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@dankuettel5063
@dankuettel5063 6 жыл бұрын
The H model had the J73 engine nearly doubling the thrust as compared to previous models. Little fun fact to add.
@dade356
@dade356 5 жыл бұрын
only 2 of them were fitted with the J73 as it was a small production batch test engine.
@rickmurray7123
@rickmurray7123 5 жыл бұрын
@Paul Beduhn The Navy FJ which was a derivation of the F86 also had 4 20mm guns.
@octane2099
@octane2099 5 жыл бұрын
What about the F86F
@bandbigred
@bandbigred 5 жыл бұрын
@Paul Beduhn thats mentioned in the video ....
@amberteague6199
@amberteague6199 4 жыл бұрын
@@dade356 all F-86Hs had the J73 engine, that's the whole reason why the fuselage is bigger
@StarGazer568
@StarGazer568 5 жыл бұрын
The Bf109 had automatic slats before the Me262. Gabby wasn't shot down. He flew too low on a second pass over an airfield in an attempt to avoid AAA. He clipped his propellers, which forced him to make an emergency landing. He eluded capture for 5 days before being captured.
@jamesthackeray5422
@jamesthackeray5422 5 жыл бұрын
That's right👍
@jarink1
@jarink1 4 жыл бұрын
While they explained how slats were deployed, they made no mention of what they do. These videos need to be a bit longer and have better writing.
@StarGazer568
@StarGazer568 4 жыл бұрын
@@jarink1 I aggree!
@maxace1078
@maxace1078 4 жыл бұрын
Jim Rinkenberger they are made for younger people unfortunately
@stevieanderson9670
@stevieanderson9670 3 жыл бұрын
@@jarink1 basically Jim they create more lift at slower speeds enabling higher AoA...Eric Winkle Brown,,(legend, google him if you havent heard of him) said he nearly shit himself the first time he flew a 109,,said they sometimes came out with a thud
@bigdawg2246
@bigdawg2246 6 жыл бұрын
Everyone skims over the radar guided lead indicator on the f86 which is awesome
@polaskatyu9368
@polaskatyu9368 5 жыл бұрын
Albino Earwig that’s the rare F86 D :p
@richardlahan7068
@richardlahan7068 5 жыл бұрын
Gave it a huge advantage over the MiG 15.
@amaterasu_eyes3486
@amaterasu_eyes3486 4 жыл бұрын
Polaska Tyu No, all the F86s had it
@sirilluminarthevaliant2895
@sirilluminarthevaliant2895 4 жыл бұрын
Not radar. But based simply on ballistics. The p-51 actually had a lead gauging piper too
@amaterasu_eyes3486
@amaterasu_eyes3486 4 жыл бұрын
Sir Illuminar The Valient it did have a radar. thats why its called a radar gunsight.
@vitorsimoes4435
@vitorsimoes4435 5 жыл бұрын
The Americans claim a 10:1 K/D ratio, the Russians also claim a 10:1 K/D for the Mig-15... I think both sides were shooting down paper airplanes and counting as kills :P
@noname-wo9yy
@noname-wo9yy 5 жыл бұрын
@Teddles Peddles You say that but the Russians used fighter aces from the second world war, the same as the USA so their skill was basically comparable. Also the armament of the mig 15 was ill suited to the to fighter engagements as it was designed to nuke bombers with its massive burst mass
@tonygreene81able
@tonygreene81able 5 жыл бұрын
@@noname-wo9yy Oh horse shit the canon that was in place on the MIG was good at taking anything out in the sky. Yes designed to eliminate American bomber , But work lovely at shredding any fighter it gets behind, as well. Make no mistake about that.
@keptinkaos6384
@keptinkaos6384 5 жыл бұрын
@@harv5425 Russians can make no legal claims why the fucking cunts were not there legally they were just committing an act of war why due to the fact it was a UN police action, not a US war
@doch.8039
@doch.8039 5 жыл бұрын
Damn looks like the Cold War is heating up in this comment thread
@chunguslover
@chunguslover 5 жыл бұрын
@@doch.8039 nice
@michae8jackson378
@michae8jackson378 5 жыл бұрын
Really nice report. My dad was an AF pilot. His first aircraft was F-86. I was active AF, computers. and my 4 years were spent in Germany, Spangdahlem AB. Home of the 52TFW! Before you said it, I recognized the Wing patch on the tail! Later I became a pilot and flew for US Airways. Now I teach pilots to fly biz jets. Again, great report....just found your channel, new subscriber!
@freedomvigilant1234
@freedomvigilant1234 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Michael, by "Active AF", do you mean you worked in the digital Computer field? Was that the on board computer system, or the mini/mainframe field? Personally, my own role is as a Computer technician, but love reading about the old PDP-8, 6800, 6502, 68000 and Z80 based systems from the 1960s/1970s/1980s.
@dugwthree
@dugwthree 5 жыл бұрын
my dad was a mechanic for the army air-core during ww2 . after the war he continued as a civilian for the Air force. in the Tacoma area. retiring in 1980. i wish we could talk. but he has passed away .
