F-22 vs Rafale HUD Footage Breakdown with Gonky

[@robine75]

FYI. The last disclaimer in french in the video says it all. “Beware, this video doesn’t demonstrate the superiority of the rafale over the the F22 in any way. We don’t know the rules of engagement, and what led to this situation. It only demonstrate that the rafale is a capable aircraft compared to most modern aircraft in dogfight “. No comment on the garbage article though... great video as usual. :)

[@elta6241]

Superiority is a loaded word. It can change on any given day.

[@hube235]

Yeah, a full translation would have good useful instead of brushing it aside the way Mover did...

[@Andre-ff4hp]

Yes man, so in US planes are put, system which recognized friendly or foe, 100 miles away. There is clip where this left side pilot has exercise wiith SU30, and he had been killed every time, it was sad to watching.I have to make corrections, it was, exercise and rules were made before the flight. How western air force planes have systems in raddar to warn pilots if approaching plane is friendly or foe this kind of situation is or will be impossible. Thx. Fly higher and faster, have (a big or long)😂☝️ rocket and go home for medal.

[@Blackmoon9u9]

French just try to sell their Rafale. Using this genre of video In real time situation Rest in peace raf

[@Andre-ff4hp]

@@Blackmoon9u9 rest in peace who Raf, like royal air force from England and others,, hahaha, what u wanted to say, be careful ?? , Egipt, Greece, India, Indonesia, Kuvait, Bahrain and Croatia want them , l asked my self why, over Eurofighter 2000?It has to have something or it just looks the better ?? hahah.

[@jackmclaughlin9739]

Mover: Say hello gonky Gonky: hello gonky Mover: yep

[@michajastrzebski4383]

twr: "say altitude". aircraft: "altitude" twr: "say cancelling IFR" :D

[@SpicyTrifongo]

hey there brother

[@Lxcx311]

I mean he didnt do anything wrong :p

[@oahuhawaii2141]

You're out! I didn't say, "Simon says..."

[@carl626]

Gonky is a secret GR.... :-D

[@glassfullofmilk]

Latest DCS patch notes for the Mirage 2000: Updated G-strain to be more French.

[@Appreciation-Community]

Lol is that real?

[@miragen125]

DCS need a fucking Rafale !

[@fiveninecummins7768]

"sacré bleu"

[@dapwn3ritswatido]

_le-oof_

[@mrpenguin4288]

😂😂😂

[@ak907silvers6]

The national interest online literally posts this article on f-22 vs rafale once a month and has for years. Whoever the writer/editor is for that site is a complete tool.

[@mattfleming86]

I'm pretty sure it's just an ad-factory. I made the mistake of clicking -one- article a few years ago. It was MONTHS before that crap stopped showing up recommended.. fishy search engine optimisation kinda stuff.

[@jacques8971]

Just clean out your cookies and run your protection software.

[@guitardavepdx]

I loved the t-38 kill at the beginning. Using the car analogy anyone who's been at a drag strip on any weekend you see some the best built, best running, cars getting owned by the dude who built a junkyard Foxbody in his garage because he's having the night of his life

[@jonmarlar4346]

guitardavepdx one of my T-45C IP buds beat a Viper, 1v1, three times in a row. He was a Harrier driver but did BFM every day pretty much, Basic stuff. No idea which Viper, I think a two seater out of ANG, San Antonio if I recall the HUD video. Any given day, given the circumstances.

[@nexpro6118]

Now you stopped using common sense and you start being biased like everybody else. LOL

[@focusflare4376]

So all this time, the U.S. tax payer is gouged by it's government for overpriced fighter jets, when all that's needed is cheap t-38s and more capable pilots?

[@liberatumplox625]

At 9G, the Frenchman experienced what it's like to weigh the same amount as the average American. I'd cry too.

[@MiG-31893]

Triggered 13:45

[@FrenchViking466]

😂

[@zacharyramsli8002]

🤣

[@zacharyramsli8002]

@@MiG-31893 He's been hit!.... He's spinning out of control!.... He's dropping bombs everywhere!.... He's destroying the civilian population!.... O the humanity!...... He's destroying so many civilians, it's a war crime! 🤣

[@MadDog11030]

I'd cry just being fr*nch. What a sad situation to be in : (

[@damianketcham]

Did Gonky just climb out of an F-18?? Because he has some wicked helmet head!!!

[@CAL1MBO]

lmao

[@toddie4usa1]

😆😆😆😆

[@Mesofs9]

Removed my like, i didn't want to change the likes from 69 to 70. So my like is this comment

[@damianketcham]

Mesofs9 Lol!!!

[@damianketcham]

@steezs The call sign of one the F-18 pilots

[@slyguythreeonetwonine3172]

"Say hello Gonky!" "Hello Gonky!" I like this fella already.😂

[@bionicsjw]

Love this breakdown. I have a close friend who was a F-15c driver and flew chase for the Raptors during the testing. He would be the first to say the F-22 was a better airplane, but so much depends on the pilot and how the aircraft is handled. 2009 the aircraft was still new and the way to fight the plane has evolved a lot since then. Plus we don't know the details of this pilot.

[@onyxcamaro]

Agreed....I think that is the greatest factor that people never incorporate into the equation.

[@LRRPFco52]

When they did initial F-22A tactics development once the IFDL was working out of Edwards, they flew against numerically superior flights of F-15Cs that were at Nellis. Everything was BVR set-up initially, flown by really senior F-15C FWS patch guys doing the F-22A tactics. They said that no matter what aspect they intercepted from, they always saw first, shot-first, and were never seen. Said it got so boring that they had competitions to see how quickly they could wipe them all out on the clock just for fun. In one 2v12, F-15s started dying without any indications as to why, so some of the surviving F-15s immediately 180’d and extended in burner, pushing through supersonic. One of the Raptor pilots said he bore down on them with Mach 1 of closure and killed them all. We know the F-15C doesn’t hang out inside the transonic region when pushing through, so to have Mach 1 closure in that scenario from perch is just ridiculous. It also opens up kinematic possibilities for weapons separation and WEZ/NEZ that are just unfair. If some low-rate online blogger with click-bait articles thinks that BFM set-ups with all the signature reduction techniques handicapped on the F-22A mean that it is easily defeated, it just shows the quality of that website.

[@onyxcamaro]

@@LRRPFco52 I remember reading an article about that. None the less its clear that the person that wrote this article is pretty biased to say the least!

