Extar EP9 Review

www.SkidTactical.com

[@georgesheptak5657]

I have one on order. I can hardly contain myself. I’ve Already ordered some 32 Rnd mags, a red dot scope. Angled fore grip, white walls , stereo, you name it. lol !!

[@bc_usa]

Fuzzy dice? Curb feelers?

[@mdredheadguy1979]

George Sheptak it's legal to put a forward vertical grip on a pistol? I didn't know that! Thanks!

[@bigmofo7249]

@@mdredheadguy1979 Has to be an angled foregrip or handstop. Can not use a vertical foregrip.

[@mdredheadguy1979]

@@bigmofo7249 Oh, okay. Thank you for clarifying that for me.

[@alfredlittles7001]

Where did you order it from?

[@sheenak4934]

I am so in love with this "pistol"! It is on my bucket list for sure!! Thanks for a great review.

[@barrd]

Thanks for a nice and thorough review of the EP9, because of this review I have finally made my decision on purchasing this pistol yesterday.....thanks again

[@sheenak4934]

same here... that 9 is SWEET!!!

[@varun009]

The only thing I can think of that you can do right at a range and still get laughed at is use your gun brace as its intended to be used.

[@jeff-ph9bc]

Excellent explanation and showing of all the features. Really appreciate you breaking down the components. Thanks!

[@tradbowtimewithuncledan2686]

Yes sir that is a bargain for $419. I'm definitely getting one.👍🇺🇸

[@2wheeleddemon999]

Just ordered mine today at 5pm. Finally getting my 9mm PCC. Sold my lower when all this stuff happened to someone that really needed a firearm for the house.

[@tradbowtimewithuncledan2686]

@@2wheeleddemon999 nice👍🇺🇸

[@davioncooper1001]

2wheeled Demon they’re only available at 5 pm?

[@2wheeleddemon999]

@@davioncooper1001 they restock the shelves at 5pm on Wednesday and were sold out in 4 minutes.

[@davioncooper1001]

2wheeled Demon wow

[@frankmartinez1159]

Excellent review. Mine should arrive in about 2 weeks. Can't wait to take it to the range.

[@keithsteward213]

Very good video & you presented the specific info about the gun & parts in a way that was easy to understand. Thank You! I think I 'll get in line to buy one.

[@joshv06]

Thanks man. We have since upgraded our camera equipment. More videos later this month!

[@ironcity4392]

Loved the breakdown from an AR builder point of view. Pricing each piece and comparing the style. Great review

[@joshv06]

I appreciate that. I realize that we have to to better in the camera work. Gonna do more b-roll next time instead of doing it live. Thanks!

[@ParasidicGeneration]

I really like it thumbs up from a fellow Texan

[@bc_usa]

2 thumbs up from another fellow Texan.

[@2wheeleddemon999]

Texan in the house

[@smm2k13]

I love it! It looks like it shoots sweet!

[@lvgeorge]

Which shoulder brace do you recommend and is there a folding brace that will work well with the Extar EP9? - Subscribed! Thumbs UP!

[@MolnarPohdap]

From the Extar website: "The EP9 has a proprietary receiver extension (buffer tube) that only accepts some SB Tactical Pistol Braces. The compatible braces are the SB-Mini, SBL, SBM4, SOB, SBX-K, or the SBV." The SB Tactical SOB is what they provide with the EP9, already installed.

[@yikesvikes]

Well done! I like that you did a pretty complete takedown.

[@MrKinglyon2010]

Awesome Video bro! Here in Central Texas too. Liberty Hill. Just subbed, keep up the good work! Also, the camera quality and sound are up there with the big you tube channels

[@Md-be3bt]

MrKinglyon2010 I agree very informative but his camera sucks big time and the lighting doesn’t help

[@AndrewPrater116]

I just ordered one of these and I am stoked. What sling are you using when shooting in the beginning of the video?

[@joshv06]

Andrew Prater It is actually a guntec single point slings. Normally I dont like single point slings, but this Ep9 iz so light that it is very manageable with a single point sling on your back or your side. Not like a heavier AR15.

[@AndrewPrater116]

joshv06 thank you!