@Hal09i
@Hal09i 3 жыл бұрын
Doug, I think I know exactly how you feel. He can't answer you directly, but you can still talk to him...
@Agent-ic1pe
@Agent-ic1pe 5 жыл бұрын
It seems to me that the Ta 183 looks a lot more like the MiG-15.
@dankuettel5063
@dankuettel5063 6 жыл бұрын
Do you have to be an Uber Nerd to know about the Me262? Who is your target audience?
@danewilliam2907
@danewilliam2907 5 жыл бұрын
Über Nerds, duh
@danielreardon6453
@danielreardon6453 5 жыл бұрын
The audience who watch these videos and who know about the Me 262 are just normal people
@Powd3r81
@Powd3r81 5 жыл бұрын
I think to be a nerd now days you have to be super smart, not just smart
@47mason
@47mason 5 жыл бұрын
people who play war thunder lmfaoo
@2210Shyland
@2210Shyland 5 жыл бұрын
Yep, or a Blue Oyster Cult fan. 🤔
@focke-wulfta1526
@focke-wulfta1526 5 жыл бұрын
4:01 warthunder f86-f2 sparking flashbacks
@sr7129
@sr7129 5 жыл бұрын
Bill Boomer I HIT THE FUCKER’S WING LIKE SIX TIMES, BUT NOOOO
@mahrezkh1894
@mahrezkh1894 5 жыл бұрын
You got a hole in your right wing
@josebravo1826
@josebravo1826 5 жыл бұрын
Not since the "cannon buff" right guys?
@Marklb1
@Marklb1 5 жыл бұрын
@@josebravo1826 HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY "buff"
@doch.8039
@doch.8039 5 жыл бұрын
*laughs in CL-13A Sabre Mk 5 .50 cals*
@IoannisAr
@IoannisAr 5 жыл бұрын
Actually F-86 Sabre design based on Messerschmit P-1101 Jet and Mig-15 Based on Ta-183.Its ironic but in Skies of Korea there was an air battle between two major German Designers
@jase6370
@jase6370 5 жыл бұрын
With british rolls-royce derived engines !
@IoannisAr
@IoannisAr 5 жыл бұрын
@@jase6370 RR Nene model
@leneanderthalien
@leneanderthalien 5 жыл бұрын
none aircraft was "based" on Me P-1101 or Ta 183,both was recognized extremly unstable (and the me 262 had some aerodynamic problems (loss of controll over 900km/h), so he's design was NEVER use on another aircraft), this is the cause why swept wing cames only slowly in service, first US jets had conventioonal wings (ex: T33), and the conventional wing was long time use on jets like on the well known Fouga magister
@rrnate
@rrnate 4 жыл бұрын
The F-86 was developed from the FJ-1, which was a new design for the Navy. The MiG 15 was developed from the MiG 9. The only aircraft I can think of that was based on either the P.1101 or Ta 183 was the X-5, which pretty clearly has the roots of it's design in the P.1101. The F-86 and MiG 15 have sort of similar layouts to the Germans, but they're certainly not based on them.
@generalripper7528
@generalripper7528 4 жыл бұрын
@@leneanderthalien Good excuse. Reminds me of how the Allies tried to convince people that the M1 Garand was a better design than the StG44.
@jwilder47
@jwilder47 5 жыл бұрын
Both the F-86 and the MiG-15 took some cues from it, but the Sabre is even more heavily influenced by NAA's earlier P-51.
@savagecub
@savagecub 4 жыл бұрын
If anyone copied the FW TA-183 I think it was more likely the Saab J29.
@kdrapertrucker
@kdrapertrucker 3 жыл бұрын
Micheal Dorn, the actor who played Worf in star trek: the next generation owned an F-86.
@milano61
@milano61 6 жыл бұрын
"If you're screaming down the runway at 400 MPH", what's he talking about!?!
@cva1122
@cva1122 6 жыл бұрын
Good catch. I believe the touchdown speed was around 110. The speed brakes were used well before the runway, during approach.
@FallenPhoenix86
@FallenPhoenix86 5 жыл бұрын
If you're "screaming down the runway at 400 mph" in anything you've long since left your landing gear behind... the dialogue in this series of videos is embarrassing... aimed at kids I guess.
@rahilqamer
@rahilqamer 5 жыл бұрын
DescriptionAir Commodore Muhammad Mahmood Alam SJ was a Pakistani fighter pilot who was officially credited for shooting down five Indian Fighter Jets during the Indo-Pakistani. He was a F-86 Sabre flying ace as per Pakistan Air Force In 1965 war between Pakistan and India
@dylanmilne6683
@dylanmilne6683 5 жыл бұрын
"hey wow look at what's on the bottom of this aircraft? That's right wheels, the plane has these so it can land" Please be more in depth and try not to be kooky and funny, it's just a distraction.
@jasong5163
@jasong5163 5 жыл бұрын
Drives me nuts. Lol glad I'm not the only one
@tomthx5804
@tomthx5804 5 жыл бұрын
the kooky and funny thing is just annoying
@Kay_213_
@Kay_213_ 5 жыл бұрын
Well I actually have a sense of humor so...