[@LRRPFco52]

@@onyxcamaro There's an interview here on YT on Aircrew Interviews Channel with one of the F-22A tactics development pilots, a former F-15C FWS grad MiG-29 killer. They covered his career through the air war over the Balkans with the night MiG shoot-down, then the F-22 program. His discussion about the F-22 was more interesting than any of it. He said when they wrote their initial pilot reports after employing the Raptor against F-15s and F-16s saying, "No really, this thing actually works. They could never see us. We always had any number of ways to kill. There was nothing anyone could do against us." Engineers who had been working on ATF since the 1980s came to the pilots in tears. "You don't understand. People have been telling us this will never work. You've validated my entire career's work."

[@joshfoust6962]

@@LRRPFco52 i agree with everything you said. the article didn't talk about how this was a dog fight that limited what the raptor was capable of. in a real engagement the Rafale would be dead before he knew what hit him. the raptor is design for bvr fights. it kills from at least 10 miles away. normally 30-50 miles away and is design to find and kill its targets without ever being seen. so of course it can lose in a gun fight after a merge because that is not what is was design to be good at. i think the article needs context to be understood by anyone who doesnt know much about planes

[@phillipphil1615]

At 7:17 the french video underlines that this in no way shows the rafale is superior to the f-22 , and caution must be taken because we know nothing about the rules of engagement, nor do we know what happened before this footage. (Translated by Lemoine as "Oui oui mademoiselle, baguette formidable tour Eiffel) 🙂

[@chesseastuces9684]

yes but gonky is so superior that he doesn't need to understand another language. The world is him ......

[@teddybère]

Arrogant as an american can be...

[@_Majik]

That article at the start reads like high-school newspaper level writing

[@uditmalik1376]

all their articles are like that.. amateurish!

[@johnp2110]

Its very emotional. Like some kind of toddler temper tantrum.

[@hoilst]

@@johnp2110 Seriously, I've noticed a lot of US defence writing is like that when discussing foreign military stuff, especially the French. Full of passive-aggression, snark, and condescension.

[@Sevoverkill]

It's from the national interest so that is about their level yeah

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

The National Interest reads like it was written by feeding an AI with junk from other defense -news- blogs. They had an article titled "Desert Eagle: what you get when you mix an AR-15 with a gun" or something like that.

[@tigertigre33fly]

Here I am, a little Frenchy glider pilot, paying respect to American and French fighter pilots ! Thanks for keeping our skies safe, hope these trainings can strengthen us together !

[@100ksubsanillmakeavideo3]

Love the French yall have been with us since the beginning I know we give you a hard time but its like brothers

[@alexandrevalentin8587]

@@100ksubsanillmakeavideo3 yes, tbh french bashing is rly hard to endure, especially because most of the reason has proven to be wrong, i rly apprciate your comment, come by at any time we would be happy to welcome you ( secrete advice from a frenchy : usually if you see student coming back from school and well dressed, there are high chances that he/she speaks english decently [ especialy nerds or video games players] they'll be more thrilled to speak to you that you are (we LOVE strangers))

[@GalacticMilkfoam]

GONKY always has the tired young dad haircut. Love it. :D

[@eddiezebeast]

I remember Até's analysis of this fight (and being a bit more agressive on the French pilot for not calling all the fox-2 kills he could have done). For him, it looked like the F-22 pilot was simulating worse piloting skills to test the rafale, which was a new airplane in 2009. The ultimate conclusion was the same though : the pilot is the most limiting factor in air to air combat, moreso with latest generation airplanes limited to 9G-ish turns to avoid having somme goo instead of a pilot on the seat. (by the way, the 1990's variant, the rafale A, was a mirage 2000 with two F/A-18 engines and a new looking silhouette with nice curves... A proof of concept for a joint European fighter program which became the eurofighter, program later abandonned by France as they whished to have only one aircraft type in their entire fleet with a variant capable to land on a carrier)

[@bo-vd4od]

Incorrect regarding the Rafale A.

[@miafridman6952]

Su 57 Falon all drop F22 and Rafale. Su- 57 3D Vector Super !

[@distinctga5811]

@@miafridman6952 Ukraine drop Russia 🤣🤣🤣

[@h1tsc4n40]

@@miafridman6952 don't see all those Su-57's in ukraine though

[@treycotter]

@@miafridman6952 Lol not even 5 of them are combat operational yet, keep dreaming

[@akula444]

So at the end of the day, beyond the hardware and tactics, the French bashing and US ego, the knowns and unknowns... this French pilot is better than his American counterpart

[@nionology]

This particular french pilot was better than that particular American one, yes. In that single instance. We don't know each pilots current level of training, seniority, etc.

[@jcl9787]

Red head dude looks so pissed

[@tindikukka]

Yeah, American pilots are nothing extra special really. Just like everywhere in the world there are good ones and less goos ones. Only in Hollywood movies US pilots are represented as better than others.

[@KurNorock]

Maybe. Maybe not. Like they said, it is very weird and highly suspect that we couldn't hear what the f22 pilot was saying. We don't know the rules of the exercise or even what the goals were. Was the f22 pilot even trying? We don't know.

[@KurNorock]

@@jcl9787 he looks exactly how he always looks in every video.

[@muddyboots1881]

During WW2 the Pacific theatre was won by the US navy mostly because they brought back their fighter aces regularly in order to aid training the new guys and share experiences, whereas the Japanese kept their best pilots out in the field. This resulted in the new pilots coming in without enough experience nor training and resulted in further losses. So, more than the aeroplanes being used it was the quality of training and experience of the pilots that counted in the end. Correct me if I am wrong...

[@distinctga5811]

False. LOL. Vastly superior US technological and industrial capacity won the Pacific theatre. 2 examples: US pilots had radar by the end of the war and began absolutely dominating the skys. Next, the US produced over 100 Aircraft Carriers relative the Japan's 12 Carriers.

[@reboundrides8132]

U.S. technology was vastly superior by the end of ww2. The Japanese keeping their best pilots in the air and not training new pilots was a mistake as history has shown. However pilot skill won’t determine everything about the fight. If this were a real engagement they would have never even went to the merge. He would have locked him up at like 80 miles sent a fox 3 and then leave. Splash one, nobody even knows he was there. Dogfights basically don’t happen anymore.

