Exway Atlas - a DIY esk8 builders reaction.

[@Antonio-lf9ob]

The production atlas will be powered by 4240 160kv motors. It is possible to buy the extra drivetrain and esc as an accessory to make the rwd atlas to awd atlas. There will be hub and direct drive powertrains suited for the atlas in near future. There will be an 11” rkp trist truck released later this year. The second batch of atlas is expected to be shipped by around June.

[@LeeWright]

Thats really interesting, I'm going to pin this

[@DanielKwan]

Really interesting to get your perspective. Learned a few things 👍

[@LeeWright]

Thanks bro, I tried to do a more technical commentary but in the end there aren't that many details on the website.

[@palsowen6112]

I lovebu

[@eBoard3R]

*For me, a lot of that info confirms what many suspect, the 4WD is more or less bein utilised as a gimmick, not quite true 4WD, especially limitin output etc.* I call this board Tiny Dancer cos of those motors 😂

[@LeeWright]

I'm surprised at the size of the motors tbh mate, I was expecting bigger motors for sure. I reckon they will be fine in 4WD, but maybe slightly underpowered in 2wd?

[@eBoard3R]

@@LeeWright I'm not likin Tiny Dancer right now. I saw the first pics a while back and waited, reserved judgement in case they were just testin but it's become apparent they really are goin with tiny motors 😭 I'm gonna be super curious about some Unbiased reviews of both 2WD & 4WD. The first ones will likely be promo from Ambassadors and such so might be a while til we see some real reviews.

[@hellmato]

Have you guys seen the uphill speed test video from Daniel Kwan? The Atlas 2WD version outperformed all other contenders (incl Onsra Black Carve 2 which has 6368 motors). How is this possible with such small motors (esp in 2WD config)? Any idea?

[@TunaIRL]

@@hellmato Daniels showed and said in the video that Atlas uses a better ESC than most other Production boards. This basically means the motors are able to draw more power from the battery dispite the size.

[@cryptodude_btc]

After evaluating the variables from various boards and then my person needs regarding range, I decided to get the Exway Atlas 4WD. I know lots of people are probably going to say I'm stupid cuz the range is sub par and the motors aren't big enough. However after looking into the pro's vs con's of manufactured eboards vs dyi eboards, this board seems to be the best bang for the buck with the least amount of risk and maintenance. I debated on going with a Trampa build but all things considered it was going to be significantly more expensive and was still leaving me less confident with regards to safety.

[@LeeWright]

I reckon you have probably got yourself a great board there dude!

[@cryptodude_btc]

@@LeeWright Once received I'll be sure to do a review! Thanks for the quality information Lee!

[@cryptodude_btc]

@@LeeWright Well I finally got my Atlas! AND OMG SO MUCH FUN!!!

[@guzzlerman8164]

I enjoyed the vid Lee. I have a soft spot for Exway since I own a Flex and it got me invested in e-skate very quickly to the point that I wanted an all-terrain board. I was looking at the Flux Motion and the Atlas was on the horizon (which was intriguing) but then I came across your content and went full DIY e-mountainboard with some considerable (and much appreciated) help from the community (mostly you and Apex). Like you, I worry a little for Exway that the price point is just too high, especially given a lot of the peripherals (fenders and bash guards) would need to be purchased separately. It also looks as though the Atlas moves away from being too proprietary (I'm looking at you 12 elliptical hole wheel pulley!) which can only be good thing as I think most people want options when it comes to wheels in particular (and especially when shipping to Europe for Exway accessories is so costly - not Exway's fault I appreciate - and can take a while).

[@davidlinscheid2321]

Yes, Lee, too expensive, unless they send you one to review and can tell us it is worth the money! Good point also regarding the different feel of 4 wd versus 2wd. I had not thought of that.

[@LeeWright]

Hehe, I think there is a lot to be said for the difference in ride feel. They are not comparable really

[@gajdacsgergo8187]

" The motors used in the engineering prototype are the same as those used on the Flex-Riot, i.e. 4230 160kV brushless motors. Meanwhile, the mass-production Atlas uses 4240 160kV brushless motors. The 4240 motors have a lower calorific value, allowing them to withstand 30% more maximum power than the 4230’s. They will be able to function under high load for extended periods of time. "

[@Antonio-lf9ob]

Thank you for clearing up!

