F-104's got NERFED! How can THIS TURN EVEN WORSE?

F-104's got NERFED! How can THIS TURN EVEN WORSE? - War Thunder

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@kerotomas1 Ай бұрын

Well the F104S TAF has always been an absolute pain to play but now it's just stupid. (especially with how every 11.3 gets constant uptiers) Thankfully i've grinded out Italy already.

@ratchetfr5961 Ай бұрын

I play the non premium f104 at 11.0 and 11.3 and i am destroying everybody just get good I am still asking myself why there is a 9.3 version of that

@mich421 Ай бұрын

Then better not buy it until they add something better

@MrNPC Ай бұрын

I think they do that intentionally, once enough people have got to top tier they then make the mid-tiers a lot harder to increase the grind and $$$.

@kerotomas1 Ай бұрын

@@ratchetfr5961 what's your war thunder nickname? let me check your bs claimed stats

@Anthony1102www Ай бұрын

@@ratchetfr5961 wouldnt just you do better? You see not everyone can do good

@Chronesys Ай бұрын

The 104 TAF was already the worst rank 7 premium plane of the game. Gayjin had to make it even worse

@123TheCloop Ай бұрын

except stat wise its about average..... so no clue how its worse when its performing about average to everything else

@thatoneguy1741 Ай бұрын

@@Chronesys I mean it’s 11.0 in this new matchmaking, it can’t be that bad downtiers plentiful for Italy in my experience

@Chronesys Ай бұрын

@@123TheCloop Too bad that kind of stat tell you more about Who use that plane than about the plane itself.You have to Remember that Italy Is the least(or second least) played nation and Is played mostly by completionist or by those Who want a challenge. If you Watch are the objective plane statistic, Is a brick with only rear aspect missiles that face only plane with far Better missiles and maneuverability

@Chronesys Ай бұрын

@@thatoneguy1741 Is a 11.3 now, same br as the Mig-23 MF but without the all aspect missiles or a viable radar

@akaira700 Ай бұрын

I have good games with it but I agree

@Ace-rp7vr Ай бұрын

Nice to see how minor nations will only suffer more now

@Maverick966 Ай бұрын

Actually is correct because F-104 with its laminar wing design turns by causing drag, which means it should lose a lot of energy when turning

@nichendrix Ай бұрын

Not only that, but with such small aspect ratio and very high loading laminar flow wings and a T tail that suffered os such a bad T tail flutter that it often ripped off the entire tail during flight testing, it had quite a really very hard time turning, and was extremely unstable.

@SomeOrdinaryJanitor Ай бұрын

People are laughing at F-104s but i see this as just disappointing. A plane should not suffer because Gaijin's incompetence at balancing. the 104s should be effective for their BRs, not a flip flop from Broken to useless. Effective doesn't mean OP either, they should be fun or at least viable, and all the people saying "they deserve it" how'd you feel if Gaijin up and made your favorite vehicle unusable? bet you'd be a little less than happy.

@TheRimBrakeGuy 24 күн бұрын

Tried to played it after the nerf, they are just bricks.

@thatoneguy1741 Ай бұрын

As an avid 8.3/9.0 ARB enjoyer, screw F104s 😅

@engineermerasmus2810 Ай бұрын

this just means they'll play even more passive and depending on how bad they are, they will go down in br, not a chance of them going up where they should be, so it's a massive L over all

@sayhellotoyou9271 Ай бұрын

@@engineermerasmus2810 They wont go down. They are now basically free killls to aim-9b

@Stardust_the_F-104C Ай бұрын

@sayhellotoyou9271 are... are... know what... I'm not saying anything... if a F-104 plays right you won't have the time to fire a 9B before they are already too far to actually chance a hit

@TheChickenJ Ай бұрын

@@Stardust_the_F-104Care… are… you aware of teammates?

