Extreme practices of a Tantric Yogi - Like Self Immolation and Coprophagy - Hidden Secrets Part 2.

Continuing on from last weeks discussion about the hidden and secret teachings of Tantric Buddhism this week I explain more about the extreme spiritual practices of the Yogis of the past.
In general we find it easy to accept high philosophic views like non duality and ultimate purity, but when it comes to the actual practices associated with these teachings we often the conduct strange, if not totally deranged- Like the practice of eating shit or self mortification.
00:59 Three types of knowable phenomena
01:44 That which is kept secret because worldly people won't get it
03:49 Extreme practices of Jains and Hindus
06:18 There is logic behind these extreme practices
08:27 The danger of teaching others our own mistaken view
11:35 Why we don't teach the Mahamudra to those who aren't ready yet
15:09 The responsibility of the Teacher and the Student on the Spiritual Path

[@mandragon8108]

From "The Sayings of Sri Ramakrishna" 1073. A Rajah was once taught by his Guru the sacred doctrine of Advaita, which declares that the whole universe is Brahman. The king was very much pleased with this doctrine. Going in, he said to his queen, "There is no distinction between the queen and the queen's maidservant. So the maid-servant shall be my queen henceforth." The queen was thunderstruck at this mad proposal of her lord. She sent for the Guru and complained to him in a piteous tone, "Sir, look at the pernicious result of your teachings," and told him what had occurred. The Guru consoled the queen and said, "When you serve dinner to the king today, have a potful of cow dung also served along with the dish of rice." At dinner-time, the Guru and the king sat down together to eat. Who could imagine the rage of the king when he saw a dish of cow dung served for his meal? The Guru, seeing this, calmly interrogated, "Your Highness, you are well versed in the knowledge of Advaita. Why do you then see any distinction between the dung and the rice?" The king became exasperated and exclaimed, "You who pride yourself on being such a great Advaitin, eat this dung if you can." The Guru said, "Very well," and at once changed himself into a swine and devoured the cow dung with great gusto and afterward again assumed his human shape. The king became so ashamed that he never made again his mad proposal to the queen.

[@Lebensbalsam]

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[@ultimatemeaning]

Thank you for sharing this ManDragon more people need to read it! 🙏🙏🙏

[@mandragon8108]

@@ultimatemeaning Thank you for the opportunity... Best wishes! 🙏

[@svlonestar7645]

@@mandragon8108 thank you, it's going to take me awhile to absorb this, but I'll understand it's lesson and it's important message, thank you again, I'm sorry for being slow but when I get it I remember for life.

[@pandacool1403]

​​​@@svlonestar7645 It means that some people deliberately twist religious and philosophical teachings to engage in their primitive and animalistic desires instead of moving towards spiritual growth. In this example, the guru was trying to teach the king about the concept that the entire world is an all-encompassing maya and an extension of the Brahman, but the king decides to purposefully misconstrue this teaching to cheat on his wife, which upsets his guru, who then challenges him to eat shit instead of rice based on the same flawed logic that he applied to his wife earlier. This exposes the fact that the king's misunderstanding of the Guru's teaching was not a mistake, but a conscious excuse to engage in his base desires. Another example: a guru teaches his student to sit still and meditate, but the student uses this as an excuse to lazily doze off and go to sleep.

[@rush2795]

Your channel is such a treasure for those on the spiritual path. Thank you for sharing your insight 🙏🙏

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thank you for your support friend. Are you a Rush fan BTW? 🙏🙏🙏

[@anuworldorder]

Wow, ....i looked up those big words, .... and people said i was wild, ....i do wild stuff, but not like that, .... thank you for speaking ..... I'm hermit like, .... most people are afraid of discipline, sweat, training for hrs, people said i was crazy ....i like it alot, its my life, your people, culture have given me a very meaningful and most beautiful life i could ever have thank you!! .... your a breathe a fresh air!!

[@vapormissile]

Hermit power activate! ❤ positive waves ❤️

[@ultimatemeaning]

hermitude is discipline friend♥♥♥

[@ocignath3221]

"Great, there is no good or bad I'm going to eat sht" lmaooo

[@kristiespeckful]

of course there are those who enjoy eating shit- that's not what I'm talking about here.

[@ultimatemeaning]

I know eh? lmfao

[@krischena]

well i did.

