F1's Conspiracy Against Senna - Past Gas #40

[@mrmathh3680]

Im brazilian and im loving these videos, thank you guys so much for doing a podcast on one of our only heroes...

[@leogaspar007]

For real

[@jamesbondo5895]

Wowowo ronaldinho will always be the goat in my eyes and im half italian half argentinean

[@xprettylightsx]

How’s Brazil ? Easy living?

[@mrmathh3680]

@@xprettylightsx nope lol

[@leogaspar007]

@@xprettylightsx I wish...

[@derrickstorm6976]

Intros getting classier by every episode

[@ohnous4570]

Here in Brazil we called him "The Rain Wizard". Absolute legend.

[@GTChucker86]

Its actually Alain Prost that brought Senna to Mclaren, he said it himself in an interview that he recommended Senna for the benefit of the team. keep in mind he didnt know about Senna that much at that time. Edit: I might add that you guys sort of mixed up the details of Senna and Prost’s agreement in Imola since it was Prost that led through the first turn and Senna agreed to stand down only to break that promise later after the restart since Senna said: the agreement only counted in the race start NOT the restart

[@bonfimtm]

Senna’s first win in Brazil was physically demanding because he had to hold the gear lever in place.

[@tbg008]

Stuck in 6th gear, what makes slowing down and turning in into slower corners extremely hard and heavy on the arms and sholders.

[@Thunderbolt857]

The MP4/4 was designed by Gordon Murray! same guy that designed the Mclaren f1 years later

[@AbrahamArthemius]

Nichols was the chief designer of MP4/4, while Murray, McLaren's technical director at the time, acted as a liaison between the drawing office and actual production. So technically, Nichols is the actual designer of MP4/4

[@VodkaHellstorm]

I'm pretty sure both men are still arguing today over who really designed that car and who should get credit

[@kubhak]

@@VodkaHellstorm it was not Murray car by any chance

[@anthonyolivero8920]

Oh man i love sleeping in.. Smoking a fat bowl and listening to you ladz on a sunday

[@420gmr4lyfe]

All you need is some leftover pizza and you have a perfect morning!😎😎

[@davejean8037]

I don't smoke anymore but I still vibe with this comment

[@owenowen5681]

You should do a past gas episode on jim clark the legendary f1 driver

[@shimeih2287]

Yes yes yes. My all time favourite

[@MichaelRoma91]

Shimeih same here

[@aprilkurtz1589]

Yes. He was the goat, IMO.

[@sennasenna6023]

yes!!

[@MGHines0517]

56:25 Senna stated the car did not want to stay in sixth gear, so he was physically holding the shifter in place, driving with his other hand, and as James stated revving the engine/breaking to maintain his place.

[@shimeih2287]

Finally.... It's been a long week.

[@winterspeed6796]

29:31 when James said that, I immediately remembered the time Porsche begged the FIA to change the rules in the GT class bexause the Bmw M3 GTR wiped them out.

[@321-Gone]

Senna liked to play with fire. He got away with that move several times thinking Prost would once again back down. Prost basically had enough and showed Senna he wasn't going to do it any more. This goes back to the beginning of racing. It was just racing. But almost 2 and a half decades later the FIA created rules that would have penalized Senna driving style and Prost in this specific crash. FIA regs 27.5, 27.6, and 27.8 addressed this issue. Walter Röhrl story would be a cool. 1988 SCCA Trans Am Niagara Falls Grand Prix

[@Jezter1305]

Enjoying the pics and videos added in. Helps to see what you are talking about while watching the podcast on youtube. Thank you.

[@AV-qn6qy]

Love this podcast! I listen to it all the time!

[@icepop77]

It's interesting to hear this perspective. Growing up, I was a fan of Alain Prost. I remember hating Senna and his tactics on the circuit. Senna's talent was unmistakable, even if he was the enemy of my F1 hero.

[@modergav]

Senna's Fan here (obviously because BRAZIL) But i honestly think that the way Senna won the 90 wdc was a Dirty move AF and should never been done. Great driver should never crash in others cars at speed just for secure a title.

