Extrema Ratio Shrapnel One

[@mattis1600]

Great knife! Very functional and well designed! Thank you for the great vid-rev!

[@BushCampingTools]

Hi thanks and thanks for your other comments too. I am writing something in reply and will soon post it.

[@MichaelQuigley-fy5rc]

Great job, I'm drooling over this knife.

[@BushCampingTools]

Why I have only seen your comment now over 1 year ago, only Google/KZbin knows! I hope you are fine!

[@JEEROFUKU]

Marvellous blade indeed. Just ordered LAMNIA EDITION one. Cheers for thorough review, mate! ATB🍀🥃

[@BushCampingTools]

Yeah saw that one, the SW version, looks pretty damn good! Thanks for your comments and watching!

[@nervsouly]

Finally a new knife test! I was waiting in great anticipation.

[@BushCampingTools]

LOL, and there will be more coming but things have been a bit slow with family commitments etc LOL!

[@Biblicalgiants]

Dude you're like an outdoor chef! Great upload!

[@BushCampingTools]

Hey thanks! and thanks for watching!

[@BushCampingTools]

Hey check out the stuff here! kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKKwhnangdyLfrM

[@BushCraftBums]

Hi my friend! Great video! Thanks so much for sharing! Keep up the good work! Stay blessed!

[@VashPlissken45]

Good God man I miss having extra money for knives like this. I will be at it again someday! Sweet blade - I've eyed the Shrapnel for sure. Great review as always!

[@BushCampingTools]

Hey Justin good to hear from you! I didn't know your channel was closed either. Thanks for your comments as always

[@VashPlissken45]

Bush Camping Tools yessir all of life’s other duties caught up to me & finally had to admit there was no time left to make videos. I am active on Instagram now though. Cheers man glad to still see you up & at it 👍🏼👍🏼😎

[@BushCampingTools]

To be honest mate, it getting that way here with me. I know all too well how much time is involved in making good reviews like yours. Let's see how things go too here. Good luck with your future endeavours!

[@VashPlissken45]

Thanks man I wish you the same! Maybe once there is a good KZbin alternative in a few years I will be back!

[@GAUROCH2]

the Shrapnel is an awesome knife (although mine is probably an older model with a thermoplastic sheath), very versatile and of high quality... And the neck knives are fantastic too...

[@BushCampingTools]

Too right, thanks for watching!!

[@BushCampingTools]

I must review some of their neck knives maybe?

[@rolldeepNASA]

@@BushCampingTools that'd be cool :)

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

Any tips on cheaper metals to look for, and to avoid?

[@BushCampingTools]

I think avoid all knives hardened to HRC 60 and above if you are not prepared to spend time to sharpen them or keep them from going dull. I reality any knife steel hardened to HRC55-58 is more than good enough for working all sorts of things from the tropic to the arid regions (in my experience). Rather than use he word avoid, I'd say don't get hung up on marketing because some of these "super steels" are actually better suited for the knife maker than the actual end user. hence several can be machined and or worked whilst in the hardened state and do not have a requirement for heat treating again. that said N690 was developed as a milling tool steel which could be used at high temperature with out coolant and not lose it's temper. The addition of the element Cobalt helped to achieve this property, a property not encountered or of any use as an outdoor knife steel. None the less the addition of Co helps for hardness retention. You can of course harden to over HRC58 but then the stainless properties will become less as there will be less Chromium in solid solution to aid against corrosion. I think 14C28N is an excellent steel from Sandvik and I have several Spanish made knives using this, it's great. Böhler's K340 is one of their best renditions of D2; straight carbon steels such as Japanese SK85 is an excellent non- stainless steel for knives with fantastic edge retention and able to take a temper for maximum flexibility. The subject matter is too big for a quick comment by me but I e this sort of helps.

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

@@BushCampingTools hah, that was quick! Thanks for that. As you say, there is soooo much marketing bs going around. I'll make some notes :-) Cheers

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

Basically a chef's knife for outdoors :)

[@BushCampingTools]

Indeed and therefore easy to prep food with indoors or out. it's thick enough to for a bit of crazy use of a baton if that's the thing and of corse a good grip.