[@vapormissile]

Chug, chug, chug, chug ​@@krischena

[@krischena]

@@vapormissile hug back loved one

[@keekwajou4930]

All very good points Lama Choga! Regarding checking out our Teacher/Root Guru it is very important to do so with wisdom and skillful means. To an outsider, sometimes their worldly conduct might look chaotic or undisciplined, but in actuality, their conduct is of an enlightened nature; as in the case of my teacher who is in my view, a Mahasiddha. The eventuality of their conduct results in ultimate benefit for all beings because their motivation and skillful means is solely based in Compassion for all Sentient Beings. If a teacher doesn’t not hold the Perfection of Compassion, then we’d better watch out and look for our Root Guru elsewhere. Tashi Delek and Sarvamangalam!!!

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thanks for sharing your insight friends. My teacher often says that we don't have the special karma to meet Mahasiddhas and Buddhas, but at the same time many Westerners believe every Tibetan teacher is an enlightened master ♥♥♥

[@keekwajou4930]

@@ultimatemeaning that’s interesting your teacher would say that as plenty of students met Shakyamuni Buddha, the Mahasiddhas and Guru Rimpoche back in the day. I wonder why he said that nowadays we don’t have that karma. I find that hard to believe as I’ve met HH 17th Karmapa O.T.D. and so have thousands of other people have and he is regarded, at least to me and my direct Sangha as a living Buddha.

[@SteveCondron]

I spent 4 months meditating 8 hours a day alone. What I learned from that I have tried to impart to others and very few can remember what I have said. I figured that those to whom I spoke were trying to place my words into a frame of reference which they didn't have.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Why not do a full day meditating, did you have to work as well?

[@gristly_knuckle]

May Master bless you with the staff of Hermes. Amen. 🙏🏼

[@SteveCondron]

@@gristly_knuckle at least

[@SteveCondron]

@@ultimatemeaning 8 hours worked

[@ShimmerBodyCream]

Great commentary, as usual. You made it make perfect sense how misinterpreting these teachings because of our own afflictions can cause issues.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thanks Shimmers I am glad you got something out of it! ♥♥♥

[@DrFrankenskippy]

Thank you v much enjoyed this presentation. The gravitational force to self identify in bondage to our perceived TimeSpace bound form keeps us locked into delineating our existence ad infinitum irrespective of any philosophical understanding of our true nature as emptiness. Left path practices such as shamanic flight (astral/lucid dreaming whether via psychedelics or meditation, mudra and mantra combinations etc) can certainly put the practitioner face to perceived face with entities from realms that are deemed to have IQ, EQ and energetic dominance over them and so this can certainly force the hand of deep surrender to true acceptance and realisation of our empty nature and hence rise beyond the 'fear' of such experiences or else risk the egoic breakdown and even death if fear is too overpowering to allow the practitioner to evolve at that juncture. This is certainly an argument for the importance of studying under the guidance of enlightened guru's and teachers associated to lineages of applied wisdom lore and qualitative principle geared knowledge.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thanks fr sharing tat friend 🙏🙏🙏

[@DrFrankenskippy]

@@ultimatemeaning thank you, I really enjoy and appreciate your presentations

[@sonjalingchungtsang1097]

Very important teaching. Looking forward to hearing the full content tonight. Thank you Lama ❤ (Well, all of the Buddha Dharma teachings are extremely relevant and important - no distinction to be made)

[@ultimatemeaning]

Look forward to seeing you there♥

[@e_ejjay8222]

This is such a good video. Thank you. Felt like you were talking directly to me. Needed this one.

[@ultimatemeaning]

I am talking to you friend, because you are listening ♥♥♥

[@e_ejjay8222]

@@ultimatemeaning you are my friend. I am listening. I no longer wish to use language to manipulate others. It is hard being worldly. So many people's words are projections onto my heart.

[@e_ejjay8222]

@@ultimatemeaning I actually made a video kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJbZqnZrq5ytaZYsi=y89hN8htJVBjqYVK honestly. I always put my heart out there and it's always manipulated

[@omfgacceptmyname]

"we only apply to those things we attached to" thanks

[@ultimatemeaning]

🙏🙏🙏

[@cooperward-rc1sx]

Alan watts fans should listen to this

[@krischena]

everybody schould.