@TonymanCS
@TonymanCS 5 жыл бұрын
You know what is the airshow crowd consist of? Mostly of people with 0 knowledge of aviation. Noobs get their basic information from this video while we nerds get some pretty cool look at the plane from almost all angles. Win win situation.
@lel2015
@lel2015 5 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ calm down you nerd. This show is intended for kids and more people who dont know much about aviation a 6minute video isn't going to talk about ever screw the plane has.
@marsilingmartian239
@marsilingmartian239 5 жыл бұрын
Some F-86 Sabre were shot down over Korea. The USSR capture them and found that the F-86 gun radar is very advance. MIG15 don't have gun radar. USSR reverse engineer the F-86 gun radar and put the gun radar in the improved version MIG15 => MIG17. The MIG17 also have after burner to increase the speed. After Korea war, US found that the MIG15 have bigger guns - 23mm and 30mm. That is why later version of F-86 have 20mm cannons.
@javaidhaider9289
@javaidhaider9289 4 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention that the F 86 was designed by the German whose name was Lippisch. He designed the Messeschmitt ME 163, a rocket propelled fighter having a speed of 700 miles, for the Luftwaffe. That is just a shade short of supersonic. Apart from designing the F 86, Lippisch was also involved in the American development of rocket planes, the X series.
@fw1421
@fw1421 4 жыл бұрын
The Last Air Superiority fighter that was designed to Dog Fight until the F-16 came out.
@johnanthony8874
@johnanthony8874 5 жыл бұрын
Really nothing on the engine, speed ,ceiling etc Come on man be more informative or is this information for children?. You have really awesome access to legendary hardware and you keep trying to be funny Get into the weeds with detail and I bet your subscribers will go up.
@Babarkhan-dn2be
@Babarkhan-dn2be 5 жыл бұрын
f 86 sabre was used by PAF (Pakistan airforce) in 1965 indo pak war. f 86 sabre was one of the best aircraft at that time.
@anand34s
@anand34s 5 жыл бұрын
I have a piece of one of those planes. It's from one of those that had gotten shot down
@TonymanCS
@TonymanCS 5 жыл бұрын
@@anand34s And then an another Pakistani guy would show up, claiming he has a piece of a MiG used by Indian. What kind of childish dick-measuring contest is this? This is not a place for political BS, bugger off if you are not aviation enthusiastic.
@SimonWallwork
@SimonWallwork 4 жыл бұрын
I think the tone is a bit off in these videos. I've been you your museum, and it was worth a visit. You should realise that most of your viewers are genuinely interested in the history, and other factual stuff, about the aircraft you have there. A bit more of that, and a bit less of your not very funny presentation style would work better. It's not really a funny subject.
@johanboes1
@johanboes1 5 жыл бұрын
When the presenter is more important than his subject.
@wish1were
@wish1were 4 жыл бұрын
My pop was engine mech on these tiny early daze...sigh
@ronaldtartaglia4459
@ronaldtartaglia4459 6 жыл бұрын
You forgot the all moving tail plane
@jd.3493
@jd.3493 4 жыл бұрын
The slats were on the BF-109 before the ME-262 😉
@ari-cowan
@ari-cowan 5 жыл бұрын
Nicely done. I want to note that no aircraft (that I know of) travels down the runway at 400mph+ (348knots+). I believe the F-86H had a landing speed of around 126 knots. With that in mind, it would not be going more than that to take off.
@guillermohoffmann8417
@guillermohoffmann8417 5 жыл бұрын
The aussie Sabres carried an even more powerful cannon among other goodies!
@thehoff1793
@thehoff1793 5 жыл бұрын
Guillermo Hoffmann and engines....
@Retroscoop
@Retroscoop 5 жыл бұрын
Why are there always "ie"-sounds involved whenever Australia is the topic ?
@acoote1701
@acoote1701 5 жыл бұрын
The Aussie Sabres had an Avon engine from the Canberra bomber for higher thrust which necessitated a wider and longer rear fuselage and wider jet air intake compared to its US built cousins, it was also equipped with only 2 30mm Aden cannon, one on each side, usually they were equipped with AIM-9B Sidewinders under each wing on patrol missions.
@Skim_beeble7125
@Skim_beeble7125 2 жыл бұрын
The slat got removed with later models it was found to be pretty useless lol
@anand34s
@anand34s 5 жыл бұрын
I have a piece of this plane. It was used by the Pakistani air force in the 71 war and the piece is from a plane which was shot down Edit: 65* war
@yycwill
@yycwill 5 жыл бұрын
Stop trying to be funny please.
@robh4671
@robh4671 3 ай бұрын
The most gorgeous looking jet ever designed.
@jackziaster
@jackziaster 5 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mentioned that F-86 front radar is synchronized with these guns. When enemy is in the radar range . These guns adjust themselves and pilot have push the button only . Not correct the direction of plane.