[@notUrRealDad]

Initially the Japanese had our planes beat, but once they started giving American fighters more powerful engines and aerodynamic designs it was over for Japan. few people learn to fight as quickly as those whose homeland is under attack. The Navy and AAF and marine corps produced some of the best aces of all time

[@koc988]

@@distinctga5811 The same thing happened in germany btw. An airwar is won in the classroom.

[@distinctga5811]

@@koc988 Although training is important, everyone gets training and it takes years to get proper training. Germany was outproduced, outpaced technologically, and it's industry was bombed and starved of oil. This is what doomed Germany. Airwars are won through sustained industrial output and technological advantages. Technological advantages keep your pilots alive, which leads to a more experienced fighting force. It takes a significant amount of time to train a pilot adequately and actual experience is the best training. Inferior technology, regardless of training, dooms those pilots before they have a chance to gain experience which leads to a poorly trained, inexperienced fighting force given the time constraints when training new pilots. Japan quite literally lost a most of it's experienced pilots because of inferior technology, which includes their inability to keep the attack on Midway a secret (cryptography). The US had better trained pilots because a significant portion of them actually stayed alive. When the US deployed radar Japanese pilots, regardless of their training, were sitting ducks: hence the infamous "Mariana Turkey Shoot"

[@andresgarcia7757]

Mig-23s were bagging new mig-29 pilots when they were introducing them in the soviet airforce, so it is not surprising to see raptors losing from time to time.

[@tiffles3890]

The F-22 entered service in the US in the mid 2000s. It's been more 15 years now.

[@OnlyFacts11b]

The F22 was made in the late 90s..

[@ExarchGaming]

@@OnlyFacts11b you're thinking of the YF-22. which was the prototype. Things change between trials and the actual deployment. A perfect example of this is the Russian SU-57. Developed and designed well over a decade ago, in that time frame they had a brand new engine designed that gave them an incredible thrust to weight ratio.

[@trenton.tchannel1810]

@@ExarchGaming yeah but the f-22 is Going on twenty years of active service and the SU-57 was very costly and Russia only made a small number. Most countries are changing their focus to sixth Gen. The f-22 is getting updated and upgraded over the next few years. The SU-57 is bad ass but it’s pretty big and the radar cross section is bigger than other stealth aircraft.

[@ExarchGaming]

@@trenton.tchannel1810 I agree for sure, that their stealth is not as advanced, but their performance is pretty stellar, they can perform manuevers some modern fighters couldn't dream of performing so easily. I think they will lose 10/10 times at BVR ranges, I think once a merge happens though and in a dog fight scenario is where the SU-57 does kind of have a chance. I was never a fan of the F-35 so i'm glad to see the F-22 program more or less be kinda restarted.

[@mustaproductionsperez6726]

Fan of russian fighters here, and of the french Rafale too (that not of the french). This competition says nothing about the f-22. The said plane is a marvel and sure it is more capable than the Rafale, in almost all areas, which is also a great plane which excels specially at low speeds, but mayb the F-22 pilot underestimated the french pilot and that would be all (or maybe not precisely the best pilot for a plane like the F-22). I'd also like to remind many of those who insist on throwing crap on the f-22 in what it comes to dogfighting capabilities at low speed, and let's be honest because it is an american plane as well, that this plane can do stuff at low speeds (in other words at dogfighting speed) the french plane would only dream of. And for those who hate the f-22 because they think the f-23 should have been the winner, let me also remind you about one thing. The F-23 was basically an interceptor, not a dogfighter-interceptor like the F-22. The F-23 is one of the most incredible planes we've known of, but besides the aforementioned "problem", Northrop relationship by then with the USA goverment wasn't the best (the problems with the b-2 bombers), and if you think the F-22 couldn't be more expensive, that is because you cannot imagine how much more expensive the F-23 was among other things because of the tech it contained in order to maintain its stealh capability at the frigging high speeds this plane was able to achieve (interceptor speeds), which btw remains clasified to this day (I think it would be around 2800KM/h. Not as fast as the MiG-31, but still faster than any other interceptor that exists. Also, achieving those 3200KM/h for the Mig-31 takes a while, and can't maintain it for long. The F-23 was supposed to be able to maintain those high speeds for long and while remaining stealhty, which was a miracle of tech=$$$). So yeah, the F-23 was so cool and that, but the F-22 could at least engage the enemy in a dogfight and was way more agile, primary reason (along with the $$$ one) it won the contest. The F-22 is an incredible plane which doesn't have to be the lesser one compared to the F-23. It's just different. If we want to throw crap on an american plane, then we might begin with the F-35 heheh. Nah just joking, but some decisions on this plane like that very reduced max speed really makes someone wonder how a pilot is supposed to scape the enemy in case it is needed. Fuck even the new F-18 has more max speed than the F-35 wth?, and yeah talking about the F-18. I think it is simply the best plane overall ever created, btw still one of the best at low speeds. I think an F-18, a plane way older than the Rafale, would be very capable of defeating the french plane in close combat. In my honest opinion, the only plane capable of beating an F-22 piloted by a true ace would be either the SU-37 terminator (and the SU-35 now too), and perhaps the SU-47 Berkut that so sadly never came to be. All this of course in case the russian planes manage to get (force) the F-22 pilot into a dogfight, because prior to that they should have to evade many middle to long range missiles the Raptor would have thrown at them without being detected, and those missiles..., well, you know how effective they can be, and how fast they are actually. This ain't Ace Combat ok?, dodging missiles specially those ones is not easy. The F-22 very well might still be the best air superiority aircraft, even nowdays. And yes It is also probably better than the cheap SU-57 russian copy.

[@falkenlaser]

The Su-57 looks like the offspring of a Su-27 and YF-22.

[@anarktul]

"Vintage 1990's Rafale" Do someone in US takes seriously what that website says ?

[@yumyum7309]

F22 : “You can't beat me!“ Rafale : “Hold my baguette... “

[@julienvautrin9817]

😂 nice one

[@1.21Gigawatts_]

The f22 beat it 6 times. Rafale got one win

[@1.21Gigawatts_]

@@Zx17OPv57i you call 6 to 1 a win for the rafale? The guy had to do 9 G's just to get the win. Very dangerous move just for one win for an exercise training session

[@1.21Gigawatts_]

@@Zx17OPv57i you think the US, France and the UK flew all the way to the UAE for dogfighting training exercise for one battle and then they went home? Are you dumb? They were there for at least three days and all four countries battled it out and had many dog fights. The F22 will win over 90% of the time. Sometimes you might just have a more experienced pilot in a less advanced jet, which will be good enough to get you at least one win. "The F-22 scored well against its training opponents, “shooting down” six Rafales and drawing in five more mock dogfights" - look that quote up

[@user-wh8mb7tm2g]

​@@1.21Gigawatts_ its a training exercise calm down we all know how good you guys are at war.. laughs in Vietnam😂😂

[@lachyt5247]

Which one of your redair buddies shot that T-38 HUD footage Mover? No way you showed that video by mistake.

