F-150 Lightning vs. Rivian R1T - Electric Pickup Truck Features

[@milesbrown2]

1. Turning radius 2. Tug-o- war 3. 0- 60 4. Towing capacity 5. RANGE 6. Ride comfort 7. Cameras?

[@jonathanf.9395]

I'd like to see you give the trucks to two different contractors who aren't into electric transport at all for the day and see if they can use them at work and what their impressions are. Maybe they can switch and then compare notes. BUTTS! IN! SEATS!!!

[@buildyourfuture5649]

Zac and Jesse, this is a good idea. The people want to see it happen haha

[@POC3442]

That's a great idea!!

[@garychlastawa8277]

Like it!

[@JoshuaPritt]

Frickin yeah! Do exactly this!

[@Cberk03]

id watch the shit outta that

[@gr0wnup5]

This Dad & Son combo pushes the most genuine and honest reviews on YT and I love and respect that 🌟

[@waynelewis9110]

So true! I recently happened upon what appears to be their ICE vehicle/dealership-focused counterparts and I was unimpressed haha. I can’t remember their channel name though.

[@HomesteadEngineering]

The AC power on the Ford is a big selling point for me. That's really impressive.

[@YKSGuy]

The LOW giant funk PLUS the power was very well thought out.

[@williamhedrick5950]

240v is great, but how much can the battery support and still drive home?

[@woldmccraft9345]

@@YKSGuy It is a must for the Ford. Without the low entry point the front would be useless and far to high off the ground to reach into. The truck to too oversized. I would like to see how the lack of support functions in a collision. Looks like a ramp to shoot a car/truck up into the windshield.

[@h8GW]

@@williamhedrick5950 You can actually set a cut-point for the inverters to keep yourself from being stranded inadvertently. Also, even the highest wattage power tools likely won't have a large effect on the range, especially if they're not in continuous use. That last one is not to imply that our power tools are stingy, but that it takes an enormous amount of energy to move around an automobile.

[@williamhedrick5950]

@@h8GW That's my point. It's one thing to put 110v outlets, but by putting 240v in a pickup you're inviting someone to suck a lot of power. Is it really practical or just a selling point?

[@jandraelune1]

You forgot cost of the two. Lightning is half the cost of the R1T. Then the Lightning can also do reverse charging, the R1T can't.

[@fordnut74]

The Ford feels like a working man's truck while the Rivian is a Show man's truck. Ford nailed it.

[@dacostarik]

Saw a rivian in person and I have to agree. Very beautiful truck but smaller than I imagined it to be and Definitely looked like a show man's truck

[@Fechual]

The Rivian absolutely dominates the lightning off road, 4 corner air suspension, dominates in performance, handling not even a contest. Rivian is simply a smaller truck but WAY more capable

[@4Jeffv]

I agree. I just wish the bigger battery option would be cheaper. It’s 77k starting with the big battery. I would have loved an option to just upgrade the battery and not all the bells and whistles that go with it.

[@joshuagreen5820]

I got Rivian because it reminds me of a Range Rover/jeep. But it’s way to heavy. So, I probably should’ve gotten the ford. But everyone drives a f150. Rivian does have cool tricks. And I just need an adventure vehicle. Mountain biking/hiking/surfing. I don’t need a working truck.

[@mikebalentine]

Range, load limit and towing would have been very important categories to consider

[@CL-gq3no]

I have a feeling they will do that as a separate comparison. This is a comparison of features. Next a comparison of driving, handling, range, and charging.

[@amircohen143]

You can see that on the website. 😀 If you follow them they have said it many times on the Tesla Time News segment they do.

[@mikebalentine]

@@amircohen143 Couple issues with what you suggest first what is advertised on the website it’s pretty well known to not be accurate. Also on a comparison video to assume someone has to watch all your other content to know that information is not a good idea.

[@briand4936]

Saw a tug of war between the two trucks and the rivian spanked the ford surprisingly

[@airheart1]

@@briand4936 4 motors and a ton of power in them.. not really surprising. The F150 is no slouch... but that Rivian setup is a beast for speed, power and traction. That damn truck will smoke a LOT of fast cars.

[@jameswaechter3048]

Why is the spare tire an Option on the Rivian??? The Ford won that round because it comes with a spare!