[@BJ-cg5vi]

It is good looking outdoor knife, but definetely not chief knife, I have this one (green handle and black coated), blade is too strong, sticky and it scrubs when cutting, it cannot be compared for ex. with Condor Moonshiner

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

@@BJ-cg5vi good to know

[@manusendero5797]

Very nice. Tiene una geometría perfecta para ser un buen utilitario. Enhorabuena

[@BushCampingTools]

Hi thanks and thanks for watching!

[@Urdasein]

Why you don't try the larger ER knives, like te mato grosso and the beautyful Kreios ?

[@BushCampingTools]

Ha, LOL they are certainly on my radar! Especially the Kreios, looks great for some serious jungle work, no woosy stuff!

[@Urdasein]

The kreios seems also good for light forestry works and sclutping wood... But in don't own it...

[@BushCampingTools]

Yeah it's not cheap (well i try not to mention this word here or money LOL) but there are much cheaper alternatives. It would be good to say get sponsored by ER and take a bunch of them on a jungle expedition, say a caving expedition......Mmmmmm, let's think about that!

[@Urdasein]

Ah ! I tought ER were sending you knives for free.

[@BushCampingTools]

Hi they do for the most part but it is me who requests the models. The krieos has loads of publicity already so there isn't much I can do for them I guess. What I should have said was that for my time, I need to see what will give me the views here- which are not knife videos at all LOL!- and what my audience might like to see. With machete type blades, I think it could be difficult for manufacturers to try and sell "modern" versions which are many times more that locally made type ones which will still do the job. it would be hard to justify this to my viewers, whether I get one for free or not. But then again everyone has a different view of what is expensive and what isn't and to use the classic phrase (indeed I used it a lot during a stint in corporate sales, when I was challenged with: "it's too expensive!", my reply, "compared to what"?

[@andrewpedersen5071]

Hey Francis, does the Shrapnel have a convex edge like other ER knives?

[@BushCampingTools]

Hi, yeah it does, hand ground like the others. That's how i keep mine too with a convex profile, when it get's touched up.

[@enrygarcia]

hello do you hear problems with the firesteel to light the fire on the backbone? sparks come out of her ..? a big hug...

[@BushCampingTools]

Hello there thanks for watching!. To be honest I have never tried to use this knife for that.

[@enrygarcia]

@@BushCampingTools Ok if you try let me know .. I'm curious .. thank you for the answer ..

[@скнрппрнвв]

Отлично, спасибо за обзор, без перевода понятно !!

[@BushCampingTools]

Hi thanks. Yes, sorry I must really put up sub titles, but thank you for saying so!

[@mcj5644]

Very interesting blade, mate! ⚔️😉👍

[@BushCampingTools]

Hi thanks!

[@tjsogmc]

Excellent review, thank you for sharing! It would be interesting to carry the knife for a few months and see how well it performs over time. I'm generally not a fan of the wide blades because they are bulky when carrying around, but if it works, it works!

[@BushCampingTools]

HI yes I will indeed be following this up. I've been using it a lot around the kitchen but haven't taken it out again into the "wilds"

[@АлександрПыко-р3я]

Nice tool 👍

[@BushCampingTools]

You bet! Thanks for watching.

[@АлександрПыко-р3я]

@@BushCampingTools what is the price now of this knife ? Usually ER costs 400-500 EUR? Or less?

[@BushCampingTools]

@@АлександрПыко-р3я ER has it on their site for 247 Euros but they say it's out of stock now. I'm sure many other internet shops might have it. It looks to me as if the price has come down quite a lot since it first was offered for sale.

[@АлександрПыко-р3я]

@@BushCampingTools thank you very much for your video! Good luck 🤞

[@Shorty_Lickens]

Pro Tip: if for some odd reason you find yourself lost in the woods with only one knife, do NOT use it for batoning. Batoning is nice but never required and its not worth risking your knife, even if it happens to be an extremely good one.