[@CWLemoine]

None. That's an old video on KZbin of an IFF T-38C doing red air for the Raptor. We fly A models, so no HUD or tapes.

[@justintime41776]

Next up, F22 gets shot down by a Cessna. Right.

[@heefie8659]

Sooo... Oldsmobile Cutlass > T-38

[@ghostviggen]

justin time I know one incident when a Cessna type fighter destroyed a Mig. Of course the Mig didn't have a pilot, and was parked on the Ground 😉. Just search Biafra Babies.

[@skylur5910]

Raptor gets dogged by a Spitfire

[@Doubleelforbes]

Another great chat. Good to see Gonky again! Hope you pressured him for more ReadyRoom content behind the scenes.

[@Dream0Asylum]

Obviously, that French pilot slept in a Holiday Inn Express the night before. Don't laugh, take any edge you can get.

[@hermievanvuuren340]

The Rafale's HUD shows a tracking symbol on the F-22. Box or circle with single/double lines which is probably determined by the Rafale's selected weapon mode and MARM. This means the Rafale's radar and/or IRST is tracking the F-22 for the Rafale's avionics system to determine the F-22's position and display it in the Rafale's HUD. So is the F-22 carry external fuel tanks which will negate the steal of the F-22? How small is the F-22's radar and thermal signature, or alternatively how good is the Rafale's sensors?

[@Klara906090]

stealth is a marketing feature, AESA radar would bust a F22 at 100km ....

[@Heatherder]

@@Klara906090it isnt a marketing feature but the purpose is to make it harder to see not impossible especially from a rear aspect

[@Glee73]

chuck "yeager" got this video demonetised. unbelievable!

[@dvergar1]

I wonder if the two human reviewers were French.

[@saiajin82]

Chuck Yaeger should be ASHAMED of himself, gosh. :)

[@dutchbrotherfan1284]

Is that true about Yeager?

[@Dream0Asylum]

@@dutchbrotherfan1284 KZbin algorithms picked up a video recently for offensive content because "Yaeger" set off its match for offensive content. It was supposedly reviewed by humans - who also deemed it offensive. Hence the joke.

[@Make-Asylums-Great-Again]

@@Dream0Asylum insanity

[@Raptor747]

"American stealth fighter is not literally invincible in all situations and against all opponents" is the kind of thing you'd say "no shit" to. Especially when stealth fighters were and remain a fairly new technology (yes, I know the F-117 was called a stealth fighter, but that thing carried zero air-to-air capability and was quite obviously a stealth bomber) and they were still figuring out how to best use them. Saying that an F-22 is beatable in a pure dogfight is like saying that a sniper is not super dangerous in close-quarters combat; no shit, but getting into a CQC fight as a sniper means you've already fucked up badly.

[@jordancarroll9397]

Yeah, the 117 shouldn't have an "F", and stealth isn't invincibility, as proven by that serb colonel who shot one down with a 1960s SAM haha.

[@yxeaviationphotog]

@@jordancarroll9397 Bad tactics led to that F-117 getting shot down. Same routes every night.....SAM crews will always take advantage of that. Also, I think the SAM used was newer than 1960's.

[@dsm3759703]

@@jordancarroll9397 Yeah...that was a total victory for the Serbs....and being bombed with impunity for weeks....their ground forces being decimated....they managed to shoot down...........one.

[@agostonbazmajer1100]

@@dsm3759703 Great victory for the Serbs, achieved by a Hungarian man. Classic.

[@ctfxcplane]

@@jordancarroll9397 the F-117 had some air to air capability. So it technically is a fighter? 😅

[@Johnwilkinsonofficial]

gonky: straight out of bed and on to the stream 😎

[@marshal1808]

I my opinion this doesn't take anything away from the Raptor as a modern capable fifth generation fighter, but I think the problem is with people's perception and mentality nowadays. People tend to have a naive and to some degree immature black and white mentality on most issues. What we see here today doesn't really say much about the F-22's capabilities or lack thereof, that aircraft was never promised as an 'Invincible' fighter. Of course it can be beaten, both in a dogfight and possibly in BVR too. So I guess what I am saying is that people have this naive and unrealistic mental image of what the F-22 is and they get shocked to find out that it wasn't what they imagined it to be.

[@FirstDagger]

The real problem is that the F-22 never received all of its upgraded, which means that European jets have the edge when it comes to IRST.

[@marshal1808]

@@FirstDagger That is correct, given how complex the F-22 is, and the overall nature of aircraft design these systems have to be developed by many iterations of updates and changes. No new weapon system is designed to perfection in its earliest form.

[@phill5917]

Gosh this reminds me of the F-14 when it first came to DCS. Everybody thought it would be untouchable but got proven wrong. People really need to realize that it's not the plane, its the pilot and every country has there Bad and best pilots.

[@crankthetank3581]

I also heard that the readiness rate of the raptor is really low which sucks

[@mishrachabra4471]

At the end.... man behind the machine does matter

[@tzebra]

As a retired Army guy I am curious if this wasn't a dissimilar introduction, to give the visitor a taste of a different generation system, and how it feels when in the same environment, and how to work either with and/or against?

[@brucedavidson5400]

I once beat 3 F-22’s in my Cessna 152. The navy called my and made me a top gun instructor.

[@nissangtrnismo512]

You rockstar

[@keirfarnum6811]

When you do it in a Piper Cub, then I’ll be impressed. 😁

[@georgewright1093]

That footage is obviously fake. In a real dogfight, the American pilot would maneuver around the Rafale and end up flying a few feet over it, upside down. Then the American pilot would wave at the other pilot before getting back into position for the kill.

[@zx6rmicron]

SO why was the video de monetized? I watched the whole thing, I did not come across any vulgar or offensive language.

[@nicolasdurand8048]

This type of videos are good because it reminds to anglo-saxons speakers that there are other countrys like France that have excellent airplanes as good as F-22 or F-35. Sometimes they get too cocky that's all.

