F-22 vs F-35 Breakdown and Dogfight

This video is a detailed breakdown of the F22 and F35 jets, followed by a simulated dogfight in the Digital Combat Simulator.
The F22 vs 35 debate has been raging for years, and this video offers some much-needed clarity. The simulation is gripping and provides a realistic look at the capabilities of these two fighter jets.
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[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Hey BJC thanks for giving your thoughts on this one too, you're right too I am deff an F-35 fan boy especially since Canada seems to have selected them going forward, Thanks again man, great video as usual 👍

[@Man0War]

I’ve been growing to love the f35 more every time I learn something about it.

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Yo! I'm glad Canada is getting some Panthers! Thanks for your solid dog fights as usual. Let's jump into a dogfight one of these days.

[@pascal1823]

Would like to see a bvr fight between those two

[@7gmeister]

Talking about high off bore sight missiles he should do one on the vid you did with Longshot using the Israeli Python. Btw, I love your videos. I don't play DCS but I do have an interest in air combat and I've learned so much about it watching your videos. They really do help people understand what fighters actually do and how the tactics work. There's so many uneducated people on the internet that have an awful lot to say about controversial subjects like the F-35 and stealth but know so little about it and your videos at least give people the idea of how things really work in the real world and why stealth and 5th gen fighters are so necessary

[@pabis6817]

@@MaxAfterburnerusa yes please! Would love to see a Be Jet clean vs Growling sidewinder dogfight series. Bloodsport tournament style would be epic.

[@takeoffwithjakesoft]

It's important to note that both the F-22 and F-35 are community mods in DCS, so not all systems are modeled or modeled accurately for either aircraft. This is good for entertainment value, though.

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Got it, thanks!

[@juanc5149]

Frankly I’d be concerned if DCS had accurate F35 and F22 sims.

[@roninjedi2494]

The f-22 is still the far superior fighter regardless if it’s in DCS or real life. Fat Amy is slow and not very maneuverable

[@ryanestes7331]

@@roninjedi2494 the f35 regularly outperforms combat loaded F16s, it's instantaneous AOA is very impressive as well as having the most powerful engine ever developed

[@paradiddlesixix7530]

@@roninjedi2494 compared to what?

[@arkyudetoo9555]

What I like about you is that even though you're immortal (I have a very high regard to all pilots), you treat us mortals as your equal. Unlike other pilot channels out there. You never brag, you never think highly of yourself, and for that, you got yourself another sub.

[@suchgr8hieghts]

Yep, enroute atc here. I absolutely fan boy out when I talk to military pilots. Especially fighters and B2's which I talk to often. You can definitely tell some are a little rigid and monotone on the radio with very proper, by the book, phraseology. And some are really laid back, aren't afraid to use plain language or use pleasantries, but still very respectful. Which is generally nice from any pilot.

[@YoungBlood507]

It’s probably because just cause you find it interesting to ask and learn more, doesn’t mean the other pilots will. The pilot culture isn’t for every pilot

[@stevennagley3407]

Called leadership

[@xikungao2376]

I'd love to see you and Growling Sidewinder fly together in DCS one of these days. He also did a few interview videos with real pilot and former Tomcat RIO in the past for his audience. I'd love to see you guys have an official collaboration video in the future

[@Luckydog1159]

Don't forget about the Rafale pilot too!

[@robstanton9215]

Enjoyed the break down as always. I truly enjoy hearing the info from someone who has actually experienced it more than someone who just read about this stuff.

[@mwrobinson1169]

Great video. I really like the extra context you are able to add based on experience.

