F-0628 Tiltwing Versatility

Canadair film from August 1971 showing the Canadair CL-84 Tiltwing VSTOL Aircraft.
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[@crushingvanessa3277]

Back when Canada had a real aviation industry.

[@666zombee]

Typical of Canadian design and engineering. Way ahead of its time

[@TherealMRDeadman]

Such an amazing aircraft, way ahead of its time. Unfortunately it was never able to reach its full potential.

[@johncheresna]

They say the cancellation of the "Arrow" was Canada's biggest (Aviation) mistake. I believe this is.

[@coolmikefromcanada]

this wasn't cancelled, they just could not find buyers. i still think the RCAF should have bought some atleast

[@alpearson9158]

@@coolmikefromcanada cancelled upon instructions from outside Canada .............business interests

[@texsoft8555]

LTV made a tilt wing called the XC-142, four engines and larger craft. They made 5 of them. The last surviving example is in the Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio. They flew it there when it was retired.

[@hanleyinnovations]

Very interesting aircraft and demonstrations.

[@ariesrcn]

This would be the perfect SAR aircraft

[@mrrolandlawrence]

perfect for early warning when the brits were caught with their pants down in the falklands as they were using old choppers for the role with about 90km radius of operation. ie useless.

[@pinwizz69]

Absolutely. It would have been an excellent replacement for the Sikorski HH52a Seaguard amphibious helo I flew in as a U.S. Coast Guard Flight Mechanic in. The 365N Dolphine they did choose was a joke. International politics and CorpeRATe highjinks killed it pure and simple.

[@mic7504]

Possibly, but the down wash in hover was reportedly more focused than that of a helicopter with a rotor with a much larger diameter. Still it could fly further and faster than a helicopter. This would allow for searches to be done faster and in maritime SARS reach further while still being able to provide, although imperfect, hoist/sling assist.

[@glennholden5877]

I actually saw one many years ago, but no one believed me! So glad to see the film- I agree, we Canadians didn't support our own industry-

[@laughingmac]

this and the avro arrow were 2 of canadas greatest aircraft ever built but were never put into service for the dumbest of reasons

[@uravasilev7465]

No avtorotation!..

[@lohikarhu734]

@@uravasilev7465 and no swash plates, or complicated rotor mechanisms, AND, two cross-coupled engines...

[@mrrolandlawrence]

the CIA informed avro that their project was infultrated by the KGB and that all dies and tooling as well as prototypes should be destoryed. alas canada obliged. the USA has had programs infultarted by the KGB back then too. programs were rarely cancelled, instead security tightened.

[@noele6588]

@@uravasilev7465 with 2 engines why would you need it

[@alpearson9158]

@@noele6588 ??? Osprey... duhhh

[@falconsrc]

Awesome aircraft , this one is going on my to do list 🆒

[@JLanc1982]

That’s a cool aircraft!

[@badlt5897]

The key part of the video..."A subsidiary of General Dynamics...." It never had a chance.

[@paulmcewen7384]

This thing would have been an incredible SAR aircraft.

[@johndavey72]

Think Gary Hilson's comment is probably pretty accurate. God bless America. But not so good if you happen to design an aircraft that makes the Osprey look pretty ordinary dollar for dollar! Unfortunately you cannot turn the clock back! This was an exceptional aircraft in every aspect.

[@garyhilson7220]

I wouldn't be surprised if this concept was coerced and stop by the u.s. aviation industry to maintain Monopoly and profit share over aviation rivals.

[@fromaggiovagiola9128]

Beginning of the Dark Ages of Aviation

[@Rizzo_67]

Nothing that sinister. Cost vs function made the Bell UH a better choice for most countries military strategies. It was ahead of it's time but I am really surprised that a civilian aviation company has not picked this up to make a modern private charter aircraft given it's load and versatility.

[@dashcroft1892]

It was a Canadair-General Dynamics project and funded in part by the Canadian government, who should have bought a number of them for patrol/SAR instead of trying to compete with the Huey as a troop mover and gun platform.

[@5714sqd]

I worked on this and the CL 215. Both aircraft were ahead of their time but plagued by finance problems. The CL 84 didn't attract enough money to continue testing. The CL 215 was almost canceled until Quebec decided to order a fleet. Both were relatively easy to work on. The late sixties, early seventies, was a time when aircraft work was hard to come by. I have no idea why the Canadian government didn't want to finance outright both of these machines. There was a market out there for them.

[@worldbestpilot]

Even "experts" in aviation are plagued with blindness, when it comes to recognition of brilliant designs; another sad example.

[@dreamdiction]

"experts" = global corporations.

[@Teh_Hats]

The US still can't get this concept right. Canada had it decades ago. The Avro Arrow wasn't the biggest travesty in Canada in terms of cuts - the Dynavert was.