[@derrickallen2054]

@@modergav I totally agree, yet I am a Senna fan as well my friend. Senna really was the best driver.

[@bladefoxon520]

Hey guys love everything that you have been outting out 🤙 would love to see an up to speed on ford Australia and the ford falcon/ barra motor so much cool stuff and history with those cars, also a past gas on the v8 super cars series in Australia &/or the Holden ford rivalry in both racing and on the road in Australia,

[@xprettylightsx]

Going out on a limb ... your an Australian citizen?

[@thomasredden4263]

8:45 joe looks like someone sent him a picture of his girlfriend working in a strip club and he just opened it

[@daniyaljamal773]

I found the bag pack discussion to be the highlight of the show 👍🏽👍🏽

[@samcoote9653]

Damn I gotta go to bed because its 2am here in Australia and I have work in like 4 hours, but if any of the Donut guys are in the channel, James, Zack, Nolan, Joe, Aaron, Man I love all the shows, especially the podcasts and Money Pit. Gonna watch this tomorrow, cheers dudes!

[@samcoote9653]

@Joe Weber omg its Joe!! FIRE IT UP!! Hell yeah man thanks for replying!! Works been pretty good haha thanks hope you guys are having a good night!

[@RafitoOoO]

I started listening to this podcast yesterday, glad the 3rd chapter is out today! Senna is a beast, he is my childhood hero, people here in Brazil even say how ironic it is that in the football (soccer for my murican friends) country our greatest sporting idol is a race driver.

[@nickguilbert4259]

I really enjoyed this episode, as I always do all Donut podcasts. Great to hear you guys and your interpretation of events. It brought back a lot of fond memories for me as a kid. One of my earliest childhood memories was going downstairs at 7 or 8 years old at 5 in the morning (I’m in the UK) to watch the Suzuka grand prix in 1990. It was classic duvet on the sofa stuff, and I can remember being so excited. My whole family got up. We were Senna fans, but he totally took Prost off that day. It was like a Mike Tyson fight, the whole thing was over in about ten seconds. My old man took me to the British Grand Prix in ’90, ’91 and ’92. I was a huge Mansell fan as a kid. (You guys keep pronouncing his name incorrectly!). How lucky was I to see Senna race! I’ve not listened to next week yet; I hope you mention Mansell vs. Senna at Monaco in ’92. Phenomenal! Senna didn't have the car in '92; the Williams was way faster. I’m saving listening the last episode until next week when I take my boy for a walk in his buggy and I’m looking forward to it. That’s going to emotional. Keep it up, I love it!

[@c.varela]

53:00. That's the reason why Nelson Piquet "Sr." says Senna was not a loyal competitor. And I don't think Piquet is wrong. Senna crashed to win the championship, period.

[@seny4115]

So did prost, and to say they weren't loyal competitors is false. Senna cared for the other drivers safety. He risked his own life to save another driver and got emotional when another driver died or crashed.

[@TIBORANGE]

Am i old when I say I can remember seeing all the races live in TV...when they were send live!!!

[@tomasruival9804]

Amazing Podcast! But go easy on Prost, the guy does not deserve such harsh treatment.... Senna had Honda with behind the scenes politics... There were scheming, and politics going on on both sides of the garage, that´s what made it so amazing!

[@torgejh9189]

Yeah they really did shit all over Prost, really biased and undeserved if you ask me but hey it's their podcast not mine, they can talk all smack they want

[@RukaGoldheart]

@@torgejh9189 they shit all over him because all they know of him came from the Senna "documentary"

[@renestgo]

With the new editing and adding photos this podcast is getting better and better!!!

[@Mikezowski]

I’ve been waiting for this!!! F1’s hidden corruption.

[@PatilHarshavardhan-u5p]

These intros are getting to next level with every new episode

[@lucillewest3489]

Thanks for putting visuals in with the podcast KZbin videos. I hope to see this more often. It makes it even more enjoyable. Plus there is only so many times I can watch Joe look befuddled while James and Nolan talk.