[@BushCampingTools]

Totally correct and like i say in numerous comments on this channel and my blog, batoning is a good way to destroy what may be your only useful tool (other than of course your brain) you have with you. I have in many videos spoken about this too. I do however sometimes show this as there are still many who want to see it but as i said I also say (maybe not in this video but certainly in my blogs) that it does not test anything about knife except maybe that if your knife doesn't break immediately, then maybe there are no defective voids or brittle fractures about to happen LOL. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@Shorty_Lickens]

@@BushCampingTools Oh yeah its absolutely a great testing method for new knives in review videos. I certainly wanna know what kind of abuse it can take before I bring it out to the mountains. Glad someone is willing to spend the money and beat the heck of out their knives so I dont have to. Its a good vid.

[@BushCampingTools]

Hi there. I actually had one knife break (not from this brand). It was brand new and i hit a small sapling with it. My hand kept traveling as the blade stuck in the tree! It scared the daylights out of me as i was alone and no where near any roads and no phone signal, luckily no injuries. I examined the break under the microscope (I'm a scientist, so i can't help that sort of thing LOL)- brittle fracture surface; manufacturer tried to blame a nameless person on the assembly line for picking up a dud blade for assembly- impossible.

[@rigohook1160]

I like the design, and the fact that it's a flat grind. I sometimes think i am the only bushcraft guy that does'nt like scandis. But to me a flat grind is more versatile. Does the chimping on the top of the spine give you any hotspots? Only downfall is the price, for that kind of money i buy good bushcraft knives for the whole family, including the dog and the neighbor. Greetings from Vienna.

[@BushCampingTools]

Greetings back to you. I have enjoyed many a great coffee in your country! Ok now down to business. If ones hands are wet an gripping hard, it (the gimping) can rub (at least on my hands) between thumb and forefinger but I'm talking during say whacking a green coconut open, so a big task for a knife as compared to using a more appropriate tool such as a machete or parang. Despite this knife looking a bit like an kitchen knife on steroids, it appears to be from the social media posts, a very popular model from them and for good reasons because one can not only beat on it but also easily prepare food with it. As to the price, whilst I never discuss any products prices on the channel, I can not dispute your claim, it all depends upon one's disposable income and we all know that it is not necessary to own any knife when compared to sending the kids to school, college, university, fixing the roof or the car or the boat etc. I actually made a short video on this recently (several months ago, maybe you saw it?). I myself was even looking at another one recently on display in a shop (a satin version and looking very cool but I had to say, enough is enough).

[@rigohook1160]

@@BushCampingTools , tbh, this was the first video from you i've seen. But i went through your channel, and it looks like you really know your stuff, so you have a new subscriber. Thanks for the prompt answer, by the way.

[@BushCampingTools]

@@rigohook1160 Your subscription here is very welcome. I try to pass on my experiences in the out of doors here, not just out and out reviews. I hope you like what you see. I also have an in depth blog, instagram and FB where you can find much more information on various subjects related to the outdoors. Welcome!

[@rigohook1160]

@@BushCampingTools , lol, since yesterday i have ordered this knive, bcs i really like the aesthetics and the performance, given from your video is very good as well. It arrives next week, and be prepared, if my wife gives me a hard time for ordering another knife, i tell her it's all your fault... 🤣🤣😂😂

[@BushCampingTools]

@@rigohook1160 You may not (in fact I'm sure you are not) be the only one here who has/will suffer from the wife! Good luck!

[@dasklingenspiel4089]

You are the only person i have ever seen camping with a broccoli haha. In my opinion its just a shame that Extrema Ratio makes such a good knife with such a bad sheath. That stuff was good like 10 years ago, they really should upgrade if they demand such a high prices for that. Still like your videos man!

[@BushCampingTools]

Hi, LOL, I take all sorts of vegies as long as they can stay fresh for a few days at least! Yeah I've seen those old sheaths and they did look good, you mean the kydex-like ones seen on their old discontinued models yes? Thanks for the good words about my videos too!