[@brucec954]

To be fair they are trucks for different segments, work truck vs adventure vehicle. Ford wins on storage because its bigger but that also means it will be a pain in more urban settings / parking in a garage. Nice we are finally getting some EV pickup options.

[@invertedcnc705]

Yeah but the gear tunnel while nice doesn’t really make a difference on off-road adventure worthiness. Honestly the high luxury factor of the Rivian is a major turn off to most adventure type people. Rivian was built for young wealthy city people who want to go camping once a year. I would never take one anywhere fun here in Utah and risk messing up its luxury appointments. But there sure look nice in all the parking lots of Park City

[@dacostarik]

@@invertedcnc705 well said.

[@nickmcconnell1291]

How about bio weapon mode? Do either of these vehicles shield well from dust and smoke getting into the cabin? Very important off roading in the desert areas as well as on dusty job sites.

[@michaelmehrer2177]

Fire smoke here, I definitely look at the giant air filters some Tesla have.

[@men2dewy]

As many of us have noticed, pickup trucks are the vehicle for many EV haters. The Ford has what it takes to make some of them warm up to EV's. It has the style and functionality to make them feel right at home. If a Ford Lightning or Chevy Silverado EV can't win the heart of the coal rolling type nothing will.

[@aharris1iOS]

So for access to bed maybe load something. I would think it easier to get into the ford with cargo vs climbing over the side in the rivian

[@nidibble7307]

How is the heat penetration through the Sun roofs? My Ford Edge roasts me whereas I didn’t even notice the Model Y’s all glass roof.

[@lukeryan559]

To be fair the external storage capacity wasn't a tie. Ford had a bigger bed and frunk, I think you guys just felt a bit sorry for the Rivian getting such a hiding lol.

[@anthonypoole4025]

Ford has a real winner on their hands with the lightning. Excellent design for the every day man and a hell of an introduction to electric

[@xxZerosumxx]

I agree. In my opinion, the bed access and spare tire should of gone to ford and not a tie.

[@francoisbedard6021]

Ford wins the spare tire, imagine a full load and you get a flat

[@tripflycfi]

You graded storage in an awkward way. For those of us who actually use trucks, the most important and relative factor is what you can carry. I think you should have used a quantitative measure here. You call it a tie but I firmly believe the actual truck market will reward Ford for the choices they made. Personally, I prefer the Rivian but the one thing Ford knows better than any other maker is what truck buyers want

[@anthonysales338]

Both awesome trucks! But can’t wait for the cybertruck!

[@EnlightenedSavage]

I thought the F-150 was a competent first attempt for ford. This video makes me like it more. I still know with zero doubt it's going to be unfair when compared to the cyber truck. Just from what I've seen so far the cybertruck is going to beat it on every level.

[@dannyDrives_Renewable_Electric]

A smart man once said "You don't create the new system by obsessing on the current system." Rivian should blow the Ford away because it was "blank sheet" designed to be electric, while Ford did little more than they did with the Focus Electric compliance car - take the gas motor out of a "real" truck and stick in an electric one. Unfortunately, the first thing Rivian did with their blank sheet was draw a picture of a gas truck on it! I wish some company would design an electric truck letting the form follow function - it probably wouldn't look like any other truck ever. Great comparison, guys!

[@Yelonek1986]

Cybertruck, hint hint.

[@dansbrown1313]

Will be great when you add a Cybertruck to the mix.

[@wakingchristian]

To be fair, you can have a tonneau cover installed on the Lightning also.

[@danieljohnkirby9412]

And you can get a much nicer and more reliable one if you're willing to spend the money.

[@wakingchristian]

@@danieljohnkirby9412 Honestly aftermarket add-ons are better quality than OEM in most cases.

[@donfox649]

Any updates on what gm is putting out for electric vehicles besides the bolt?