[@krischena]

who on earth is alan wats anyways? it seems no-one is recommanding him

[@cooperward-rc1sx]

Watts, now passed, once a popular speaker/entertainer in the West, and was considered my the young the be an authority on much of eastern spiritual thought, particularly buddhism. While he wasn't a stupid person, he was definitely not an authority, and it would be far more accurate to call his lectures an attempt at assimilating buddhism for the ends of Watts. He was guilty of what is mentioned here- the use of concepts like rejecting duality as an excuse to be enslaved to worldly vices

[@kevinmalone6132]

I am...

[@sophiafletcher314]

I really enjoyed the subject and understood a great deal of it. Love and blessings. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@ultimatemeaning]

How wonderful to hear, if it is easy to understand that is a bonus!

[@sophiafletcher314]

@@ultimatemeaning I have absorbed quite a lot over the years. And it is wonderful to have this connection with Gerontas Aimilianos who takes you on a journey through the Cosmos. 🙏🙏

[@mono6839]

Thank you also for this video! Ravindra Murthy said it well in your joint video, many of these topics are much better handled in a dialog, just when you know the language game of the other well and also when you can better assess the experience horizon of the other. As far as I know, even the wisest people in India did not understand Nâgârjuna at the time and thought he was a nihilist (which he absolutely was not). The Elf gildor Inglorion was imho right when he said to Frodo: “Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise.” 😉. Best wishes from Germany! 🙏

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thank so much for your support Mono 🙏🙏🙏

[@mono6839]

@@ultimatemeaning 😊🙏

[@robertkneisel1360]

Great video! Thanks for the perspective!

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thanks for watching Robert

[@donellacurley4941]

Absolutely see your point. Good teachings on why tantric is to be kept secret, really should be, agreed. Ignorance come in all forms, hidden teachings are hidden for a reason, exploiting them could be very dangerous to those who do not understand. To say it mildly I REALLY have a difficult time just trying to practice bodhicitta. Thinking if someone were to serve up a plate of excrement I would have to ask, "What portion is the clean part?"

[@ultimatemeaning]

😆🤣😆 You make me giggle 😆🤣😆

[@donellacurley4941]

@@ultimatemeaning 🤣🤣🤗

[@gbyjrjn]

Life is hard and at times a change of pace is needed... Gotta do something. Might as well test the limits of the body and the spirit while we're at it.

[@ultimatemeaning]

"Gotta do something" and make it worthwhile too! ♥♥♥

[@tomward5293]

Thank you for this teaching. Slight diversion from the main intention of this video, but it would be wonderful to hear about the difference between the method of Mahamudra compared to Dzogchen should you cover this in the future.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Yeah good point the methods do differ slightly but the end result is the same!

[@apatheliac]

I love this channel 🙂

[@ultimatemeaning]

MAkes it worthwhile that I know it is useful to you. Thanks ♥♥♥

[@sophiafletcher314]

LOOKING FORWARD TO YOU TEACHING. LAMA CHOGA LA. ❤❤❤❤

[@ClaraMagdalenaDesposyni]

Self-immolation is also a form of political protest. Such has frequently occurred in Tibet by those protesting the Chinese occupation, in general, and the brutality to which imprisoned Tibetan Buddhists are subjected by their Chinese captors. First Nations people -- specifically, the Tsalagi (Cherokee) -- have also practiced self-immolation. Certain spiritually advanced Tsalagi self-immolated to avoid the coming changes predicted by the invasion of Europeans that began in the 1400's. In this case, it was not a form of political protest. Rather, it was a conscious choice to remove themselves from a vibration of reality they did not want to participate in.

[@ultimatemeaning]

And Korea, Vietnam, and it has firm roots in Buddhist practice. Inspired by the MahaYana view♥♥♥

[@ytombot]

your writing is incredible

[@ultimatemeaning]

Writing? Do you mean the video script? It was unscripted. And I appreciate your vvote of confidence friend ♥♥♥

[@ytombot]

@@ultimatemeaning much love

[@PP-G]

Looking forwrd to this teaching. I was asked by an elder Tibetan lady (on Holy Isle)what i thought of Buddhist Nuns self imolation as protest in Tibet..i was shocked at the notion of how desperate this woman was to carry out such a protest..i still have no answer but feel sadness and confusion.

[@AscendingGuru]

It's subjective though. I once saw myself on top of Mount Kailash, butt naked. I had to take off my clothes, it was too warm. But I held them close. Then I just realized I was imagining things, so it put ideas in my head. I imagined it was getting hot, so I had to remove my clothes. But it was snow and the top of a mountain. And this is very normal, but people with control over their imagination can do it skillfully. Morbid, but we seem to all die here, sooner or later. Eyy, it could be sooner than you think, no need to worry about life, I mean the rich are buying underground bunkers. Like a lot of rich people for this. And why are everyone so damn chill about the UFO😂 Thats like super significant happening!

