EZdrummer 3 - STOP Humanizing Your Midi... Right now! Don't do it anymore | Grid Editor

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Shootie School

Shootie School

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@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Toontrack midi is not quantized: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5jQZKCsadOYobs
@DavidSmith-ne1zp
@DavidSmith-ne1zp Жыл бұрын
Well that’s a detail I would not have noticed had I not watched this vid! Thanks.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
You got it!
@EZRockman
@EZRockman Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Shawn. I learn from everything you post and I appreciate it.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
No, thank you. You're a great contributor, Rocky!
@mlowder06
@mlowder06 Жыл бұрын
New EzDrummer user here, still learning it, and I was just trying to use the humanize button a couple days ago and not understanding why it wasn’t really changing the built in grooves, and now I know why, thanks!!!! Your toontrack videos are great. 🤘
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thank you for saying!
@ThompaThelin
@ThompaThelin Жыл бұрын
I kind of figured this out myself but It was lot of confusion and frustration :) its good we have you ! thx
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thompa!!
@glenq6233
@glenq6233 Жыл бұрын
Great tip, really explains a feature that I’ll bet many have never thought much about or truly understood, so glad to learn it this early in my EZ3 experience 👍
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thank you and awesome!
@mikebaker7964
@mikebaker7964 3 ай бұрын
Excellent tip, thanks a lot for the advice! I've only recently upgraded to EZdrummer 3, so I'm looking forward to checking our your other posts :)
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool 3 ай бұрын
Great to hear and welcome!
@buckrodgers2303
@buckrodgers2303 Жыл бұрын
Oh my God....... I must be an idiot. I've just had a light bulb moment!!! Makes perfect sense. Thank you.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@dominofff
@dominofff Жыл бұрын
I was making this mistake. But no more :) thank you Shootie !
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
You got it, Dom. Thank you for your support lately!
@allansmith5894
@allansmith5894 Жыл бұрын
Wow!!! Thanks so much for that tip! You are an excellent teacher I recommend your channel to anyone I am so appreciative to have you available for my toontrack drum lessons!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
What a great message, Allan! Thank you.
@audiobunny1767
@audiobunny1767 Жыл бұрын
Thanks 🙏 duse, brilliant video! New sub! Thanks again, Happy New Year 🎉
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you! Welcome.
@geoffshred
@geoffshred Жыл бұрын
Outstanding presentation, and previously impressed because I'm already subscribed.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you, Geoff!
@vovindequasahi
@vovindequasahi Жыл бұрын
Great advice and clarification. Toontrack has really thought this stuff out, and as a user I'm not used to that lol.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@michaelorourke5848
@michaelorourke5848 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this info man, and Happy Holidays!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
You got it, Michael!
@HenryMittnacht
@HenryMittnacht Жыл бұрын
BAM! Didn´t know that ( but also never used the Humanize button anyway). Great explanation! Thanks!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Henry!
@joelacina386
@joelacina386 Жыл бұрын
Thanx Shootie! I learn something every vid!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@spokansas
@spokansas Жыл бұрын
You're not the boss of me! Kidding. Great overview, and caution. I acknowledge it. (You should have a T-Shirt with that slogan) Too often I get frustrated by a problem and just fume and complain that "It SHOULD work!" Rather than just acknowledge the issue isn't going to change it's behavior because I whine about it. Just acknowledge it and move to a solution. Thanks for all the tips!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
You got it. Thank you for the support, Spokansas!
@gtamediaproductions1
@gtamediaproductions1 Жыл бұрын
Yeah hello! I thought the exact same thing quite some time ago. Thank you for bringing this out. ✌🏻
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thanks for commenting, Rick!
@doobiouscannibis
@doobiouscannibis Жыл бұрын
Oh, yeah. I see what you're saying. I like to compose my own grooves from scratch most of the time and that's when I'll use it. Although, I tend to like to do my own touches to snare rolls because I can do better at getting what I'm going for. I did figure out the "don't" part and had a good chuckle at the results.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
I do often just turn snap off and draw away myself.