[@blise518B]

I guess the 4wd version only has 3000W because its limited by the battery. It’s a good thing that they seem to be honest here. It shows that the probably stated there actual power not just some stupid inflated number that the battery can’t even support like evolve. The 4wd version could be somewhat okay but for that price you can DIY a better board.

[@LeeWright]

If it is a 12S34P 30Q pack it can produce 4000W, I think its more to conserve battery life

[@blise518B]

@@LeeWright 4000W is is only possible for a very short time with a completely full battery. At 20A the voltage very quickly saggs to around 3,6V -3,4V and then the absolute maximum power is something like 3200W-3500W for a 12s4p 30q 3000W can be reached even if the battery is getting somewhat low so it’s a Great choice to set the maximum power 3000W so the board always behaves the same way regardless of the charge. Of course it’s also good for the lifetime to not push the battery all the way but if they want to keep the stats real 4000W would be a bit of a lie.

[@sublimedesk8244]

Sweet video Lee, nice insight to thr atlas. Will be interesting to see what, if any QC issue come with the first couple batches.

[@AGuamsk8er]

My Flex has 4230/160kv motors so those are most likely the same. These motors are going to be plenty for most people on street wheels; I'm 6'3, 250 and I can punch it up to 25mph and I can maintain 15-20 up pretty substantial hills and they only get slightly warm. I'm not sure how these motors will do with AT wheels, that will probably depend on how you decide to gear them.

[@akirasposion]

Really good job designing the board. For the price of the 4 wheel drive, they should include everything on the video but the Shred lights.That would justify that price a little bit more. I was waiting for this board,but at that price range, I rather get a Lacroix or downgrade and get the wowgo AT2. I like being able to switch the battery, I was expecting them to use 21700 instead of the 18650.I am personally more interested in Belt drive or Gear drive. Direct drive hmmm. Not a good sale for me and hub is limited too much. If they were to adjust the pricing I would consider it but I feel that they are Bitting more than they can chew. I would get the street all wheel drive and get the wheels, pulleys and belts from somebody else for that price. I am very disappointed on the pricing especially in the middle of a pandemic where jobs are scarce and there isn't much money to go around. I wish them best of luck and hopefully they can make it out of this pandemic. @ Lee Wright. Thank you for your honest opinion

[@mountainsmedia9529]

That pic of the board going down the stairs I would bet that either that was ‘posed’ for OR the rider came away from the board within a couple steps 😂. Good review fella

[@LeeWright]

Its in there promotional video as a clip and looks like it was done! Quite impressive on DKP trucks

[@mountainsmedia9529]

In that case fair play to them 🤘🤘

[@TheEVside]

Great video and good look at this board. Like it but not impressed with 4wd range and price

[@MarkHybridZ]

Super interesting deep dive video Lee. For realzies 🤙🏽👊🏽

[@LeeWright]

For realzies bro 👌

[@NullBlox]

Great video as usual Lee!

[@LeeWright]

Thanks Zach!

[@anthonycraig274]

the motors can be tuned down or even turned off.The physical motors stay on, just a software tweak.

[@jeremyhaile804]

What you say @21 minutes about limiting power in 4WD seems inline with other things Hobbywing does. For example, lots of boards have MPH/KPH limits what change with wheel size, when you would expect the top speed to go up. They also limit amps on a software level in other scenarios from what I understand. They’ve never been about getting the max out of hardware (motors and batteries). They seem to prioritize range and smoothness. None the less, pretty cool board and great job on the video.

[@LeeWright]

Yeah that's super interesting, I agree though it's not always about the power!

[@Josette321]

Interesting, thank

[@phizicks]

Even though I already bought my Eovan carbon pro, still looking out for this board. mainly looking at the battery pack and what manufacturer cells they used. I don't like wireless on/off, it means your board is wasting power when not used. if you don't ride for a month, your battery is lost a lot so you need to consider fully charging again before any ride. had that with the Inboard M1 which was a crappy board anyway. I don't mind it as a power off feature since the board could be mucky after a ride. If your battery pack gets that hot, better jump off before it ignites (being li-ion)

[@LeeWright]

Its confirmed to be a 12S4P Samsung 30Q pack. Too right about the inboard M1! I borrowed one once and it was horrendous

[@phizicks]

