH. Haha

[@Nita-zy1tm]

This is one of my favourite songs by her, I knew it was her writing when she put this out and that it was clear that her and Joe were in the trenches. But the lyrical meaning here is so beautiful and it kinda bops? Idk

[@emmavink]

Except Afterglow and The Great War exist. The problem with this entire analysis is that anyone who was really paying attention knew that Taylor and Joe nearly broke up in 2018/2019 already because Taylor seriously accused Joe of cheating, broke his heart by doing this, and then realised that he never cheated. She says loudly and clearly on both songs that he never cheated. She says she is the one that made him blue on Afterglow... So that line, "let all your damage damage me"...she inflicted that initial damage. And his response was to write the opening piano and entire lyrical opening verse of Exile. People weren't paying attention. This stuff happened and the signs were all in the lyrics more than a year before Renegade came out.

[@NinasNook]

I agree they were extremely rocky and I think they were on again off again for years privately. There are other lyrics thought that contradict what she said then. She also states that they “fell victim to interlopers glances” and “soon they’ll go home to their husbands, smug cause they know they can trust him” in How Did it End and now states “my husband is cheating, I want to kill him in Fortnight.” I’m not saying he did cheat, but there are other lyrics to look at too. Also, Taylor may be the one who blew it up, we just don’t really know. The Great War is extremely important when looking at their relationship and I plan to go over that song too. I don’t think she has bad feeling towards Joe though, I think she tried for years to make it work, whether it was her accusing him of things or him being private while she wanted to bejewel. Ultimately I think she said it best when she said, “they learned the right steps to different dances.” They just ended up being different people who wanted different things.

[@emmavink]

@NinasNook I've heard some of these arguments before and they are usually taken out if the context they are presented in. Interloper's glances are everyone else speculating about their relationship. A glance is not an involvement. It's reminiscent of a fear of big brother-like monitoring that she can't control (like she expanded on in her interview for Peace on the Long Pond sessions). "Soon they'll go home to their husbands, smug cause they know they can trust him" has nothing to do with the person she is with having cheated. Lyrical analysis shows it can't be because she never qualifies it by relating to her own situation. You can't say you don't understand how it ended if you've suggested cheating was involved. The song is literally her admitting that she still doesn't understand how or why it ended other than the fact that he was too introverted and she was too extroverted. It would be very poor writing if she was accusing him of cheating, then saying she doesn't know how it ended. On Fortnight, there is a strong argument to make from the lyrics that she is setting up a fictional scenario where the former lover's wife is cheating with the female character's own husband. That's how I understood the song the first time that I heard it. I understood the whole song to be about Healy at different stages of their time between hooking up in 2014, being together in 2023, and her then telling us he cheated on her in Smallest Man and in Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus. There are no other songs across the 6 albums involving Joe where she suggests either that he cheated or that they were ever on and off. At least for Joe, as he said in the only comment he's given about Taylor since they broke up, it was 6 years of a fully committed relationship. There are one or two lyrics that hint that she suspected him of cheating, but only based on her own insecurities. Even in Fresh Out The Slammer, it's all her own insecurities, "He was with her in dreams" is her own insecurity. Unless he was so cruel that he told her directly that he was dreaming of another woman, no one can know or claim what another person dreams about. If Taylor had meant daydream, for example, she would have said it. And not one lyric involving Joe has ever suggested he was intentionally cruel. I also don't have any specific personal attachment to Joe. All of this is based on previous lyrical analysis of Boyfriend A. And my own personal knowledge of her as a writer. If someone has cheated on her, she says so. Loudly and clearly. And she doesn't wish future love for someone who betrayed her in any of the songs I know of? Which she does twice in So Long London. I've been thinking about this a LOT since TTPD came out in April...obviously 🙈 The Manuscript makes it quite clear that she is talking about all her songs about all of her big relationships since John Mayer until now. Not just songs from TTPD. I just feel, based on the total weight of evidence, that Afterglow was the beginning of the end 😢

[@Tw1nr0va]

"Anyone who was really paying attention" with all due respect, comes across incredibly arrogant. What you are saying is not known fact. I can make interpretations from The Great War, Fresh Out the Slammer, So Long London, hoax, peace, etc that could paint a completely different picture about Joe and him and Taylor's relationship than yours and it may or may not be correct. Just like your interpretation. Do not invalidate an entire video analysis just because you interpret the lyrics differently than she does.