@frankpratte8358
@frankpratte8358 Жыл бұрын
Okay, makes sense. I knew the midi grooves weren't snapped to the grid because I have looked at them. However, I didn't know how to use the humanize button.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Great to hear, Frank!
@shredvenom
@shredvenom Жыл бұрын
Great video once again! I'm a pretty new and basic user of EZ Drummer3 but I actually had the same thought about this button. I thought "why would I want to humanise a pro drummer that already did a great job?" But for a few beats that I had written in GuitarPro and transferred to midi, the humanise feature worked like a charm on my beats, that are far from pro haha I thinks it's really great you have acknowledged all the skills and time involved by Toontrack and the performers to provide awesome beats that sound amazing!!!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thank you for saying, Shred!
@maxwellstyne5674
@maxwellstyne5674 Жыл бұрын
This is excellent information. I had no idea about this, but now I've learnt something new. Thanks so much for the tutorial.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Awesome, you got it!
@ESchubert
@ESchubert Жыл бұрын
Love this video. Just got EZ Drummer 3 with six of the drum MIDI packs, so I have much to learn and you’re helping. 😉
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Great to hear! Welcome to EZD3
@flashkatwillie7657
@flashkatwillie7657 Жыл бұрын
Just learned something new, again. Thanks👍
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Great to hear, Flash!
@intimomusic4157
@intimomusic4157 Жыл бұрын
Always look forward to your detailed info. One step closer to knowing more! Thanks 🙏
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your support, Intimo!
@KozmykJ
@KozmykJ Жыл бұрын
Good info. I doubt that more than a few of us users had delved that far into the selectivity of the Humanise feature. I certainly hadn't ... 👍
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thank you for saying, Koz!
@dadocta404
@dadocta404 Жыл бұрын
You freaking rock man, thanks so much for all your videos and contributions. Has been game changing for me. And I’ve been a user since 09 😬
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Great to hear, Docta!
@ReginaldKSon
@ReginaldKSon Жыл бұрын
Great job in 2022 man. Staying tuned for 23. 👍🏽🎸
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Reginald.
@spyderyates4587
@spyderyates4587 Жыл бұрын
Ha I totally missed the humanize button. This was a light bulb moment for me. I was working in the grid editor and noticed dots being slightly off grid, and just thought oh well whatever. But makes so much sense now. Thanks
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Spyder!
@ProbablyTooLoud
@ProbablyTooLoud Жыл бұрын
I’m still learning EZD3 and recently started using the ‘nudge’ feature. It can make a hit late, early, etc. It’s great for flams.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
You know it!
@buhlir
@buhlir Жыл бұрын
I literally just noticed both things you explained last night haha! great point!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Perfect!
@agentxxvii
@agentxxvii Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. Makes so much sense and seems obvious to me after the fact. You explained the rationale perfectly.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thanks for saying, Agent!
@telesish
@telesish Жыл бұрын
Thanks for teaching another area that was an oversight for me!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you for the support, Paul!
@arthurmee
@arthurmee Жыл бұрын
Hey Shootie, just want to thank you for this video. Although I never humanise drum patterns performed by humans, I was unaware of the other points you made about the humanise button switching on if I alter part of the drum pattern. You have enriched my understanding of the amazing plugin we know as EZDrummer 3. Love your videos.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Great to hear. Thank you for saying, Arthurmee!
@Capt-Cran
@Capt-Cran Жыл бұрын
Super video as always ... you present information so clearly with applicability ... thank you!!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thank you, DC. It's been a bit. I hope you're well!
@iancruickshank9287
@iancruickshank9287 Жыл бұрын
Awesome, good points all around. The only thing I wish you would have mentioned is that if you're editing a groove and the humanize button is on, if you add a note at the beginning or end of that groove it'll merge it with the groove adjacent to it. As far as I know the only way to prevent the merge is to turn the humanize option off.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Ian! I think that's a bug that will be worked out in an update sooner or later. If I say anything about it now, it will just confuse people later.