@@LeeWright I got the M1 for free so couldn't complain. but 30Q isn't really enough for these motors. you need 5P at least otherwise rides are too slow or expect a low range. The torque could be due to battery sag. it'salready bad enough with 2 motors in 4P size, 4 motors would not be anywhere as good. Eovan use 4P 21700 panasonic :)

[@Antonio-lf9ob]

As I can see you don’t own an exway. You can turn off the standby mode in the exway app. Standby mode will automatically disable when the battery percentage is low. The max. standby time on exway boards is 7days. Also, the standby mode doesn’t take that much of power. Cheers

[@langcheng5443]

Cells are likely Sony VTC6, like on the Flex, which would make sense from a buying power perspective and the math checks out for the watt hours. Meaning the pack is capable up to 60 A and around 3000W peak. Hobbywing is generally significantly underpowered compared to even some budget VESCs, so to squeeze out all the performance of the battery, Exway has to resort to slapping on 2 drivetrains. We're talking about 15-24 A per side on most Chinese street boards utilizing the ESC, likely that Exway's inhouse ESC can do 40 A total at 12s to sustain 2000W, then slap on another to reduce average load

[@LeeWright]

I have no experience on the hobby wing but it does really feel like this board would be more suited to 4wd. I appreciate your insight dude

[@Antonio-lf9ob]

The atlas is using 30Q cells due to delays in the supply chain. Exway’s hobbywing esc are not generic hobbywing escs. As some knows, exway is owned by hobbywing and therefore they only gets the newest and best esc made by hobbywing. Take the swappable drivetrain for example. Cheers

[@langcheng5443]

@@Antonio-lf9ob I have a lot of criticisms of my own about the board which I hope the less technically experienced customers would understand. There's a lot to talk about, but imma just summarize power. Hardware being custom or the "newest and best" does not automatically mean it's up for the job. Exway already advertises that the 2wd underutilizes the battery, meaning the motors are power limited and the esc is hardware/software limited. If Exway needs 2 ESCs to utilize the entire 60A battery, that already says a lot about a single ESC's continuous discharge. A single 100-160A dual channel VESC can already handle the entire battery and then some at a good price too ($180-$230). Then it gets more complicated with how expensive the board is compared to premium esk8 While these ESCs aren't esk8 applicable, Hobbywing already has high current speed controllers at the same 12s voltage for RC boats. They can do up to 100A+ on just one channel. Plus they have business contracts in more specialized fields. So they do have the resources to make VESC power esk8 ESCs, but I guess it's either challenging or decided against it for business reasons.

[@waimanlam3035]

I think we have to remember if you are the in the UK this price will have extra charges. The price does not include VAT.

[@Prettygoodbro]

Hey man tryna decide for Meepo hurricane vs eovan gts vs exway atlas 2wd hard decision!!! looking for a board that’s gonna last me a while as well

[@akalia_07]

I'm excited!!!!

[@jamieniche]

Sound like they have missed the mark slightly. They could have literally ended evolve with this board if the specs had been just bit better. Maybe 4 x 5055 motors and 12s4p 40t cells. Pitched at the same price as an evolve board. Shame, still a nice looking board but I just wish they had gone further.

[@planetfeelgood17]

Thanks Lee* ~ Bless Up's Bro* 😊🍀🌟

[@LeeWright]

You are welcome bro!

[@planetfeelgood17]

@@LeeWright Thanks bro! Looking forward to all getting together some jouyous time.. keep shining and sharing in the good vibes!! Bless Up's!! 🌟🌟🌟

[@bomleny]

Good review - agree for that $ can get the cycleeagle now Propel 4WD

[@Sk0rc]

Maybe there are different motors for 2WD and 4WD, that would explain why the torque and max power are not twice as big as the 2WD...

[@LeeWright]

No mate they are the same, it's a battery conservation technique I think

[@Antonio-lf9ob]

Maybe, maybe not 😏

[@bryanjohnson8162]

After having direct drive. I can't go back to changing belts or rough ride hub motors.

[@LeeWright]

Yeah, it deffo spoils ya

[@creative-and-code]

Was hoping you’d do this :)

[@LeeWright]

Kinda completing the circle really based on what happened last year

[@milesmorales8455]

Thanks Jay Boston👍. For your part in making this thing happen. Maybe this time don't give the Atlas demo board to evolve (you stooge). Or do maybe do then evolve can actually learn a few things & then copy. Btw the Atlas motors are on the small & weak side.🙁

[@creative-and-code]

@@milesmorales8455 nothing here I feel for evolve to be concerned about. Yes was a bad move on my part. Lesson learnt.