[@JAnx01]

8:52 - Growling Sidewinder can over-G the F-22 because he flies with the G-limiter off. That's why he was able to do a flat spin with it in your previous video. It is important to point out that both of these planes are unofficial mods so their flight models can be whatever and their damage models are lacking compared to the officially released modules by ED.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

no its a limitation of the mod lol all mods are easily over-G'd like that its true with the su30 the su35 F-22 its all the same. Its an SFM thing. also the way the F-22 mod is built you literally cannot dogfight with it unless you turn off the FCS systems (another limitation of being a DCS mod)

[@snwilliam6886]

@@GrowlingSidewinder wait I thought the f22 is more superior than the f35 in terms of maneuver 😳 Edit= correct me if I'm wrong

[@speedingSloth]

Some say, GS flys in arcade Mode. ☝️🤓

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Good to know! I always loved the G limiter in the Viper...nice to just be able to pull and G strain without worrying about an over-G!

[@dudemanbro2798]

There is no g limiter “off mode” in the raptor. The aircraft changes its command mode thru the flight envelope. Simple explanation is that It is either g commanded or pitch commanded based on several factors. The change occurs at an approx approximate airspeed which the pilot has a general Number memorized (changes slightly). So a hard stop pull could either command max g or max pitch. And yes you can over G an f-22. Asymmetrically or symmetrically. Common for new guys in AK to do a hard stop pull on takeoff at 500 knots at the end of the runway (cold day) and go right to a symmetric over G. Function of low altitude, CG, and gross weight.

[@Dominikmj]

What I understand is, that the problem with the AIM-9 Sidewinder (any), that it has to have airflow, when it is activated - not that it would not fit in the weapon bay of the F-35. That’s why the Raptor has specially designed weapon bays for the Sidewinder - but the F-35 doesn’t. Hence it has to carry the sidewinder on the wing tips. What I didn’t knew though is the special Block II configuration of the AIM-9X. Thanks for the info.

[@rmose5393]

Just came across your channel and you are a beast and thank you for explaining complicated things and making them simple

[@Gupiter]

Definitely interested in seeing more analysis like this

[@airshowguy916]

Thanks for sharing this video.

[@djurgens76]

Awesome commentary, thanks for breaking this down for us 👍👍

[@clairecelestin8437]

I love this video! I'm just starting to explore your content, but I've been a Growling Sidewinder fan for a while. I'm thrilled to see you review his videos, and I would freak out to see you dogfight or form up in a wing together and annihilate some hostiles.

[@chollythecrazycorgihesinsa6505]

Love all of your input!! Great to hear the facts from a real fighter pilot and Growling Sidewinder. You guys know your stuff!!!!

[@pemtax557]

Very fun DCS and really well produced video. Having your experience and especially your enthusiasm made this a memorable one to watch. Thanks for serving our country and consider me a new sub. Cheers and God Bless!!

[@twisantigo]

Hey Ryan, awesome video! Which do you miss more...the F-15E or the Thunderbird?

[@55Dag]

BJC killing it with the video break downs. And responding to questions in the comments.

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Yo! thanks!

[@arnie24070127]

F-22 shooting down f-35 over golf course is the most Air Force thing ever

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

LOL right?!

[@boywonder5179]

Max AB, love your DCS analysis!!👍

[@robertsavley9899]

Great video it was one I thought about

[@Vector-uu7hf]

Eyy! Here it is! I commented on your tiktok about how i wanted you to do reactions on more DCS content! Great video

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Awesome thank you! More to come!

[@keithfranks8674]

Great video.

[@OnTopAStemOfThornsARose]

Love these 🔥🔥

[@mj6866]

Thanks. Interesting video.

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Glad you liked it!

[@brewcrewbill]

It'd be cool to also see your reaction to some of Growling Sidewinders dog fights where it's evenly matched 4th gen fighters. I feel like those videos would give you a lot to comment on because they're more of a knife fight.

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Okay thanks!

[@roycewiggins754]

please we need more of these🙏🏾

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

You got it!