@KauppaKomissaari Ай бұрын

@@sayhellotoyou9271 the f104c has rocket pods they are handy

@Or_is_it_spelled_Charlie Ай бұрын

Glad to see them get nerfed for the earlier models but I do believe the higher tier ones need to have a br change to compensate.

@krm5164 Ай бұрын

oh yeah losing energy when pointing my nose down thanks gaijin now the f104 S and ASA are way less appetizing than before somehow :D

@gaiofattos2 Ай бұрын

The pain pencil is back.

@RadiantCataclysm Ай бұрын

I don’t see why the plane with wings literally sharp enough to got off a limb would have a massive amount of drag but okay Gaijin.

@oliviamoore3426 Ай бұрын

Not only this, you keep getting uptiers, and with no flares, you get destroyed in the f-104. Other than that both the viggen and especially the draken has had their flight models nerfed, so you have to be really careful when booming and zooming, you pull up way slower and turn slower plus you lose speed like crazy. This means the draken is one of the worst premium aircrafts in the game

@Avery-432 Ай бұрын

This is the start of the Metashift. Within a few months we will be back at USSR/GR top tier air instead of USA/Sweden

@machinech183 Ай бұрын

You overlooked them giving China the tongue up the butt treatment. RU and GR and pretty much played out from this point forward. GR will rely mostly on NATO stuff going forward. RU is fast running out of anything beyond "looks good on paper" but China has room for Gayjin to exploit for "trust me bro" performance competition.

@Avery-432 Ай бұрын

@@machinech183 Oh no doubt, especially with the recent backlash Gaijin has gotten from the CCP from reducing bomb and rocket rewards. But im meaning more along the lines of Gaijin casually stumbling upon a few lines of codes that they have mistakenly overlooked, that gives other nations their "true" flight performances, while "correcting" the damage models of current meta vehicles.

@OldinaryChimera Ай бұрын

Mig family: Welcome f-104

@Seraphinus112 Ай бұрын

I miss the days when each br (air and ground) had gimmick vehicles (armor, speed, firepower, etc...) compared to the "every gameplay style in each br" crap we have today.

@a.m.k101 Ай бұрын

I guess in the next updates gaijin will make a ballistic missile out of it.

@sibidinakaran4757 Ай бұрын

Not the original title being the f14

@Aaquashl Ай бұрын

Was grinding china, got to the f104, thought it was gonna be easy I've used these before, it was way less fun to spade this time round.

@potatouno Ай бұрын

Italy is NOT allowed to have a good premium plane, what is AMX even doing at 11.3? No IRCCM in its missile like the irl variant

@Anthony1102www Ай бұрын

With the speed and wing design of it, actually it should turn good instead of shit like now

@angelnunez6476 Ай бұрын

No it shouldn’t. Those wings are incredibly small and thin so they don’t provide a lot of lift needed to turn. It was called widowmaker for a reason.

@Anthony1102www Ай бұрын

@@angelnunez6476 but it is a trapezium wing, with the strong engine should have enough lift to turn isn't it?

@Rorywizz Ай бұрын

@@Anthony1102www that wouldn't change anything

@Anthony1102www Ай бұрын

@@Rorywizz wdym

@Rorywizz Ай бұрын

@@Anthony1102www anything with wings that small is not gonna turn well unless it has thrust vectoring

@N9197U Ай бұрын

Time to play even more passive

@machinech183 Ай бұрын

Imagine calling the 104 "competitive"... 104 ASA enters the chat. Lets talk about facing 4th gen air...

@honeybadgerbomb4469 Ай бұрын

Vautour IIN is so back

@KauppaKomissaari Ай бұрын

Ahh the 9.3 f104s are going to play the same and the others will suffer even more

@TheRimBrakeGuy 24 күн бұрын

not really, they are put on 10.3 matches all the time and get obliterated

@KauppaKomissaari 24 күн бұрын

@@TheRimBrakeGuy they dont but ok

@juntingiee2602 21 күн бұрын

@@KauppaKomissaari they do...

