F/A-18C Hornet vs F-16C Viper Rematch! Real Fighter Pilots Play DCS

[@CWLemoine]

Watch Gonky's side of things: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5nKhmOLrqqCqdk

[@AlbaAdventures]

Will do after!

[@Thunderer0872]

Hi CW so as of this weekend 20/21 May an F18 Crashed in Spain Pilot ejected last minute okay, also Ukraine to get F16's will you do anything on this soon?

[@djanitatiana]

CW, F16s are go for Ukraine and the call is out for veteran pilots and crew to lend a hand while the excellent Ukrainian pilots get up to speed. Going to get involved?

[@CWLemoine]

No.

[@Topper_Harley68]

@@CWLemoine How much easier is it to spot another aircraft in real life compared to the game?

[@roostman7841]

the fact we get to watch real fighter pilots run a game we can all play is brilliant!!!!

[@andreim841]

Not really, remember that they will not act like in a real scenario since they don't want to give away too much ;)

[@spiff1003]

@@andreim841 BVR, then maybe... In WVR/BFM, I don't think they are worried about revealing anything. However, this is just playful anyway.

[@koc988]

@@andreim841 They're both like a decade out of practice.

[@toxickilljoy9037]

​@Andrei M dude at this point they're just trying to remember that much... you try reading a handbook and practice for a while and see how much you retain after 6 years lol

[@manbaby__8901]

@@andreim841 your acting like we don't pretty much know everything there is to know about the planes and the maneuvers they can do im sure theres a few things they know and cant do but i cant imagine its much.

[@h.m.5924]

"What state is Creech in?!" "Nevada." "What town?!" ......"Creech". Had me fucking DYING.

[@alexatron6057]

me too 😂

[@Jwalker21NC]

Lmao def!! Also creech afb is better known as Indian Springs. That may be more familiar to you fighter pilots! Great video guys!! 😎

[@longiron3773]

How fast they both recognize a losing que, and how quickly they switch their game is amazing. Win or lose, we all learn something.

[@PluckyUnderdog]

That was very, very enjoyable. I like getting your perspective on the Viper, dude. It's encouraging to know that you think it's improving.

[@takeoffwithjakesoft]

I'll check out the debrief, but I think Gonky's biggest disadvantage was not having his own rig tuned to his liking. Factors that only matter in the sim were blocking his IRL skills from fully showing though.

[@squid11160]

Yeah, lack of muscle memory. Would love to see Gonky practiced

[@Mthammere2010]

Hornet, lost to Falcons in every setting, in every form in real life. It's only befitting the same transpires here.

[@leroyjenkins1911]

Also he apparently has no head tracking? Thats so essential for DCS

[@WasabiSniffer]

“Who’s up there?” “Cougar and Merlin, and Mover and Gonky.” “Great, Mover and Gonky.”

[@Vortex31415]

Awesome video, Mover. Really enjoy your DCS content. Hope you're able to spend more time in the Viper and show us how it's done. BZ to Gonky for flying and being a good sport. Class act in the Hornet.

[@liberalconservative7122]

Agreed. Some Navy Tomcat back seater is doing training videos for the DCS Tomcat. Talks about cornering speed etc. Not sure how much of that is open source in the Viper but it could make for some cool videos!

[@BobSmith-mu5kg]

Super fun. As cool as it would be for Gonky to square away his tech issues and have a legit fight with you, the issues are a source of great laughs. Thanks guys.

[@yacobz]

Yeah feel you on the tech issues part. Feels kind of unfair posting it to be honest.

[@osuna3525]

This was great!!! Lookin foward to Gonky learning the DCS universe, I want to see both you guys absolutely _TUNED UP_ and smashing wind!

[@woolymittens]

That was good fun! I really felt for Gonky, I know the feeling all too well when you are constantly over-controlling or lagging because the controls don't respond the way you expect.