[@zackberry6729]

I was really hoping this would come out today 😭 but you know I’ll be tuned in when it finally does drop

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Thanks for the patience! KZbin algorithm usually likes 2 videos per week

[@IowanLawman]

Should do a vid of GS's fight with Ate in the Mirage. Ate's an ex-Rafale driver so would be nice to hear an actual Viper/Eagle driver's comments on how GS's moves or what you would do against a delta wing. There are 3 vids GS made with Ate if I recall, so plenty to cover :D

[@OfficialUSKRprogram]

Nice!

[@heatblast876]

BE JET CLEAN, I have a question which round is deadlier as well as their warhead such as HEI-T, SAPHEI and API does it have a different role to strike on enemy target and even that can this round is able to do some damage on a ground attack such as tank.

[@lothwinmore2536]

Love to hear you point out the difference between an off bore missile like the 9X. Read about an exercise in England called meatball-14 where a Gripen test this out against two Eurofighters. An easy pick for the Eurofighter one might think. Gripen had the HMD and IRIS-T. The merge lasted 9sek. with the Gripen still flying. Yep, I don’t think they would waste flying the F-35 without the 9X, and the outcome would’ve been different.

[@leadslinger5130]

I was on Miramar airforce base building a cell tower when they got a fleet of f22's we where located pretty close to there training area and got to see 12 different dogfight training runs. I'm not sure what they where flying against but the f22 was eating everything alive. That's was the coolest month of work in my life. It's such an impressive plane truly jaw dropping!

[@dougcronkhite2113]

Complete nonsense. Why would you make this up? MCAS Miramar is a MARINE base, not a USAF base. They don't have F-22s there at all. Miramar is also in San Diego, and the closest training area is 35nm offshore, or 110nm to the East near NAF El Centro. You wouldn't be able to see anything in either location.

[@leadslinger5130]

@@dougcronkhite2113 Thats nice. all i know is i saw f22's flying and doing what looked like combat training for several weeks.

[@brianhenderson2006]

​@@dougcronkhite2113 El Centro range isn't even big enough for Air to Air. Have to go to R-2301W near Yuma or W291 out over the Pacific. Definitely no air to air viewing location if you are working at Miramar. This guy's story is BS.

[@Khabbi]

Any chance of seeing some Be Jet Clean DCS action ? They have both F16 and F15 mods. Would be interesting to see what you think of DCS

[@edwin97a]

Awesome Capt. Greetings from Canada.

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Hey, thanks! Flew with the Snowbirds a while back...epic

[@Globalnet626]

Hey man, would love to see you review some footage of Falcon BMS and see what you think of it, it's a lot more accurate/complex avionics and flight model wise, also has a ton of flexibility with it's campaign system.

[@Maktumekal_Ilzrei]

GS's F-22 versus the JF-17 dogfight would be awesome to see you break down. It REALLY shows how dominant the F-22 is compared to basically any other fighter out there.

[@adamwee382]

9:12 People are saying that the FCS Is disabled on the F-22, which it is... but the F-22 is a mod that uses the flight model of the F-15c. It's a cool mod and all but the thrust vectoring isn't actually modeled, it has its turn rate buffed to compensate for that. Stealth isn't actually modeled well either, it has another simplified work around that just reduces the RCS. The developer of the mod did make a version with thrust vectoring modeled but he never released it, there must have been something wrong with it. Growling Sidewinder was given the chance to show that mod off but I'm pretty sure it's not ever going to be released. The F-35 is also a mod, i think it might use the F/A-18c flight model but i'm not sure. My point is that while these are pretty fun mods, they're not as accurate as some of the older, even 4th gen aircraft like the Hornet and the Viper.

[@Cuteseals2]

Theyre also probably highly classified so it'd be hard to get good info on them to model them

[@kinematics7092]

For those coming to this comment later, the F-35 mod uses an unmodified F-15C flight model.

[@cortbailiff]

Can you explain off bore sight shots in one of your videos?

[@justafloridamanfromthe75thRR]

Growling Sidewinder, Be Jet Clean and CW Lemoine are def my favorite yt channels when it comes to aviation and fighter jets!