[@Antonio-lf9ob]

@@milesmorales8455 Exway may or may not send evolve an atlas for free 😏

[@LeeWright]

We all make mistakes Jay, it's about how you own it and move on that matters. ✌

[@tas8]

1:30 Lee, no response from Exway! At least it wasn't a warranty claim. I made a sales enquiry and got one answer but not to my second question. :-)

[@LeeWright]

Yeah was disappointing that the trail went cold but I'm hoping it was more down to the fact they must be really busy and there is still hope to get a board

[@Antonio-lf9ob]

Pls dm @exwayeurope with your name, order number and email on Instagram.

[@jjwalker9845]

Great video was thinking about getting one now not so much any recommendations on a AWD board?

[@LeeWright]

This is the first AWD commercial street board so at the moment there isn't much choice. Might be a good idea to wait for the reviews to pile in

[@Antonio-lf9ob]

Should you be unsure, you can always wait and see. Pls mind that the second batch will ship around June.

[@andrewfoskett2527]

Works out at £1600 for the 4x4. Not a bad price really. Maybe a deeper battery tray and double up on the cells.

[@LeeWright]

I would have liked to see a bigger battery tbh.

[@NullBlox]

My DIY is around that price, not a 4x4 but a dual drive. 44MPH and 20Miles range. Imho they still can not compete with the Diy scene.

[@tzdkb]

If you wanna you could fit a 12s4p 21700 without spacers in there 😏

[@garethjones2125]

Seems expensive. With no UK distribution or service centre

[@ErnestRamos]

It's a really interesting board, but I agree with you about that price. I wonder if they are pricing themselves higher now because they want to enter into the same bracket as Evolve at least with this board. Would love to hear more about their ESC too.

[@rua671]

Way worth the money compared to the Evolve

[@fiachrabrowne8299]

If they had the same customer service reputation as backfire and was 1/3rd cheaper I'd be tempted... But at that price not a chance

[@felreview]

This launch was hyped up but I feel like theyve cut the value down too much (small motors, less than impressive battery, everything an "aftermarket" addon cost) and raised the price way too high. I would have pre-ordered 2wd at this price if the battery had at least stayed with what they promised, they had put bigger motors on (jumping from 4230 to 4240 isnt impressive) and it came as it appeared in all the hype shots with all the accessories. Was honestly hoping for 12s4p 21700. According to their website "Read this before purchasing section" they arent even the original VTC6 cells like the flex, theyre 30Q cells. 19. What are the full battery specifications of the Atlas? The Atlas Carbon uses Samsung 18650 30Q cells in a 12S4P battery pack - rated at 518Wh.

[@gregholland11]

Agreed. Currently waiting for 12s4p 21700 to come on a production board. The Eovan Carbon has that battery, but I'm not a big fan of w-concave decks...

[@samsamtl7089]

I would love to see a video like this on the Eovan gts carbon pro! On paper it crushes the Atlas. But no "real" reviews yet ...

[@khaliltheking]

I ve watched at least 4 very good reviews already on GTS and GTS carbone + comparison with Onsra, Verreal Rs...

[@XtremeSwoora]

@LeeWright +1 on this one. Would like to hear you opinion on the EOVAN GTS CARBON!

[@samsamtl7089]

@@khaliltheking where ? Can't find it on KZbin...

[@gregholland11]

​@@samsamtl7089 kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2elaoWcjd-khbs - Ramatorix eSk8 reviews does some really good detailed reviews

[@sergioinsunza8653]

Hi how are you doing today sorry to bother you . But I'm new to skateboards and electric skateboards and there have been on one until now I got the backfire G2 and I was wondering will suggestions or what is there for me to like upgrade it or make it look cool. Right now so far what I got is the circle adapter in the cloud Wheels. Been trying a lot of different ways to put on lights but no luck yet if you have any ideas can you please let me know thank you

[@deejeh9494]

Shred lights come with mounts or wear something reflective. You can get good grip (lokton makes pre cut patterns) or you could get graphics on mild grip.

