F-16C Block 50+ Viper vs Su-30MKI Flanker: BVR Missile Battle | DCS

We use DCS World to simulate a missile battle between the Pakistan F-16C Viper with AIM-120C and Indian Su-30MKI Flankers with I-DERBY ER.
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1:10 Details
3:44 Predictions
4:55 1 x AI vs 1 x AI
7:30 4 x AI vs 4 x AI
10:55 Humans vs Humans (Su-30MKI)
17:16 Humans vs Humans (spectator)
26:34 Humans vs Humans (F-16C Block 70)
35:50 Humans vs Humans (Su-30MKI)
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[@four-dimensionalperson]

Hey , make a video about incident with RQ-9 and Su-27 .

[@grimreapers]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHbNioKtbbyAaa8

[@joegoveia6499]

@Grim Reapers have you seen the video of it? It definitely wasnt the radome that got the prop. Time to redo the video 🤣🤣

[@signore1]

Damn that su-30 mod looks awesome!

[@grimreapers]

Agreed.

[@mcjdubpower]

I'm feeling really valued right now 👌👍

[@grimreapers]

This is important.

[@mcjdubpower]

@@grimreapers Thank you so much for the value. You are also a valued yuchoober. Ty.

[@abymathew295]

Daaaang, i didn't know SU30s are that big..🤕🤕

[@AJG81]

2nd Human match, gotta hand it to poosh, he held in as long as possible, great flying considering the F16s were half blind. Great vid and great flying by all as always.

[@timbaskett6299]

I really wish we'd get more foreign aircraft at airshows in the US. I bet the "Flanker" would put on a great display!! 👍 If Violet lived close to me, I know a place for her to find a job. A couple of them, actually!! 😄

[@RedTSquared]

Fun matches! Always interesting to see what other Nations we don't normally think about, fly and fight with! Thank you GR!

[@steverpcb]

The white stripe vertical in the russian cockpits is the "spin recovery system", upon entering a spin you put the stick against the stripe and count 3 rotations, either it is recovering or if not then Eject !

[@grimreapers]

Awesome thanks.

[@RazorsharpLT]

Hey dude. Love your content! Absolutely mesmerizing on occasions... But i have a request: could you make a "Flying carrier battle" or a "Flying airship battle with planes" ALA Highfleet inspired? I would love to see that! A loooooot of people would LOVE to see that!

[@Decrepit_biker]

I find the pilots dead eyes in the Flankers mirrors look right into my soul.......😅

[@alirafi141947]

All of PAF F-16s have PW engines including the block 52. In Swift Retort no block 52s took part. All F-16s of Swift Retort were Block 15 MLUs. What did the job for PAF back then was superior radar jamming and extensive use of data link.

[@DirtyHairy1]

lol the rear mirrors pointed to the pilot because he cant get enough of his awesome looks while flying a fighter jet :) playing Highway to the Danger Zone in his mind

[@cycloneranger7927]

A suggestion for a future air battle: NORAD vs Soviet bomber forces, or SAC vs Soviet Air Defense Force. It would be super interesting to see the result of B-52’s vs Su-15’s, or Tu-95’s vs F-106’s. If that’s already been done, please point me to it.

[@davidwhiteley3879]

Am I missing something? Where are the back seaters in the MKI's? 4 sets of eyes are better than 2 for visual acq.

[@michaellawrence6677]

I absolutely love these sims. You’re hilarious and so creative.

[@Pixxelshim]

Good job Thanks for posting on KZbin. Rumble is a cesspool

[@zahnatom]

hell yeah more bvr battles ^^

[@gamersgrubs2952]

See the footage of the drone SU collision? Seems reasonable. How much damage to the fighter is the question

[@grimreapers]

Yup, Flanker not easy to control up there...

[@Kevin-hb7yq]

One would assume with that closure speed, and the angle, there would be damage to both. Those SU-27 are robust. See that video of one hitting a road sign while doing highway operations.

[@direwolf7491]

India is in the process of upgrading their Su-30mkis with AESA radar and GaN based EW pod. The MKIs are going to get better. We'll get to see the Sukhoi Growler.

[@Archer89201]

The Chinese have their version of Growler in the Flanker platform with the J-16D variant too

[@direwolf7491]

@@Archer89201 Yeah but that is not technically a Russian Sukhoi.

[@dexlab7539]

Yup, and Pakistan is going bankrupt - so no upgrades for them

[@absinthesugarcube]

A flanker can dump it's fuel? Who knew? If only there was a video of this? Ahem. (I know su-27 and su-30 but they're both still flankers aren't they)

[@grimreapers]

I think they actually dump through their own engines? weird.

[@absinthesugarcube]

@@grimreapers I'm amazed it didn't ignite. I know jet fuel isn't as volatile as one might imagine, but it's so close to the engines.

[@dexlab7539]

😂😂😂😂

[@butcherkill5071]

Hey cap can you do the BVR match again, between the SU57 with real RCS vs 4/4.5 gen aircraft. That I saw on the previous video of SU57 vs 4 gen aircraft with an RCS change on it. Can you do it with an real RCS of SU57.