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Awesome! Those guys are great

[@PLONG12345]

Have you tried DCS? It would be interesting!

[@admiralsilver8290]

Definitely do more reaction videos from Growling Sidewinder!!

[@ChamplainDivision]

Here's a challenge for you. I was stationed as an enlisted Jet Engine Mechanic with the 49th Fighter Interceptor Squadron at Griffiss AFB, NY from April of 1977 to February of 1979. The late Col, (then Lt Col) James K. Lowe was my commander. Hearing this from three or more sources, it was rumored that Jim Lowe was the only F-106 pilot that could best an F-15 on the various ACMI ranges in the country. Definitely a Korean War, and possibly WWII, veteran he could do things with that aircraft and his body that no one else could. He was also legendary for being being able to drink anyone under the table. He's been somewhat of a hero to me for most of my life. It would be great to find out if those things about him were true.

[@CNCTEMATIC]

My understanding is the F-35 here is carrying "a" AIM-9X, and it does have HOBS capability. It may be a neutered version from what you say. The way they model it in DCS (judging from the GS and similar videos I've seen), the farther off boresight you go, the longer it takes to lock on. So they have had shots at targets at 80-90 degrees, but it never just starts growling the second they put the reticle on target, it takes a period of time to lock. Sounds like its different from the real thing? Re the F22 G-limit warnings - my understanding is F22 model has the function of being able to override the flight control computer and/or an ability to turn the G-limiter off, and that is how the aircraft is over-g-ing. Certainly that is the case for the DCS F-18 model. You often hear over-G warnings when guy is flying an F-15. DCS allows a lot of it before it damages the airframe. Maybe that's unrealistic.

[@danielm.1599]

I loooove this channel. Thank you creator KZbinr guy!!!

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Glad you're enjoying it! -Creator KZbin Dude

[@goldgamercommenting2990]

They fought really well

[@grmasdfII]

Would love to hear your thoughts on some EF-2000 fights ;>

[@Mohkin-demon]

Great video Cool content . I subscribed to your channel keep up the good work. I thought I was going to get some DCS time in and was going to practice on dogfighting . I try to load DCS World most current version and it goes through the normal process and all of a sudden I'm Unable to log on yet I can hear the music in the background but no picture appears.??? I don't know what is going on . could someone Please help , or point me in the right direction as it will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

[@jdamage5002]

DO MORE DCS WITH GS.. Love that.

[@sentinel8185]

The current F-22 Raptor Mod doesn’t have the thrust vectoring modeled yet, Grennelli is now currently working on it following Growling Sidewinder sneak peek of it maneuvering.

[@Eradicationist]

its already out, you download grenneli designs f22a and the enhancement mod for it.

One thing that people seem to forget is that the F-22, the F-35 and even the F-15, 16 and 18 are meant to fight together. Can you imagine thinking that you have the drop on an F-35 and then all of the sudden you have a missile on you from you don't know where? Pucker factor to the max!...

[@shots-shots-shotseverybody2707]

Use the f-35 as the dog because it is the worst of all the 5 jets names, it's garbage

[@crashburn3292]

I heard an F22 instructor talk about how you can pull back as hard as you want on the stick and it won't let you pull deadly G's. Whereas, in Gen 4 planes you can definitely knock yourself with G lock. So, the 22 is easier to fly. - Amazing facts like how the wings and tails bend and curve. - Amazing stuff.

[@sasquatchycowboy5585]

False!!! God you people are so ignorant. Fly by wire was invited in the 70's. In order to be a 4th gen you have fly by wire. In a fly by wire jets the pilot is only one of many inputs. The G limit that they aircraft allows you to pull is set by the manufacturer. For instance the F-18 has a 7.5 G limit depending on loadout. There is an override button, actually its a paddle, but it's almost never used. The F-16 is allowed to pull very high G because that was how it was designed to fight. So in all I repeat all 4th Gen fighters you can pull all you want and the jet will only give you what it's allowed to give you. Just like HMDs and the ability to see through the cockpit with cameras this is not new technology

[@jrmardis]

​@SasquatchyCowboy Why you mad?