[@lotfy309]

I love these podcasts you guys are great

[@jacksmith4460]

The Documentary was harsh to Prost, Senna and Prost actually had great respect and were really friends towards the end. Dont take that doc to really get Prost. He was not as portrayed in the doc, I feel he was kind of slandered a bit in that doc. At the time Prost was quite likeable, he was always a good dude for interviews. Its not the same as Senna, imo Senna is THE goat, he is my motorsport hero, and had mad charisma, I watched the race he died in (he died a day before my birthday) I adored Senna, If anyone would be willing to hate on Prost ...it's me...but Prost was a decent guy as far as I could tell

[@azhurelpigeon]

Imagine unironically thinking The Beatles are bad while listening to music directly influenced & inspired by them

[@suzuki90sidekick]

Just got done listening to the show on spotify, dont know how to leave a review there. Just wanted to say keep up the great work y’all do, have enjoyed every video and podcast. I hope y’all will do a show on Dale Earnhardt someday.

[@Racemax-dw4qh]

It’s that awkward moment where you buy something so expensive and the next day it comes in a sale for so cheap

[@sennasenna6023]

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[@chrisgonz19]

I love that Nolan is doing the Meshuggah guy face in the thumbnail lol

[@darrianweathington1923]

took 40 episodes but Past gas is finally about farts

[@ludwickolivier6274]

Hearing the FIA consistency comment rings very true after the 2021 Abu Dabhi finale

[@flubbernugget888888]

Do y’all think you will do a series on dale Earnhardt Sr? Always heard so much about him as a kid but never really knew the history behind it.

[@yoyoet1]

Check Emplemon's video on it, it's worth the watch

[@phantom213]

Love this episode, folks:33 Thanks.

[@AXLCOKE13]

you guys left out that Senna spent a boat load of money in beneficial activities and structures back in his beloved Brasil.Very important detail about him

[@mattk9438]

Nice shirt Joe!

[@StudiousAsp7200]

Love you guys. Thank you❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@Drummavore]

thanks for the great content, boys. always look forward to the podcasts.

[@_mundi]

Pls do more podcasts about F1 after this!!

[@papajetta]

I love listening to you guys... But this episode is a bit suspect. I get it you guys love Senna, but just like the documentary , you guys are focusing on one side of the story and not being fair to the other party, Prost, which is arguably considered by many including Bernie Ecclestone when recently asked, as the best driver of all time ... Senna was great , but Prost was much more the consistent sure bet vs Senna which you had to worry more about throwing away a race in the middle of lapping a guy, or just flat out driving the car to the ground instead of nursing it home... You guys didn't mention that Senna won the 88 title only because the 11 best results counted towards the championship, but Prost scored more points throughout the year... The suzuka 89 crash, Senna's wheel never made it past Prost's helmet at the moment of impact, meaning if Senna was going straight and Prost turning in, how far was Senna back from Prost when Prost started to turn in? ... 90 Suzuka, what sense does it make sense for you to get Pole position and then request for the line to be switched from the side that it's been every year? Wouldn't it make to request that before you qualify? What if Prost purposely didn't get Pole to start on the clean side of the track, would it make sense to switch it then?....

[@OdamaKamayuka]

Thank you for this post, was about to (painfully try to) say the same.^^

[@tarunkumawat6349]

You guys should definitely try their podcasts on Spotify

[@ivanbonadeo2557]

If senna didn't die racing i am 100% sure his story would not be as big as it is right now.

[@rodymonster]

I mean, the most pole positions in F1 history up to that time and other then the fact he would lap up to 2 place drivers in rain races and that he’s consider the best of all time by most F1 champions, and the fact that all top F1 drivers copy or try to copy hi’s driving style... but yeah Just like Kennedy’s death as president, Or Jesus for dying on a cross for men-kind, Their history would a blur. I mean what if Jesus died as an old man? But no dumb ass he died as a champion on top of his game. Like a samurai in battle. He’s a legend. So shut the fuck up and be respectful.