[@dasklingenspiel4089]

Yeah i mean we are talking about a 200 Euro knife and they cannot manage to make anything better than a cordura sheath? Some of their newer models have a hard plastic sheath now, haven´t handled one of those but they look quite good.

[@liborz.9958]

Check out TRC's shrapnel cases. Great kydex.

[@kevenslater4136]

It looks like extrema's psycho 15 with a different paint job!

[@BushCampingTools]

Yes almost identical, slightly thicker, black "Paint job" as you say LOL, and some little bit of extra gimping. To be honest I reckon the Psycho can do all of the above the same. For me 4mm is still good for outdoor use, provided I'm not going to start levering with this knife.

[@nervsouly]

As expensive as it is some people might consider stealing it and then treat it with a paint job GTA style so the cops don't recognize the knife anymore because it's in a different colour.

[@micheletennis87]

Hi, since you've used both, is your N690CO or 14C28N steel better based on your experience? Let me know what you think, thanks Michele.

[@BushCampingTools]

I think they are both very good. I have only one knife in N690 which isn't coated and i can say it's corrosion resistance is every bit as good as my 14C28N blades. both blades hold a good edge. Both raw materials are from well-known manufacturers. I think it comes down to blade geometry as a decider but I would not be unhappy if all my blades were in 14C28N LOL. But seriously, it is a good knife steel, at least with the brands I have it in.

[@micheletennis87]

So if you had to decide between an equal knife in N690Co and 14C28N steel which one would you choose?@@BushCampingTools

[@BushCampingTools]

@@micheletennis87 I think both are great steels. In fact I think many steels have good qualities and there is no wonder steel.

[@RoyFernbach]

Great video and review. Very cool blade, but not $265 USD cool.

[@BushCampingTools]

Thanks for watching.

[@odemorningode6553]

Yes... Way too overpriced Anyway love that Blade shapes

[@BushCampingTools]

@@odemorningode6553 Hi many comment on the price of this company's products. Just to get some sort of idea (and I might do a survey at some point with viewers) but what would you expect to pay for a knife made in Italy from Austrian steel and other Italian made products and finally hand sharpened not shoved into a machine for a machine grind?. I used to think like this when I was for a short period working as Silversmith (to try and makes ends meet in my varied career LOL) and often people said, hey it's over priced but I tried to produce jewellery which whilst made from the same silver as the "cheapo" mass produced (in this case the comparison was being made to me about Mexican silver jewellery), my designs were arguably unique and certainly not mass produced, but that's another life and another story........

[@BushCampingTools]

@@odemorningode6553 Oh yeah, yes that blade shape does indeed rock!

[@Shorty_Lickens]

thats considerably less than one months rent for most people, and can last a lifetime if properly used and maintained. it could be a very good bargain if you use it frequently.

[@diderichlangmannen]

I really like ER and N690co is maybe the best stainless steel on the market! For me it‘s the best steel for knives if it got the right heat threatment. But ... ER is overpriced! I do not have any problem if a small company that is creating and factoring their products with care and a high amount of handmade craftsmanship is asking a higher price for their work. But is has to be more balanced. ER is out of balance with their prices. If they would lower their prices they would sell the double amount. But at least the knives are great and the quality is superb.

[@odemorningode6553]

Diderich Langmannen What is your c690co hardness point'?

[@VicariousReality7]

Buuuuuuuuuullshiiiiiiiiiiiiiit N690 cant even cut half of the amount of rope even the most basic M390 knife could, it is not a wear resistant steel by modern standards It is however extremely tough as i saw ER bend one of their khukris into a U

[@johnkarhu6059]

Nice knife and good vidéo...thanks

[@BushCampingTools]

Hi and thanks, plus thanks for watching!

[@praveervikram]

Sir, what's the price nd where can I get it. ?? 🙏

[@BushCampingTools]

Numerous internet sites sell this product or one can purchase directly from them. Depends upon where you live of course. Thanks for watching.

[@Erik1970Viking]

Great Review ... ER Knifes are awesome.. 3:40 looks very tasty. Just one point: me personally, i would process food rather with a blank blade than with a coated blade ... i would be concerned having coating particles in my meal. Just my 50 cent ... great reviwew, great knive !