[@whalescolive]

I appreciate your thoughts

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thanks friend

[@yvonneseihu5764]

You are an amazing teacher Lama Chöga la...thank you for your precious time teaching us🙏🪷❤

[@DougDeYoung-gt4id]

Thanks for not feeding me a load of sh*t like a lot of people do on KZbin!!🤣 I've heard I can't walk the path to liberation because I hunt some of my own food oh and I don't drive a Prius or a Subaru!

[@ultimatemeaning]

I drive a 2002 ford ranger! But really it is a Japanese car! ♥♥♥

[@DougDeYoung-gt4id]

Well then, you are not a real practitioner of western Buddhism! 🤣

[@Openskylook]

Description bellow of th0is video alone gave me trauma b😂 you dared to touch the topic which most of the spiritualists on KZbin would and will not dare. Its so traumatizing when you see it in your own perspective but in thiers perspective(those who practice it) it totaly makes sense to them.

[@ultimatemeaning]

I hope you aren't truly traumatized or that the video gets an 18+ rating

[@Openskylook]

​@@ultimatemeaninga person with more then needed anxiety,stress and PTSD problem with always will be traumatized even tiny glimpse of such topics. it's fun and funny when movies and video with r rating use that topic. But it's become serious when spiritualits touch that tropic so it inducedtiny amount of trauma at triggers PTSD of some. Its it was all fun,laughs and game when movies and video games used the topic(al the graphic, blood,gore and violenence. until spiritualits entered in.🤣🤣

[@NickOng78]

Thank you!

[@ultimatemeaning]

My pleasure Nick! ♥🧡🧡

[@ChadKingOfficial]

I also heard of a practice where you deprive yourself from sleep, sometimes accompanied with starvation.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Yes and this is quite dangerous, can even lead to death!

[@iilikecereal]

This may be unrelated to the video, but honestly I've found that while my life has some extreme lows, I really do enjoy the experience of living and having connections to the physical world. Overcoming challenges, experiencing love, learning about the different systems at play in the world around me... I don't know, I think this spirit of mine could go quite a few more cycles before I'm ready to move on. What is your perspective on this? Is this foolish, or do you think that it's perfectly okay to want to be "left in the oven for a few more minutes"?

[@ClaraMagdalenaDesposyni]

I have lived amongst the Amish. I was also a member of a Mennonite community for a number of years. There's nothing about the Mennonites that I would consider to be extreme. Mennonite people are very hard-working, honest, family-oriented and community-minded people with a strong sense of social responsibility and helping one's neighbors. Nothing really extreme about them. The Amish are a bit more restricted by their unwillingness to adopt modern technology. That being said, it's not hard for me to understand their motivation behind their choices.

[@ultimatemeaning]

I think they are most excellent, it wasn't about them being extreme the point was that it isn't only Eastern traditions that people find strange, and many people are suspicious of these sorts of communities (although unfounded) and can't imagine why they would try to artificially live in the past. But I expected some to get the point the wrong way, because there just isn't enough time to get into any detail 🙏🙏🙏

[@miguelatkinson]

​@@ultimatemeaningumm their is a reason why people are suspicious of extremely closed off communities like the Mennonites

[@mystique-1337]

"All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be enslaved by anything. All things are lawful, but not all things build up." 1 Corinthians 10 "For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love be servants of one another. " Galatians 5:13 All religions should unite against these people looking for metaphysical and spiritual justifications for their hedonism.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thanks for sharing the biblical wisdom my friend 🙏🙏🙏

[@ninaallchurch3101]

Sharing of excrement totally gonzo - feels like mass hysteria one upmanship kind of thing to please the master with extremity! Bizarre!

[@ultimatemeaning]

Exactly why some teachings are better left unsaid lol

[@ninaallchurch3101]

@@ultimatemeaning LOL yip - This is where I part company from the no good-no bad concept ... I have big bright red lines on some items LOL

[@ultimatemeaning]

@@ninaallchurch3101 That's the kinda clarity we all need NIna! lol

[@tomward5293]

Thanks!

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thanks Tom that is one lunch for a retreatant in May!

