F-5 Tiger Vs F-15 Eagle Old Vs New Dogfight | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

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[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Check out the Merch Store: teespring.com/stores/growling-sidewinder-store Finally taking the F-5 Tiger for a spin slowly learning this aircraft I think I wouldn't mind doing some more fights with it in the future. Thank you to everyone for watching and a big thank you to Danny for helping with this video.

[@lukebadurski6165]

You should do a towards the ending of the Vietnamese war 1v1 between the mig-25 and the f-16

[@lukebadurski6165]

@growling sidewinder

[@randocitizen6114]

The F-15 was relying on old intel from “Charlie”stating the mig could not perform a negative G pushover and learned the hardway.

[@wolfaja755]

I got to say I have a soft spot for the F-5. I think the key to not dying in the F-5 is just not pulling too hard and using your small profile to help get out of sticky situations. I know that when I pull too hard in the F-5 it sometimes does a high speed stall.

[@randocitizen6114]

@@wolfaja755 the key is to attack from the sun!!! It’s easily lost in the sun ☀️

[@MrSourceMan]

This is less a F15 vs F5 comparison and more a demonstration of what a experienced vs inexperienced dogfight looks like.

[@vivekkaushik9508]

Right!

[@astonmartinzz]

This. Nothing else to say.

[@t.mitchell9135]

I saw an interview with a UASF Aggressor Squadron pilot who flys the T-38 against F-22 in training. He said it’s not uncommon for an experienced T-38 pilot to “shoot down” rookie F-22 pilots. It must be big wake up call for the new Raptor driver getting beaten by 50+ year old trainer.

[@flaxseedoil1000]

"MIG-28s, no one's been this close before" - Goose

[@maxpower7466]

I have created a single mission me on f14 on full gas vs F5 and it is a nightmare

[@sd501st5]

@@maxpower7466 A or B? It should be a nightmare in an A, not so much in a B.

[@maxpower7466]

@@sd501st5 F14B both loaded with guns only and full gas. IA on ace difficulty

[@szybkilewyprostyf231]

😃

[@silumankalimancing669]

Mig 28 in The top gun film 😂

[@butlersmodellingpaintingan3974]

Have to remember that the Aggressor squadrons when they were equipped with the F5 and A4 often scored highly against pilots flying more sophisticated aircraft. Great video

[@freddiemayz4566]

True, But they were stripped down, super light f-5s and A4s with thrust to weight ratios comparable to the 4th gens they were fighting

[@estebanenrique5777]

The tiger F5 is one of the best fighters ever built, but sadly also one of the most forgotten, in Mexico we have a couple of tigers still in service, they were our protectors who protected us from possible Cuban aggression, which more than once approached dangerously, although it is already seeking its replacement, such as the Grippen NG, the tigers were true warriors , a greeting from Mexico

[@lamalien2276]

I see the Gripen as the next F5, its got that 'I may not look like much, but you better not underestimate me' vibe for the 21st century.

[@entropyembrace]

@@Dubanx USAF F-5's flew thousands of combat sorties in Vietnam.

[@msb3235]

Too bad my country (Malaysia) already retired our F-5 back in 2015. They are really capable fighter and reconnaissance role.

[@entropyembrace]

@@Dubanx It never was a major type operated by the USAF but you did initially say that the USA did not field the F-5 at all.

[@paprikaa117]

Man, it's gotta be embarrassing when you panic in a merge and get gunned down within 45 seconds

[@johnharris6655]

"How come you got shot down Colonel" "It was 5 on 1, I got 4" Colonel Andy Tanner, f-15 pilot in Red Dawn.

[@JETZcorp]

There's a running joke in our squadron (if you can call it that). If you ever lose visual on an F-5, count to 3 and then check six. He'll be there every single time.