[@BushCampingTools]

Hi there thanks for watching! Yes i agree and have a actually written extensively about this subject on my blogs

[@brnobre4301]

Legal

[@BushCampingTools]

Depends on what one does with it!

[@Chineseknives]

Absolutly an incredible design. I like a lot, but too much thickness perhaps. Regards!.

[@BushCampingTools]

Hi their Psycho model they made for kitchen use is a bit thinner and I'd say would work equally as well. 4mm is just fine for outdoor use for these sorts of things. Thanks for watching as usual!

[@trigger78]

Cool!

[@BushCampingTools]

Hi, thanks for watching!

[@trigger78]

@@BushCampingTools thanks for sharing!👍

[@powerplay4real174]

A blade that looks like it can be used for many task, I see alot of things I would like about that cutting tool.

[@BushCampingTools]

Yeah, it's a very versatile design, if not typical of outdoor knives (although what is typical these days? LOL). Thanks for watching!

[@Guide504]

If you batton a reasonable size log properly the false edge will cut the baton to peaces. Having said that who doesn't want a heavyweight tac kitchen knife. This is litterally the opposite of the TOPS TBT.

[@BushCampingTools]

But if you only strike it on the thick part of the spine 9which is very thick, no problems. Thanks for watching!

[@Guide504]

@@BushCampingTools on that basis the knife is only of use to split twigs you can burn whole. Batoning is about processing sizable logs into split wood exposing greater surface area to combustion and seasoned wood. There is no advantage to it if the spines striking surface is only half the length of the knife as it cannot be struck efficiently at the tip to drive the knife through having embedded the spine, while spanning the diameter of the timber.

[@BushCampingTools]

@@Guide504 I don't think the wood I split here were twigs, ok 1.5-2" "twigs" if your main timber is like 6" and bigger in diameter. If that's the case I always (if I have to) split from the outside in. I've got 10" walnut logs, 12" saw cut here and the other night I used a 4 inch fixed blade LOL to carve off about 6-10 small sections, lit those and carefully put those huge logs on them (OK the walnut was bone dry) and it was inside of a proper wood burning stove but hey, it worked LOL.

[@Guide504]

@@BushCampingTools spent much of my time in northern russian arctic, BC and alaska as a guide and the efficacy of a knife/tool in those environments is critical second only to a deep understanding of human factors. I suppose I can be a bit exacting but both mine and mine clients lives used to depend on it so it's kinda hard wired but maybe not so critical for temperate bushcraft. I need to relax a bit and get old gracefully! ;-)

[@BushCampingTools]

@@Guide504 No, no, I hear what you are saying and u are right, the northern regions are much more harsh than the tropics and below and this is def not a knife for such regions as you describe. I think there is no one knife does all but rather a type of knife for a particular environment and and activity. For example u wouldn't catch me daed trying to skin an animal (any animal with this knife-it's just not the right kind, sure one could and should be able to do it if push came to shove-even well before that. A hunting buddy of mine left his hunting knife behind on a bow hunting trip, we were over 650km from home and no where to buy any knives let alone some hunting knife but he managed to gut and skin a wild goat with a broadhead LOL, albeit a lot longer than it took me for my goat LOL.

[@alexstone1808]

...IF I EVER NEED A $9000 DOLLAR CAKE CUTTER. “ I’LL LET YOU KNOW”.

[@BushCampingTools]

LOL, not only will it cut cakes, it will make them and also sen ur kids to college!

[@PizomGagal]

Very good kitchen knife !

[@BushCampingTools]

and more! Hi thanks for watching!

[@PizomGagal]

@@BushCampingTools I would buy it but with proper kydex .

[@perry2768]

Ancora non sono riuscito a comprarlo ma ogni volta che lo vedo mi vibra la carta di credito.Insieme allo shark ci starebbe bene

[@BushCampingTools]

LOL! It's a popular knife for sure, great for food prepping, strong enough for heavy duty tasks (if care of the tip)

[@perry2768]

Adoro questo coltello, metterò un po di soldi da parte...