@iancruickshank9287
@iancruickshank9287 Жыл бұрын
@@ShootieSchool that makes sense. Thanks again for all the great info dude.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
@@iancruickshank9287 Thank you!
@SinnedKnight
@SinnedKnight Жыл бұрын
Watched this yesterday, but got wrapped up working! Very informative, as per the always! Thanks for posting, man!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
You're the best!!
@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios
@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios Жыл бұрын
VERY informative! Thank you.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
You got it!
@boogybass
@boogybass Жыл бұрын
This is a good lesson; I remember hearing this from you already, and haven't used it since unless I put in the notes in. Very valuable as you can tell by looking at all the notes in any section that they're not identical in terms of volume and placement; humans aren't this perfect. Right on!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Ron!!
@colleenvarlow8764
@colleenvarlow8764 Жыл бұрын
Ahh thanks Shawn, that help lots to understand humanizing
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
You got it, Colleen!
@WetSoilStudioLymm
@WetSoilStudioLymm Жыл бұрын
Super helpful. Thanks Shawn.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
You got it!
@HarleyBob957
@HarleyBob957 Жыл бұрын
Good advice.. FYI, your videos are looking really professional these days.. Good job.. and as always..I enjoy your vids..
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Harley! Thank you! I put up for a nicer camera a few months back.
@Wal-DarkWater
@Wal-DarkWater Жыл бұрын
This ☝🏻...is 'exactly' what I was wanting to know about ...thank for that, new subscriber incoming
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Awesome! and welcome!
@drewwilliamsguitar9151
@drewwilliamsguitar9151 Жыл бұрын
Great lesson. Learning so much from your videos.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
That’s great to hear, Drew! Welcome!
@TheUnforgettableBuzz
@TheUnforgettableBuzz Жыл бұрын
Makes so much sense that it hurts. And wow, I must have some messy drumbeats, as I've likely only humanized whatever drum I was working on. But not anymore!! Great video Shawn!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Great to hear! Thank you for the support, Buzz!
@BobGnarley.
@BobGnarley. Жыл бұрын
I feel like as a drummer you get a different perspective - for instance my double kick (and most peoples) is never uniform.. and if you really want to go precise my right foot is my strong foot always leading and also tends to accent with cymbals and on every "click" in a 4/4 beat. So you can really go deep humanizing that kind of feel into your kick drum. But when it comes to an open hi-hat it's almost always pretty uniform live and any noticeable humanizing will actually make it sound terrible, maybe a tiny bit is needed but not a lot at all. It's kinda fun to really go deep and edit the velocities manually for me personally, but i'm not great at setting humanizing up gently so that is probably why.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
When I program from scratch, I dive deep as well. Though the humanize button is great for basic backbeats.
@heathd6199
@heathd6199 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info, im guilty of hitting that button everytime! lol
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
lol! You're not alone!
@TachyBunker
@TachyBunker Жыл бұрын
The only reason why you should have Humanize on or off, is whether one sounds better.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Can't argue with that!
@TachyBunker
@TachyBunker Жыл бұрын
@@ShootieSchool 😅 have a great life.
@fabiofanelli6030
@fabiofanelli6030 Жыл бұрын
I think yhay now u are more expert than the Toontrack creators...
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
lol... I wouldn't go that far! Thank you.
@magusking9215
@magusking9215 Жыл бұрын
Great video and topic - I really dig the EDM grooves on acoustic and vintage kits, but sometimes they could use a little bit of that humanization feature
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Certainly, Magus.
@ricjenner1120
@ricjenner1120 Жыл бұрын
I just upgraded to EZD3 from 2, and I haven’t explored the humanize feature yet. I’m glad I came across your video first, bc you make a good point. I could see using that feature with quantized midi files, but one of the biggest factors that drew me to EZ Drummer is that Toontracks hired so many talented drummers to provide contribute to their content. It seems like the humanize feature could negate the personal touch from these musicians.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Welcome to EZD3!