[@ironsideeve2955]

I don’t get how it can turn so sharply with such small wings

[@JETZcorp]

@@ironsideeve2955 There's a couple factors. First is, it doesn't really turn all that well after all. At a given speed, any of the teen-series fighters will make a lot more lift and have a lot more turn rate available to them. The F-5 is very light even for its size, largely due to the extraordinarily compact engines with a very high thrust to weight ratio. Especially compared with contemporary fighters like the Phantom, Starfighter, etc, it had a good advantage as their wings were even smaller relative to their much greater weight. In order to get the F-5 to turn with an F-15, you really need a surprising amount of speed on the plane. The wings lose efficiency pretty rapidly with AoA, so high speed and low alpha is the way to go. It doesn't have the horsepower to sustain the speeds it needs to pull the G it needs, but against a lesser pilot you can make a hit before the clock (airspeed) runs out. Especially if they lose sight of you!

[@ironsideeve2955]

@@JETZcorp yeah fair enough i guess that makes sense. Cool info

[@allmight1612]

Finally some love shown for the F5E, such an underrated module imo

[@francishwlee]

Guy really should've gone vertical on you and put those F-15 engines to good use. He had twice your thrust-to-weight to work with, if I'm not mistaken.

[@SkorpionX17]

cant believe u dont add this head v head merge on slow mo

[@amonamon245]

Exactly, thank you

[@tupahutuokoneiswife3972]

Statement of round 2 "okay, things are not going well!" Lol

[@roblockhart6104]

Rumor has it that a Soviet captured F-5 proved to be a more agile dogfighter than what they had in service at the time.

[@KRGruner]

The F-5 has one huge advantage over the F-15: small size. In a visual fight (especially if more than 1v1), that can make all the difference, assuming equal pilot proficiency. The F-5 is extremely hard to see, particularly when head-on. Now of course in this video, the F-15 was very poorly flown and this only shows that the pilot can make the biggest difference no matter what.

[@smallcursed2328]

"This should be very painful for me" hell yeah, my favourite genre of video. The winning is meat and potatoes and the suffering is dessert.

[@sweetroscoeful]

Kind of wish an f-20 Tigershark was available to see how that would do....always loved the platform, would love to see how better avionics/power would help.

[@galaxymyt4834]

Brazilian f5 and iranian kowsar they are better than f20 because it has AESA radar systems

[@Vanessaira-Retro]

@@kindanyume I would really love to see the F-20 in DCS. Hopefully someday that will happen. Thank you for your background experience as well.

[@tomdtom5407]

@@galaxymyt4834 no. Brazilian F-5s don't have AESA and I doubt Iranians have.

[@tomdtom5407]

@@kindanyume ok, but Brazilian F-5M doesn't have AESA radar, It has a mechanical Leonardo Grifo F. I really doubt Iranians have too.

[@DrRyan82994]

the closest is probably the f16 but i would love it too

[@GunniesLetsFlyVFR]

The F 5 must have its positives because the aggressor squadrons used them and would have been against F15s in that time period. Im sure the aggressor pilots got plenty of F15 scalps. Hahah Great vid as always :)

[@m0onwatcher5419]

That's not a F-5! That's a MiG-28!

[@basicforge]

A T-38? ;)

[@niki6853]

@@basicforge He/She means the F-5 fighters that are called MiG-28 from ,, Top gun " .

[@basicforge]

@@niki6853 Yes, I know. They are also called t-38, or a version thereof.

[@basicforge]

@闘将ダイモス Because it's related to the F-5. :)

[@gourmetbanana]

No ones been this close to Mig-28's before!

[@Jojo_Bee]

"No such thing as cheating in a dogfight!" - Growling Sidewinder "Credibility is down. Kill ratio is up." - Joe "Hoser" Satrapa

[@MaverickM1]

It is one of the best modules aout there for the price. Lovely plane, easy to fly and has great capabilities in good hands.

[@Mobius118]

It’s refreshing to see an aircraft take some hits without the wings splitting completely off every time!! This was a super interesting vid my guy, keep ‘em coming!

[@Ivan-ow5xc]

My country only has F-5's. I got to hop into the cabins tho, such an awesome plane.