[@marcgrv4376]

Its fair to say that while a fighter can be superior to another fighter, it all comes down to the pilot's training and awaress at a given point...

[@UnderMuffin]

“This is the Frenchy-est g-strain I’ve ever heard.” 😂😂

[@Spiffo12]

As a French myself, i would say that's our romantism that speaks for ourself. But from a foreign point of view....it is embarrassing :D

[@toddie4usa1]

@Night Crawler 😆😆😆😆😆😆😳😆😆😆😆

[@TorToroPorco]

It was a very passionate G strain, the French have a deep appreciation for things like crimes of passion. But if the French pilot’s colleagues watch this video he may have just earned a new call sign.

[@nathanwildthorn6919]

@@TorToroPorco Yeah, his new callsign is "Screamer."

[@nathanwildthorn6919]

@@TorToroPorco Or maybe "Cummer." 😉

[@kakab66]

Funnily, the Rafal pilot always spoke in English, but his accent is so strong that Mover thought he was speaking French. 😊

[@daviddale3624]

Don't know warm spit about current A/A Tactics but I do appreciate simple physics. Every well trained pilot avoids engagements where he does not have a clear advantage (be it altitude, airspeed, armament, or skill).

[@jamesmurray9441]

You can't expect everybody to be as good as you guys you guys are just kicking ass

[@jtffbison79thfs27]

Haha, le mec se moque du crie du pilote de Rafale ! Il a juste le gros seum !!🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷

[@edouardesk4535]

Lemoine (ça sonne Français d’ailleurs) je serais curieux de l’entendre crier sous les G d’un rafale... Petit (d’esprit) de se moquer.

[@jtffbison79thfs27]

@@edouardesk4535 Oui je suis bien d'accord ! Le pilote tient 3/4 sec à 9,3G après avoir enchaîné les évolutions à 6G et il s'étonne que le pilote en chie ! Dans tt les cas, le pilote à le droit de faire tous les bruits qu'il veut, tant qu'il remporte le combat....

[@Oklm23]

Haha mais grave ils sont trop salty les yanks leur raptor se fait démonter par le rafale à chaque exercise 😂

[@tamatoarulle4242]

grave c des fragiles , Dassault les meilleurs !!

[@zcomme]

surtout qu'eux feraient avec leur accent nasillard y peuvent aller se crasher

[@Spidouz]

Yeah, I think the conclusion resume everything, it was more non-pilot vs. non-pilot; because it makes no doubt the rafale is a good plane, and it was into good hands, and everyone knows the F22 is an awesome plane. It’s actually just good that French and Americans are on the same side. I have no doubt the French pilot would have high respect for the F22 and its pilot and well as all American fighter pilots. As a French that lived in Texas for a while, and now consider myself as a Texan most of the time, I hate when either country reps are pushing their PA narrative. That’s all for the clicks and views anyway... As the POTUS would say: “Wrong! You are Fakenews!’

[@TorToroPorco]

At 19:22 Mover says “this looks more like something you’d expect fighting an Eagle”. Which brings up the possibility that the Raptor pilot is a newbie who’s transitioning from an Eagle. On Jell-O’s Fighter Pilot podcast he interviewed a former Raptor pilot who came from an Eagle and talked about losing his first dissimilar BFMs because he wasn’t familiar with the jet. He quickly overcame this after speaking with his fellow pilots and learned the strengths of the airplane.

[@Chris-nn3vu]

Cope

[@nexpro6118]

Now you stopped using common sense and you start being biased like everybody else. LOL

[@nexpro6118]

Also, in 2009 the Air Force was using f-15c drivers in transitioning them into flying the raptor. So I would say for the first year at least and then flying the raptor, they were using the f-15c types of tactics, rather than using the tactics that were built for the Raptor

[@Jason608]

In summary: "Oh yeah? Well MY dad could beat up YOUR dad!"

[@handicapcrippin8243]

It’s a good day when I see mover upload a breakdown.

[@mikekopack6441]

All true, but the point of the Raptor is that it shouldn't ever HAVE to close to the merge. It should be able to use it's stealth and sensors to engage at long stand off distances and eliminate most targets before it is even detected, let alone merged to.

[@honeybadgerbomb4469]

The Rafale's Radar Cancelation:

[@muazazman3999]

Hey Mover. Do you mind asking Gonky if he was in Malaysia back in 2016. That was the year F22 Raptor and F15 Eagle did dissimilar combat training with the Royal Malaysian Air Force. I wonder if he was involved in that exercise

[@Blackmoon9u9]

I Think he was there

[@CNCTEMATIC]

I saw this HUD video earlier. To me the video shows that its possible for a French pilot in a Rafale to beat a USAF pilot in a Raptor, in a dogfight. Which I don't think you disagree with. Are the French saying it shows more than that?

[@anarktul]

French sofa-warriors are saying that, not the pilots ;)

[@milenko8bradanov]

Yup, there is nothing more to say. This video only shows that a better skilled pilot can slide behind another one. I am pretty sure some F/A 18, F16, or even F5 pilots have long managed to get some BFM score against some F22 pilots. That will not change the fact that F22 is the most advanced superiority air dominance fighter at the moment.

[@johndoe-cd9vt]

There is a reason why this video has been published, that's because at the beginning the US army pretended nothing happened and they started to publish false statements (like their plane had his tanks mounted etc) so the french decided to release the video...

[@michaelnsparrow]

I am curious, is the F-22 even allowed to show it's full capabilities or tactics to foreign fighters?

[@stuffstuff9394]

I don’t believe so, I read an article awhile ago saying that when f-22s are sent on foreign training they don’t use certain tactics/maneuvers and they actually have to retrain the raptor pilots to use those tactics sometimes due to not being able to use them for awhile.

[@ghostviggen]

Stuff Stuff There is not so much secret things you can do in a dogfight. Both fighters are basically equally agile, so it comes down to the pilot.

[@orlock20]

No. For instance, the F-35 can literally fry the radar of enemy aircraft. Obviously you wouldn't want to destroy millions of dollars worth of gear in training.

[@ghostviggen]

orlock20 How can you produce that amount of energy in a fighter that you can fry another fighters radar 100 km away? My guess is that you talk about jamming of a radar. That’s not unique to the F35.

[@orlock20]

@@ghostviggen At 100km away, the F-35 is stealthy. Then the AESA radar starts jamming enemy defenses when it would normally show up on radar. Any dogfight, starting the merge, the AESA radar would have fried older model radars. This tactic would be so common that to prevent attacks on civilian radars during war games, the F-35 training will be done in simulators.