[@MaticJ29]

He recently did a Su-57 intercept in the F-22, I'd love to see your reaction to it. Much love from Slovenia.

[@Dad_Brad]

Does the 35 have vectored thrust/super cruise?

[@lochieobrien2968]

You should do game jet simulation when you tell a story about your own experiences it would be cool .

[@lemmingt6207]

The "over g" warning is from the f15c module in dcs which the f22 module uses as a framework. Because the F22 is still so classified, the dcs module isnt super realistic like the other modules. Also in real world I wonder if the IRST would give the F35 a better chance at low bvr ranges, thoughts ??

[@lemmingt6207]

@@mrstring4592 yes for sure and i think the F35 tufns better that what we see in the DCS model. Ivd herd she can hang with the viper which ( if true) is crazy cuz ive seen one up close and they are definatly beefy.

[@triggerhappy2408]

Love this guy’s energy

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Hey thanks! I have plenty more to share lol

[@sbunyathi9436]

Subscribed

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Welcome to the team!

[@michaelmcdonie4387]

Please look up the vid of the concept killswitch, Northrup Grumman, possibly skunk works. What are your thoughts on that, because it looks like a real contender

[@Gabriel_McMillan]

I think Growling Sidewinder, in what he calls "dogfights", usually begins all of them like that, with a very close 'merge', as he says. He does BVR matches sometimes too, which might actually be more appropriate for F-35 vs F-22. From my untrained eye, he seems like an excellent pilot, but perhaps you could comment. He's exceptionally good with the F-16C, but he seems to have a very good mind for aerial maneuvers in general, and how to counter them. I personally, as you probably already guessed, would like to see a 2 v 2 match, with an F-35 and a Rafale on one side, and a J-20 and a J-10 on the other (though I'm not entirely sure if the Rafale is available in DCS), or perhaps a J-20 and a J-31 on the other side, or a J-31 and a J-10. I suspect the Rafale and F-35 match-up could beat them all, and could even outperform an F-35 and F/A-18 team. Just bear in mind that things like the F-35's datalink, its radar, its DAS, it's extremely likely that all of that is considerably better, in real life, than it is currently being modeled by DCS, partly because they don't model some of those things, because they don't really know how they work, so they just omit them. For example, they don't model AESA radars in DCS, but rather, they just give it a very powerful non-AESA radar, to simulate an AESA radar, which I imagine is not exactly the same. And things like decoys. US decoys are generally modeled as no better or worse than Russian or Chinese decoys, even though they may actually be considerably better. So just bear that in mind as you watch these. You might consider offering Growling Sidewinder and Grim Reapers suggestions for how to more realistically set up these kinds of engagements, to make it more like what we might do in training (unclassified information only, of course), and more like what they might see in combat, either in a US, UK or Japan force, perhaps carrier based, or perhaps sometimes based on land, versus either a Chinese or a Russian force. It may be that they conduct the missions like that in part because it starts it off in a way that's interesting for the viewers, but it may also be because they never had a Thunderbirds instructor available to offer them some new ideas before... Excellent video. Thank you again. If a sonic boom nudges your golf ball into the hole, that still counts, right?

[@jeffreyfarlow9862]

Be jet clean and growling sidewinder? Hell yah let’s do this!!

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

100%!

[@ricbish4122]

Awesome breakdown of the fight! Always interesting to hear a real fighter pilots views on DCS dogfights & anything else in DCS! Question: So if the F22 is being retired are there plans to replace it with a more advanced fighter to work with the F35 or is the F35 going to be doing its own CAP missions? Thanks again for doing this video & hey when are you going to be flying in DCS and making your own videos? Can’t wait dude! 🤙

[@argusDCS]

Great vídeo! Please next see GS F-15 vs Su-27! 😁

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Challenge accepted

[@mustareally8544]

BJC, hi! one question, is F-35 too much fuel consuming, especially while taking off vertically? Thanks for enlightening us.