[@anieezeusgaming5628]

Gonky & Mover! Best combo i've ever had

[@Hammy_on_twitch]

Glad you enjoyed the server man!

[@Marcin79W]

LOL - "This is exactly realistic, sitting here, waiting..." - made my day!

[@PeteVA-212]

Mover, first, loved the video and your interaction with Gonky. Watched the Gonky' video also. You guys entertain an old Naval Aviator. A-4s Forever!

[@Delatta1961]

Gonkey’s new name should be “Target”. If anyone wonders, in real debriefings, they can be brutal and very humbling. The number one rule in debriefings is be honest. When it’s your time to speak, confess every little thing that 1. Worked and had a positive effect on the mission, 2. Everything that didn’t work, every mistake (no matter how small) that you were responsible for, 3. Only then discusses the positives and negatives you observed of others. If you omit anything, it’s a guarantee someone will call you out. No egos, no ranks, just brutal honesty. Finally, everything is left in the debrief, never taken outside the room. It’s unprofessional to do so. It’s the only way we learn

[@thirdimpact172]

yeah i kind of had the opposite effect as you guys, i had around 200 vr sim hours before i flew my first real flight in a Cessna, at first i was staring at the gauges because that was all i knew how to do, but now i get way more information by just looking out the window and checking my slip and just feeling the plane, flying by the seat of your pants is very real

[@JBSmoke1]

Mover, Gonky - Great video! It was great to see you two having a good goof on DCS. I had a boss that knew I was a Private Pilot, and he told me that his MS sim experience makes him as good as me or better. My retort was that your pink body is strapped into a REAL airplane and there is no pause or rebooting - you just die if you screw up.

[@JGreen-le8xx]

Was your boss mentally challenged? Real world experience beats sim anyday.

[@JBSmoke1]

@@JGreen-le8xx He was a legend in his own mind

[@laurencedawson7754]

😂 sim is great practice when you can't get the real thing! Having said that, a good few years I went on my first trip to the nurburgring- I "drove" hundreds of laps on gran turismo 4 on the ps before going. I did a sub 10.min lap on my first lap......of course I already knew the car very well and was an experienced Track driver.....but you get great learning

[@KinjiLeslie]

Being able to enjoy this from both Gonky's stream and yours is truly a treat. Thank you so much!

[@Zer0C00lness]

Great video Mover. I watched Gonky's video as well. Very cool to present it from both sides.

[@Fox3-Luck]

Great Vid!

[@CWLemoine]

Thanks for helping us out!

[@airshowguy916]

Love the video. Thanks for sharing. :)

[@the88tench3]

That was a really good video! I guess there will be a round 3 at some point! As for the difference between flight sims and real flying you're definitely right, I went gliding for the first time last weekend (which was great fun, definitely trying it again) and the amount of feedback you can feel like hitting gusts of wind or feeling the aircraft climb doesn't even compare to sims with the real thing as you just don't get it when flying on a PC! Its a completely different experience for sure, and a real eye opener for someone who's only ever done flight simming and never been at the controls of a real aircraft until last weekend!

[@wyskass861]

That's true but comparing gliders and fighters are primarily reliant on physical feel. Flying an IFR airliner would probably be much less different.

[@fightingfalconfan]

I will always love watching Mover and Gonky. Their banter cracks me up laughing. I would also never ask them to break laws and reveal any kind of classified tactic they may still posses. I definitely don't want our enemy's to get that and use it against our current front line fighter pilots.

[@jsaludes1]

Watching you two play together is fun, it's just fun.

[@SammyTheDitchDoctor]

That was fun to watch. Thanks Mover and Gonky!!

[@aljazjeram1071]

You should collab with the growling sidewinder

[@theshawnmccown]

Most of us get what you're saying about feeling physical forces. Just driving my car through some curvy roads and knowing how my car feels physically going through those various turns makes me feel impaired when sim racing. It's almost like we're one with our vehicles when we use them in real life while in sims it's using whatever visually and virtual feedback we can to figure it out.