[@emmavink]

@Tw1nr0va to make the interpretations I'm assuming you'd make about those songs, because I've heard the exact same shallow arguments made like parrots about each of those songs, you'd have to be completely ignoring all of the CONTEXT of those songs Taylor herself provided. She TELLS us that Hoax isn't about one person or one relationship in the Long Pond Studio Sessions. She TELLS us that the person "what you did was just as dark" refers to the Scott/Scooter situation. She explains that "don't want no other shade of blue but you" is about her and Joe. This isn't fan speculation. This is Taylor's own verbal confirmation. She carries the imagery and context of using the term "blue" all the way through from the Lover LP. And you'd have to be ignoring all of that context and pretending she's a bad writer who doesn't have continuity in her themes to skew her lyrics to make your arguments valid. I teach textual/discourse analysis at university level to both undergraduate and post graduate level students. I'm not coming into any of these comments with no professional background, since you are going to get rude about it. I speak bluntly both because it's the habit of over 15 years of teaching adults and probably because I'm neurodivergent too. Let's take So Long London. You are probably going to harp on two lines from the song and completely misinterpret them from a linguistic stand point. "I founded the club she's heard great things about" you are going to try to argue refers to cheating. Except that Taylor is describing another woman in the PRESENT TENSE. Aka, AFTER the breakup. She's = She IS. Not She'd= she had. Taylor linguistically isn't hinting that Joe cheated in that line. I'd argue she's referencing the song, "All Of The Girls You've Loved Before". She's sad that now it's another "girl" who's going to be able to benefit from all of the emotional work Taylor put into their relationship. I'd argue it's the same kind of momentary bitterness she discusses in Happiness. "I hope she'll be a beautiful fool, who takes my spot next to you. Sorry I didn't mean that...I can't see facts, through all of my fury..." Again. It's about a new woman in her ex's future and has nothing to do with cheating. Let's take another line in So Long London that so many Swifties have ignored context on and are linguistically interpreting incorrectly. Many of you harp on that their relationship ended because Joe wouldn't marry Taylor... Except she never says this in the song. She says, "I died ON the altar waiting for the proof. You SACRIFICED us to the gods of your BLUEST days." Her lyrics literally mean "you refused to work through your depression in order work as hard as I am working to save our relationship". Why do we know this. Because grammatically, things are sacrificed ON sacrificial altars. People get married AT the altar. Not ON the altar. Taylor says ON the altar and even follows it up with talking about sacrifices. You can try to pretend that grammatical use isn't factually correct all you want to. If you are arguing that this line is about marriage, you are arguing that Taylor is a terrible writer. She uses language EXTREMELY purposefully. She DOES NOT use ON if she meant at. She DOES NOT use DREAM if she meant DAY DREAM. She's also had conflicting lyrics on conflicting songs that suggests not that he just didn't want to marry her, but that their timing was often mismatched and that when he might have wanted to marry her, she was in a different headspace (Champagne Problems, High Infidelity are some I can think of). Since My Boy Only Breaks His Favourite Toys (about ratty Matty), I've even doubted that Paper Rings is about Joe. There is SO MUCH thematic overlap between "play pretend, down at the sandbox" and "I'd marry you with paper rings". This is definitely a suspicion on my part and I happily admit it's open to interpretation. There are obviously many Swift lines and songs open to interpretation. However, all of the examples all of you have parroted (I literally haven't seen a single argument that varies from the lines every other Swiftie lyric denialist throws at me) ignore the grammar and literary/linguistic usage and ignore important context clues from previous lyrics on previous songs and things she has directly said in her own interviews and her direct verbal discussions about songs. The arrogance in thinking you can ignore language based facts to suit what are CLEARLY tabloid based arguments, for example, is something I have zero patience or respect for. You don't actually get to say "it's open to interpretation" when discussing the correct use of language. Unless you are going to claim that Swift is just a bad writer.

[@Tess7]

Renegade is one of her best written songs. I love it.

[@NinasNook]

It truly is! I love it so much!

[@StephanieCasbon-hj2no]

IM OBSESSED TOO! give me more videos, please 🙏

[@NinasNook]

Thank you so much! I’m going to try to do 2-3 a week, thanks so much for watching! ❤️❤️

[@ellenwaffle9440]

Very insightful. I often wondered when i heard it if she was referring to herself.

[@NinasNook]

@@ellenwaffle9440 It’s certainly possible she could consider herself to be a renegade as well, if we read into lyrics she was actively questioning her relationships so she could definitely be thinking of herself at times too. This is why I find her music so so fascinating to dive into!

[@greentearain]

She was so neglected in those rs... I feel so bad she wasted her precious years with that person. p.s. show your kitty please!

[@NinasNook]

@@greentearain I will! I wasn’t sure if anyone would be interested in seeing the cats but I will next time! They’re always lurking. 🐈 And I know! It’s so heartbreaking to hear her say she gave “all of that youth for free.” She was so hopeful it would work out.

[@greentearain]

@NinasNook Taylor is mother of cats and I'm obsessed with the fact that she's a childless cat lady and proud of it. Can't wait for the kitty reveal ❤️

[@emmavink]

No. She tells us on Afterglow that "why'd I have to break what I love so much, it's on your face l, don't walk away, I need to say"... She tells us she was the one that made Joe blue. She tells us that she was the one that she was the one that put both of them in jail. Joe's failing was trying to make it work after she hurt him by accusing him of cheating when he never had in 2018/2019. It takes two people to tango. He gave years of his life to that relationship too.