@tahatanacar273
@tahatanacar273 5 жыл бұрын
For many times Americans tried to use radar guided nose turrets on their aircrafts as prototypes but sabre was never one of them. Sabres had normal gyro gunsights or on some models the radar assisted gun sight. With the use of the radar assisted gunsight the pilot had to achieve a valid painting on the enemy plane and then place the gun cross on the enemy aircraft then pull the trigger. There were never self adjusting guns.
@Lucky_MiTo.
@Lucky_MiTo. 4 жыл бұрын
Soviet la5s had slats in ww2
@Imnotyourdoormat
@Imnotyourdoormat 4 жыл бұрын
great video...but the intel on Gabreski is often contested and debated, both ways, even by men like Yeager....for many years...Francis S. Gabreski held 1st place in the E.T.O. with a recorded 34 air-to-air kills, Robert S. Johnson in 2nd with 28....both were in the legendary 56th fighter group....Bong and McGuire in the P.T.O. with 40 and 38 respectively....Yeager has even stated that many of "Gabbys" kills were on the ground....but good video...kutgw!!!
@GhostofRhurValley
@GhostofRhurValley 5 жыл бұрын
I didn't realize they actually made the 20mm sabre I thought it didn't make it off the blueprints .
@user-fj7ig2jq6q
@user-fj7ig2jq6q 5 жыл бұрын
GhostOfRhurValley america experimented quite a bit with them, even before the H model. The F86F-2 was made in small quantities, it even made it into the Korean War. While the F86F-2... was not the greatest aircraft, it was prone to falling out of the sky after firing its guns, improvements in the guns and aircraft led to the F86H and F100, both armed with further variants of the F86F-2’s 20mm.
@The.Drunk-Koala
@The.Drunk-Koala 5 жыл бұрын
The CA-27 sabre had twin 30mm cannons 150 rounds each. They mainly flew with the RAAF.
@polaskatyu9368
@polaskatyu9368 5 жыл бұрын
And other Sabre with 20mm is the F86H
@billhuber2964
@billhuber2964 5 жыл бұрын
Our Germans were better than their Germans.
@paulgerald5808
@paulgerald5808 4 жыл бұрын
Me -262:,the famed ,6-3 wing . Welcome to the F-86; Sabre jet .
@jeffsmith2022
@jeffsmith2022 5 жыл бұрын
The F- 86 was a work of art, besides being a fighter jet...
@Anlushac11
@Anlushac11 5 жыл бұрын
The current history does not support the 10:1 ratio. The ratio was closer to 1.5:1 or 2:1 On a side note the Soviets claimed more F-86's than ever served in Korea.
@generalripper7528
@generalripper7528 5 жыл бұрын
The kill ratios during that time were flawed on both sides. You are flying super fast jets and shooting at your enemy with machineguns, while your window of opportunity is often times just a split second. Read "The Hunters" to understand how kill ratios worked in the Korean Air War. The pilots were under pressure to report "kills" and often times even disputed kill claims were simply accepted as kills to make your squadron look good.
@friesingcold
@friesingcold 5 жыл бұрын
Actually the Wing slat came from a variant of the BF-109
@stephenhobbs1052
@stephenhobbs1052 4 жыл бұрын
Me 108 and 109 had leading edge automatic slats in the 1930’s
@guitarsarelikestupid7200
@guitarsarelikestupid7200 4 жыл бұрын
I never even noticed the fact that some F-86's had clamshell style hinged canopies.
@kurdtcocaine0
@kurdtcocaine0 4 жыл бұрын
GuitarsAre LikeStupid only the H model, it also had a wider nose
@HookerGaming
@HookerGaming 6 жыл бұрын
My Favorite Jet! love the channel keep it up!
@GeneralLauren29
@GeneralLauren29 5 жыл бұрын
it's my favourite jet too
@snarkymatt585
@snarkymatt585 4 жыл бұрын
If you like the F86 Sabre then you should check out the CAC CA-26 Sabre if you haven't already.... Though I doubt you'll find it featured in a video game lol. See while the F86 was a good fighter jet it took us Australians to make it a great fighter jet. The CA-26 Sabre with it's Rolls Royce engine (the real deal) instead of a piddly General Electric copy, it had a faster speed (102%) and rate of climb (133%) as well as a higher service ceiling (106%) than the Yank version. Forget the F86 with its six .50cal machine guns, unguided rockets or bombs that's weak. The CA-26 was much more deadly with two 30mm Aden cannon and two Aim-9 Sidewinders as well as being able to carry unguided rockets and bombs. While the CA-26 Sabre never saw air-to-air combat it flew on active service patrolling Thai airspace during the Vietnam conflict as part of Australia's contribution to the conflict. The RAAF also deployed Canberra bombers to South Vietnam but I digress there. The CA-26 served far longer with the RAAF (until 1971) than the F86 served with the USAF. The RAAF replaced them with the Mirage III because the regional competition who had at the time been trouble making (Indonesia) was starting to develop a jet airforce of their own and Australia needed to shift to supersonic fighters to maintain our regional strategic supremacy.