[@Zachsnotboard]

How do you feel about the summer board after having it for a while ? I see so many problems on fb groups. But I really like the idea

[@LeeWright]

Yeah I love it dude

[@AGuamsk8er]

I'm more interested in an Eovan Carbon at the price range, what are your thoughts?

[@bryanjohnson8162]

Unless boards hit around or under a thousand dollars it's never going to hit the general masses. I can buy a used car for the price these boards go for. Fact my last car was less than half the price of this board.

[@LeeWright]

I totally agree, and the only place that can do that is China. If even the Chinese companies are hiking the price up then it's never gonna happen. You can buy the meepo for less than $1000, that looks like a good pick for the masses

[@cjspyker]

I feel like this board is like 75% there bigger motors or battery needed to justify price

[@LeeWright]

Thats kinda how it looks tbh, I hope I'm wrong

[@TURIECFOTO]

"can we pause this?" lol

[@nickpotts5378]

Forged, cnc and cast... someone needs to let the marketing department know that one of these three options was what they decided on not all 3

[@LeeWright]

I have a feeling they are cast and then CNC'd where the motor mounts fit

[@refdogg123]

@@LeeWright or they CNC'd a mold for casting HAHAHA. Im not super impressed with the trucks on the flex... mine have bent and I couldn't imagine them DKP.

[@akakillamike4434]

It’s pretty funny when you’re trying to figure out what all these number mean. Knobbly tires? WTF?

[@AlexAlex-uj3co]

👍:-)

[@garethsamuel3737]

DKP trucks rule when it comes to low speed carving. Used at high speed, then you better strap yourself in! I guess tightening can help stability, just like you can adjust surfskate/Dinghy trucks for high speeds. Either way, you have to ask yourself; if you're screwing things down to the point of deformity, perhaps you're on the wrong setup. A DD-DKP-4WD sounds like it could be sketchy but hats off to you if you've pulled it off! Also, disappointing Exway didn't send you Atlas. I find it odd not even the likes of Dkwan have reviewed it yet. Consumers won't invest, especially at these high prices until a consensus of opinion has been established. Anyways thanks for sharing.

[@LeeWright]

Yeah it is odd but I expect DK will get a sample. 4wd + dkp in my very limited experience was super weird! Maybe you can get used to it! I don't know? I am hoping so. I bet if you can it would be a killer track setup

[@Antonio-lf9ob]

What I normally do is I use hard bushings for the deck side and tighten them all the way up. And adjust the road side bushings same as I would do for a rkp truck. I found dkp wierd at the beginning, but I think that people will like it when it’s well adjusted. And... there may or may not be a rkp 11” trist truck release later this year...

[@AMG13OfficialGroupSteam]

👍👍👍✌️

[@LeeWright]

✌✌✌✌😃

[@tonytipit]

Yeah too much $$$. For that money you're better off building a board. Does look cool though 👀 🤔

[@LeeWright]

Yeah looks great with all the accessories on it, they should be standard

[@tonytipit]

@@LeeWright at very least the mud guards, I could stretch £20 for a handle 😂

[@paulstrollo3187]

not impressed. can get way better on road or off road boards for less. even my cycleagle x4s is an enormous step up from this and so close to 4wd price with independent suspension not sure i can even call it fair to compare other than price LOL Is it just me or do real off road boards all need 4 wheel drive. it is a total performance enhancement off road for sure! pulling the front end especially in sand keeps it from fishtailing like 2wd boards do IMHO I guess that really draws the line between 2 big models as no street rider wants to lug around a 60+lbs board either...

[@joaquinninoortega156]

expensive yep, Reason for DIY.

[@bryanjohnson8162]

It's like most new technologies. VR for example started out extremely unaffordable nobody messed with it. Now quest 2 has come out and everyone's buying it. Instead of trying to make money off of a few expensive boards you guys should be making boards for the masses making electric skating available to everyone!! And I'm not talking about no $200 cheap Chinese board doesn't go more than 10 mile an hour and breaks on you in a week...

[@Asvmad]

Too much $ for sure at this price point diy is the best bet for sure

[@simonchurchley8088]

First :)

[@camomaster6316]

Way to expensive IMO. If I'm going to drop that much $ on a board I'd do a bad ass DIY or at least buy a board with proven customer service. Bummer, I've been waiting for this release

[@bryanjohnson8162]

The atlas is no cheaper than the evolve so that's B.S.