[@mrrolandlawrence]

indeed the arrow didnt even have weapon system specified when it was constructed. some political dithering there. indeed this could have been a best seller. no idea why the RAF did not pick up some?

[@Sherwoody]

There was a lot of potential there. Could have fulfilled the role of an attack helicopter, close support, ASW, and search and rescue. Too bad.

[@cannonroberts5129]

Thank you for posting. I don’t know why this system was canned in favor of the osprey tilting nacelles!!

[@smarakmohanta1445]

This can still be produced and sold to countries with cheaper budget

[@trentdabs5245]

We had So much technology and for some reason the government made sure it was All forgotten

[@pinwizz69]

This aircraft would have been a far better replacement for the Sikorski HH52a Seaguard amphibious helo than that plastic puppy CorpeRATe bus the U.S. Coast Guard bought. I was a Flight Mechanic on one of the eval flights for the 365N Dolphine and all of us considered it unsuited to the mission due to severely limited cabin space among other items.

[@mrrolandlawrence]

8:00 back before health and safety were a thing. that demo flight looks pretty close to a public road.

[@mic7504]

lol that's a Pentagon parking lot..

[@mrrolandlawrence]

@@mic7504 even more of a ballsy move then!

[@KOMRAD8]

Какая удивительная управляемость и это на экспериментальном аппарате.

[@HunterDeichert]

KOMRAD8

[@KOMRAD8]

я здесь

[@trentdabs5245]

5:43 That's a Insane Shot grouping

Canadians are born snipers it's in their DNA from hunting

[@leeglover2518]

Ya your welcome from Canada design and development and built here then tested in USA then cancelled because everyone wanted a bell helicopter instead

[@mrrolandlawrence]

it was just bell that wanted that.

[@datolagvilava3562]

why is not to use today?

[@boosterh1113]

Modern helicopters (e.g. Blackhawk) have larger payloads, are almost as fast (even compared to the Dynavert's prop-forward flight), and longer ranged. At the time, the Dynavert blew any helicopter out of the water, but it is obsolete today.

[@killingfields1424]

Canadair started it. Perfected it, but the americans choose their own but fail to comply and cancel the project. This is the reason Leonardos AW-609 still cannot get FAA certification. Seems like creating a vaccum effect that will make the Osprey the only tilt rotor available for commercial or military role.

[@av8tor261]

It was better then anything the Yanks built....like the Arrow. There is one caucus in Ottawa and one in Winnipeg.

[@FairlyOldGit]

This project like the Arrow and the TSR2 in the UK didn't suit the US Aircraft industry. There must have been some very dubious blackmail happening because both the Arrow and the TSR2 projects were scrapped and all the prototypes mysteriously destroyed.

[@patrickskelton3610]

@@FairlyOldGit Agree. The Arrow would have made a great long range interceptor for the RAF.

[@gormauslander]

Can someone explain what that rear prop is for? I can't understand this guy

[@lohikarhu734]

it provides active pitch control, at speeds where there is not enough airflow over the horizontal stabilizer

[@fromaggiovagiola9128]

Yer done Bud!

[@АлексейДука-я5э]

Как Мой проект уже готов ? Я ведь ещё даже не все на бумагу перенес ? ??????

[@rlicon1970]

Ke

[@bochereauaugerghislain4561]

FAUX ET USAGE DE FAUX? LYRICS

[@ufoengines]

Make a good drone.

[@Danroxye01]

An other superbe aircraft built with the wrong DNA

[@aixaburlison4]

I never understood the I sorry. Why have all the extra mechanical to swivel the engines. And this tilt wing. To much garbage. Just mount Harriet engines on the wings, problem solved.

[@SVSky]

When one engine fails, the airplane flips over. The Germans did exactly that and and abandoned the idea. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dornier_Do_31

[@lohikarhu734]

Tilting the entire wing provides advantages over the tilting engine pods of the Osprey... note that the ailerons provide yaw capability when in hover. There was (I bekieve) a combination of electronic and mechanical coupling of all of the flight controls, so that the flight envelope was achieved without the pilot needing to explicitly control individual parts of the aircraft's control surfaces and rotors... unlike the pitch/collective and tail rotor situation in a helicopter.

[@scottmccambley764]

Remember this was developed before the transistorized computer. The whole automated flight system was mechanically designed and was meant to be as simple as possible so regular pilots could fly it using their current knowledge of flight controls. This mean't you didn't need a specialized flight training program just a couple hours of additional instruction. This went up against the Bell Huey for Vietnam service, thats why it was evaluated in the States. Its only flaw: It wasn't designed and built in America. At least they didn't cut up and destroy all the evidence like they did the Arrow. You can find one of the flying prototypes in Canada's national aviation museum.