@elainericketts8820
@elainericketts8820 5 жыл бұрын
the ME-109-E also had SLATS...........
@bursucu2912
@bursucu2912 5 жыл бұрын
You forgot about the radar adjusted gun sights
@wamgoc3637
@wamgoc3637 4 жыл бұрын
A MiG and a Sabre flew over my house in formation once. About five years ago.
@796andy2
@796andy2 5 жыл бұрын
first bent wing US and best looking imo
@georgezinser8682
@georgezinser8682 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the memories. Worked on these for almost four years
@pepsidoggo1598
@pepsidoggo1598 5 жыл бұрын
The F86 was not based on the Ta-183, rather it was based on the Messerscmitt P.1011
@DRAGONSLAYER1220
@DRAGONSLAYER1220 2 жыл бұрын
The TA-183 to me more resembles the MiG-15 than the F-86
@Tamburahk
@Tamburahk 5 жыл бұрын
automatic wing slot was used by germans already on BF 109 E :D xD its 1938-39 xD
@jeffyoung60
@jeffyoung60 3 жыл бұрын
It's too bad the F-86H did not see combat over Korea. In fact though, the F-86H was an interim model, as the F-100 Super Sabre was about to begin mass production and its speed was higher than the F-86H. Still the USAF saw the need for the F-86H as insurance, should war break out before the F-100 could reach widespread deployment, which would take much time. Existing USAF jet fighter pilots were already trained on the F-86A, E, and F models so transitioning to the H model would be near seamless. The F-86H was the penultimate F-86 Sabre since the F-100 Super Sabre was a completely different jet fighter. North American aerospace designers intended the F-86H to be the optimal, perfected Sabre jet, gaining the final ascendancy over the MiG-15bis. The F-86H was slightly faster than the F-86F, but not much. It's chief virtues were that the H model could reach the same maximum altitude as the MiG-15bis. The original MiG-15 possessed a max altitude of 50,000 ft against the F-86A max altitude of only 45,000 ft. MiG-15 pilots used the 5,000 feet advantage to climb to safety away from the F-86A. The later improved F-86F could attain just over 48,000 ft, mostly canceling out the altitude advantage of the MiG-15. The H model possessed the far more effective, short-barreled Hispano 20mm cannon. Early Sabre jet fighter pilots discovered their sextet of M2 .50 caliber heavy machine guns were less effective in jet-to-jet combat. Distances between jet fighters during combat were wider, straining the maximum range effectiveness of the .50 caliber heavy projectiles. Sabre jet pilots claimed they could see their .50 caliber bullets glancing off the MiG-15's fuselage. Jet fighters needed thicker metal surfaces but that in itself did not make it impervious to .50 caliber bullets. The Germans of WW2 learned that a minimum of 1/2 inch, or, rather, 12.7mm of plate steel was required to stop a .50 caliber bullet. Rather the thicker metal skin of the MiG-15 helped it to deflect off .50 caliber projectiles striking it at very shallow angles as one would expect from a Sabre jet firing from astern. Sabre pilots often had to expend almost their entire ammunition load shooting down one MiG. Gun camera film appears to show damage to to MiGs by .50 caliber bullets traveling up the tail pipe to destroy the engine. Otherwise the Sabre pilot had to shoot from a much closer range and hope his .50 caliber bullets would penetrate instead of deflecting off the MiG. It did work nonetheless on occasion. While the F-86H might overtake the MiG-15bis, a nasty surprise awaited the USAF had war broken out between the US and the USSR. In 1951 the Soviet Air Force introduced the MiG-17, essentially a perfected and much improved version of the MiG-15bis. The MiG-17, NATO codename, Fresco, was about thirty miles per hour faster than the F-86H and its maximum altitude was just over 51,000 feet. The easy-to-manufacture, straightforward-to-fly, and easy-to-maintain MiG-17 proved so dependable that it remained in service long after successor Soviet fighter jets, the MiG-19 and the MiG-21 superseded the 17 in frontline service. During the Vietnam War, the MiG-17 gave the USAF and US Navy aviators a lot of problems because the MiG-17 could climb fast and maneuver better than the more advanced American jet fighters and fighter bombers. The MiG-17's armament of two, 23mm cannon and 37mm cannon were devastating against American jet fighters. Any strike on the fuselage and the American jet fighter was going down and its pilot a high risk of becoming an unwanted guest in the Hanoi Hilton prison.
@rjs1jd
@rjs1jd 5 жыл бұрын
I thought an Uber nerd was someone who drove or rode in an Uber!!!!