[@grimreapers]

Sure thing.

[@Archer89201]

Now imagine if the Indians manage to jury rig Meteors on the MKIs

[@grimreapers]

Agree

[@markb1519]

Good fights

[@rgupta74211]

Also, Pak only has currently 18 Block 52+ aircraft only which is very low to have a major impact!!

[@grimreapers]

Is block 52 the 2-seat version of block 50?

[@rgupta74211]

@@grimreapers Its F 16D block 52, 2 seat variant!! Although Pakistan is in the process of upgrading its rest of the fleet as well!!

[@Kevin-hb7yq]

Great BVR, Great ACM!! Was Matrix trying to CIWS that incoming missile? Hmmm... do ship-born or ground CIWS track air to air missiles? Better question.. does DCS model if the CIWS track air to air Fox?

[@mogusaurelius4541]

I thought I was a Valley Viewer for the longest time and was confused.

[@grimreapers]

You can also be a Valley viewer if you want?

[@dexlab7539]

Haha - last week we were “Viewingtons” 😂

[@sidharthdaniels3253]

I love you CAP!!!!!!!!!!

[@grimreapers]

xx

[@Davros-vi4qg]

Little vs Large, gonna be interesting match today!

[@freddiehannapel6011]

😅😅😊😊😊

[@freddiehannapel6011]

😮

[@freddiehannapel6011]

Lll

[@kswas2784]

Great fun again. I will say though that I can't believe current missiles don't have IFF on them. There should be literally no way to shoot your wingman down.

[@patricktho6546]

26:13 pretty sure desync happend, otherwise this distance should have been enough to trigger the explosion

[@grimreapers]

Yeh desync is common.

[@mcjdubpower]

Gud vid 😍

[@christophero55]

Are you aware of these new missiles? (Long Range Engagement Weapon LREW, Peregrine, Modular Advanced Missile MAM, CUDA, LRAAM) I suppose you guys won't be putting these missiles into the game until more public data becomes available. Some pretty cool stuff though. For reference: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6C7qZJrpLBpqLc

[@grimreapers]

I have been thinking about it, currently they are all just concepts so not entirely sure what to do with them TBH.

[@christophero55]

@@grimreapers I think the best you could do at this point would be to test the concept itself. You can't show people how the final product will work but you can simulate the concept for them to show why this technology is being worked on. If you do that I would pick one of the missiles where we have a pretty good idea what it is going to look like so hopefully you can reuse the model once more concrete data comes out on it (if it in fact does enter production.) That's my two cents.

[@Dirtyharry70585]

More even fight with F15e

[@MattWaller04]

Liking and commenting and then watching the video on the other platform lol

[@grimreapers]

You Sir are a true hero.

[@Rapidcouplescounselling]

Just a thought... The Ukrainians are getting Mig 29's. Could a MIG 29 with a JDAM ER get close enough to the Kirch Bridge to hit it and survive from either the black sea or from land.

[@Yash_Chauhan7]

GG

[@ancientman1796]

3, 2, 1 Subuteo....love it

[@plushiie_]

Is it really a team kill when its fly :p

[@grimreapers]

EXTREMELY fair comment.

[@dexlab7539]

I love FLY 😊

[@FlybywireTheGerman]

30:58 So you make your Way through this valleys and get on to the Bandets six and than get killed by your Cap

[@kenhelmers2603]

Good fun and science and thing

[@peterjones2241]

Just a quick question, why do soviet/Russian jets burn blue colours exhaust afterburner. It looks nice. Is it the type of fuel or the engine design.😊thank you.

[@MoistGrundle]

Just different design philosophies combined with different jet fuel compositions.

[@johnbenoy7532]

the soviet engines (russian) burn at a much higher temp. they also use a different fuel composition

[@grimreapers]

More sulphur in kerosine and higher EGT make it blue in a lot of Russian planes.

[@chandankoley625]

In 2019 pakisthani air force use f16 block 50/52 and aim 120 C5 missile not c7 and Indian side use su30 mki with R 77 - 1 missile 🙂 and the terrain was fully mountains,,, please correct your video

[@VimyScout]

Cap. Could the Dam Busters raid be re- done. But this time with LRASM's from F-35's?. While also allowing the enemy air defence missiles??

[@grimreapers]

Ha! Cool idea.

[@sahilvats4760]

Can you also please do with Rafael and Mirage 2000's also ?

[@c0de_g0d15]

How is the flanker less maneuverable inspite of having a thrust vectoring capability.

[@dexlab7539]

FLY is quickly becoming my favorite pilot 😊. Gotta love those Germans

[@paladamashkin8981]

And once again the u.s. Air Force says dog fighting is dead so we don't need anything like the Raptor anymore

[@rajaydon1893]

an engagement between 2 stealthy aircraft will likely be at short distance, if they are replacing the raptor it's likely with something that has its dog fighting ability with improvements in areas its lacking

[@paladamashkin8981]

@@rajaydon1893 I would hope so but these Are the same people that feel the f-35 does not need enough speed to disengage. I fear the weapons of peace that check boxes are going to get people killed like in Vietnam

[@ondrejhofman5592]

32:12 Kashmir, Hindukush?