[@dexribble1]

Nice comparison, however I would like to see more: 1) 4 X 8 sheet of plywood, 2x4x8, 2x4x10 2) cost comparison 3) efficiency Kw per mile, range, charging speeds 4) ground clearance, approach angle, mileage off road, traction in sand, weight, maneuverability, center ground clearance, power 5) Towing weight, efficiency 6) power to grid. Cost, payoff, emergency 7) looks from truck owners, cost for size, independent ratings from others 8) tire costs 9) repair options, can either service centers fix, how convenient across USA, Spare parts? 10) Acceleration. Drag race! First thing I would have done 😜

[@rgeraldalexander4278]

Loving the showdown! How about a general driving experience comparison? btw, Ford's roof opening is a negative in my book...potential leak, and I never used the sunroof on my last Ford, (that did leak)

[@jonwigby]

You need to do more on range , battery and charging time\issues.

[@LandoDaCommando]

Storage a tie really. I would say that's a bit of a stretch, but that's way more than a stretch that's like Mr fantastic.

[@donchaput8278]

Are you working with any of the manufactures integrating a trailer battery/regen that ties into the trucks battery system so that you don't lose range when towing? I would love to see reviews of those new systems and performance!

[@nwarvi]

I want to know the price for each? I suspect the Rivian was more but idk how many options you went with? Battery size?

[@gardencompost259]

Road trip camping, not towing anything. However, maybe an over bed folding tent, like you have for the Rivian. Test range, charging, ease of use ( like access to gear while camping), and using those outlets for making coffee, and cooking some breakfast.

[@xflyingtiger]

Ford service centers are all over the U.S. Where can I get a Rivian worked on? That is a big plus for Ford. Tesla has been around for a while, but service is still a BIG issue. It is impossible to talk to someone on the phone unless you schedule service with the app. I've actually had to schedule bogus service so that I was able to text with a real person, or even talk to a real person. So I imagine this is an even bigger problem for Rivian.

[@joey_after_midnight]

Yur kiddin right? Ford has the same service challenge Tesla has.. specialty parts, and people who know how to work with them. They don't just grow'em on trees.. and retraining people.. means they aren't generating revenue while your retraining them.. or training the new hires. Stir in a few anti-EV sentiments.. and.. "I don't want to learn no new thing".. and you got a recipe for disaster.

[@jaymarbreguera591]

ford f-150 lightning wins in this comparison. so excited to see more from this truck about charging, range towing performance and more power tools utilization.

[@rossniedermeier4744]

A category I would have liked to have seen is technology. How do the UIs/Tech features compare?

[@rickdeckard9810]

nice, looking forward to the performance tests

[@mattkeith530]

What trim did you guys get for the f150? Standard battery or extended?

[@williamhedrick5950]

So- having 240v is great, but how much can you use and still have enough battery to make it home? What's the towing capacity? What's the range? Critical issues not covered.

[@talktorobi]

A frunk so big, I can hear an echo!

[@Chance2Go]

Do a test like Tesla did where the Ford and Rivian try to pull each other in a tug-of-war! Ford did a great job with their first BEV truck!

[@ReDiiKuLuS]

I may have to be “that person” and address the elephant in the room. *personally* I don’t think the R1T and F150 Lightning can be compared. Here’s why: 1. The first (most obvious) is they’re in a different class of vehicle. The R1T would be technically speaking in a “mid size” while the F150 is a “full size” 2. The price is SIMILAR yes, however, the F150 Lightning does start higher if optioned with the “extended range” battery, and goes up from there in the different trim levels. 3. The market these two models are aimed at seem like they could be similar, but they are entirely different. F150 is for existing truck buyers who are looking to take the next step into the future BUT with some similarities so it’s not too different. R1T is aimed at people who are looking for an adventure vehicle. Something to take off the beaten path and having something brand new and different. 4. Rivian owners are going to be similar to early Tesla adopters, who are buying into a brand they believe in and want to support. Ford buyers will be those who are used to existing Ford vehicles, especially previous gas powered F150s. Maybe even those who are contractors since there are a lot of benefits like having all the on board electric outlets for things like power tools to be used on the job site. Overall, the Ford winning makes sense. Ford is a bigger vehicle, have a higher (potential) market of buyers. It’s more “familiar.” The Rivian, however, being that it’s a BRAND NEW company, are doing extremely well stacking up against a company that has made vehicles for more than a century.

[@TomOsseck]

What are the prices paid for each truck?

[@thomasreese2816]

Very surprised you didn't compare the screen usability/responsiveness

[@glsinsight]

Be good to know how long those outlets will provide power for both individually and as group at the same time. Would not be good to drain power and wait age's for recharge.