@jeffyoung60
@jeffyoung60 3 жыл бұрын
The USAF initially claimed an incredulous 16 to 1 kill ratio over the MiG-15 jet fighter interceptor during the Korean War. Over the following decades, the USAF quietly reduced this official kill ratio to 7 to 1 against the MiG-15. Military aviation historians were still not satisfied. American military historians have since then argued in favor of 5 to 1, even as low as 3 to 1. Yet far from denigrating either side, the more realistic kill ratio proposals give far more credit to the skilled Russian fighter pilots that are due them. The Russians in turn claimed a favorable 7 to 1 kill ratio over the Americans. Somewhere among this unresolved dispute is the probability the true kill ratio might be as good as 3 to 1 in favor of the Americans or as low as 1.5 to 1 in favor of the Americans. Bear in mind that the Soviets later turned over the MiG-15 flying to Red Chinese and North Korean pilots who were inexperienced and their level of training expertise is not accurately known. These Chinese and Korean jet pilots probably incurred more losses than their far more experienced Russian counterparts. Also the Soviet MiG-15 pilots had the opportunity to go up against other jet fighters such as the P-80 Shooting Star, the F-84 Thunderjet, the US Navy F9F Panther jet, the British Gloster Meteor, all of which were very good jet fighters but still inferior in jet performance to the faster MiG-15. Those fighters did incur losses in combat against the fast, fast-climbing, nimble MiG-15. Taken together as a whole group of enemy jets, the Soviets might indeed have achieved a higher gross total kill ratio over all enemy jets.
@fuechse7848
@fuechse7848 5 жыл бұрын
Did you not talk about the later additions of an all moving tail to the f-86?
@paulchmielewski5021
@paulchmielewski5021 6 жыл бұрын
Back in the 1950's the Schenectady Air Guard base has a wing of F86's. Eventually they transfered to Syracuse. These were hard wing F86's W/O slats.
@NaveedRazaSahi
@NaveedRazaSahi 5 жыл бұрын
MM alam a 🇵🇰 Pakistani pilot shot down 5 indian jets in 1965 indo pak war within 30 seconds & its world record.
@DARKKNIGHT-ur7uz
@DARKKNIGHT-ur7uz 5 жыл бұрын
Simply u can say -> Nazi Tech with US Paint
@johnydomino
@johnydomino 5 жыл бұрын
''I love this stuff, this is how innovation works!'' yea bud, just go there steal some stuff, make it yours and it is innovation ;)
@maxace1078
@maxace1078 4 жыл бұрын
Johnny Domino try a 262 vs a 86, fritz is gonna have a bad day
@generalripper7528
@generalripper7528 4 жыл бұрын
@@maxace1078 You obviously haven't spent some time reading up on German fighter projects. The US used a lot of German research in the development of the F-86. Look at the Me P.1110/II for example. That design was way beyond it's time and is more like the jets that the F-86 would have competed against, if Germany wasn't a pile of rubble at that point.
@maxace1078
@maxace1078 4 жыл бұрын
General Ripper the 262 had an engine service life of 25 hours, it’s 30mms had obscenely low muzzle velocity, any glancing blow could completely end one of it’s engine, the engines had poor heat management, the f-86 was made way later and way better
@Koyomix86
@Koyomix86 3 жыл бұрын
@@generalripper7528 the 262 isn’t even comparable to the saber
@shoibqureshi2266
@shoibqureshi2266 3 жыл бұрын
1965 India Pakistan War. Pakistan Air force Sabre F86 pilot MM Alam shot down 5 Indian aircrafts in one minute this is a world record. F86 SABRE considered one of the best aircraft at that time ⏲️
@Makaveli175
@Makaveli175 4 жыл бұрын
M.M.Alam PAF Pilot who shot down 5 Indian Migs in less then a minute during the 1965 war
@chrysler5thavenue822
@chrysler5thavenue822 4 жыл бұрын
Love the series but did you just say stealing tech from captured engineers was “how innovation works”? LOL still love it.
@BLACKMONGOOSE13
@BLACKMONGOOSE13 5 жыл бұрын
“I’m going to hit the brakes and he’ll fly right by.”
@Hal09i
@Hal09i 3 жыл бұрын
52TFW! I know that well enough. Spangdahlem Air Base, Germany. I was an air traffic controller working at Eifel Approach Control, assigned to the 2137th Comm Squadron, Major Dean C. Alexander commanding. Fun times! this was 1982-1985 and we flew the F4 Wild Weasel. Many times I was woken up by that sound of freedom...
@charles1964
@charles1964 2 жыл бұрын
The "Captured German Technology" is so overstated, NACA was experimenting with Airfoils too. Controllable Leading Edge Slots @1:18 was being used by Handley Page (HP20) in 1921
@snarkymatt585
@snarkymatt585 4 жыл бұрын
The F86 was a good fighter jet... Though it took us Australians to make it a great fighter jet. The CA-26 Sabre with it's Rolls Royce engine instead of a piddly General Electric one, it had a faster speed (102%) and rate of climb (133%) as well as a higher service ceiling (106%) than the Yank version. The CA-26 was much more deadly with two 30mm Aden cannon and two Aim-9 Sidewinders as well as bombs. While the CA-26 Sabre never saw air-to-air combat it flew on active service patrolling Thai airspace during the Vietnam conflict and served far longer with the RAAF (until 1971) than the F86 served with the USAF.