[@joshboykett6798]

I love the podcast guys! You should do a podcast on Peter brock. The group a vk commodore is the second best marlboro livery ever. Day glo orange with massive fender flairs

[@ashwinbalaji6481]

would love to see a past gas episode on rosberg and hamilton

[@luisbarros5464]

Actually Prost was the one to push for the hiring of Senna. Don't base yourselves to much on the doc, it's kinda of one sided and impartial to Senna

[@shivalingarajklingaiah705]

yes, even prost complained about the doc, and many say he tried to block senna's move to mclaren but he was the one who pushed for it

[@robertnelson2446]

Ghost of tsushima fuckin slaps Nolan! Play that shit

[@aprilkurtz1589]

Senna was cold and calculating too, and didn't mind punting people off the track, on purpose. Senna had his detractors...Murray Walker, for one.

[@justinnube1058]

I remember watching it happen on live tv.. I’m tearing up now just thinking about it, I’m going to be balling my eyes out next episode 😭❤️

[@kingdongo4388]

4:10 what you hear when you kill a villager in Minecraft..

[@ashtonnelson2624]

4 mins of content and then a midroll, 4 mins of content and then a midroll, 4 mins of content and then a midroll, 4 mins of content SPREAD IT TF OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@thumpyloudfoot864]

28:59 Gary Bettman (Commissioner of the NHL) should listen to this and take notes...

[@a.s.gaming280]

Good stuff guys, keep up the great work!

[@irfandupovac8628]

Kinda knew the guys would be biased against Prost but wow

[@garinakbar1907]

You can see how much Ron Dennis adored Ayrton Senna, like he would allowed if Ayrton would be forever staying at McLaren, infact almost after the season end Ron always asked Ayrton will he staying with the team

[@Racemax-dw4qh]

Guys you should make a d list about about the words most smallest cars or world’s most cheapest cars 1st hand

[@harrisonrawlinson5650]

I don’t know about everywhere else, but in the UK, a cowboy is an insult for somebody who’s lazy, reckless and cuts corners. Usually applied to contractors

[@RafitoOoO]

You guys could do one about the rivalry of James Hunt and Niki Lauda as well. Also it would be really awesome to have an up to speed on Senna.

[@jdmr3419]

I watch one episode 15 times and I wish it could be everyday

[@vexos1327]

holy crap i can't believe he walked all the way home while in his race gear i imagine how i animated it

[@Racemax-dw4qh]

I would love to walk home in a race gear

[@stevenroman1571]

Thank you for content to watch.

[@sosojoe3551]

Please do a full video on the awesomely creative Akira Nakai Rwb (RAUH-Welt Begriff) also for a good cause you host track events (after this pandemic). I’d be down to track my 996turbo

[@abalakrishnan4152]

3:42 I heard "Fart up" instead of "Fire d'up"

[@zubayermiajee6808]

Senna couldn't compete because Williams car was just miles ahead of all other f1 cars that season. Also, Benetton was a t-shirt company before they got into F1. They did so to advertise the brand. Apparently they were a major brand in the 80's. Love the show, keep up the good work fellas.

[@billeib427]

Been to Japan. Went to an antique store. Things being a 1000 years old was not strange.

[@fredericohakamine372]

Great shout out to Driver 61 :)

[@afradhahamed5181]

Some things are unaccurate, the documentary is great, but it really painted Prost as some kind of villain and Senna as some kind of hero. Thats not the case, try to do little bit more indepth research please.

[@TheBrianFlanagan]

I think the word that you’re looking for is “inaccurate”. I can barely handle the irony here.

[@bjaarki]

The reason senna was so fatigued was not only braking force on the pedal is insane, but youre wrangling a 1000hp turbo monster around a track at near 200mph speed with z e r o power steering lol. As well as the 6th gear thing its seriously straining

[@victorsaucedo423]

What happened to yesterdays vid a was looking forward to the vs.

[@shimeih2287]

Seems like they cancelled it. It's been two weeks now 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@juttybird]

Where did you find the overhead angle of the Senna/Prost 89 crash?

[@laneluhrsen6075]

I fell asleep when I started watching the video and I came back to them talking about sandwiches and backpacks like wtf is going on!?!?!?

