Ezuri vs Pako/Haldan vs Rocco vs Krark/Sakashima | CEDH Gameplay

[@DarkEinherjar]

Actually, the new commander rules don't allow Rocco to go back to the command zone through Emiel. The game won't check for state-based actions until Emiel's ability finishes resolving, at which point Rocco is back on the battlefield, not in exile. It's the same principle as to why Necromantic Selection can steal an opponent's commander before they can re-zone it.

[@blinky101]

It actually wouldn't've worked under the old rules either. It would've moved straight to the command zone, then back out again because Emiel doesn't care where the card went (" return it to the battlefield under its owner’s control.")

[@moosemeesen3174]

@@blinky101 It would've worked. The replacement effect would fizzle the ability, leaving it in the command zone

[@codycantfocus]

didn’t know it was a SBA, thought it just happened as it changed zones you could choose to put it in the command zone.

[@DarkEinherjar]

@@codycantfocus In the old rule, re-zoning the commander was a replacement effect, regardless of the commander's original destination. With the new rule, when the commander goes to the graveyard or exile, the next time SBAs are checked, its owner can choose to re-zone it. If it would go to the hand or library, re-zoning is still a replacement effect.

[@Murthamis102]

@@codycantfocus earlier it was replacement effect, but they changed it with exile/go to graveyard, so commanders can trigger their 'dies' ability without being stuck in graveyard afterwards.

[@jacobbrown9894]

I don’t think the way game 1 ended works. Putting commander in the cz when it dies or is exiled isn’t a replacement for the last few years but a sba game action, and those aren’t checked between the exile and return

[@nolife874]

Looked it up you are correct found a reddit page talking about this exact use of emial Rocco and dockside

[@mthlay15]

I deleted my last comment. I think you're right. The comma is key here. The effect isn't separated. The creature goes to exile and then re-enters.

[@roxannekrogh4228]

Even if it was still a replacement effect, Emiel doesn't need to find an "exiled card", so it'd still find the commander in the command zone and return it.

[@harrybaldino8955]

Was gonna say the same thing glad I'm not the only one who caught it

[@dasfabelwesen]

@@roxannekrogh4228 Yes, that is actually correct. The way it worked with o-ring effects, i forgot...

[@jinshootingstar]

The Game 1 win line indeed does not work. /// 903.9a If a commander is in a graveyard or in exile and that object was put into that zone since the last time state-based actions were checked, its owner may put it into the command zone. This is a state-based action. /// There are no state based actions between the leave the battlefield and going back due Emiel's ability.

[@thanhavictus]

Supposedly it doesn't work under the old rules either, because replacement effects don't interfere with Emeils ability to return it back because it doesn't care about which zone the card was in

[@therealax6]

@@thanhavictus Correct! It wouldn't have worked either way.

[@koppanymarton9793]

"Let's do another" with 3,5 minutes left of the video. Nice.

[@dasfabelwesen]

I think everyone who built a rocco deck thought about this interaction, because the sac outlets in these colors are so horrible, but it just does not work.

[@michaelbrauner8726]

There are a few options in green worth running in casual edh, they're expensive cmc and not good enough for cedh imo. Things like greater good and life's legacy.

[@Ellie-Angela]

Well... there is Goblin Bombardment for something low CMC, I suppose? Maybe Thermopod for something that can be fetched by Rocco. Neither of those strike me as particularly worth it admittedly. Though Thermopod could maybe replace Emiel ok? Mana value is 1 higher, but its ability gives mana instead of costing it, which could smoothen things out if an infinite mana combo isn't already reached.

[@DarkEinherjar]

The available sac outlets aren't that bad... the lack of tutors to fetch them in Naya colors is the real issue, as is the fact that none of them are creatures (otherwise, Rocco could fetch them).

[@jeef16]

there are a ton of really good sac outlets in naya colors, I dont think you know what you're talking about lol. To name a few: greater gargadon, fury and reckless rage (not a true sac but still relevant in the colors), starved/burning rusalka, metamorphosis, infernal plunge, eldrictch evolution, collateral damage, goblin bombardment, scapegoat, altar of bone, high market just to name a few. The rocco player just misplayed in not searching for wirewood symbiote first. Clearly the rocco player is very very new to the deck by locking himself out of winning on the spot, giving himself extra commander tax (which hurts your gameplan in the long run obviously) and by creating a broken gamestate by using an incorrect interaction to "win" the game

[@jeef16]

@@DarkEinherjar Starved rusalka....

[@rubensmith776]

8:10 As a seasoned Rocco pilot this does not work.

[@jaydub5515]

Damnit... I wanted to see that Ezuri List... Anywhere else on line?

[@SHADOWSURPRIZE]

I’m Mark

[@9800Ebbe]

Is it possible to get the deck list for Ezuri?

[@TripsAhoy]

Good games. Def amisplay with the Exile I to command zone. May have changed that game.

[@davidthompson6861]

I'm a simple man. I see OG Ezuri, I click.

[@snerdbrgrSkips]

anybody have a list for the eleven and jim?

[@mattpfeil]

In game 2, why didn't the Remora player draw from the Mana Crypt and LED being cast? Did I miss something?