@1creeperbomb
@1creeperbomb 10 ай бұрын
Dunno why this video comes off with so much missed or inaccurate information, considering this is from a Museum. The F-86 had an estimated 2:1 kill ratio in Korea, 10:1 is literally insane. Even the PAF got lucky with a best of 3:1 in the 1971 war with help from Chuck Yeager. Missed radar gun sight, engine, the actual data NA used which was wind tunnel data, what the slats actually do, sidewinders in Korea, LABS being retrofitted onto the F models, the canadair sabres, breaking the sound barrier in a sabre.
@ivanrohal7489
@ivanrohal7489 4 жыл бұрын
This IS NOT REGULAR Sabre... Actually this is F-86H as far as it gets from regular Sabre... The list of other nonsence in the clip does not even make sence to bother to comment...
@thomasdisharoon2512
@thomasdisharoon2512 4 жыл бұрын
The focke wulf ta 183 was the basis for the Soviet Mig 15. German designed Soviet built. What about Jack Ridley and the flying tail. I do enjoy the watching the video's that you put out.
@chrisroberts6043
@chrisroberts6043 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not a fan of Nazis or the horror they affronted on Europe in the late thirties. It I absolutely love the ME-262, if I could be a airplane it would be the ME-262. It looks like a shark, great white to be exact, of the skies. Luckily, Hitler was currupt absolutely and thought he knew best, he didn't focus efforts to ME-262, allied bombers would have never reached Germany. People often attack the things they hate about themselves.
@diegodelizsoto
@diegodelizsoto 4 жыл бұрын
No impossible the German designer if focke wulf fled to Argentina and not the Us
@SimonWallwork
@SimonWallwork 4 жыл бұрын
For starters, the auto slat wasn't invented by Messerschmitt. And they used it on the Bf-108 long before the Me-262. The air brakes are mostly not just for landing, but for speed control in other flight regimes, like ground attack and on approach.
@paulreed1142
@paulreed1142 4 жыл бұрын
I would say that the Huckebein (Ta-183) had more in common with the MiG-15 than the F-86. The Ruskies got some Nazi scientists as well, you know.
@MBailey1977
@MBailey1977 5 жыл бұрын
So what came first, the mig 15 or f86? Very similar in design. We have a f86 in need of restoration in front of our vfw. I'm 42 and still enjoy seeing it.
@matthewf8889
@matthewf8889 5 жыл бұрын
2:04 you are in big trouble I would think is you are trying to land at 400mph even with a air-break
@jsfbr
@jsfbr 3 жыл бұрын
Allow me to add that Gabreski was a fighter ace both flying P-47s over Europe and F-86s over Korea.
@GoodVideos4
@GoodVideos4 5 жыл бұрын
I was wondering how many F-86 Sabres are flying.
@Garhunt05
@Garhunt05 5 жыл бұрын
The saber was in service until 1994 which is an insane lifespan.
@marbleman52
@marbleman52 5 жыл бұрын
Who was your target audience...12 year old kids ? You will have a hard time getting your subscriber numbers up with presentations such as this one. Good luck.
@LFMC1
@LFMC1 4 жыл бұрын
F86 designed based off a german plane? I don' t know. What I know is that the USofA have A LOT of airplanes and many other things designed based off german stuff and they even had german engineers who designed those airplanes and other things in the first place!!!
@brentdallyn8459
@brentdallyn8459 5 жыл бұрын
There is only a single photo of the North American XP86 along with an artists rendering of the plane with its original straight wing configuration, interesting to see the jet fitted with the P-51's Laminar Flow wing design and tip tanks like the Shooting Star. They were going to lose the Xperimental Pursuit competition to Republic and a final desperate change to a swept wing inspired by the German data won the day.
@1dawgsfangodawgs844
@1dawgsfangodawgs844 5 жыл бұрын
In my humble opinion i think that the F-86 closer resembles the focke-wulf P.1101 in appearance more than it does the messerschmitt mentioned in the video, what do you think?
@jamesm.taylor6928
@jamesm.taylor6928 4 жыл бұрын
Actually sir, if you might remember, or not, was one of the most bitter complaints about the Messerschmidt Bf 109 was that in some of the hard maneuvering in the battle of Britain when trying to shoot down Spitfires and Hurricanes was that the leading edge slate would occasionally pop out when they were just about to.fire screwing up their aim and costing them the kill. As the 109 was based on the earlier design by Messerschmidt that looked much like a 109 with two side by side seats in the cockpit. But it still sported that distinctive wing and some other similarities so that it's easy to tell the two planes are closely related even though one was a cutting edge fighter where the other was a civilian plane with nowhere near the gobs of power the 109 had. Although I usually can recall the planes number for some reason my mind is not cooperating right this moment but I'm sure most know the aircraft I'm referring to. In fact it looks so similar to the 109 that I've spotted it in several movies being passed off as the actual fighter, which works fairly well if far away from many angeles. I do not know if the slats were a feature of that design though or new when the 109 was built. As most smaller slower civilian aircraft don't really need slats and if I were to.bet I would think Messerschmidt came up with Slats thinking slower landings might help overcome the high fatal accident rates on landings due to the very narrow undercarriage so I.kind of doubt it but then again the wing was the same on both so maybe it did at that. The point though is that leading edge slate of the type that were gravity and/or airflow operated on both the 262 and F86 did not first appear with the 262. They first appeared with the pre war design of the 109 at least if not the civilian messerschmidt. Now if anything before that introduced them I don't know but highly doubt it as it was cutting edge stuff at the time.I Not trying to.be argumentative but I thought you are the kind of person who strives to be as accurate and mistake free as you can...