[@benworkman177]

Josh, you do a good job in your videos on the Extar EP9 and I enjoy shooting mine also The only problems I had were failure to feed instances caused by weak after market springs in some mags I bought. Since Wolff extra power springs are on back order, I simply stretched the mag springs and have had no problems since then. My wife prefers her AR9 16" barreled rifle because she can get more accuracy while shooting at 100 yards. Live long and free!

[@joshv06]

Thanks, brother! I've done several changes to mine and hope to do an updated video in the summer. It's a steal for the price that Extar sells at!

[@ericlavergne5764]

I gotta get that 45acp version. I hope they keep their costs down. Great price in calibers customers want!

[@joshv06]

Editing the review for the .45 ACP version now. It's so quiet suppressed!

[@denzelwashingmachine1950]

Great review and keep up the good work! Everybody needs to chill. You've said you're just starting, camerawork will improve. I think this review was fantastic! Ordered the 9mm version and I love it!! Just need a place here in Central Texas to shoot freely, no range restrictions

[@joshv06]

Yes for sure. We are starting to just do b-roll now. Thanks!

[@kassenz]

I'm excited for the 45acp version to be released soon. I have a AAC TiRant 45 now, which would work on 9mm too, but I love huge subsonic wrecking balls. Thanks for the video

[@joshv06]

We did a video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJOZnaaQraqfn8k It's very quiet suppressed!

[@rally9854]

just watch if u leave bolt assemply out from gun like I did it might lock on together ,just undo butstock and tube and it comes apart again.happend to me ...great litle 9mm made in usa.thanks extar super service also...

[@web5271]

"pretty cool" and "awesome!"

[@MOBROOKS]

Thanks for this review.

[@elipski3464]

...How well does this bump fire from the shoulder? I'm torn between this or the PAK 9. In Maxheadspace9mm's PAK 9 videos, it shows the PAK 9 is ultra easy to bump from the shoulder. How does the EP9 compare?...

[@VTPSTTU]

Are you still getting reliable service from these? They look perfect for today's situation.

[@PoeOutdoors]

Nicely done, just subbed. Definitely interested in the 10mm version.

[@joshv06]

Poe Performance I have the 10mm and am surprised and how little recoil there is.

[@thedefinitive6296]

Could you swap the buffer tube for something shorter if you have a different spring? Wouldn't mind and even shorter overall package. Very cool gun though

[@joshv06]

Not possible. It's very light for a PCC. You will appreciate the lightweight of it, just as much as we've come to appreciate short guns.

[@n0xxm3rcyxx]

Does that tula ammo run good? i know its a steel casing round. and the only reason i shy away from this is because I've seen the tulammo .223 get the casing stuck in some rifles and they are a bitch to get out if you dont have the tool with you out on the range. but this pistol ammo seem to run fine.

[@jcwilson3016]

Josh, maybe I missed something...What about the buffer tube to fit the shockwave?...I thought you said the EP9 factory tube was dimpled. Mine isn't...Was that an aftermarket buffer tube? I would like to put a shockwave on, but my buffer tube is 1.25"...???...Thx- Jc

[@joshv06]

I had an early revision. They may have stopped dimpling them. Contact me at 832-380-4101 if you want to buy mine from the video for $20 shipped

[@AndrewPrater116]

Is that holoson red dot worth the money? I'm looking for a good budget optic for my extar ep9.

[@joshv06]

I love mine. I have 3 of them and they're great. 2 of them have taken hard falls and got some good dents on the body. But they're still going strong and hold zero!

[@joshuathomas8529]

How dose the trigger compare to a mill speck AR trigger? Is it smooth or ruff? Its it really heavy?

[@joshv06]

Joshua Thomas it is very lightweight at 4.33lb. I like it better than my build ar9. Its soft shooting, simple, low cost and reliable. It has honestly put my custom ar9 our of commission.

[@joshv06]

Trigger is as smooth as my ALG ACT. I'm going to put the ACT in the EP9 just for max durability.

[@Excalibur01]

Does this take standard carbine buffer tubes so it can accept an SBA3 brace?

[@89grand]

That really sucks. The SOB style brace that is on it is pretty cool, I run one on my Zastava M92, but the SBA3 is the new king of braces, the best one yet. I have one of those on my 7.5" AR.

[@iwazzabadboy1982]

Can anybody give me a link for a angled foregrip for this...I just got mine and wanna put one on..Thanks

[@marknorwood7521]

Will it accept mil spec fire control group?