[@katherinebrossett3415]

This is the second week there's been a major error lol guys I believe in you more than this

[@codycantfocus]

“Exiling Food Chain 🥴”

[@RGL1AX1M]

Do you have a Selvala decklist?

[@deadmanwalking7953]

how does Godo attack after entering? what gives it haste?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Helm of the host does

[@deadmanwalking7953]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG Ah! thanks :)

[@Branflakes-lq6wq]

do you guys ever fly people out to play cedh with y’all

[@jeef16]

8:10 this is a huge misplay, especially from a rocco player. If this happened to me in a tourney I'd straight up accuse them of cheating. that is NOT how emiel works with rocco. Frankly the rocco player's misplay was going for dockside instead of wirewood on the first cast since he locked himself out of using rocco

[@ESPisma]

why is it a misplay?

[@jeef16]

@@ESPisma you cant return a card to the CZ with emiel and keep it there, so he can't recast rocco with infinite mana. His turn ends when he can't combo off

[@therealax6]

@@ESPisma Moving your commander to the command zone from a public zone is a state-based action, and state-based actions are only checked when a player would gain priority. Nobody gets priority while an effect is resolving, so you don't get a chance to move your commander to the command zone between when Emiel exiles it and when it returns it to the battlefield.

[@Nahsh]

Ezuri decklist please :)

[@tylerwood1625]

I want to see a Zada game so bad. I think it cedh viable and I think channel could prove it.

[@rayrack5416]

Lol, introducing a couple of softball decks then...Krark/Sakashima, lol.

[@GodammitNappa]

Is there a reason mark didnt tutor for a 1 drop when he cast finale for 3?

[@SHADOWSURPRIZE]

Wirewood symbiot from graveyard

[@GodammitNappa]

@SHADOWSURPRIZE never mind. This whole time I thought it let you search both zones for a creature each. My brain this entire time has read the card incorrectly (grammatically it could be read either way but I never read the rules of the card on wotc site)

[@therealax6]

@@GodammitNappa "Search your library and/or graveyard for a creature card". It means you _can_ search both places, but you can only find one creature card. (This could be useful if, for instance, you want a creature from your graveyard, but you also want to shuffle. The effect lets you search both zones.)

[@GodammitNappa]

@@therealax6 I learned that last night. Thanks

[@breadinstead8528]

I love that Gura playmat 😄

[@MrScottyBaker]

In Game 2 shouldn’t Philip have had abut 5 more draws from the fish as Mike casts Brain Freeze to deck himself? Or maybe that was just edited out

[@JustGoUpTheySay]

There will be more draws just very low percentage of getting something meaningful before brainfreeze mills protection that can be used.

[@JustGoUpTheySay]

The keep from the krark player was sussy, havnt watched the game yet but regardless of results I probably would have pitched that.

[@Starkipraggy]

it was a mull to 5 though

[@Rabbit3]

Pregame shout out: Go Krarkashima!

[@RetroPokemonTCG]

Surely Mike has the highest winrate of anyone on this channel. He's always annihilating everyone

[@Nightmare-bn4sr]

Nice shark playmat

[@ecclesiaandune687]

Great games, glad we didn't have to watch Krark/Sakashima do its nonsense.

[@NubRusty]

Kevin with the Gawr Gura playmat lol

[@SickOfItAll1988]

I don't know if this sounds weird (if it does, I'm sorry) but I'm a big fan of Ashanis big beautiful hands ❤

[@ratbaby3107]

I'm a big fan of Ashanis korvold list

[@kaitlyndavis6861]

Awesome mach and awesome game play

[@anonymoususer5351]

Mark took so many game actions yet did absolutely nothing lmao

[@SHADOWSURPRIZE]

I had a board presence for Nykthos devotion, fauna shama, and ready to go. I called Judge for the Emiel/Rocco exile, but they said it worked and he would win. I should have won.

[@therealax6]

@@SHADOWSURPRIZE I wonder if the judge in question has said anything about this game? The combo doesn't work, of course, but I wonder if they made a mistake or they actually didn't know the rules in question.

[@tylercraig5633]

Warms my heart to see Rocco go off. Easily one of if not the coolest Naya decks out there right now

[@chandlerfoster8238]

Unfortunately the Rocco win game 1 was not legal

[@friyazDO]

I’m a simple man. I see krarkashima, I click on the video.

[@StackedEDH]

Krark, the Thumbless

[@dowgthepug8433]

cool gamez

[@jor-elmasterofscheduling2002]

👍

[@SHADOWSURPRIZE]

I’m Ezuri Mark

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Cool! Can e we get your list?

[@matthhoud2359]

Love your videos but too many Thoracle wins, it's getting boring... 😴😢

[@thehitchickersbro1]

Lmao that second game was nuts lol

[@rotation3860]

Thumbs down because all the competitive players didn't know how Emiel works.

[@SHADOWSURPRIZE]

I questioned it but was overruled

[@rotation3860]

@@SHADOWSURPRIZE always fight the man and get a second opinion. Stay strong brother.

[@thebombgoesboom1]

Krark, The Thumbless

[@danielschmidt7143]

Thassa's oracle is such a tired win con, I'd love to see something more interesting. Always feels so lazy to me, almost any blue deck can win with thoracle.