@francescocarosone5943
@francescocarosone5943 Жыл бұрын
Not trivial, it had to be told. Thanks for taking the job! I found an exception: the high percussions (for everyone: the 3 slots up there on the right in the drums tab): they were there since v2, but now they are multiplied by 3 in samples and have finally some midi in the v3 database, yet these midi are all programmed quantized - I find this lazy, since real shakers have a lot of human timing. For these midi, I would push that humanize button. I spent one morning to audio-2-midi my shaker audio loops and populate a personal database under user-midi for those, who knows if a future EZX will come out with dozens of high percussions and hundreds of human midi..
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Great observation! The EZD2 Percussion midi does look gridlocked in the Grid Editor. I'm not sure if Futurehit is humanizing this, I'll have to play with it in the future.
@erichulander3264
@erichulander3264 Жыл бұрын
Great video! This was new information to me. Thank you!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thank you for saying, Eric!
@onoesmurlocs
@onoesmurlocs Жыл бұрын
Great video , Thanks, didn't know that either, If you make a beat using the Band mate tool , It looks pretty much locked in to the grid me, is that right? you might want to humanize it then after?
@neospora6678
@neospora6678 Жыл бұрын
Notes added by Bandmate get humanized automatically. The micro timing adjustments are very small, but enough to make the beats sound less robotic while keeping them tight enough to be useful in most songs/contexts.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Neo is correct.
@onoesmurlocs
@onoesmurlocs Жыл бұрын
@@neospora6678 thanks !
@onoesmurlocs
@onoesmurlocs Жыл бұрын
@@ShootieSchool thanks!
@horizonxx_1
@horizonxx_1 Жыл бұрын
Great video. You may have a video on this what is your process in mixing EZE Drummer?
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thank you. I don't do a lot of mixing related video. I route out any channel I need to treat and use 3rd party EQ compression.
@41Fingers
@41Fingers Жыл бұрын
Very good tip !
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
I finally picked up Scaler 2. I'll be watching your vids soon.
@diabolicwaste
@diabolicwaste Жыл бұрын
i haven't tried but glad to know now thanks shawn
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
You got it!
@PreacherAtArrakeen
@PreacherAtArrakeen Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tips. Just learning the thing. It has some interesting features, and you just clarified one of them.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
You got it. Come back for more when you're ready!
@Dani-El.
@Dani-El. Жыл бұрын
7:49 "Edideded".
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
;)
@viddythisthen
@viddythisthen Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the excellent clear video! Super helpful!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
You got it!
@jammer777
@jammer777 Жыл бұрын
Very useful info here! Thanks for sharing!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Jammin'!
@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios
@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios Жыл бұрын
Hey Brother, I'm considering picking up Superior Drummer 3 (if/when) it ever goes on sale. If I may ask, do the "Hip-Hop" MIDI & SDX add-ons from ToonTracks come with it (I ask because i'm thinking about buying those while on sale right now, but I don't want to spend it if they'll be coming with SD3 anyway)?
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Nothing comes with SD3 except it's excusive midi library and sound library. Everything else is a separate purchase.
@paulmccormack2843
@paulmccormack2843 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic information and makes perfect sense .. good call 👍
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Paul.
@williamshaneblyth
@williamshaneblyth Жыл бұрын
Humanize is not human it's computerize ❤️
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
You're up late!!!
@persiaguitar
@persiaguitar Жыл бұрын
Then it should be called what it is
@danielmolenda2073
@danielmolenda2073 3 ай бұрын
Thank you
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool 3 ай бұрын
You got it!
@macguyver3810
@macguyver3810 Жыл бұрын
thank you!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
You got! it
@Bill_Saunders_Music
@Bill_Saunders_Music Жыл бұрын
What a brilliant explanation, thank you!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
You got it, thank you!
@Bernz66
@Bernz66 Жыл бұрын
I used to “humanize” my drum programming…… never did it with Toontrack midi packs…. Already humanized!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Bernz!!
@metaldreams3595
@metaldreams3595 Жыл бұрын
Im still using EZD One! I play heavy stuff...black metal mixed with Death/Thrash metal. Is there relly that big of a diference?