[@gregorymceaddy8884]

Good to see you guys have some fun..thanks for your service...

[@privateer454]

Thank you Mover for the "Where'd who go?" reference. After the first "Where'd he go?" I was waiting for it and you did not disappoint.

[@Garythefireman66]

Great to see both of you back on DCS 👍🏻

[@Terpenesteve]

Loved this video Lemoine! Currently, I have 482hrs behind a Viper in DCS, and I have loved them all! Loved the low power takeoff at the start, really explains the guzzling power of the Viper lol. I will never be a Pilot with my Spinal Condition, but DCS has allowed me to at least partially live my dreams in the sky. I love the community and all the people in DCS. Adding VR,and Face-tracker to my gear was one of the best choices ever. Again, Awesome video as always brother!!!! Viper vs. Hornet is an awesome match!..both are beautiful pieces of Art,and two of my favorite Jets 💟 p.s I have no idea why you weren't able to go above 12k feet? I'm more than able to get into the 35K+ range without a sweat...gotta be settings or something with your gear?

[@CWLemoine]

Glad you're able to enjoy DCS! We went above 12k. I mentioned I couldn't go over the top. It did it but it was very sluggish. I think it was a drag/possible controls issue. Seemed better in later sets.

[@TheitaniofRome]

Have you tried BMS? Of so how does the viper feel compared to dcs?

[@skippy1110]

Awesome stuff Mover and Gonky, loved to hear that you guys were having fun and not taking this stuff so seriously, DCS is a great game "Flight Sim" and should be about having a laugh and enjoying yourself.

[@victorm316]

Can't wait to watch this. C.W., Are you ready for the new F15 strike eagle. Should be here very shortly.

[@CWLemoine]

World's greatest passenger jet.

[@varzat6416]

@@CWLemoine A true viper pilot response

[@victorm316]

​@C.W. Lemoine lmao. Great response.

[@deanwilliams433]

Incredible air to ground plane. 15 JDAM's on a single trip is no joke.

[@Plexi417]

@@CWLemoine 😂

[@Juanon1978]

Thanks for the fun, Mover and Gonky. Much appreciated!

[@TheWeekendflyer]

you are both legends! thankyou for your service guys

[@thefruitbat111]

Ignore any haters, love watching you and Gonky having fun in DCS!

[@strikeeagleband]

Haha, you guys always crack me up. Fantastic work, chaps

[@Marcin79W]

An amazing episode. Great final thoughts. Thank you!

[@indianajon7980]

I love this for the banter alone! 😂 definitely more please although for me personally I would remove the external replies. That is just me though.

[@CWLemoine]

Why?

[@indianajon7980]

@@CWLemoine I felt that they didn't add much beyond what had already been seen and broke the flow a little. I suppose maybe highlights from an external point of view but I just felt like it was a fair bit of extra work for not alot of return. As for why more...... mainly the banter of you two clearly really enjoying yourselves.

[@CWLemoine]

@@indianajon7980 you’re in the minority. Sorry.

[@indianajon7980]

@@CWLemoine fine by me. I'm going to watch and enjoy regardless. Thanks

[@anthony7697]

"This thing decelerates so fast it's ridiculous" - Gonky reminding me of every time I swap back to playing the A-4 in Warthunder.

[@PaRadiZer]

Really enjoyed that! You guys are great entertainers. :)

[@ronneidert]

Great video Mover! I have zero time in a fighter jet, so I can only imagine how disconnected it must feel to ’fly’ in a chair. That said, it was a lot of fun to watch and laugh at your interactions over the radio!

[@stonelaughter]

I really appreciate your comments at the end about "feeling" the vehicle you're in. I've NEVER been any good at race car games simply because I can't FEEL the car around me... I'm a pretty good, pretty fast driver in an ACTUAL CAR... but on a computer game I'm worse than a rank beginner in their first jalopy. I also have some familiarity with flying... and you're absolutely right 100%.