[@RedSky1895]

Never mind the 28 degrees per second, look at that 13.2G turn! Jet should be broken...I guess that's why people say the FM still needs some work. Still, the energy equation is an oppressive master and that was good fighting to keep up with the 4th gens. It's doable (sorta), but tough!

[@Redbull2D]

Just bought the f-5, I absolutely love it!

[@mro9466]

Very few campaigns for it, a shame

[@Dolph_Vader]

it's been my favorite module for years. And i own almost all of them. it's compete so you never have to worry about signing in and now you don't know how to fly it (like the F18 adding the alignment recently). it's so simple, and can technically perform all roles (technically). i just wish it at least had the bombing computer from the F-86.

[@freighttrain7143]

@@mro9466 The aircraft is so fun, and yes, there is SUCH a lack of good content for it. I bought it, I love it, I end up making my own missions but ED really needs to address content, across the board. Dynamic Campaign is in progress but its LONG overdue.

[@Reza-sl4jm]

Do you think its good for start?

[@tomdtom5407]

@@Reza-sl4jm It is. Simple to fly and a bit underpowered, which will make you improve your maneuver skills to survive.

[@magoid]

The F-5 family have better roll rate than any big jet (Tomcat/Eagle/Flanker) out there. No way you can get it in a scissors contest. Also, the F-5E instantaneous turn rate is almost the same as the F-15, so not everything is lost at the beginning of the dogfight.

[@mistergreene2]

Video idea: I've heard it theorized that being as the f5 is so cheap to operate, it could still make sense for smaller countries to use it over more modern aircraft so that they could train more and have more jets in the air than they otherwise would have. Maybe you could put that to the test with a 2v1

[@9HighFlyer9]

Sure that could work. There's no way we could shoot down all of them. I mean our F22s and F15s would need maintenance or maybe we run out of AMRAAMs.

[@bradymorris9074]

Great vid as always. Was hoping to see a slow-mo of that super close merge. That was sick.

[@KC_Smooth]

I was often wondering about lead turning and why some opponents in PVP don’t do it and I’m glad you explained it. It gives you a huge advantage in a dogfight. I’m sure that F15 pilot will learn from all his mistakes and keep improving.

[@JethroRose]

judging a good lead turn is critical for head on bfm. if you don't lead turn you're simply giving the other guy angles for free.

[@tomas7158]

Im glad you showed the F5s capability. I like history. The planes from the 40s to the late 60s when the Tomcats and Eagles rolled out. The F5 back then was even to the F15 in the trials. Think i still have it on vhs, mid 90s. Back then internet was something knew and not for evry man. How about that.. ⭐

[@yousifsalah8052]

I really like the HUD view from the opponent prospective; hope to see more of that

[@lynchk28]

Is nobody gonna point out that he pulled 13Gs during that lead turn???? No wonder he got behind the eagle.

[@chahineyalla4838]

I felt like your attitude in that round 3 is how Até plays pretty much every time. Those few rounds you fire on the first turn, even if they're unlikely to hit, seem to have a major effect on the rest of the fight.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

I agree, its almost more of a mind game than just aircraft performance.

[@Rationalific]

Awesome! I'm really enjoying your videos!

[@ksouza90ks]

I am surprised the f15 didnt use the vertical on you

[@victo2335]

Thx for the Classical F5!

[@HornetVF103]

If the pilot detected such an aggressive lead turn, I would have continued straight under full afterburners to get separation and then I would have gone vertical on the F5. Reset and fight to your fight. As you said, an experienced F15 pilot would not lose against the F5 unless pure luck.

[@canborcbakan4206]

I never was this early... keep up the good work, love your vids!

[@kenhelmers2603]

So many great videos, so little time. Even my cats are mad at me :( LUV IT! Thanks GS

[@MindRiderFPV]

Damn you! You’re gonna get me back into sims.. my last was LOMAC! And many more before. (Falcon, FA18, TAW, EF2000, Jane’s...) This looks amazing.