[@Tw1nr0va]

@@emmavink Why are you hellbent on defending Joe? You keep commenting on so many posts with anyone who disagrees with your narrative. Just because Taylor blamed herself for some of their arguments in her songs doesn't mean she was actually the cause of all the issues. Like you said, it takes two to tango. You do not have proof that she accused him of cheating in 2018/2019 other than how you interpret her songs. Earlier you said you can make a strong argument that Fortnight is fictional. But you use exile as an example despite that actually being likely a fictional narrative as well considering Taylor literally describes it as such in her forward for folklore. Therefore, that point is void. Fresh out the Slammer. "He was with her in dreams" can also be another way of saying daydreaming. There's no other way to interpret that other than he was thinking about someone else in his dreams and or daydreaming. She doesn't mention her insecurities about Joe in the entire song, so why would this all the sudden be about her insecurities? By your logic like you've put in your other many posts, if she felt something she would've just written it. Well she didn't put her insecurites in Fresh Out the Slammer. He was thinking about another woman. So Long London "it isn't right to be scared every day of a love affair., every breath feels like rarest air when you're not sure if he wants to be there." The entirety of that song is about Joe. She's scared of him liking someone else as well at that point and that's what she states in that lyric. That connects directly to Fresh out the Slammer of there being silent dinners where they are bitter and she's unsure if he even wants to be there with her because he's thinking about someone else. Which Taylor also did with Matty. I get your strong opinions about this and you seem passionate to say Taylor was emotionally cheating but the lyrics in The Tortured Poets Department about Joe also suggest emotional cheating significantly. You can't pick and choose how you analyze lyrics just to fit your narrative and then comment on every post that disagrees with your opinion that the interpretation is wrong. I put this whole thing here to show you that the album and Taylor's past work can be interpreted in many different ways and analyzed in many different ways. It's subjective. So unless you're gonna try to claim that your interpretation is right and everyone else is wrong, many people can also be right with their interpretations.

[@emmavink]

@Tw1nr0va this has nothing to do with defending Joe Alwyn in general. Other than extremely toxic Swifties who pretend like he didn't write all of the crucial parts of a number of huge tracks on Folklore, Evermore and Midnights 3AM. This is about lyrical continuity across her albums about Joe (Boyfriend) and refusing to accept the mental gymnastics of ignoring every previous thing Swift has said about Boyfriend A from Reputation through to TTPD. Both in lyrics and in her DIRECT verbal discussions of him/their work together. I haven't read ONE THING you lot have parroted about them having been on and off, or him not wanting her to shine, or him hiding their relationship from the world, or him cheating that does come DIRECTLY from tabloid speculation. And that all context shows us is just not borne out factually in his/their behaviour or her lyrics about him/their lyrics about each other/their relationship.

[@Blackcatandjam]

Taylor is a song writer and has written for many artists.

[@NinasNook]

She has! Her songwriting ability is her super power 100%.

[@codeyhumphrey1590]

I've always interpreted this song as being written from the perspective of Joe talking to Taylor and trying to get her to open up. As if Taylor put herself in the shoes of Joe as he fell in love with her / saved her in 2016

[@cherylreinell857]

It’s not necessary for us to know everything.

[@NinasNook]

I agree! Taylor doesn’t owe us anything. I enjoy diving into lyrics and speculating but at the end of the day, it’s her story and we will only know what tiny details she gives us. ❤

[@Jess-y7c]

Folklore and Evermore are fictional stop it with these lies immediately. The only truthful songs on either one are My tears Ricochet and Majorie that’s it. Let me Guess You are A Gaylor please stop spreading lies and misinformation about Taylor Swift.

[@NinasNook]

lol definitely not a Gaylor. There is no evidence for Gaylor theorizing in my opinion. Taylor mouths the words “this song is about you” during Cardigan on the Eras Tour which is from Folklore. We assume this was directed at Matt Healy given him also mouthing these words during his own song. That alone points to this “fictional song” having deeper meaning. It isn’t a far leap to say that the albums were written fictionally (as she told us) but also refer to real situations and emotions she deal with at the time. The characters and situations are fictional as stated in the video, but the emotions and lore around it are not fictional.

[@sherriromas5871]

"stop it with these lies" jfc calm down lol. She was in a 6 year relationship and used "fictional" characters to write about her emotions and the relationship starting to die without inviting the world to pick apart the relationship with someone she still loved and respected.

[@NinasNook]

@@sherriromas5871I agree! I think she had a lot of emotions she needed to get out, and by stating it was “fictional” it gave her more freedom.

[@MarvelousTimeRueingEverything]

Love this song, but I feel like it fits more narratively with MH. Cowboys and renegades are very similar, and the post-chorus certainly fits the picture painted of MH and the way things played out with them, based on TTPD. Just IMO! 🫶🏼

[@NinasNook]

It definitely could! There is definitely cross over with these emotions for sure and I do 100% believe that there was more going on during this time period. I don’t mean that they were involved in an actual “relationship” but I do think there was some wondering.

[@emmavink]

​@@NinasNookTaylor tells us in Guilty As Sin and in Smallest Man that she was emotionally cheating on Joe.