@donfelipe7510
@donfelipe7510 5 жыл бұрын
I'm assuming we are conveniently neglecting the British research into trans-sonic flight which in the spirit of cooperation was provided to the Americans for little of value in return. For example, all moving tailplanes which first enabled the Bell X-1 to pass the sound barrier while maintaining control and then featured on later versions of the F-86.
@chucksdesk
@chucksdesk 4 жыл бұрын
Looks like the Russians took more of design cues for the MiG 15 from the Ta183 than we for the F86.
@blitz4six
@blitz4six 5 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the videos but there is so much more potential here. Please try to go over and show the entire aircraft. The series would be better without focusing so much on the presenter. If you did some more research into the development, design and service history of the aircraft it would be much more informative rather than a few random “facts” I’m sure an air museum could handle that. One last thing , the constant joking and clowning around doesn’t fit the audience and the topic, these are war planes....I get being super into them and excited about presenting them but hiding and doing slapstick humor is just annoying and distracting.
@generalripper7528
@generalripper7528 5 жыл бұрын
The kill ratios during that time were flawed on both sides. You are flying super fast jets and shooting at your enemy with machineguns, while your window of opportunity is often times just a split second. Read "The Hunters" to understand how kill ratios worked in the Korean Air War. The pilots were under pressure to report "kills" and often times even disputed kill claims were simply accepted as actual kills to make your squadron look good.
@shahzadnazir9303
@shahzadnazir9303 5 жыл бұрын
Pakistan Air Force also used these aircrafts against indians very successfully . A pilot named M.M. Alam shot down 5 Indian jets in less then a minute.
@mauriciocastro7505
@mauriciocastro7505 4 жыл бұрын
What about the canopy? the one shown in this video is opening upwards, while some f-86s whe sliding backwards.
@bobsmith6748
@bobsmith6748 4 жыл бұрын
“This is how innovation works” as you point to a feature that you say was “swiped” from the Germans. That may be Bill Gates’ definition and yours apparently.
@karlbrundage7472
@karlbrundage7472 5 жыл бұрын
TBH, the Bf-109 first introduced the self-deploying slat, which gave the pilots some trouble trying to line up on targets, as the slats often deployed independently, inducing yaw and throwing off the pilot's aim.........................
@codered5431
@codered5431 5 жыл бұрын
Love ur videos. I sure like to visit your Aircraft Museum
@AdityaSingh-nz2if
@AdityaSingh-nz2if Жыл бұрын
Please , next video on GNATs also known as “Sabre Slayers” used in 1971 war .
@misterjag
@misterjag 5 жыл бұрын
The actual kill ratio was closer to 6:1; and versus veteran Soviet pilots, probably closer to 2:1.
@SpypilotSR-71
@SpypilotSR-71 5 жыл бұрын
2nd Fighter Interceptor Squadron flew the F-86 H model? Nice! I thought they only flew the A and trash Saberdog D model.
@vondspatten
@vondspatten 4 жыл бұрын
Gabby was not shot down,he got a little too low strafing & that huge prop dug into terra firma,,,my Father served with the 56th Ftr Grp.
@ianstransporthistorystuff8175
@ianstransporthistorystuff8175 5 жыл бұрын
Great video and the F86s with the Taiwan air force were fitted with sidewinder missiles .
@陳湘-j8t
@陳湘-j8t 4 жыл бұрын
F86軍刀机配備六挺12.7mm机槍,至後期机型己採用20mm机砲,彈量較少,但此時思維以飛彈殲敵為主,F4幽靈式机竟未装配机砲,在越战時遭米格19,21机空鬥時被擊落多架,才急就章在机首下方安裝机砲箧艙應付才稍挽回敗勢,战机廠工程師亦有伝統实用派,並不一味跟風擁躉,F104以响尾蛇彈為主,火神机砲為輔,成為北約,中華民國空軍的高速主力战机,台海空战印巴衝突有佳績,F5系列是輕型机種,只配置20mm机砲+飛彈負責中程攔截敵机,75年北越攻滔西貢,一舉收編近50餘架F5A,F5E战机,只有15架逃出,至泰國或菲島,有負老虎与鬥士之名
@GewelReal
@GewelReal 4 жыл бұрын
Except, that's a Naval version aka the FJ-4
@ballandchain7056
@ballandchain7056 4 жыл бұрын
It's an F-86H
@eriktruchinskas3747
@eriktruchinskas3747 5 жыл бұрын
As much as I love the f86 I have to say the MiG was better...at least until the sabre got the radar assisted aiming and 20mm
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