[@starbase218]

Damn those pesky MiG-28s!

[@ahmediqbal9869]

the iranian air force is salivating over this video

[@gauthiera5501]

F-14 vs that F-5 (or should I say MIG-28) like in TOP GUN

[@chrisdouglas4427]

Just goes to prove a good pilot in an ok aircraft is better than an meh pilot in a more advanced fighter, good job dude!!!

[@petersuddath6477]

Excellent video!!!

[@702BattleBorn]

Yo GS... Mav, you wanted to know who the best is? That's him Growling Sidewinder. That's the way he flies. Ice-cold. No mistakes... Just wears you down. You get bored, frustrated, you do something stupid, and he's got you...Love watching you play the underdog. F5. Keep up the content. Have a pleasant weekend. Cheers.

[@terranceelevate6719]

Would love to see more F-5 content such an underrated aircraft

[@robertmackay4613]

Great video GS! The F-15 should have spotted the F-5E lead turn an followed up with a high yo-yo. The F-5E would have no energy to follow the Eagle and would have been dead meat. The Tiger is a lot more fun if you fly with a wingman and fight like a bandit. If your not cheating your losing (especially in an F-5E).

[@hanschristianben505]

I hope somebody does an F-20 Tigershark mod... that thing fixed the F-5’s low thrust to weight ratio...

[@davy1458]

When I play world of warships.....that whole merge thing doesn't really work out well for me no matter which way I turn lol

[@slowhornet4802]

Not playing that but I guess I would use the vertical often. Not voluntarily though.

[@twotone3471]

Not so, WOW is all about catching a BB with its turrets pointed at somewhere else than you. If you can pop out of smoke at 50kts upon detection, launch a brace of torps into his side while he's still turning his turrets, you win. I miss that game :(

[@jiceBERG]

Flys straight through your windscreen and into the cross hairs, cant hit him. Come on GS, I love the F-5!

[@weld4200]

Like 2 see some blooper vids from ya . or takes were things didnt go as planned... Ur always a stone cold killer in this game .. But even an ace has to laugh sometimes...love the vids my dude

[@VikingTeddy]

Thus is what they used to do at top gun. The F-5 was supposed to simulate fighting against a Mig-21. I suppose they still do it.

[@92993jake]

you also ripped your wings off with those Gs! holy crap, saw 12g

[@bigbitehood1353]

My favorite plane VS my favorite plane.. Thanks for spoiling me!

[@COUNTERCOM]

the F5 is the Loli of Fighter jets, the F15 is the big tiddied onee san of fighter jets.

[@lincolnmicrophonellc]

Your content is some of if not the best I've found on KZbin for this. Hey care to share what you use for HOTAS and if you use VR or how you do look around? Thanks!

[@respectthewind626]

Thank you for the tips

[@ThomisticAmerican13FOX]

To the F15 pilot; I know its tempting to look back, see him, and reverse your turn, but its exactly the wrong thing to do, a deadly bad habit. Try to get better at using the verticle to exploit your power. Pull lighter on the stick and keep that speed up. Good driving sidewinder, I want to get that good in BMS.

[@twotone3471]

3rd fight, the F5 blows off a wing and the F15 crashes. Reality: The F15 pilot watches its wing fall off and RTB landing successfully.

[@Bryster51]

Good use of flaps!

[@hitstick567]

We need some more videos of you dogfighting IN the f15. It would be nice to see a good dog fighter like yourself fly the eagle to its advantages in a dogfight like you do the 16 and 18

[@mehrdad4784]

i would watch every single f-5 video you upload.

[@verfugbarkite]

Well done!

[@stefanblackadder5236]

I really enjoy watching someone who knows their shit.

[@Pablo668]

You did really well. I was thinking, why would he do this to himself?.........again.

[@jhare18]

Looks like a beautiful aerial ballet, but one of the dancer ends up dead.