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

F-35B Video coming soon!

[@j.r.777]

I would love to see the F-22 vs. the YF-23 in that video game thingy. I wish we would have also built the YF-23 as well.

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Cool idea!

[@kenxiong6830]

Hey Ryan, how do I get the same shirt you are wearing in this video?!!

[@lawrencecardente533]

Does the F35C with it's larger wings maneuver better than the A version?

[@7gmeister]

I’d really like to hear more of your thoughts on the F-35 and its capabilities in a dogfight because some of the maneuvers I’ve seen it do suggest that it’s actually more capable than what the DCS model demonstrates in terms of being able to turn and maneuver. The thing that I’ve noticed is that while it doesn’t technically have super cruise it can still fly above Mach 1 without using its afterburners which is more or less super cruise and I’ve actually seen one doing a falling leaf maneuver which suggests that even though it can’t technically do thrust vectoring that it might be able to perform super maneuverable like turns because of it’s high thrust to weight ratio. Seems like it’s possibly more capable than we’re led to believe in that area. Do you have any first hand knowledge on the subject that you’re able to share?

[@bIoodypingu]

There's a reason why the F35's capabilities aren't well known: no one is going to willingly share that information.

[@7gmeister]

@@bIoodypingu the US doesn’t necessarily hide certain details because they want other martins to fear their weapons. Saying the F-35 has good noise authority and can maneuver in some ways like a super maneuverable airplane isn’t classified information necessarily

[@bIoodypingu]

@@7gmeister Not knowing that information is vastly superior than it being out in the open. Something "not necessarily" being classified doesn't mean anything. US military pilots know not to say much about what it can do. There's F35 pilots on KZbin and what they say about it is incredibly sparse.

[@7gmeister]

@@bIoodypingu thanks for that information. I’m glad you know it all

[@bIoodypingu]

@@7gmeister I'm glad you think information about classified details are not important to adversaries of the US. Pilots should just indulge every question you have because you're more important than anything else.

[@eriktruchinskas3747]

The f35 intake are beautiful, reminds me of the f105 thud.

[@Bunderwahl]

That scene you painted was just beautiful, F-22 and F-35 ruling the skies -but it was never in the Air Forces playbook. They wanted to scrap the F-22 to get even more F-35s. Ditto the A-10, Super Hornet, and who knows what else. An entire force of relatively slow, fragile, short-ranged planes with limited maneuverability to fill the roles of air superiority, recon, tactical bomber, ground support, and interceptor for ALL the services. Unfortunately, they found out that it costs a lot more to operate than they thought. so they ordered more Falcons, and Hornets, and are considering a new version of Eagle. F-35 does not suck, and it has its place, even better than any other platform for certain missions. But it can not be everything.

[@rudyyarbrough5122]

As an old F-4 pilot I can tell you the maneuverability of the F-22 will always win the day. It must be realized that the 90-degree angle offset that the AIM_9 can be fired is the limit and not the optimum angle. The growlers are great simple missiles but do have their weaknesses as we found in Vietnam. I know they are better now but heat is not as precise as a radar lock on.

[@TechnoMinarchist]

Only on close range. In BVR things are different.

[@rudyyarbrough5122]

@@TechnoMinarchist, I do not know what the F 22 has for radar since there have been some upgrades so I cannot say but I don't think there is much difference between the two. I believe that the RCS of the F 22 is smaller than the F 35 so that will make a difference at extreme ranges.

[@campcoldone4072]

Thank you for your service Sir!!