[@esdrasraymond287]

Great video man

[@sorbicsagor5080]

Hows the recoil compared to your typical 10.5 ish inch AR15 .556?

[@Andrew_Dominik]

Is the SB tactical brace that it comes with adjustable if you take it off and then put it back on at whatever position you choose for it?

[@joshv06]

It will eventually slide forward. Unless you make spacers to make it longer. It is about the same position as an m4 stock at the 3 Rd position out

[@TarBeeBee]

Great review! How's the accuracy at 50 yards?

[@joshv06]

Haven't tested it. Since the drop on PCC's is pretty substantial at range, I don't care much for accuracy haha. I expect the same 3.5moa as my AR-9.

[@arfcom3333]

Ben Odam I have one and it’s very accurate haven’t shot at 50 yards but at 25

[@arfcom3333]

It will shoot 1”-1 1/2”

[@shermdog6969]

Do you get blowback in your face if you shoot it left handed? My keltec is awful for this.

[@beanNcheese_plz]

That's my Christmas present to myself this year

[@joshv06]

You wont regret it. I sold my AR9 after getting the EP9. The weight for a PCC is amazing

[@marclemar]

Josh I’ve been trying to buy this gun. Could I build one for around the same price? Please help!!

[@joshv06]

I spoke with the owner of Extar. The demand is just so high. Once he lists them on the site, they go OOS.

[@jrcoto8609]

Question, twice I've fired a round and the next round the trigger won't work, any ideas? The EP is brand new, I've put about 300 rounds thru it.

[@joshv06]

Might be the disconnector. If the hammer isn't cocked back, it's most likely the disconnector. I would pick up a mislpec trigger and replace it. It takes AR-15 Triggers.

[@tradbowtimewithuncledan2686]

The manufacturer says it will not take G26 mags. Did you try them? I think I'm gonna sub by the way.

[@joshv06]

Sorry, I was incorrect in saying that. I thought it did, because my AR-9 does. Guess the magwell comes down a little more than the AR-9.

[@LuisGonzalez-gl4wc]

I like that harness/sling what is it and where can I get it? I would to use it also on the Extar.

[@joshv06]

It is a guntec bungee single point sling

[@LuisGonzalez-gl4wc]

Nice!! Is it the one with the adapter combo kit?

[@clinteastwood666]

From the Extar FAQ : Please avoid Ruag ammunition including their brands Norma and Geco. They are now using thin primers that will cause problems in direct-blowback firearms. We recommend that our customers only use brass cased or steel cased ammunition from name brands in your EP9. Due to the direct blowback design of the EP9, always avoid aluminum cased and reloaded/re-manufactured ammunition. For economical and reliable performance, Tula Steel Cased ammo through genuine Glock magazines, we recommend highly. We do not recommend +P ammunition.

[@jamesmaxwell8007]

How does it handle hollow points. In the ar9 video you said they are picky.

[@joshv06]

I have not tried Hollow points yet unfortunately.

[@cdesrae1212]

Will you be able to install a muzzle brake on this one?

[@joshv06]

Yes, the barrel is threaded. A muzzle brake is already included.

[@landon7008]

Would it be an issue shooting this pistol left handed?

[@bradwinfield3594]

Front bottom rail was trying to fall off. Some blue lock tire is in order.

[@markdumas6387]

Been looking at the fx9 pistol. Any experience with those?

[@joshv06]

EP9 is 1.6lb lighter (while having a heavier brace) and is $230 cheaper.

[@x.adam1]

NFA-ARMS dot COM has those for $557 right now. I was going to buy one but bought all the New Frontier Armory components at my latest gun show. I lucked out that they had all of the parts at different vendors and pieced it together. Had I seen the online one first I would've saved a few hundred dollars.

[@hugostiglitz9864]

Mark Dumas...I have the FX-9. It's a high quality pistol. Fit and finish are excellent and it has performed with all types of ammo and several glock style mags with no problems. I might have gone with this extar because of the weight difference but overall, I'm happy with it.

[@joshv06]

And a few pounds. My EP9 is noticeably lighter than my AR-9 that has a 2.5" longer barrel.

[@michaeldubya]

Does it use std AR barrels and handguards?