[@SteveCondron]

Thanks

[@ultimatemeaning]

🙏🙏🙏

[@insanezenmistress]

I heard somewhere there is a tradition of observing the teacher for 12 years before trying to seek them out for instruction. I think it is an old zen thing ida know. Seems fair that it should also apply in reverse.

[@ultimatemeaning]

It is taught like that in the sutras and tantras in fact that is what my teacher Akong Rinpoche said to me before I went into retreat, and then he passed into parrinirvana a few years later. Missed out!♥🧡🧡

[@Lumio_Draco]

So I can't help being fixated on this question (and if there is a video on it please let me know where to look). Why is it so important for monks to be celibate other than for obvious social reasons? What is the spiritual and/or meditative reasons?

[@ultimatemeaning]

Those who keep the vows of personal liberation focus primarily on avoiding the causes of giving rise to the kleshas (mind poisons) and so reduce the causes for engaging in negative karmic acts. By this they are said to gain fortunate rebirths where they can progress further on the spiritual journey until they remove all there emotional obscurations. Once the causes for negative Karma are eliminated and previous negative acts are purified they attain the state of an Arhat. In the Mahayana they focus more on intention and less on action

[@Lumio_Draco]

@@ultimatemeaning would I be correct in assuming these kleshas are greed, hatred, and ignorance? Or is that oversimplifying it?

[@LucysSonarDreams]

I have lived in cities my entire life, I love people and being social, but I wouldn't mind some time of hermitage maybe a year or two, or moving to the country for a while. I think it's funny the lady who gave you ride couldn't understand wanting ones life to slow down for a while like going to a retreat center.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Yeah she really didn't get it, but it is quite normal when a monastery enters a new community, the locals are always very suspicious, and then after 10 years or so they totally reverse their position ♥🧡🧡

[@LucysSonarDreams]

@@ultimatemeaning that makes sense, maybe I just got used to it growing up around grand parents in california who practiced western buhdism, and a uniterian mother and father, who took me to plenty of temples in san diego, like the genesh temple, and buhdist temples, and let my other grand parrents take me catholic church, so I guess I grew up a little more diverse than most, and somtimes I forget that.

[@krobbins8395]

I understood something from that discussion about what happens when you in inhale a pleasant smell you say AHHhh right and with proper breathing teachings you create nitric oxide that helps your cells to support many benefits. The masters are so clever so take time to stop and smell the flowers.

[@ultimatemeaning]

and also smell the poop 😆🤣😆

[@waltershumer4211]

If there's no good or bad then why does it matter if someone gets the wrong teaching?

[@ultimatemeaning]

because there is good and bad (for us) and because of our rather strong preferences it is extremely important to be careful.

[@waltershumer4211]

@@ultimatemeaning "us" meaning the uninitiated, or enlightened? I find this whole business very demoralizing. Not to mention confusing. Thanks for explaining all this to us

[@Ajooze]

“Don’t knock eating shit until you try it!” You don’t know the number of people who have said this thing in my life. Maybe not “shit” per se, but “shit” nevertheless!

[@ultimatemeaning]

Trust me its not so bad it is association mainly♥♥♥

[@neerdas5103]

hi, your teaching is interesting. in the rigveda, there is a lot of mention about soma. did they basically mean male semen with that? and if I remember correctly, they also give some analogy about mixing it with female breast milk? am I asking the right questions

[@ultimatemeaning]

We call it Bodhicitta and that refers to semen, and it is retained🙏🙏🙏

[@pandacool1403]

From what i know, soma is believed to have been a mushroom drink with psychedelic effects. Not semen.

[@zigorro3478]

What exactly is the purpose to sleeping in a box?

[@OzoTenzing]

Alright!

[@ultimatemeaning]

👍

[@DevonHberman-im6bx]

It would be interesting to see if there is someone clairvoyant enough to look through human history and be capable of gauging which has caused more harm: Genuine hedonists just going about their licentious ways Or Spiritual teachers and followers adopting practices which deny them sexual experiences until they lose control of themselves.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Institutionalised religion is certainly responsible for a lot of harm throughout the ages

[@DevonHberman-im6bx]

@@ultimatemeaning with all the stuff about the younger generations not having much sex, my guess is institutions will be by far the largest source of sexual misconduct for the coming generation. The lack of proper socialization, the bombarding of content about how wealth and status equal attractiveness for men and a lot of built up sexual-sadism from explicit content makes me feel that society has a strong wave of impending negative sexual karma.