[@indyjons321]

🎵"Next morning at quarter to seven They sent him to fight once again Against a Foxtrot Fifteen, turns tight fast and mean They said there's no way he can win He sat up in the front quarter At a fairly respectable range Hit the disappear switch, rode out a deep six And the Fox Fifteen went down in flames He taxied up into the saddle Turned on his Em Thirty Nine Blew him to hell, with a twenty mike-mike shell Safed up his guns and went home"🎶

[@w0mblemania]

13 Gees in that lead turn ... geez. :p

[@2rhx]

The F-5's turn rate is unbelievable!

[@denniss5512]

Hey you brought out your Ate side today!

[@brandonscott2870]

Skoshi Tiger FTW!!! Great job!

[@GeoFSAviator]

Wow this is. Awesome.

[@crumbleactualdcs]

"Lead turn theee s**t out of him". 😂😂👌🏻

[@nedbainbridge308]

I would say the one thing the F-5 has more of is appearances in Top Gun but not much else

[@JathTech]

Dude, you're a legend. We gotta get you in a real jet fighter. China would cry uncle before they were inside 400 miles

[@Verminator4]

There's a good reason that the USAF have used the F5 as an aggressor plane for so long

[@Ala13ManOWar]

Agree the F-5 is a nimble little simple plane, but funnily enough you didn't even use the F-5 gun lead computer… XD Good combat

[@militarbrasileiro7519]

"F5 vs SU30" Please

[@adrianaerospace1866]

GS : F-15 Is a new plane F-22,35 : am i a joke to you?

[@splytlyckety]

mig 28 no one's been this close before!... im sorry i could not help myself

[@danielson9579]

In round 3 you treated that fight like you was flying a mig 15 🙂

[@farisshaikh1026]

@6:11 Now THAT was a bubble violation.

[@thetrolle]

Could you do F22 vs jas 39 gripen next? If the gripen mod is any good the gripen should put up with a hell of a fight. Superior thrust to weight vs superior energy retention

[@greatwhiteape6945]

The Aggressor Squadron at Nellis AFB use to use F5. The preformed like a Mig

[@DrymouthCWW]

What a treat to see the f5

[@fangsout305]

Side note, I was curious in fight 1 why your gunsight wasn’t in A-1 mode , it would have helped a bit in aiming. Take it from someone who mainly flies it .

[@fangsout305]

Also , nice for you to show some F-5 love

[@3v4761]

You just proved there's no obsolete warbird in the hands of the right warrior

[@szybkilewyprostyf231]

Cool!

[@johnharris6655]

Congratulations you are the only person to ever shoot down an F-15.

[@Reza-sl4jm]

Please do more BVR fights, it may sound boring but thats the way things work in reality

[@MrClarkM]

LO The first confirmed kill of an F-15 in history haha

[@ethanphilp8220]

Gotta love them

[@Cameron0214]

I agree with some of the others should definitely do F-5 vs F-14 should happen.

[@johnfeger1651]

Such bullshit first of all not only is the aircraft Superior but so is pilot training , real world not happening

[@larrysteve7272]

I highly recommend you try out Booms moded mig-28 it gives the F-5 R-73s R-60ms and R-27Ts all weapons that were mounted on the Iranian tigers its a lot of fun

[@mark12358]

MiG-28 ahead! Hands on my Polaroid!!

[@chrissn07]

8:39 he was so close, your heatblur is affecting his hud ;-)

[@israelipower5078]

F35 vs F15🙏

[@questofknowledge8788]

What if on those first shots the f15 were to go vertical, pop air breaks, and roll onto its back to try and throw off the f-5? I have done similar things in the su-27 and had it work out to my betterment, but I am not sure if that initial gut reaction I have to do that would work in this case as the f5 is much slower along with the f15 being a different plane.

[@avramnovorra]

Can't wait for a proper F5 V MiG21 match..

[@yourlocalhater1858]

The F5 looks like an F-18 but with only one rudder