[@bornleo3125]

Go for J10 C vs Rafael

[@anonymous17367]

Is the su 30 an sfm or efm?

[@grimreapers]

SFM

[@Anarchy_420]

No JF-17??

[@grimreapers]

I did think about it, but all of us are out of practice in JF and therefore wouldn't be a fair fight.

[@Anarchy_420]

@@grimreapers all is fair in love and war ;)

[@masterbaiter338]

@@Anarchy_420 well what about rafael 👀😂

[@adamtaft9683]

Cap - What is the best way to send you guys money? Patreon? Or will youtube take some of it? Let me know as I want to send you some and get advice on some things as I have had DCS now for 5 months after watching your videos now for 2 years and I still can't seem to get my controls setup right. So sending money to get some help! Let me know! :) Also - Hi from the U.S.A. AZ! Go Luke Airforce Base!

[@ojaspatki772]

Well how about having missile trucks......The Su30mki and the F15 with a similar loadout (as in ones with the same range to make it interesting).......Pleaseeeeeeeeeee

[@jamesj.7750]

"Humans use their brains." Do they Cap? Do they?

[@joegoveia6499]

"No mans island" looks like a puppy

[@grimreapers]

I LOVE puppies!

[@joegoveia6499]

@Grim Reapers who doesnt?!

[@Angl0sax0nknight]

Would the match be more even with F15E? The F16 was just out matched.

[@grimreapers]

Agree.

[@ivorharden]

Where is this map location on earth?

[@steverpcb]

It is Tierra del Fuego

[@grimreapers]

^^ yup, bottom of the World. Would love to visit one day.

[@ivorharden]

Thank you

[@SWBB1000]

PAF F-16 carriers AIM-9P/L

[@lukakobal2103]

Can you make a Ukrainian JDAM bombing mission?It happened recently. How is it that Russians didn't intercept the Ukrainian aircraft with their fighters or shoot them down with S300,... I think that to drop the JDAM bombs the aircraft has to be really high, so why weren't they shot down by Russian S300, S400,...

[@Fatallydisorganized]

JADAMs can be toss boomed with extreme accuracy. The Ukrainian jets can fly at low altitude and do a pull up maneuver and release the bombs at a high angle. This allows the Ukrainian jets to turn away and get to cover immediately and the bombs will hit there target with pinpoint accuracy.

[@grimreapers]

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[@rohittaurus911]

flanker is sexy af......

[@screamingcat142]

1000th like, lesssss goooooo

[@VaibhavShete1981]

Try with Astra vs aamrams

[@AT-bo6ww]

Current Mk1 has only 8 mile advantage over the I-Derby ER which isn't going to make that much of a difference.

[@mattseller148]

There is no good mod for it so it cant be done currently in game.

[@CORPOR-iThomasKorb]

First

[@liamcarey4957]

fuck i was going to say that

[@willwozniak2826]

GO INDIA!......yes!

[@LondonSteveLee]

Pakistan already won this battle. After the IAF did a brilliant job of intercepting two F-16s in their airspace and bounced them - the only problem is the super-duper advanced Russian RADAR wouldn't lock over mach 1 - and the R-77s fired pitbull missed despite being practically a nose shot. This is why the IAF are ditching R-77 (being replaced with Israeli Derby) and are desperate for a western partner to put non-Russian avionics in their Su-30s. Great planes - terrible systems. Typical Russian junk that doesn't actually work.

[@Life_isstrange]

Where the hell is Astra missiles...?

[@AT-bo6ww]

Not modeled as accurately, not enough information present. And the Mk1 has only an 8 mile advantage over the I-Derby ER, so it won't make that much of a difference anyway.

[@Life_isstrange]

@@AT-bo6ww it does

[@AT-bo6ww]

@@Life_isstrange Lol no. The Mk1 is a basic solid propellant rocket, while the Derby ER has a dual pulse motor. The Derby will have better energy in the end stages of its flight compared to the Mk1, despite the Mk1 having a slight range improvement. Wait for the Mk2. That will be a much much better missile than the I-Derby ER. And this is a simulator. You need to relax. The Su-30MKI literally dominated the F-16s. Stop crying about the Astra.

[@Israel_wale_chacha]

useless video , what is the sense of this video if they have not included ASTRAA MK1 , latest r-77 dash 1 and self protecting Jammer pod .

[@sidv4615]

whats the point of usinh short range R-73 in BVR fight?

[@AT-bo6ww]

Astra Mk1 has 68 mile range while I-Derby ER has 62 miles. Not that much of a difference. And do you really think a jammer pod will be accurately represented in a simulator? Did you see how the MKI dodged the missile which flew right under it? The MKI literally outperformed the F-16 every single time. Stop crying and watch the whole video.

[@Israel_wale_chacha]

@@sidv4615 i mean r-77

[@dexlab7539]

Mr. Netanyahu….this is all just for fun, chill 😊