[@bozobrigade5704]

Do you believe that warriors, in the proper sense (soldiers), can achieve enlightenment?

[@ultimatemeaning]

Yes, there is the Tibetan lama who realised the true nature of phenomena whilst raising his sword over his head to slay his enemiy

[@edenrose8831]

People haven’t figured out how to stop causing harm with sex, how can they possibly think they can do super power sex stuff? It just grosses me out if a so-called spiritual teacher is peddling anything to do with sex. Red flag, and eww.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Yeah and soooo much trouble comes out of it. But we are like addicts to Samsara bring about our own downfall all the while convincing ourselves that it is justified ♥♥♥

[@miguelatkinson]

@edenrose8831 ask for a person consent when in engaging in sex and also make sure you and the person are comfortable one can have sex without causing harm what are you waffling on about

[@edenrose8831]

@@miguelatkinson what I’m “waffling on about?” You seem a bit charged up! I was referencing more the act of peddling sex by so-called spiritual teachers moreso than how not to rape someone. Please take care.

[@AscendingGuru]

Baptist being bitten by serpent is kinda mild. The old school ones will straight up drown you. They want the NDE. I met some badass baptists once. Muslims too, the Turkish Sufis are very strong in their practise, Turkey was always a place of cultural mingling, like the red on their flag was from Syrian Rue, wich they still smoke around rooms as incense. They even have their own mad honey, like in Nepal.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Yeah the hallucinogenic honey attracts a lot of Westerners for sure!

[@AscendingGuru]

@@ultimatemeaning Let them fight

[@DevonHberman-im6bx]

Syrian Rue for incense is exoteric practice. Eating fistfuls of it is esoteric practice. Based off personal experience; not recommended 😂😂😂 I couldn’t imagine what Muhammad was reported saying in a Hadith- In the original Arabic: مَن شَرِبَ الحَرمَلَ أربَعينَ صَباحا كُلَّ يَومٍ مِثقالاً لاَستَنارَ الحِكمَةُ في قَلبِهِ ، وعوفِيَ مِنِ اثنَينِ وسَبعينَ داءً ؛ أهوَنُهُ الجُذامُ . In Persian: هر كس به مدّت چهل روز ، هر صبح ، يك مثقال هزارْ اسپند حل كرده در آب بخورد ، نور حكمت در دلش روشن مى‏شود و از 72 بيمارى كه كمترين آنها جذام است ، ايمنى مى‏يابد . In English: Whoever for 40 days, eats 1 mesghal harmala mixed in water in every morning, the light of wisdom will turn on in his\her heart and he\she will be immune from 72 diseases that the least of them is leprosy Note: 1 mesghal = 4.64 grams Lemme tell ya, that is f0000kin absurd 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@AscendingGuru]

@@DevonHberman-im6bx Yeah, the sufis, especially those who incorporate yoga, hermaticism and shamanism are basically the same at the highest level, they are enlightened beings, they can stop their heart and stuff. I was very surprised. They have their own chakra tree and stuff. Very deep heart awareness. Definitely worth a look.

[@DevonHberman-im6bx]

@@AscendingGuru this stopping the heart thing intrigued me with a terrifying poignancy… I had a trip of combination, Psilocybe Cubensis, Syrian Rue and DMT tea made from Mimosa Hostilis (Don’t be a foolish young psychonaut like me, don’t do these things lol) And there was a point in the experience where I was dialoguing with some being, and they expressed that exact sentiment to me because the trip had become nightmarish and inescapable; it said something like, “You can simply choose to stop your heart if you wish, you are in a state where you can just voluntarily decide to die because your psyche is so close to being severed from the body you can just choose to leave if you want. Just stop breathing.” Needless to say that terrified me to the point of some sort of psychosis where I found myself basically reciting a mantra to survive. I was just mumbling to myself, “I can’t let my friends come up here and find me dead in their bathroom while they’re tripping balls, it’ll destroy them forever.” And I probably repeated that to myself for about 10 minutes or something until it went away (your sense of time is completely gone) My hard-earned wisdom: Don’t heedlessly throw yourself into things you’re not ready for 😂😂😂🤷‍♂️

[@Happy_Limpet]

tuna salad for me , you do you thou .