@cliffthelightning Ай бұрын

Good for the low tier ones, however they made all Italian ones even more dogshit. GG Gajoob

@Ghost86king Ай бұрын

Hello

@bdc96 Ай бұрын

@m3chgeek470 Ай бұрын

😂😂 Nerfs and Buffs are always to one side of the spectrum to the other side nothing in the middle doesn't matter what game you play

@Lulzwhat Ай бұрын

Scumfighter already was garbage even before "decompression", become even worse after "decomppression" Maybe Gaijin refund me this crap then??

@ratchetfr5961 Ай бұрын

Womp womp ur just bad if u think f104 is trash

@-..----.--.-... Ай бұрын

9.3 ones were (and still tbh) cancerous

@alexturnbackthearmy1907 Ай бұрын

@@-..----.--.-... Eh, not really. These guys are certainly annoying, but its nothing more, and with more nerfs...it would become more infuriating then before, for everyone. These things are usually the draggers in endgame, but i hadnt seen one win a game in anything more then 1v1 or 2v1 (and only cause i missed my shots).

@Lulzwhat Ай бұрын

@@ratchetfr5961 Well, show us the class then?🤷‍♂

@Chronesys Ай бұрын

@@ratchetfr5961Yes, the 104S and the ASA are bad

@BigGreyDonut Ай бұрын

lol OP speed plane no longer able to pull crazy maneuvers and retain its energy. Keep these changes and move it up to 9.7 and 10.0 for both 9.3 versions. Let it fight against competent radar missiles and IR missiles that can catch it if they don’t manage their speed well.

@machinech183 Ай бұрын

Can you point out where on the technical schematics the bad 104 touched you?

@raptor2248 Ай бұрын

It’s useless

@1KosovoJeSrbija1 Ай бұрын

finally realistic F104

@Armata6348 Ай бұрын

They should finally fix the maneuverability of the MiG-29 and Su-27.

@VectorGhost Ай бұрын

Shut up lol

@Armata6348 Ай бұрын

@@VectorGhost Someone is mad😂

@contemptordreadnought Ай бұрын

Its not that the mig 29 flight model is bad, its that the flight model of everything it fights is a cracked UFO. On the other hand the su27 does need fixing badly

@maxwellmaragia2272 Ай бұрын

Absolutely man. mig29 on release was on par with f16 but now its just a school bus. su27 was nerfed because it carried OP missiles. Not a factor now but they forgot to un nerf them

@solo_eagle Ай бұрын

I shot an aim9B at one and even when he was trying to dodge it, he couldn't 😂

@engineermerasmus2810 Ай бұрын

you can energy trap them if you fire a couple AIM-9Bs, it's super funny

@notnurfcreanga Ай бұрын

aim9g are super funny cuz they have long range, fast, and 18g pull and the f104a has no flares

@KauppaKomissaari Ай бұрын

5km sim9d/g shots are funny

@notnurfcreanga Ай бұрын

@@KauppaKomissaari usually 5 km shota are kinda rare in the aim9g imo, ~3km unless you have the speed advantage and ~1.9 if they outrun you slightly

@KauppaKomissaari Ай бұрын

@@notnurfcreanga 5km work suprisingly often if they dont try to drain the missiles energy not consistant but it is funny af when they hit

@notnurfcreanga Ай бұрын

@@KauppaKomissaari the aim9g is a sniper missile and i love it, its super fun to drop from a way higher altitide and watch it turn into the ir version of a phoenix, used to be the best in the game too before newer missiles arrived, still good to bully 8.7 kids in the harrier 3 or on the kfir gderot

@OldinaryChimera Ай бұрын

Deserved

@SomeOrdinaryJanitor Ай бұрын

a plane should not suffer because gaijin's incompetence at balancing. the 104s should be effective for their BRs, not a flip flop from Broken to useless.