[@MitjaBonca]

that's because u lack of practicing... keep on repeating for years, and you will get there.. being a racing driver is way different then just being a driver.

[@TaterRogers]

This was great! When I was at Nellis our Aggressors (Vipers) really kicked butt at red flag. It made everyone better in the end but that Viper is just built for dogfighting. All of our pilots had crazy neck muscles!

[@ardyzink7928]

If you haven't already told Gonky, Creech is a satellite base for Nellis that's usually jammed with UAV's as it's a training facility for them. Also a good checkpoint for a flight to Groom Lake from Nellis. At least that's what Major X the UFO driver told me. Good stuff. Would love to see you 2 in some WW1 bipes going after each other with pistols when your guns jam over the front.

[@donszabo7558]

Really good explanation of sim vs reality at the end Mover and look forward to the debrief

[@Corsair37]

The banter between you two was absolutely hilarious :)

[@a2b3c]

F/A-18 - still my favorite module by far in DCS (it can do everything literally, ground-attack, dogfight and intercept, carriermissions/landings) its so versatile, i don't regret a penny i invested in this...

[@eldridgefelder3427]

So glad to hear from a real pilot's perspective on the pylons and weapon drag issue. I've complained before that the drag from pylons is exaggerated in DCS, and now I have real pilots to back that up.

[@jamisonjamisonx]

I'm blown away by your humility. You all have zero to prove in a game. You've done this seriously high skill thing in real life at the highest level with the highest stakes and you have real call signs for being and doing the real thing. My hat is off to you sirs...gamers will only ever dream (poorly) of your actual experiences.

[@pierrecress5449]

I was at Indian Springs Auxiliary Airfield/Creech for 7 years. That little hill at the ind of the runway snatched more than 1 Pred out of the sky.

[@threenineline1]

Oh man this was awesome to watch! Great video mover. Hope you guys dogfight, not only against, but with eachother in future videos, that would be awesome!

[@ZeraStargazer]

Having driven through Indian Springs several times IRL. The level of detail for the base and the town is astounding!

[@OperatorGoofy]

Amazing content! Would love to see some more gameplay from DCS with Gonky!

[@bryanblake5358]

Personally, I loved it as you can tell Gonky was still learning. I bet he gets better and then it will be better. But , it was a good laugh and enjoyable to watch.

[@AlexKall]

This was an awesome video, thanks for this!

[@arynnd20]

Love watching you guys fly this stuff, realistic or not its entertaining and fascinating

[@nathanchristensen824]

This was fun! Thanks!

[@AndrewMcFarlane_1]

Absolutely love these videos!!!

[@mustezdcs6329]

😂😂😂😂 laughed so many times , your feed backs are amazing !

[@HypePerformanceGroup]

Love these so much, please never stop making DCS content!

[@Templar7832]

This is great! Superb video! Can't believe Gonky kept going straight up lol fatal in a Hornet!

[@CWLemoine]

Go up to blow up!

[@Templar7832]

@@CWLemoine Damn straight! When I was having hassle learning ACM and stuff an actual F-15E pilot (Crow) told me to go straight up! I lasted 20 seconds I think LOL Get em low and slow that's how you beat them!!

[@6XENO9]

Thanks Mover, I had great laugh watching you two goofing around :) I hope you've both had as much a great time as me watching. Could somebody get Gony a flying rig? It would be cool if he could use some more stick time without leaving home .... Also 1v1 against Wombat when :D IIRC he was even offered TM gear to get into simming. That'd be great too if he could join you guys in virtual sky. Best regards. P.S.You couldn't be court martialled from virtual navy (unless said navy flies Vipers) :D

[@alexcain9648]

This might be my favorite video, ever.

[@luisangelperez9469]

Absolutely loved it 😂😂❤❤❤ laughed my way through, big fan of these.