[@rui569]

2 very nice trucks.

[@davidbryant2872]

How do they compare when used as a passenger vehicle? Lots of trucks are effectively second cars. So, how about ride, handling, maneuverability, etc. That also ties in the range issue -- how far could a family go on a trip, and how fast can they cover gorund taking charging times into account? How good is the nav, including charging advice.

[@christophersiano969]

I'd like to see something like "This Truck Guy" head-to-head. The suburban guy who commutes, shuttles the kids to sports, needs to pack for family camping, and the Home Depot run. The sportsman who wants to carry the gear and access places for camping, fishing, and hunting. The Handyman who needs to haul material, do chores around the house and the vacation property. Etc. How do these trucks meet the needs of people who need trucks? Couple other things I've not seen. Those unique headlights on the Rivian - how well do they actually work? How well do the lights work in the fog? I'm especially curious as you can't turn off the headlights and run just fog lights on the Rivian like just about every other vehicle. I do that often when the fog is really thick as the headlights are just too dazzling. The bed with the under storage - how robust is it? If you had a load of wood chips or pea stone would it suck to get clean? How does the Lightning stack up in those? While I like the Ford's front truck for access, how well does it work when it comes to holding stuff? With the Rivian, I can load up tents, chairs, roll tables, bags of clothes, and pack and pack and pack until the lid won't come down. How easy is it to do that in the Ford? Any chance of whacking your head on the bottom of the Ford's grill? I actually did that once on my '96 Ram when I was doing some engine work. Gear tunnel is an odd shape. When packing, how easy is it to use that space? What kind of cooler fits that you can access from the rear seats? You need room for the lid to open. Soft coolers would be a pain as the access isn't such to operate a zipper. You guys are in MA. How do you travel to like Cape Cod or the White Mountains? There are no fast chargers in either place that I can see. Unless you overnight with a level 2 available, how do you do it? For example, if you wanted to go to Pittsburg, NH from Worcester, MA to go snowmobiling, the only option seems to be a stop at St Johnsbury, VT for over 2 hours. And that doesn't even include towing the sleds on a trailer. The only Fast Charger north of Manchester is in Lebanon which isn't exactly along the way to anything but Vermont. On the Cape, there is a charger in Barnstable which is rather out of the way if you are spending a week out in P-town or down in the Falmouth area?

[@MichaelSmith-px1ev]

Interesting but how does it drive ?

[@olebloom1641]

Useful for consideration. So far leaning towards the F150. Kinda waiting on Ford to come up with EV 250 and above.

[@xxZerosumxx]

Ford has stated that an EV F250+ wont happen.

[@sctexan5392]

I have added a cover to all my F150s. How much would that impact range? I'd think that added airo dynamics would make up for the added weight.

[@katahn]

Aero makes a much larger impact than weight (aka rolling resistance) - which is, in part, why towing is so awful in an EV: you have the aero of the vehicle plus the aero of the thing you're towing (and their weights obviously).

[@thecoloursquad8572]

I wonder how heating in the 2 trucks would compare (in places with cold winters).

[@zaceriwata]

I’m a Tesla fan boy but love the lightning!

[@Rodrigo-jd2wg]

And Tesla doesn't offer anything similar

[@Johnny2Feathers]

Lighting is nice but I’ll happily wait for my Cybertruck.

[@jameshughesdon5370]

Please test the electrical quality of the sockets. Is the sign wave pure or square ? Will sensitive equipment work or die?

[@treborheminway3814]

I would like to see a winter series when you get snow. Supposedly, Rivian has an advantage in traction. Does it really make any difference or is it just a tire test. Keep up the great job!

[@cylehendricks8892]

Currently have both, and most likely will be selling the R1T. Having driven both back and forth, the lightning is a MUCH more comfortable and smoother ride. Cabin noise much better as well. No constant motor noise, and I do appreciate the larger cabin and more in cabin storage. I prefer the interior materials and definitely the software of the rivian. I also think Bluetooth phone calls sound better on the ford. I love the rivian, hate to sell it, but certain software things I can get by with the ford otherwise plus the ride and overall build quality of the ford. I love the air compressor and flash light featured in the rivian, the open space in the front of the cabin, but, between what I said plus the financial benefits I'll obtain, I'm just going to role with my lightning until next year, then test out the gen 2, which I do believe solves a lot of my ride quality complaints.