[@BushCampingTools]

and that money, it will be for a good cause!

[@thetschoni3813]

I like the Design but 230€ is in my opinion to mutch. And I don't like that ER always uses N690... for me this seems a bit idearless...

[@Urdasein]

Why you do'nt like the N690 ?

[@thetschoni3813]

@@Urdasein I like N690! I love it at my Spiderco Police! But I don't think it is not the right answer for every 🔪. I don't think it makes much sense to use the same steel in a folder and in a Kukry! For this price I want to see a steel that is chosen exactly for the perpous of this knives, based on the things it should do.

[@BushCampingTools]

Are you referring to the fact that N690 was developed as a stainless tool steel to operate at high temperature without loosing it's temper and without lubrication, the reason that Cobalt is being incorporated into the alloy; hence no one operates a knife at high speed to generate high temperatures to make best use of the Co feature? I still think it's a good stainless tool steel. I think if it is hardened above 58, then it becomes difficult-well time consuming to sharpen- at least not in a hurry, that's for sure. I don't like talking about money as everyone has a different "disposable income" to spend on non essential items such as outdoor knives LOL however, I was thinking it was one of their reasonable priced knives considering it's fully made in Europe and now many Spanish manufacturers are also moving over to use N690 in their more "higher" priced models. Anyway i do feel it hold a good edge and I have never had one chip ever using on real outdoor timber not chopping blocks of 4X2 in video demos or soft pine with them. But fair enough comment from you for sure!

[@BushCampingTools]

Yes a good point too. However, us mere mortals have no idea about what sort of long term deals ER purchasing has with the sales division at Bohler LOL! And we won't either unless we go work for those divisions LOL.

[@thetschoni3813]

@@BushCampingTools but a long term deal is not my problem. I pay (or don't pay) 230€ or 250$ US. If I pay that much money I want to get a knife that is not just well built but also well thought out. And that's the problem with the steel and ER for me. The quality is unquestionably but the design and effort put into the design is in my opinion not very good.

[@JasonWh]

Can I say it? Just once? Please? THAT'S NOT A KNIFE! THIS IS A KNIFE!!!!!!!!. Ok I got that out of my system.

[@BushCampingTools]

Hi, yes you can! LOL!! Thanks for watching!

[@JasonWh]

@@BushCampingTools You're a ROCKSTAR. Love the detailed "in use" reviews. I've watched them all. I have a quandary, however. I'm looking for one Extrema Ratio for survival, carry, digging, chopping, etc. I trust your experience so which would you use? How about one of the folders??

[@BushCampingTools]

Hi there, thanks very much for saying that! Ok, well survival, is a real big issue. I personally don't like folders for that sort of thing however saying this if you can maintain one satisfactorily in the field (ok I have taken them to deserted islands in the sea-so we really had to not abuse them). i would say the RAOII is your folder. U can def chop with it especially when the blade is locked open with the pin. The weakest link on this folder and even if it did fail, is the small spring, however, it is a quality spring and after all these years of using mine which gets out easily once a week if not more and sometimes, i'm not so clean with the mechanism, and the spring shows no corrosion at all (yeah i used a hand lens LOL!). The knife itself is very strong but compact when folded, you can use it for skinning too due to the blade shape. If you had to choose a folder for what u want from ER then i could recommend this. As for fixed blades from them. i have several suggestions.

[@JasonWh]

@@BushCampingTools Perfect. Thanks for taking the time to get back to me! I will do just that!

[@paulie4x1]

Say Heah Francis, A quick, How you frajolie (How You Bean) Dats'All, Buh bye, Dilly Dilly.,,.p

[@BushCampingTools]

Hey Paul'ie 4X thanks, hope u are well!

[@paulie4x1]

@@BushCampingTools Say Heah Francis, Yup, Imma in a hard place in life, But, God is Good, Oh, Francis, today is my B'Day (10-6-XXXX, Yeah, Imma Plenty-one, heh heh heh, Dilly Dilly.,,.p