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
My hat is off to you for keeping it alive! Check my channel, you can decide for yourself. I would say, certainly.
@kathleenandbruce
@kathleenandbruce Жыл бұрын
This video is a duh moment. Duh I can't believe how simple of a message it is and duh that makes perfect sense to me. Thanks for the info it's gonna help me going forward and I'll make sure to not hit the humanize button, lol.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Great to hear!
@joev4483
@joev4483 Жыл бұрын
ever the lighthouse ... thanks!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Joe!
@RichaiProgject
@RichaiProgject Жыл бұрын
The only time I use the humanize function, and I do think that it's a valid use, is when I import drums from guitar pro from our writing sessions, which have no dynamics in them at all, or when I write a beat in the editor myself because sometimes the synchopations need to be so specific that none of my bought grooves fit.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@lattetown
@lattetown Жыл бұрын
Great tip!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Latte!
@klaytonvonkluge4905
@klaytonvonkluge4905 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great video, it raises some interesting points for intellectual conversations in this crazy world of simulation, computers , sampled sounds, and indie music! Many true drummers & musicians will KNOW what sounds right , humanize, no humanize,.or other, and hopefully most creators know , If it sounds good , it IS good, regardless of the source or buttons pushed - just my 2 pennies - Cheers
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Very valid. I wish I said some of those things in this video.
@henrikhansen6617
@henrikhansen6617 Жыл бұрын
Maybe you can answer this: I've been lucky to play with a lot of great drummers. When they start a groove I always react almost physically to it. You know, it "grooves". It puts a smile on my face and makes me want to play to it. I never get that feeling from the grooves in Ezdrummer and I own many, many of their expansions and grooves. Why is that? Is it a volume thing? I can also think of so many recordings where the drums start the song and just make me want to dance. Maybe Toontrack's drummers just don't do it for me? Has anyone experienced the same thing and maybe has an answer?
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
I think only you can answer that for yourself. I wonder if you mean all drum midi or specifically Toontrack. If you're a veteran player that didn't grow up recording to a grid, it may just be that, which is understandable. That's the only thing that comes to mind without a ton of elaboration and examples. There's a lot of music examples and a lot of Toontrack midi to compare.
@henrikhansen6617
@henrikhansen6617 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for getting back. I only have experience with Toontrack regarding midi and they are supposed to be leading, so I guess it's not the quality of the product. I just wondered if anyone else experiences this. Maybe it's a mental thing where you experience the groove visually because it's on a screen. Maybe that takes something away. I also work with sampled beats and they easily provide the sense of groove. Odd, indeed.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
@@henrikhansen6617 I'm not really on one side or the other. But I will say this. If I had my favorite drummers and beats in mind as I was growing up, "my classics", I certainly wouldn't expect EZ to be able to reproduce that. I'm certainly satisfied generally though. I'm not sure if you're new or not, but take note that there is an "original Tempo" button on the Grooves tab (upper left). Make sure you know what that is before you sign-off on the topic.
@henrikhansen6617
@henrikhansen6617 Жыл бұрын
I guess that's the core of the subject. What is it about your "classics" that you won't expect EZdrummer to be able to reproduce? The sounds are there, so I suppose it can only come down to timing between notes and velocity of each note. I guess that's also the core elements of differences between various grooves. Ofc there's the personal aspect of preference, but essentially it's timing, velocity and sound of the played instrument. And those are also the tools EZdrummet provides. So, what's "missing" if anything? A finer grid? Micro timing on an impossible level? Maybe something happens in the process of making the grooves interchangeable that removes the overall experience of groove per se. It seems at least that we both find that the "classics" are dipped in a secret sauce that EZdrummer does not provide in the same way.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
@@henrikhansen6617 For me getting into music in the late 80s and 90s, there was no grid and in a lot of cases, no metronome. So for my classics, the grid is extremely foreign. True classic rock, even more so. That's my example though and about all I have. If you're saying sampled drums is better, I'm not sure exactly what that means to you, but if it's software on a grid, then it sounds like 'that' software has it. If it's not software on a grid, then maybe my example is valid. I'm guessing you already played all this stuff as original tempo since you didn't mention it.