[@karmakaze6694]

It's rather pathetic that you guys couldn't just admit this Rafale pilot outflew an F-22 pilot without spending the entire video making excuses. The whole time you guys were just looking for some reason to say "it doesn't count" rather than dispassionately analysing what each pilot did right or wrong. That would have made for a much more interesting video.

[@CWLemoine]

Apparently you weren’t paying attention.

[@jc1840]

Just curious (if it isn’t OPSEC), what’s your guys’ kill to loss record?

[@CWLemoine]

No idea. 🤷‍♂️

[@jc1840]

C.W. Lemoine Thanks Mover. Much mahalos 🤙

[@jc1840]

C.W. Lemoine Another quick question, out of all the fighters you flew/fly what is your favorite and why? I’m biased and hope it’s the Viper since I’m a Hawaii Air National Guard (154 MXS) guy. BTW great channel, love your content.

[@zvonkoprosen4096]

Mr Lemoine is your last name french?

[@AvroBellow]

Well it sure isn't Irish! LOL (Yes, Lemoine is a French name.)

[@zvonkoprosen4096]

so sad @@AvroBellow

[@keng293]

It means "themonk"

[@kyleking9417]

Love the breakdown videos !

[@notoverlyacerbic9574]

A grown educated man laughing at the funny looking and sounding non english words...

[@jakeh1038]

It's just a joke, lighten up. Eat your baguette.

[@jetaddicted]

« The Frenchiest bla bla bla » My good sir, with a name such as Lemoine, you want to respect your ancestors a little more, especially when that French guy ends up lecturing supposedly the most potent asset your air force has... Nevermind...

[@CWLemoine]

My ancestors have been in the US for over 200 years. I’m good. And no one was lectured here.

[@solwen]

I was thinking the same about his name. There is not a name more French than that and you can find them all over the place (especially in Artois, where his ancestors come from i guess)

[@EEEEEEE354]

LOL "lecturing". Someone is triggered. WTF are you talking about

[@carl626]

Yup. This is why I have a love/hate relationship with this channel. One moment Mover is the coolest guy ever, next moment... disrespectful child high on himself. Very unflattering.

[@lolor-metik2538]

@@solwen i think it's a problem for him to have a french name after such a bashing! And all of this for a Rafale victory.🤣

[@OneCupOfCoffee204]

Question, how likely would it be that this scenario would occur in a time of war?

[@reboundrides8132]

Dogfights are so rare nowadays. Like I’m pretty sure there hasn’t been a wartime dogfight between fighter jets in almost 3 decades. Missiles range/accuracy improvements combined with the raptors stealth capability would keep all engagements happening from ‘beyond visual range’. That’s why ‘stealth’ is the name of the game now and 5th gen fighters are focused around that, not super maneuverability.

[@citoyendumonde9083]

Conclusion : As always no good plane without a good pilot Love from France

[@opticFPV]

Agreed, a lot comes down to the pilot. Glad you guys are our allies, love from the US as well

[@paul5502]

Thank you for adding bookmarks throughout your videos! Enjoy the vids !

[@marcs990]

Is there any Typhoon with RAF pilots v F22s anywhere. I would love to see how that one goes. I know the F22 has the edge but if anything is gonna get close it will be the Typhoon, remember everyone that the Typhoon is a multi role aircraft so it just doesn’t do A2A, it does everything to a very good standard, but yeah, pure A2A then most of the time the Raptor will have it due to the main thing being stealth. The 2nd being the thrust vectoring. The thrust on the Typhoon is awesome tho but no vectoring

[@chesseastuces9684]

The RAF typhoon, multirole? ahahahahaha lol.....

[@marcs990]

@@chesseastuces9684 yup, it’s a fully multitasking & multi role aircraft, it has always performed very well & has proven itself in many real world operational areas.

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

@@chesseastuces9684 Last time I checked yes it was.

[@hvymtal8566]

National Interest Me: First thing wrong spotted _immediately_

[@poulet_malassis7607]

Nice video and reasonable arguments. Salutations from France.

[@Desi365]

Je crois qu’on dit « greetings » et pas salutations.

[@poulet_malassis7607]

@@Desi365 on va dire que c'était pour la french touch. :)

[@everythingman987]

Funny thing is, the Rafale isn't a decade older than the Raptor. IOC on the raptor was declared in December 2005, a few months BEFORE the Rafale became operational LOL

[@bigman-adv]

In the IDF, and in IAF, it's all about the human behind the weapon/machine. Back in 1967, better trained Israeli pilots beat Arab airforces that had superior and far many airplanes.

[@ExarchGaming]

Well, the french havn't been in an actual conflict in quite a while. While American Pilots have been. There is so much we don't know about this fight tho.

[@Matthew-cg7vi]

Love these types of videos! Also love when you have Gonky on the channel.

[@jpbatinic]

Well now we need cockpit footage of Mover pullin 9Gs... and maybe the French G suites have a groin component, you don't know... jkjk great video :D

[@CWLemoine]

You won't find it. F-16 HUD tapes are classified. The grunt is poor form though. The purpose of a proper AGSM is quick air exchanges to keep air in your lungs. Grunting like that forces all the air out and makes it harder to breathe under G. That's why we use PBG in the Viper (and also why it would be harder to squeal like that in an F-16).

[@jpbatinic]

@@CWLemoine all jokes aside, thanks for the insight! Specter series is on my list :)

[@sidharth7522]

You just need to agree that the rafale beat the raptor in a ‘dogfight’. That’s some incredible dogfighting by the French pilot. Plus, the delta wing config gives a very good advantage to rafale in a Dogfight. Engaging the rafale below 20000ft to a dogfight is stupidity for any aircraft pilot. The raptor definitely has a stealth advantage, but I believe rafales EW system and sensor suite is more capable than the raptor. I believe a better comparison for the rafale would be the f35 and rafale. I think the raptor is unbeatable at bvr if they’re aware that the rafales are in the scene. The rafale has a very good passive sensor suite that can pick up stealth aircraft. Remember, these rafales penetrated Libyan airspace for ground attacks with zero air cover.