[@Faded-420]

It was over g-ing because growling flies it with the fcs over ride on.. so the computer has no control over AOA. But it will still yell at you lol good video buddy once again 👍

[@draleigh8881]

It's unprecedented the precedence of the unprecedented precedence!!!! 👍😮

[@docohm50]

I spent 24 years in the AF as avionics tech. After I retired I worked for LM. I was at Eglin and taught the AF, Marines, and Navy how to maintain the F-35A,B,C. The F-35 doesn't do close in dog fights. Prior to entering the TOT they do a contrail check. If you visually see a F-35 that pilot made a mistake. They see you well beyond visual range and steer around the threat. The Navy's Top Gun school at Fallen NAS requires graduates to purposely go up against Gen V fighters like the F-22 or the F-35. No F-18 has ever shot down either a F-22 or F-35 in this simulation. The F-35 avionics initially were superior to the F-22 however the F-22 is now getting upgraded. My point is in regards to the F-35 in combat you will never see it if the pilot is executing the mission as he was trained.

[@Mysteryboy0007]

So whats the main advantage of F35? just longer range fights?

[@XerrolAvengerII]

F35 is a smart phone with wings. It has the best cameras, radar, and sensors, the best electronic counter measures built in, and has adequate stealth from it's shape and coating to be resistant to radar guided weapons. It caries a decent number of weapons for most sortees, including nuclear weapons and 2000lb bombs internally. It also is flexible enough that it could perform any other role well enough. Any time you ask "can the F35 be used for [insert mission]" the answer is always yes. @@Mysteryboy0007

[@chuannguyen6377]

BCJ you should watch the ELI 21 DCS cinematic, it is the most intense flick made in DCS !

[@alphastudios3554]

Wanted to ask, if you were going through Air Force training again, and you could choose any aircraft to start in, what would it be? Or we it stay as the f15e strike eagle? Another thing is that these are dcs mods, so they don’t actually emulate the real life physics and performance of either aircraft. Additionally the f22 uses a standard flight model, meaning that it’s performance is unrealistic, while the f35 mod uses the f15c flight model, with a lower radar signature, but they sure do well in bvr

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

F-15EX would be my first choice and then F-35 next

[@EBMisKing]

@@MaxAfterburnerusa not F22? Just curious as to why the f35 over f22! Sorry just a fanboy of that beautiful thrust vectoring jet😂 love the channel and thank you for your service!

[@bIoodypingu]

​@@EBMisKing Just going off what he said in the video, sounds like the HMD is a big factor.

[@Mystical922]

@@EBMisKing the F-35 is more advanced it has an HMD and it should be capable of winning the dogfight if it was in real life with the off-boresight launch the F-22 they are working on a significant package to upgrade it but it was designed in the 90’s

[@macmac0712]

@@EBMisKing no more F-22s being built and F-35As and F-15EXs are being newly built rn

[@FatherExo]

i just wanna see a properly modded (mission systems and EW systems) charlie model, bigger wingspan bigger elevators just all around built for the task, wonder if Lockheed ever thought about making mods for DCS

[@brainmind4070]

DCS is made by Russian nationals, so probably not.

[@CdoGtheGreat]

Would really be cool if you did an update to this video after all of the upgrades the F35 is getting

[@behnamsaeedi]

@9:09 that is unfortunately an issue of the DCS world. F-22 is actually a community made mod that uses all avionic code from official F-15 module. so that is why the HUD and MFD symbology looks so similar. (Some F-22 enthusiasts that know how to code, took the F-15 official module and modified it to match the flight characteristics of F-22 A on paper) Can't wait until we get an official module for the F-22.

[@chrisakins692]

Does the software have AIM-9X?

[@jeromesimpson7701]

Max, I am a retired TACP I had an A1C who was an incredible golfer I would be in the office and one, two and three star generals would be calling asking him to be on their team crazy how golf is with the AF.