@jimmcdougall9973
@jimmcdougall9973 Жыл бұрын
If I understand you correctly, this only applies to the midi grooves/loops. However, if I were to use the Bandmate function, this would need to be humanised, or is it just where I insert drum beats?
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Some Bandmate files are from your TT library. In that case this video is very valid. But in some cases Bandmate autogenerates a beat. When this happens Bandmate applies a slight humanization to it. In this situation, if it still sounds stiff, you may want to try and Humanize it a second time with the button. You need to trust your ear in what is right at this point.
@seangray4512
@seangray4512 Жыл бұрын
hahahahaha exactly what I was thinking when ready the video title! all midi clips/patterns are recorded from real drummers people!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah!!! lol
@paulizzyrollins
@paulizzyrollins Жыл бұрын
Love this. Cheers geezer. ✌️
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Paul!
@kellc1347
@kellc1347 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for that info! That is great to know!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Great to hear!
@21stCenturySin
@21stCenturySin Жыл бұрын
Is Humanize a global setting for the whole song? Or just on or off for each groove? So if you have Humanize on for each groove in the song because you misunderstood what it does like me lol, do you have to turn it off for each groove individually? I mean, my song sounds good with it on, it didn’t make the grooves weird or off. But I see what you’re saying in this vid so now I know how to use it or not use it in the future.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
It works on whatever is selected on the Song Track. So it can be one, many, or all Grooves. I would say it's more destruction on fills, so do keep you ear out for that.
@ramspencer5492
@ramspencer5492 Жыл бұрын
The caveat is that it you keep playing the same drummer's midi is that you don't get variation, if you're using the same short groove repeated over and over. There's a lot to think about in there ... And lots of subtle creative ways to play with it. Though i would trust the humanize feature set in my DAW more..... To do very subtle adjustment..... And you could go in one bar at a time and actually tweak it to other elements in the track
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
A great point about short loops. Which daw are you using? When you say you use humanizing in your daw, are you not talking about manual timing controls? I’m curious which daws have automatic humanization features like EZD3. EZD3 also has the typical timing adjustments to achieve manual humanizing edits. Thanks!
@Kofi419_
@Kofi419_ 11 ай бұрын
Bro this man looking like he needs to be humanized. He looks like a beautiful painting! haha thanks for the tip btw!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool 11 ай бұрын
Lol!! Thanks!
@mustechnology
@mustechnology Жыл бұрын
Thanks for very helpful video!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
You go it!
@replicayouth
@replicayouth Жыл бұрын
When you say stop humanizing, should we not adjust the velocity also? I took a course where they suggested putting all drum velocities to 110 and the hi-hat velocity at 100. Do you agree or best to leave it at its default? Thanks!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure I cover it in this video. You should do whatever you want. People simply need to acknowledge that their Toontrack midi is already humanized, so clicking on Humanize again disrupt the intended performance. For Hard Rock/Metal I start everything at 115, there are no rules. Only preferences. Hope that helps.
@pedromaiz88
@pedromaiz88 Жыл бұрын
I write and record music at home, but can't play the drums to save my life. I know exactly what I would like to play, but I just haven't trained the coordination that is required to play what it's in my head. So I rely on midi. I find that it is easiest to make a drum tab in guitar pro, then I export to a midi file. This is what I end up importing into the EZ drummer plugin. Guitar pro is kinda bad at taking whatever dynamics are shown in the guitar pro file, and adjusting midi velocity accordingly. I mean, sure.... fortissimo will be a higher velocity than forte. That makes sense. But a drummer who is going off of sheet music doesn't see fortissimo, and then play every hit at the same velocity until they see a change in dynamics haha... The result is a midi track where every midi hit is going to be 1 out maybe 8 predefined velocity values. This is where ez drummers humanization kicks major ass. The midi from guitar pro will at least be accurate enough to show that some parts are louder than other parts. When humanizing in ez drummer, this gets taken into consideration. In other words, the changes that occur when you select humanization are relative to the source midi file. Which, as you point out, can be problematic if the source was already capturing a human performance.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Well said!