[@ShaneIsAlways]

😂🙏🕉☸️

[@ultimatemeaning]

Limpet salad mate! 🙏🙏🙏

[@ShaneIsAlways]

@@ultimatemeaning hilarious 🙏🕉☸️

[@ShaneIsAlways]

@@ultimatemeaning One taste gents 🙏

[@JadedIgnorance]

On the reference on eating shit I dont feel it's about eating it but using it as mud to grow the better lotus the more difficult something is the harder it pushes you and grinds and molds your own blade personally I'm more about inner mastery when it comes to energy work I find healing people very easy to the point I can look at my mother do thus thing with my eyes see all the negative energy in Herr I usually put my left hand on her head then my right hand up to the sky breath in then alchinize her pain I can also do this from range poi Ted at her

[@ultimatemeaning]

No there are many stories about eating actual shit. Famously Khenpo Gangshar would share his poo with the students and the students would share their poo with him

[@krischena]

jep shiatsu the same

[@Imakittymoo1337]

Buddha wants you to increase wisdom and Intelligence, Kali and Shiva want you to increase Dexterity and Charisma.

[@MikeTooleK9S]

stop worrying and love gamification 😊

[@ultimatemeaning]

amification

[@That_Freedom_Guy]

Thank you. 🙏🏻✌🏻🧡

[@ultimatemeaning]

🙏🙏🙏

[@gristly_knuckle]

Ah yes, when master Bha’al demands sacrifice, one must self-flaggelate in order to offer the righteous flesh to the diety of terror. This is no different if you possess a new orientation.

[@DominykaSchrei]

-phagy, there's a typo :)

[@ultimatemeaning]

sorry will correct

[@AscendingGuru]

Ah! Self-immolation - YOLO!

[@ultimatemeaning]

♥🧡🧡

[@svlonestar7645]

Dude, you're a monk? You're talking about eating shit, and other shit I don't understand. I gotta watch this again..

[@ultimatemeaning]

Sorry it triggers you friend. But there is a really important point to this video, so I hope it brings more help than harm ♥♥♥

[@svlonestar7645]

@@ultimatemeaning hahaha, harm? Definitely not.. thank you for sharing.

[@MacShrike]

Dear Choga & et al., This eating shit analogy had me puzzled until I remembered my mention of my intent for starting this "Cooking without ingredients" channel. I have been meditating about renunciation a bit; and, although enticing, I am not sure if I have given the pre-Buddha/Siddhartha opulent luxury & decadence experience a honest try. I mean I get it, after you have had it all what more can you want? You need something more and in the end there is no more. But if you had nothing, why not get some experience in that, that something you never had, it loses its shine and taste after a certain time. The experience evasion seems to be an upper-class end game as such. I somehow keep feeling that this is just trying to keep the "ugly" kids away from the party.

[@ultimatemeaning]

😆🤣😆 Don't buy until you try Mac 😆🤣😆

[@anuworldorder]

I was taught things most don't know exist, ..... teachings are not for everyone ..... that's why you test for years before you give any extreame knowledge, it's important to know the integrity and heart of others ..... most would destroy themselves People spied on me and thought they knew what i was doing, they tried whatever they thought and really Fd up their lives, souls, Idiots and i don't feel bad for them

[@ultimatemeaning]

And destroy ourselves we do♥♥♥

[@matt-s9e]

come on dude teach the taoist magic. show them why the brown brothers of Italy as well as guan gong drew the yin from the moon. fucking hell guys do we have to riddle magic or what. truly much love but wow there is a river a chi to see here.

[@RobertKempf122]

EWWW, he said sh_t, naughty. But I admit, this was not a sh_t video.

[@ultimatemeaning]

everybody poops and almost all living creatures as well 😆🤣😆

[@joshuasobers7906]

Just need Jesus in your life .

[@ultimatemeaning]

Jesus is awesome friend! ♥♥♥

[@AzmialPrime]

Pretty sure I know which female lama you were talking about. Definitely a lot of hanky panky in that monastery, the stories.... I had it out with her a decade ago. She called me arrogant. I probably am. 🤷 I mean, even Steven Segal is a lama now! 😂 🐕‍🦺🙏🐕‍🦺

[@ultimatemeaning]

Yeah it wouldn't be hard to work out who it was, but I mean come on, because of a lack of contraception! Bonkers!

[@AzmialPrime]

@@ultimatemeaning She's something else. Had it out with her on Twitter, like a decade ago. Not really trolling, just like hey this seems weird. She hated me. I shouldn't have engaged her, but I was new in Buddhism.