[@sparrow9990]

I dont really know much about aviation but how exactly do the planes even lock eachother? Isnt the radar way to weak to even detect the other plane? Like how does that even work

[@andrewheard3099]

I'm super stoked that the RCAF has purchased the F-35 A. I would love to see one at an airshow in he next couple of years when they finally get delivered!

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Same here!

[@GM-fh5jp]

The BVR ability of the F35( its strong point) is nerfed in DCS,They may update it soon given the good reception the updated F16 just received. From long range they will be hard to beat, they have the best sensors in the air right now.

[@Anarchy_420]

F-22's are getting HMD's now and much less known, about 1/3 of Raptors have been using Scorpion Monocle System for quite some time now

[@TheErraticTheory]

Why would you pass someone that close without lighting them up with the guns?

[@saengmanhvilayvanh9038]

At 3:04 can someone please tell me what the rod on the nose of the f35.

[@Rock-Steady]

Please do a dog fight rundown between The Locheed Martin F-22 Raptor vs The Eurofighter Typhoon. America 🇺🇸 vs 🇪🇺 Europe. This will be extremely interesting.

[@np5227]

MOREEE!!!!

[@CRAZYHORSE19682003]

Question, doesn't the latest version of the AMRAAM have lock on after launch capability allowing the F-35 to fire it at an F-22 on its 6?

[@f-35_enjoyer26]

Yea, it's also with the Aim9x. But this is only present on the F-35 I believe. So technically the F-35 would not even have to turn in order to fire the shot.

[@adventwolfbane]

What do you think the results would be if the F-35 had the newest upgrade block for the F-35 along with the new engine being developed for it?

[@TheBigExclusive]

The results would be the same.

[@adventwolfbane]

@@TheBigExclusive the new engine is a massive increase in power, Thrust, and efficiency. That would be a major increase to its speed, maneuverability, and high tech systems.

[@TheBigExclusive]

@@adventwolfbane - Sure the new F-35 engine is more powerful, but the difference is not enough to overcome the F-22's design. The F-22 is meant to kill other fighters with no compromises. It's whole design is built around that one goal. The F-35 is not an air superiority fighter. It's a multi-role stealth jet that is primarily used to attack ground targets. There are compromises made to its design to achieve that. A new engine helps the F-35 a bit, but the F-22 will always come out ontop in a dogfight.

[@vijaymehra1101]

Not surprised at a close dog fight... but what about 50 miles out real world scenario. Real stealth on stealth.

[@johnlang150]

Thanks for the comparison Jim Carry. LOL

[@Aditi27]

Enjoyed learning more about these sophisticated flying aces which continue to upgrade a notch up everytime to achieve supremacy. In a dogfight how much can a fighter pilot rely on lacunas of enemy aircraft than strengths of their own aircraft ?

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Hi thanks!

[@thetopsecretpentagonsclass6350]

Its depend on what tactics you are using! new platforms have high off bore sight on HMD, so pilots don't waste time watching adversary skills.

[@joecool2501]

does the 22 have a beast mode? i have never seen them with weapons on the wings

[@mathbrown9099]

Your youth and energy is inspiring. You must be a highly sought recruiter to youth. God be with you.

[@alexs1378]

Wow, such a nice dude 😎 !

[@dougcronkhite2113]

At MCAS Miramar this past weekend I spoke to a Louisiana ANG pilot flying the F-15C for a bit. He mentioned going up against the F-35, and said it wasn't really even a challenge to beat it in BFM. The F-35 just isn't built for that kind of engagement. In its correct employment, the F-35 was unbeatable, but once they got to BFM, the F-35 died in less than a full turn in either 1 or 2 circle fights.

[@kestutisstugys1189]

I'd like to see a fight between F-22 and YF-23, unfortunately, I don't think YF-23 exists in DCS.

[@sampalumbo8599]

That was awesome

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@lonnyhandwork422]

Only here because of the terrifying way the wedge is worn in the thumbnail! Oh, you USAF guys! ;-)

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

LOL