[@tonygreen8221]

A comparison between vehicles is only relevant if viewed from the perspective of a certain type of buyer. So it would be great to see some reviews from the perspective of a tradesperson, recreation (fisherman, dirt bike rider), overlander and people that tow a lot. It would also be great if after the last episode, you could include a wrap up of some of the online review forums comments regarding any issues affecting these vehicles.

[@joshsinykin5230]

What about charging, range, service, price...lead times...dealership experience,.... please add these for round 2.

[@moonthief869]

Really depends a lot on what you want it for. The Ford is hands down the better work truck but I’m pretty sure if you were testing driving performance and off road capability the Rivian would crush it in those areas.

[@ThomasBomb45]

what about heating?

[@matthewholzmueller6292]

I have money in hand for the lightning, but the dealership wants to show me the Powerboost sitting on thier lot, saying it's going to be a crap shoot to get one figure a year maybe more for a lightning.

[@hhbh4661]

Enphase stock is doing awesome! Beating every other stock!

[@pstoneking3418]

I'm up to watching round 5. When they made this spare tire comparison and made it a tie, when the Rivian doesn't even come standard with a spare tire. Comparing spare tires with a vehicle with a full size spare tire to a vehicle that doesn't come with a spare tire is an easy win hands down for the lightning.

[@freethinker4991]

Range with a lift off camper?

[@vm013]

Thanks for the video! How do SW packages compare?

[@tonysimi5763]

Super professional review.

[@cargotrailereric6738]

Suspension?

[@Stone815]

Cybertruck would win or tie in everything except Ford's Frunk.

[@T0_R0]

and maybe lack of V2G, V2L in cyber :P

[@joey_after_midnight]

I'm wishy washy on Cybertruck. Have a preorder, the Gigacasting will make it cheap, solid, easy to repair. The painless hull will make it cheap for Tesla and Customer. Not sure about the Origami bed style.. maybe those Wing pillers should fold down to allow a more traditional bed style... but you'd sacrifice the covergate. A Solar gate to fight vampire drain would be awesome.Some sort of optional Deflector shield/skin for the Top would help in Texas.

[@James_Ryan]

Absolutely awesome comparison, cheers!

[@alexadams1627]

It would be great to see if the F150 can pass the power tool test you performed on the Rivian. And how about comparing the price (w/ dealer markup) and also typical delivery time from ordering (or availability at dealership).

[@lucapetrescu1241]

You missed that the tailgate can go down to help reach the tire area more and you missed that there is a speaker wireless under the arm rest and storage there for the rivian

[@pstoneking3418]

There's no question round two goes to the lightning for several reasons. Most important how easy it is to put things into the trunk. Second the Rivian doesn't have any 120 volt outlets in the truck just a 12 volt outlet. where the lightning has 4 120 volt recepticals and USB a & c.

[@TheWhyGuyChannel]

As usual, awesome video. However, you didn't mention how each truck could power your house in an emergency. Nor did you mention the price differences for what you're getting.

[@jodilarkparker]

Great video! Can’t wait for tow, range, and capacity tests.

[@pjs5908]

Haha at the categories.. where are the major ones? Interior styling? Exterior styling? Acceleration? Range? Pricing? Handling? Breaking? Offroad capabilties I'd say the R1T would take almost all of these KEY qualities

[@benjaminwatson7]

Gents, A/C works well in 80 degree weather? I reside in coastal S Georgia and I set my A/C at 80 to cool off. How about y'all consider purchasing an anemometer which can measure air flow, humidity, temp, and extras dependent upon the amount you want to spend. Great show, thanks!

[@LitlPrince2]

I'm not sure about that first comparison... consider that the lightning actually has a bumper you can stand on to get in and out...

[@evevangelist5910]

Great video guys! I’m looking forward to your further comparisons. Having a farm and doing occasional construction work, the F-150 Lightning is the winner for me. I do like the Rivian design and looks better, but with less desirable features and a higher price tag overall, the Lightning is for me. I’m also anxious to see how the Cybertruck will compare, but for now, keep up the great reviews!😊

[@pstoneking3418]

Round ten another big win fir the lightning. These over all comparisons, I've only seen the Rivian win one round with it's sound system which the lightning has more than a good sounding system.