[@fishrrelaxing9361]

No

[@QuetherV]

New sub....seem to know your stuff man. Good to know the internals aren't crap....I've been refreshing the site for a few weeks now.....waiting to see in stock lol

[@joshv06]

I talked to the owner, he puts them in stock on a specific day at a certain time. If you Google around, especially on Reddit gundeals, you might be able to see about what time that is. Best of luck!

[@markthompson6845]

Great video.

[@XX-166]

I wanna see one of those Glock 50 round drums used on this. The maker is out of stock on these pistols.

[@MolnarPohdap]

There's a KZbin video about someone trying the 50 round drum on the EP9. His conclusion: it works, but only about 80% of the time. That must be why the Extar website specifically recommends using nothing more than a 33 round mag. As for Extar being out of stock: they restock in small quantities once a week, but at unpredictable days and times. It's best to sign up for their email notifications, then to check your email for these as often as you can every day (except weekends). Extar told me that they always sell out within an hour, even just half an hour, every time -- so you have to jump on it. I created an account with them on their website, entering my address etc ahead of time to speed up the purchase process when the time came.

[@handyishrandyish334]

I have a 50 drum on mine 100 rounds so far no issues

[@taylor943]

Would a Franklin Armory binary trigger work in this?

[@lwe3625]

Yes

[@sybaby]

Mine just arrived at the ffl!

[@frankreynolds5379]

Love mine wish I could find an ammo tree

[@mdredheadguy1979]

Frank Reynolds an ammo tree??? May I ask what that is?

[@frankreynolds5379]

@@mdredheadguy1979 a fantasy sir

[@OOICU812]

mdredheadguy1979 it's kinda like a money tree, but it's copper-colored instead of green. 😉

[@RevGunn-jq3cq]

What were distances to targets? How accurate L

[@joshv06]

10-15 yards. I did not test accuracy. I expect the same ~3.5moa as my AR-9.

[@wallycleaver1046]

So is it legal to shoulder this brace like everyone is doing on the videos? Thanks

[@89grand]

Maybe you could not ask for permission and just use it as you see fit. There was never anything legal or illegal, it was only stated as an opinion.

[@dobypilgrim6160]

It can be used anyway you want. For now. If dumbasses keep calling it a carbine, maybe someday the ATF will decide it is indeed a carbine. This is a pistol with a brace. Period.

[@donttreadonme1367]

ATF said last year that as long as you don’t modify the pistol brace, you can shoulder it.

[@jdiggy1195]

I've been looking at these for a while now!... I just placed my order, thanks 😃

[@smm2k13]

Putting an arm brace up to your shoulder doesn't magically make it a SBR or like sticking the buffer tube up your ass doesn't make it turn into a lethal buttplug!LoL

[@vinemont2009]

My slide is kind of hard to pull back with the plastic is yours like that

[@NeedsMoreToys]

Mine is yes. Will see it it lighten ups after a few hundred rounds. My new handguns are all hard to slide initially.

[@vinemont2009]

@@NeedsMoreToys hey man I fixed mine. I took some 2000 grit polishing paper and went down where it slides. Since it's plastic on plastic. And then took some graphite powder and put on it works way better

[@johndough7160]

I'm so paranoid that Extar will change this design before I can buy my first one. I should buy four of these guys and wear them out one by one. I didn't know you could get it in different calibers. For the price and quality, this thing beats the shit out of that Ruger PC Charger. I just hope those 30 round mags stay solid in the mag well. My Ruger PC carbine didn't like the longer sticks. They wiggled like a loose tooth.

[@am2630]

What kind of 33 ed mags would you recommend for the extar, just order yesterday, wanna be ready

[@joshv06]

I only suggest OEM glock mags. We have them at skidtactical.

[@neurosentience5150]

Why doesn’t my charging handle do that? If I pull mine back you have to use the lock button and the handle isn’t free floating.

[@whiplasher8]

Great gun . Love mine . Small disagreement with your review . The EP 9 will NOT take Glock 26 mags . I have tried both the stock Glock26 10 rounders and Magpul 12....not gonna happen

[@TheJaycee29]

Is the Extar legal in New Jersey?

[@fladave99]

Only for drug dealers

[@RileyRR]

Awesome video brother! Subbed!

[@joshv06]

Riley R Thanks!

[@RileyRR]

Hey man I forgot to ask. This will take Glock 17, 19, or 34 mags right?