@ChaosDP
@ChaosDP Жыл бұрын
Great tip. Thanks!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Darrell!
@slawaschwed
@slawaschwed 10 ай бұрын
Cool info. With all due respect, Toontrack are perfectionists: their drums sound too expensive as well as their players do. That's one of the reasons why ppl looking for "humanizer", "deviator" etc tools especially for drums. The goal is to match the drums to the rest of untamed cacophony of true (sorry Swedes) rock'n'roll.
@Attby7303
@Attby7303 5 ай бұрын
are you from Toontrack? 😂 awesome video!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! I am not.
@Bigjuergo
@Bigjuergo Жыл бұрын
well explained
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Big!
@Marcin79W
@Marcin79W Жыл бұрын
Thank you, very good video!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Great to hear, thank you!
@djabthrash
@djabthrash 9 ай бұрын
Great video
@gustavoa2642
@gustavoa2642 11 ай бұрын
Very helpful!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool 11 ай бұрын
Great to hear!
@DavidGallagherLive
@DavidGallagherLive Жыл бұрын
totally informative bro thx
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Great to hear!
@jamesleaburn246
@jamesleaburn246 Жыл бұрын
👍🥁 Great advice thanks,
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
You got it!
@teashea1
@teashea1 Жыл бұрын
very interesting ----- good video
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Thomas. You've been going through these vids lately!!
@frankaguiar4189
@frankaguiar4189 Жыл бұрын
I believe all those professional midi tracks have been quantized so that they are on time. No one can play perfectly in time all the time. The reason for the humanize is to create a non robotic beat.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
I would guess that Toontrack midi is not quantized. I interviewed Darby Todd who drummed on EZD3, the Big Stage EZX, and many Midi Packs. He says he's only quantized the first note of the midi file when necessary for looping purposes. And after examining TT midi for a while now myself, it seems that is how their midi is. I'm not sure why you would say a pro session drummer would need to be quantized. Maybe I missed your point?
@frankaguiar4189
@frankaguiar4189 Жыл бұрын
@@ShootieSchool My thought was that if it is perfectly on time then the humanize function would make it more like a non pro made the track. I could be wrong though lol. Also the humanize function makes it so every hit to the drum skin does not sound exactly the same. Great video by the way! I just stumbled on to your channel and i subscribed!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
@@frankaguiar4189 Thank you, Frank and welcome! I'm just reading your terms very literally is all. So you know Frank, Toontrack uses a process called Round Robin. Unless you go into the preferences and turn it off, you will never hear the same sample played back to back whether you hit the Humanize Button or not. Hope that helps!
@frankaguiar4189
@frankaguiar4189 Жыл бұрын
@@ShootieSchool Wow thanks i didn't know of that ability. Thats good to know!
@ShankDrums
@ShankDrums Жыл бұрын
Great elaboration!
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Shank!
@ultraparadoxical7610
@ultraparadoxical7610 Жыл бұрын
Toontrack midi is recorded by humans, and then quantized. So humanizing it is not as ridiculous as you say. That said I don’t ever use humanize without checking and adjusting carefully with my ears.
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Where's your source that's it's quantized? Here is my source that it is not... kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5jQZKCsadOYobs
@ultraparadoxical7610
@ultraparadoxical7610 Жыл бұрын
@@ShootieSchool interesting. I still say that best results for me involve humanizing, though usually not with the random algorithm. Best results always using my ears, and specially in context with other human performances
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
@@ultraparadoxical7610 As in editing by hand. Sure!
@mrtaxi8590
@mrtaxi8590 Жыл бұрын
Remember though, if you edit midi in your DAWs midi editor, you still have to humanize
@ShootieSchool
@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
Humanize your new edits, certainly! Good point.
@coppermeloman9143
@coppermeloman9143 Жыл бұрын
... 👍👍 !!
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@ShootieSchool Жыл бұрын
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