[@sidharth7522]

One also has to understand…the rafale is not meant to be an air superiority fighter. It’s delta wing/canards/engines gives it one of the best dogfighting capabilities at lower altitudes. The engines won’t be that good for engaging in high energy fights at a higher altitude. The rafales primary role is omnirole. It’s meant to perform all roles effieicntly and more than surpasses every role. It’s only flaw that I can find is fuel efficiency. Terrible fuel efficiency, and it will almost always have to fly with fuel tanks. They also have a very advanced aesa radar, but that radar isn’t large enough. If the radar had more t/r modules, it would be untouchable as a 4.5 gen fighter.

[@classonbread5757]

@@sidharth7522 also let's not forget they are supposed to be flown together, not against each other.

[@sidharth7522]

@@classonbread5757 precisely. And that’s the best part.

[@stoofygrummans-2tracker553]

Did Gonky go Supersonic? He started in his "I Love Me Wall" room and switched to a non-descript room. Whoosh!

[@JohnInWaterdown]

Commenting to state that there is nothing any reasonable person would find offensive in this video. Keep it up Mover! Class act always.

[@crazydingo6285]

Merci

[@patriotic-panda]

I think the fact that the US denied the shoot down, and then France was like “bet” is hilarious to me

[@0MoTheG]

It is strange that the F-22 did not go up. The Rafael has instantaneous rate and radius if it drops and it has good rate supersonic. F-22 has better over the top turn.

[@bujoun76]

I had to stop reading the national interest sites. Dave Mujumber is another "writer" who also routinely gets things wrong.

[@patricecormier7514]

The video of the dogfight mentions this in french the video in no way is ment to show to superiority of the rafale over the f22 raptor

[@aaronsnatic2446]

Loved Gonky's reaction when Mover was busting the pilot's balls for his noises during g-strain...LOL!! The conversation about the factors in combat was great though.

[@Bad_Wolf_Media]

I thought I had read somewhere (and I may just be making stuff up) that the -22 fights with some sort of handicaps or limiters because we don't want anyone, even our allies, to know the true capability. I know the Navy does that with subs, putting on hardware that makes the subs noisier than they are in reality when they're doing training with other ships and subs. As I said, I may be wrong about that (and don't really expect anyone in the know to verify it), and it's not intended as any excuse, but it just adds to the "we may not have the whole story" aspect here.

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

I think everyone does that really, if they don't then well their fools.

[@jacques8971]

For the first time since I’ve been watching your great videos, I have seen you abandon your objectivity. I wasn’t sure whether you were being defensive about a (ridiculous) newspaper article or about the Raptor. You spent at least half of the video defending the Raptor. It doesn’t need defending. The Raptor would have to have failed to kill the Rafale (or whatever aircraft it was up against) pre-merge. Had that happened, he would have already have done a lot of work to ensure his advantage. Speed, offset and visual, etc. That’s why I have always discouraged “neutral” BFM set-ups in fighters. I for one would not like to up against F-22 in any of the operational types I’ve flow in the last 35 years - F-4M, F-4K, F-15ABCD and Tornado F3. There is no need to be defensive about the F-22.

[@CWLemoine]

Have you ever fought a Raptor?

[@johndoe-cd9vt]

@@CWLemoine Well the french could have that exact same question when they hear that anything produced by the US is automatically "the best of the world" ... have you ever fought a Rafale ? with the F4 standard and the F5 standard coming in the next years, for me, the F22 is not even a "competitor " anymore. Now everyone is working on the 6th gen, the US will release their version the first, like all the time, and after that, you will see better versions coming, maybe from EU ... and everyone will pretend to have the best platform : )

[@nexpro6118]

They're also could be the possibility that they set up a very specific type of scenario to see if the Raptor could get out of it. But of course all the biased people are not going to think about that because they want to use any little thing they can to help support their biased opinions because unfortunately that's how people are today

[@xSpcManSpiffx]

I was a crew chief on the F-22s at Langley from 2009-14. Absolutely amazing, huge fighter. It just really comes down to the pilots.

[@mohhassanabdurajak3274]

Why fight the less speedy planes?, F22 is supposed to be stealthy and can shoot from far?

[@sgtborg1]

Before acm in Vietnam it was a 3-1 kill ratio after those classes it was up to 10-1 kill that goes to show as pilots we are getting smarter and better equipped but an aircraft is only a machine controlled by an imperfect being that makes mistakes but what makes them better is they train and become a master

[@Alvi410]

Mason Murchison Take also in account that the MiG-21s were out to hunt any american plane. F-4s were also used as bombers so several being lost because of AA. What you should do is a comparision of how many F-4s were lost to a MiG-21 and how many MiG-21s were lost to an F-4. The ratio should be more in favor of the F-4s in that case. Also you can take in account the encounters over both vietnam and the middle east for a bigger sample.

[@Alvi410]

NeuesTestament Not necessarily. The MiG-21 aint that agile compared to a phantom. The plane that was really problematic in a dogfight over vietnam was the MiG-15 since Phantom pilots would be dragged in a low and slow dogfight where the phantom does not finds itself well at at. The MiG-21 on the other hand Has an extremely small wing surface with Delta wings and behaves poorly at high angle of attack. This means that it must keep its speed or is done for. Cant really push the nose or its at a serious risk of stalling. Comparing that to the phantom you’d find that the MiG-21 has to fight in a condition that is much less dangerous for the Phantom. The problem of the MiG-21 over vietnam was that they used very effective ambush tactics during operation rolling thunder. They did not dogfight phantoms. They run away. This is why operation Bolo was a massive success for the US. They dragged in the MiG-21s in a fight and won big. By linebacker in 1972 the upgrades to the phantom, the training and the command and control made the Phantom achieve nearly total success against the MiG-21s both in Navy and Air Force service. Mind you this does not mean that the F-4 is totally superior to the MiG-21. It mens that the overall system and organization behind it managed to achieve success. This aint a 1-1 comparision. That I find it pretty useless since it tells little IMO.

[@ccclll987]

Guys, a question, why are the images always so blurred out? I dont believe they mount shitty cameras on airplanes, so why is the video so bad?

[@sampadpaul12]

LASTLY , THE ABILITY OF THE PILOTS MATTERS THE MOST .