[@joshv06]

Riley R kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2OZqKCBjpKYaas

[@RileyRR]

joshv06 lol thanks

[@gilbert512]

Can you hit targets at 75 yards?

[@joshv06]

For sure. We only had a bay to shoot for the day.

[@cd4playa1245]

How has this thing held up for you? Still running strong?

[@joshv06]

Kyle Rainer Still running strong haha. I cant really predict a point of failure.. blowbacks just work.

[@kd221]

you have a great review. Thanks. However, the camera guy needs to improve his video recording skill.

[@joshv06]

For sure. Thanks. We are working out the kinks as we are just starting off.

[@joshv06]

We have invested in a Gimble. We used it in the EP45 review (coming out this week)

[@torrianregester2940]

When is the .45 cal version coming out for sale

[@joshv06]

I would consider it vaporware at this point

[@clrkkdd12]

Nice

[@mr.mr.3301]

I'm still skeptical. Way too much polymer for me to feel comfortable. I can live with a poly lower but the upper also?

[@Excalibur01]

Clearly you've never shot a CZ Scorpion

[@mr.mr.3301]

Excalibur01 I've never even seen one in person.

[@treverdavis5881]

Yeah there are already alot of 9mm that use polymer uppers and lowers. Nothing new here

[@RebelRob34]

This is the best $400 I've ever spent, add a can and sight.

[@treerat7631]

Nothing wrong with ploymer

[@thearchitect817]

We allowed to shoulder them again?

[@joshv06]

It's more like we can use them however we so choose.

[@hugostiglitz9864]

Good review. Any idea when the .45 will be available?

[@joshv06]

Not sure. Review coming out this week.

[@QuebecoisSti]

Next time please do something about auto focus. You could take your time when disassembly too, lot of bad lighting/bad focus when showing... BTW we need this in Canada!

[@joshv06]

Thank you. We are releasing a new video on the EP45 this week. We took a lot of the filming criticisms and fixed it in that video.

[@douglascuvillyed.s8211]

Will this take a regular milspec tube?

[@joshv06]

It will not

[@franksmith7271]

Thinking of ordering 2 of these bad chickens.

[@bicd3244]

Does the buffer tube extend any?

[@joshv06]

It does not

[@solidgee8961]

i ordered the extar ep9. im really excited about it. its my first gun ever ordered online. i usually buy local. im no youtuber but the camera person is horrible. its so blurry

[@joshv06]

Great! I'm happy for you! And thanks for the input. I've ordered $1500 in new camera gear. Please subscribe to see new videos using the new equipment! Thanks!

[@felixnunya-damnbidness2163]

INFORMATIVE VIDEO, JUST WISHED IT WAS FILMED BETTER - - POOR LIGHTING & BLURRY AT TIMES . .. ARGH!

[@tonyburgess1212]

Does the BCG ride on metal slide rails or just ride on the polymer?

[@joshv06]

Polymer. Just like the Evo. It's fine.

[@mdredheadguy1979]

If this gun is as good as it looks, I'll be hard pressed to pick between this and a Ruger PC9 carbine. Hmmmmm.... I honestly have no idea how to decide.

[@caswellthompson6432]

Buy both 😂

[@FearScherer]

Just decide what to do with the extra $100 or so, even though I am a large Ruger fan.

[@MRG978]

Get the Extar and spend the other $100 on mags and ammo

[@MolnarPohdap]

@@MRG978 hey, it's what I did!

[@anthonylyle7709]

I bought a Magpul angled forgrip for my Extar EP9 and it will not fit on the rails. Anyone else have this problem? AFG-1

[@thearchitect817]

Agreed

[@aaronpat123]

What kind of sling did you use?

[@joshv06]

Guntec bungee single point sling

[@aaronpat123]

Thank you so much!Did you need additional hardware to attach it if so what?

[@georgec5769]

It is impossible to find one

[@MolnarPohdap]

@@smokingcrab2290 My experience in 2020 is that they no longer restock on just MWF, but pretty much any day except weekends. Waiting to get mine, I had notifications on Fridays, then Thursdays, and since then even Wednesday and Tuesday. And they can be any time of day during their business hours -- I got mine at 12:20 PM AZ time.

[@Boomerfootball1]

How's it shoot with steel casings?