[@aries144]

I can relate this to live fire firearm training vs a good tactical first person shooter: They have things in common, but the replacement of "feel" with some sort of controller or visual/audio analog in the game requires you to develop new muscle memory just for the game. Once you get the "game muscle memory" to a similar level to what you had doing it for real, then you can play around and enjoy the more mental aspects of the game that are close to reality. i.e. angles are the same, movement times are similar, ballistics and difficulty of engagements at specific ranges are close, communication, coordination, and navigation are similar, etc.

[@hiratiomasterson4009]

Have played only a little DCS, but it is night and day when one plays with a VR helmet and another relies only on a monitor. Only advice is for people is to have a bucket handy when they first try the VR headset: in my case took a bit for my brain to rewire to be able to process the images from my eyes vs the non-events that my inner ear was feeling...and the carpet paid a brutal price...

[@kirkham-42]

Thanks Mover and Gonky. Fascinating

[@hawaiianrobot]

this was a fun video to watch. gonky was a good sport too, he'll get a feel for the f/a-18 in the game too. no doubt it's a bit different to how it felt, you know, actually flying the things in real life.

[@braedynhoward3644]

yeah no doubt. After all DCS is a video game, not real life. It's a representation of what some of the real aircraft is like.

[@hawaiianrobot]

@@braedynhoward3644 exactly. like the real guys use sims more for training procedures, not so much the aircraft movement side of things

[@braedynhoward3644]

@@hawaiianrobot True. My dad flew hornets and now he flies Skyhawks. SIMs are purely for training, taking off, landing, using instruments, navigating, etc. More complex things were practiced in the air, like BFM. DCS however, is a mixture between a SIM and a game. He likes DCS (despite not having a proper setup) and said seems semi realistic, but it's more for the fun of "feeling" like flying an aircraft like F 18, not actually doing it. Basically, it's a dumbed down flight SIM mixed with game mechanics. I think people get the misconception that DCS is literally exactly like real life, it's not really. Just a representation of what real life COULD be similar to. Plus, controls are different, which is why Gonky struggled.

[@captainicelander3898]

One of the best contents Mover! I couldnt stop laughing while watching this. Im sure i had same good time as you two just watching this! Have a good one, and cheers to Gonky! Keep rockin'! 🙂

[@stephenhoda3362]

Thanks for sharing!

[@TomP-148]

As always love the bromance

[@BirdstrikeJack]

many good points stated here. very responsible and mature views on the sim too. procedural learning, true, the real thing is way more sense triggering action and what most valuable dcs can get out is the real feel comparison to simulated from pros. i hope your remarks will reach developers and further improve certain aspects of sim. great job for stroking the fun part thus easing out in comfort zone that gives back opportunity to make mistakes and correct them on time unpunished. godspeed.

[@dawolfman1973]

I love you instinctively use your “hicks” when pulling 9s 😂

[@MC.4]

Gonky sounded like a drunk 24 year old girl looking for her friend. "Mover , where are you?"

[@nullego5181]

Hey Mover, its cool to get your perspective on things in DCS. Is there a reason you (and I believe Gonky as well) didn't use the HMD/JHMCS? It seems like there were cases where you were trying to get a lock on Gonky using vertical scan when slaving the radar to the HMD would have been quicker.

[@CWLemoine]

Never flew with it in real life. Don't need it.

[@nullego5181]

@@CWLemoine Gotcha, thanks for the reply.

[@bmw_m4255]

@@CWLemoine lol

[@Forscythe80]

DCS pilots aren’t being affected by the immense pressures of higher g-forces. Real fighter pilots have got that background knowledge that if they fuck up they don’t get a round 2. Movers right there’s just no comparison between actual jets vs computer jets.