[@DD-sw1dd]

Not sure anyone thought the F-22 was invincible. It's an odds game assuming equal pilot skill in both aircraft, and I'm sure those numbers are out there some where. W/L records for various aircraft against different platforms in a BFM engagement. The fact that the F22 was even considered "invincible" says alot. It's a design from the early 2000's and still dominant to such a degree. Every pilot knows their platform is not invincible, and have lost multiple times during war games....and the Raphael is an amazing aircraft and clearly had a good pilot. That said, the omission of the comms from the F22 is pretty telling. I believe Lemoine had a former F-15 and F-22 pilot on (if not Lemoine, that interview is online for sure) that said he got his butt waxed when he switched to the F22 in a merge by an F-16. He learned quickly that, even in the F22, theirs no substitute for learning the platform and he can't pull the stick any ole' way. That said, SA is the number 1 killer. I'd say Lemoine is right on the money.

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

F-22's biggest weakness is the fact that well you can't really risk losing it. If you get my meaning, if a Rafale is shot down yeah it stings but France can easily whip a new one out without much cost, But if the F-22 is shot down well that will sting more due to how complex and pricey the aircraft is.

[@ericvimeney2241]

I thank both of you for your very relevant comments. Great respects for the engineers who designed these wonderfull fighters, for the mechanics who take care of them and for the men and women who fly them and defend their respective nation and people.

[@twistedsab]

this was a French push for Foreign Military Sales right before procurement of India to the F35, Su37SM, or French Rafale. they Chose French Rafale for their navy ! which was strange. Kazakistan CSTO county procured Su37SM from Russia. there are other countries procuring equipment from France, US, Russia, and some looking into china as we speak.

[@Spiffo12]

Glad I survive the French (funny) bashing! :D Very cool video, very interesting to have a murican PoV of this, as in France on forums and Facebook it is a video i saw too many times with some stupid cocky comments (the propaganda is doing its job right). And i am glad you say the same things as me, basically : it freakin DEPENDS. By the way we have a former Navy Rafale pilot that have a KZbin Chanel (ATE chuet), and he speaks English (amazing) . Would be very cool to see you both discussing about this video and situation, he could probably answer about the few questions you have. Ah, and he is also playing DCS. Just sayin! ;)

[@felixgutierrez993]

Those Rafales are freakin nice man badass Jets. And yeah when in Dog fighting usually the person who sees there target first and even already on there 6 has a tremendous advantage. Rafales can also turn a dime. Rules of engagements is a factor but nonetheless like they said it beat a F-22! It's just like Ships and there Military/Civilian history, you never call them unsinkable. As Military Doctrines progresses things will change for both sides and improve. Just glad we are allies at the end of the day no matter who wins! Much love from 🇺🇸🇨🇵

[@ExarchGaming]

What was that cry he made during his g-pull lmao. sounded like he was blowing his load or something. :P

[@Blackmoon9u9]

Mover aime pas les français visiblement

[@justanotherbrah8475]

What is your opinion about Croatia as a potential buyer of F-16's from block 70,do you think its the best option for Croatia,because there's 3 more options.Sweden GripenC/D,F-16 Barracks from Israel,and French Rafales.What do you think is the best option

[@martinwood2219]

Depends on the budget because that’s a huge range of prices right there.

[@marcushillerstrom25]

It's funny that the comments is full of explanations why this shouldn't count. Like th F-22 was some magical creature that was invincible. Of course it could loose on a bad day.

[@joshfarrow9707]

The Refale isn't rated for the same gs the Raptor is and the F22 pilot is not trying super hard to shake him like in a combat situation in real combat would.

[@joshfarrow9707]

Refale could win if the F-22 pilot was a noob but if the F-22 had a top of the line fighter pilot he wouldn't win 8/10

[@marcushillerstrom25]

@@joshfarrow9707 As I said “on a bad day”. We all know a A10 has a training kill on a F-22, so anything can happen when you make a mistake. With that said, yes the F-22 will normally dominate any other fighter in a dog fight.

[@yvespagot1586]

I'd like to emphasize the las slide "Be careful : in no way this video demonstrates any superiority of Rafale over the F-22. We do not know the ROE neither what happened during the preceding seconds before the video. But only (demonstrate) the ability of Rafale to maneuver in a flight domain similar to its contemporaries."

[@dustfang5422]

There's a lot of the 'the better trained will win' in the martial arts world, too. Know your tools and use them well, and the numbers won't decide the outcome.

[@JFirn86Q]

It's like what's better, AK-47 vs AR-15 - or any other comparison you want to make, tanks, etc. They are both lethal. Just depends on the circumstances and human behind it using strengths/weakness to their advantage.

[@sgtborg1]

Dude that french guy sounds like me on a fst doing the breathlizer test

[@DIphone129]

Underrated comment😂

[@johns1625]

Someone needs to interview that A-10C pilot who has an F-22 painted below his canopy. I want to know exactly how to the letter how that scenario even came up and what happened during it.

[@TanksForTheMammeries]

Dude, Don't squee the French Pilot for his chuffing. From all outward appearances, he owned the Raptor. Respect the professional. Anything else is sour grapes. You sound like a whiner for this.

[@CWLemoine]

😂

[@lojzekiki8572]

Waw, the whole video your feelings were still hurt from a video made 11 years ago

[@CMBelite-FR]

Those pilot is mocking the French pilot because of the g strain ? The rafale can go up to 11G lol and they would probably lose against that French pilot lol

[@CWLemoine]

A shitty AGSM is shitty no matter what. I have pulled 9.8. Bring it.

[@joshfarrow9707]

Is the F-18 Super hornet block III really gonna be effective if world war breaks out. Refale, J10, su-57, stuff like that would it really be a good choice for a good portion of carrier born fighters. I've been looking into it and have no idea why we don't have more air superiority capable carrier born fighters. Like the rafale M I understand the specs right that the plane would absolutely out fly the F-18 any day.

[@sgtborg1]

What they don’t show is the 5x missile shots the raptor took

[@ericmcquisten]

You're a special kind of clueless aren't you

[@fastsheep3964]

14.40 the French pilot made a mistake. He was in fox3 mode in dogfight combat. I think he was a bit nervous. He didn't pull the trigger when he was in gun shot position ... And then he request Terminate. Why??

[@donszabo7558]

Thanks guys, that was much more informative than watching another version as I'm NOT a fighter pilot. Best wishes.

[@L0r0x_o]

The bit at the beginning is that Mover in the t-38 (simulated) killing a raptor???

[@CWLemoine]

No.

[@damianketcham]

David Ace. ‘Nuff said. He started off doing a webcomic, whatever that is.

[@ockertwessels649]

Is there a mechanism for preventing pilots from hyperventilating or are they not really breathing so hard and so fast?