[@user-sb8qk8ei8n]

Price?

[@MarcFireHart]

Hi Zack and Jesse, a friend got a Ford Lightning from Carvana to test and we noticed that the FRUNK does not close automatically. It opens, but you have to manually close and it opens pretty high so it is a bit of work to pull it down to close it. I noticed you didn't close it on your review. What's your thoughts on this? We also noticed that the cooled seats are only the two front seats and the back seats do not have cooling. Maybe we missed being able to turn these on somewhere?

[@markumbers5362]

Price, range, charging speed and battery chemistry comparisons are important. As far as I'm concerned Ford has nailed it. I am a functional person. Vehicle to home in a black out, on site power, being able to charge another EV. Functionality is king for me.

[@therichardrichyrich]

Ooooh I want to see terrain challenges!

[@jeffnreno5080]

Efficiency comparisons along with charging speed/cost. Range loaded/towing and unloaded.

[@terrysullivan1992]

What about the PRICE ? Basically the Ford only looses on the sound system. The least significant item for a Pick Up Truck. Oh, and what about range and towing ? So far it looks like Ford finaly woke up and used their decades of pickup know how to make an effective EV truck. Price: Rivian is $ 67 K to $ 85 K. Ford is $ 47K to 75 K. Looks like at $ 20,000 to $ 10,000 dollar savings with the Ford. I'd say Rivian is in BIG trouble here.

[@AlexEMF]

F-150 vs Cybertruck will be the ultimate electric pick-up trucks comparison

[@Nagalta]

Software maybe next time ?

[@nickstroke]

Off-road clearance would be fun to see. It looks like the Ford's plastic bumper limits quite a bit, so I'm curious if aftermarket solutions would allow it to hang with the Rivian.

[@Digital-Dan]

Does either of them move, so as to take one from point A to point B? If not, I wouldn't give either one any points.

[@constructioninc]

I dont get the whole spare tire tie thing. Ford has a spare Rivian doesnt. That a standard that should be required for all trucks/cars. Best comparison is bang for buck. what is the price difference between the two and what is the real cost per mile????

[@dzgeek1078]

Great video, waiting for more

[@stevenhardman7185]

I can’t wait to see the comparison with using the power outlets!

[@tonym.7831]

Is it water proof in the back bed or will the water get in where the spare tire goes?

[@4Jeffv]

I feel like the inside is all personal preference. The main comparison would come from m/kw and ride comfort. The storage is a huge factor but really it’ll come down to effectiveness as a truck. I.e. towing and hauling and range.

[@VonDyck]

Thanks, Zac and Jesse. Looking forward to seeing more of these head-to-head videos. Manufacturers should watch your videos and make a truck that combines all the best features of both trucks, like gear tunnel and tonneau cover of the Rivian, frunk that opens like a hatch and back seat storage of the Ford. 👍

[@DanielBoger]

Can you put regular F150 accessories like a topper or tahoe cover on the Lightning? If so then that is a huge advantage. There are a ton of cheapish accessories in the market since regular F-150s are very common.

[@nonamesnoneed3545]

You can , all F150 accessories are compatible with lightning. Its the same bed.

[@gfbrnby]

Which does V2H best?

[@pstoneking3418]

Round eight, I haven't heard the Rivian sound system but UT sounds like maybe the Rivian wins this one. However my platinum has 18 speakers total and the sound is better than anything I've ever heard.

[@williamhedrick5950]

Having the ability to draw more power via AC is all well, fine, and good- but one of the major concerns with both vehicles is battery capacity. How much of the battery is needed when using all the Ford's outlets, or even just using the 240v for a welding job? Maybe Rivian has less outlets because battery technology won't pragmatically support all the outlets on the Ford and wanted to balance having access to AC with the DC needs of the vehicle itself?

[@mikejames4784]

What about ride quality? Road noise? Braking? Parking? Cameras? Autopilot technology?

[@johaarup]

Cupholders too small? Jeez. Maybe just chill with the supersizes overthere.

[@kushagrakumar1992]

Happy to see you got the f150 finally..

[@wizzyno1566]

Genuinely excited when i saw this!!