[@wraith444]

I've been playing flight sims since I was in high school but didn't get any first real flight time until my mid 20s, and I had pretty much the opposite problem as Gonky; I had all this time and experience flying with zero physical feedback and the millisecond I felt a little turbulence for the first time it's like it all went out the window and I felt like a scared kid just holding on for the ride. Once I adapted I can comfortably say the time in the sim definitely helped me understand the what and how of the plane's behavior, but really at the end of the day it's no exaggeration to say that playing a sim and flying a plane are different skills that happen to have some overlap. It's like driving a car vs a go-cart, a little similar on the surface but really learning to drive one won't necessarily teach you to drive the other.

[@hudsondonnell444]

Creech is in Indian Springs, Nevada!?!

[@Alamandorious]

Yeah, it was easy to tell Gonky was having issues with the programmed behaviour of the jets, they weren’t responding like their real world equivalents. Would like to see you guys go again after he’s had more of a chance to get used to how the Hornet behaves in DCS, or after they improve it. That all being said, WOO! I knew you’d win, Mover!

[@AlbaAdventures]

HAHA.. Friday night entertainment. This whole thing is HILARIOUS!

[@VictorPanainte]

Amazing share big thanks

[@Darko7]

Awesome video!

[@ericshue2376]

You guys are professionals and awesome

[@Jasonmoofang]

Mover thank you for making these. Want to join the chorus letting you know how much these are liked and appreciated. Can't wait for all the follow up videos to this as well!

[@RoaringAnaconda]

Love the vids! Tuen down the "world" audio so the external sound isnt so piercing. Its set super high by default haha.

[@OmegaMinxComp]

Great video !!!

[@donszabo7558]

Well time on SIM is showing, even so good flying Mover. Can't wait for the rematch. I have to save some $ and get set up on DCS.

[@CWLemoine]

I’ve done the DCS F-16 once since Gonky and I did it last time. And it was a new setup for me too. 🤷‍♂️

[@Plexi417]

Somebody go get Gonky, I think he’s under that bus over there. 😂😂😂

[@jeffanderson6136]

Creech formerly Indian Springs. Where the four thunderbirds crashed in 82. Sad day at Nellis.

[@mavrikmavrik3032]

The draw (to watch) isn’t your prowess in the game but your banter. Keep having fun!

[@seph7450]

Happy to see more DCS content from you two! Seems like the Viper got a little bit of love. Will we get more ZR1 content?

[@nathanielvirgil328]

Well i was just a helicopter pilot (ah1 cobra I.P) love watching real fix wing guys go at it. Love DCS

[@thegunnylingus4751]

That bit in the end was so important... wish more dcs guys understood that.

[@justindoering6042]

Creech AFB is in Indian Springs, NV

[@jrod_pilot_miami]

I know what Gonky's problem was. He forgot to hit the brakes.

[@CWLemoine]

He tried, but I think it resulted in a departure from controlled flight. 😂

[@jrod_pilot_miami]

@@CWLemoine 🤣

[@jrod_pilot_miami]

This was great though. Thank you for the entertainment. Hope all is well.

[@Rich6270]

Thanks for notification Mover,going to Gonky,s channel lol❤

[@icaleinns6233]

Man, I figured Gonky had been practicing in secret before this rematch! Oh well, maybe next time!

[@cnknguyen]

Your breathing sounded like yall were starting to react to the virtual G's yall were pulling. That was a cool vid.

[@CWLemoine]

More like we both have old man necks. 😂

[@cnknguyen]

@@CWLemoine I wear a flight helmet every single day, sometimes with anvs-6s...i feel that struggle.

[@threepercenter5297]

I think you and Gonky should start a comedy routine around dog fighting videos, Gonky will be the funny man and Mover will be the straight man.

[@Plexi417]

This would be brilliant, I’d subscribe. They both crack me up.

[@threepercenter5297]

@everyinchofgod the whole time Gonky was trying to get the flaps and gear up, I kept hearing Benny Hill playing in my head

[@Plexi417]

@@threepercenter5297 🤣🤣🤣