[@MolnarPohdap]

The Tulammo they use in this video is exactly that. The Extar website actually recommends Tulammo, so long as your using Glock factory mags.

[@TheVisualVanguard]

Any folding braces for this pistol?

[@joshv06]

None at the moment

[@TheVisualVanguard]

joshv06 cool thanks, any red dot recommendations?

[@_Schwartz]

Cameron Johnson Holosun

[@sherodamirbey78]

Can the bolt be switched to left handed

[@joshv06]

It can not

[@supramaniac502]

Not in stock configuration, but this will accept M4 trigger groups, so you can go about it that way.

[@willywill88]

*Caution* Extar EP9 received with a broken hammer. I contacted customer service which is a joke. They replied, "we don't have this happen". Sold thousands without this problem. News flash... that doesn't take away the fact that I have a broken weapon. I waited patiently for a gun that is usually out of stock. Finally ordered and when it arrived it rattled inside. Gun dealer opened it up to find that the hammer was actually broken into. Extar customer service would not help the situation at all. I was going to have around 500.00 to 550.00 in a 400.00 weapon after the time it took to correct their mistake. Usually, customer service would try to help the situation by offering something for my trouble. Nope, not this company. Not even a 35.00 charging handle. Just an idea, which she couldn't even come up with herself. Anne is her name for future reference. She actually got upset with me when I suggested that they should compensate me for their mistake. Her response was, "we can't just start issuing checks". I didn't even ask for anything imparticular. I wanted to warn someone of this bad bad customer service. The sad thing is that I really wanted the gun. It would have been fun and probably worth the 400.00, but not 550.00.

[@nickbrege6695]

Can anyone recommend a good, but cheap, red dot sight for this?

[@joshv06]

I love the holosun 2moa solar micro red dot

[@thearchitect817]

No disrespect intended about the grouping

[@joshv06]

Just wanted to dump 300 rounds for reliability sake. We did a lot of shooting off camera.

[@srcparadise3315]

Great commentary and review, but the camera was blurry and painfully out of focus in almost ever shot...also too much extream zooming in, other than that great vid👍

[@joshv06]

We have invested in a Gimble. We used it in the EP45 review (coming out this week)

[@tjon901]

What range is this?

[@joshv06]

tjon901 Austin Rifle Club in Manor, TX

[@sweatmachine69]

Nice. I'm not a member but I go there as a guest with a buddy sometimes.

[@joshv06]

sweatmachine69 Yeah my older brother lives in Manor so we go there when I go see him. It's pretty awesome!

[@sweatmachine69]

joshv06 Cool. I live in Austin not far from there. I bought a Guntec 9mm brake from y'all a couple of months ago, right when you first got them in. This new Extar 9mm is interesting. I have an AR9 I built and also a CMMG Guard. I'm happy with them but they both cost a lot more than the Extar...

[@jamespollard1670]

That is a good price

[@monsta21cb]

Can you change the handguard

[@joshv06]

Not possible

[@vbsaltydog]

It's possible now. I make an m-lok handguard for the Extar EP9. You can see it at www.protoshandguard.com/index.php?app=ecom&ns=prodshow&ref=extar-ep9-protos-mlok-handguard . If you click the "see larger image" button on the page, you can see it mounted on the pistol.

[@azn8alx559]

Is this California legal?

[@Dieguito507]

azn8alx559 lol, that’s my next question, was going to call the company.

[@vbvini]

this or the psa 9mm

[@joshv06]

This. I ditched my AR9 soley for the weight savings of this. It is incredibly lightweight

[@FearScherer]

Looks great except for all those boxes of Tula.

[@joshv06]

Best steel cased ammo I've tested. Works fine. Accurate. Consistent. Cheap.

[@FearScherer]

@@joshv06 cheap yeah. It's dirty as hell. I used it for a long time till I knew better. Only use steel case in the commie guns now. But in all honesty, I never had a problem with it, just heavy fouling

[@3PeNcEL]

Great video but for the love of God, use a smaller aperture and get rid of the horrendous focus issues. A blurry background does not equal a high quality video. Also stick with auto exposure.

[@joshv06]

I agree. I'm going to do less zooming and more b-roll in the future.

[@joshv06]

We have invested in a Gimble. We used it in the EP45 review (coming out this week)

[@jeffomspaugh6691]

I want to see how the 10mm performs