[@Donut]

that was a short nap then

[@rev.aux-weg9730]

this time past gas was about passing gas! who would have guessed?!

[@ethanelliott9393]

Love donut so much I dont even mind the ads lol

[@zaksrdanovich9649]

Haha imagine not having KZbin red

[@709mash]

Driver61 is awesome! Chain Bear is really good as well for the analysis of racing

[@sinoc4l195]

Hey Donut what happened to VERSUS

[@toddjudd8657]

I think enough people said they don't like so they got rid of it

[@toddjudd8657]

I wasn't a fan of it

[@derrickstorm6976]

It was almost a joke

[@tallonmetroids271]

Calvin and Hobbes was fantastic.

[@takuminightcore1886]

You guys need to do like an NPR broadcast

[@ryantavares8759]

Link to buy james hat?

[@gabrielgouveiaperrucci4502]

1 hour of podcast = 15 minutes of advertising + 30 minutes of parallel conversation. the first podcasts were better, more content and less mess

[@kIoudie]

I seriously watch it for the messy parts, but I love that imperfect shit.

[@Xsjano]

Go pick up a book then , raw data just for you

[@clockworktoastboy]

Baffled that the manscape shaver isn't called the brawnmower - but that has next to nothing to do with the 'cast

[@e-sauce-32]

Anybody have the link to the driver61 crash analysis video?

[@martinezclau]

I'm brazilian and I started watching F1 when Emerson Fittipaldi was trying to make Coopersucar work, before going to Indy. And Senna was not about passion. Nelson Piquet Sr. was, not him. Just watch Piquet talk about Ayrton. It was the most amazing surprise when he payed Prost back for the ungentlemanly manouvre the year before. And we all yelled our lungs off, much more than it would be like if it was a victory.

[@supersaiyanswag]

DK Donuts is legendary

[@sergiogiacomosammartano7623]

During the '91 Brazilian GP, actually Senna basically injured his right arm trying hopelessly to make that broken gearshift work. That's one of the reasons why he couldn't lift up the trophy on the podium. He was physically and emotionally exhausted, too.

[@sergiogiacomosammartano7623]

PS: F1 cars were not allowed to use power steering back then.

[@Molag_Ballin]

anyone know the name of that intro music?

[@biggiecheese8618]

Love the podcast

[@MichaelRoma91]

I think Prost gets a worse rap than he deserves, thanks to the senna documentary

[@RukaGoldheart]

Absolutely

[@OdamaKamayuka]

I love what you guys do but to be honest that episode was painful to listen to... You're basically rehearsing Senna's documentary (with its obvious bias in favor of Senna ) and amplifying this bias. Your passion for what you're talking about is ofc a big part of this show, but if this passion is biased because of a lake of research on your part, only taking one side of the story, it's problematic. I hope you'll be more careful in the future. Love you, stay fired up!

[@elijahlupe]

I'm late here but this comment is The comment. It's obvious they mostly based this vid on that doc, and so many people in and around the paddock at the time have gone to say the Senna movie really portrays Prost in a worse light than what was the reality. Almost as the villain, even tho he was and is a cool dude by all accounts.

[@j.pdiazlabrador8414]

Prost actually wanted Senna to go to McLaren...

[@corrinabean8955]

Pause at any point during manscaped add for a prizewinning facial expression

[@danmoriarty6980]

Joe looks tired lol

[@aaron30569]

Best part of the week!!

[@jacklougheed4561]

Part of the reason that it was so tiring to run with the broken gearbox was that he had to hold the car in gear. Apperently he had cut his hand through his gloves because of the effort. But please fact-check to make sure that this is true

[@MrJoromekiq1]

The best looking F1 car, in my opinion, is the 1990 Ferrari

[@AbrahamArthemius]

I know this is a podcast on Senna but still, tone down the bias dude.. It can get really annoying. ---- As far as Senna v Prost rivalries go, this is what happens when you're having two "number one" drivers in your team, it's great in terms of race results but it's not so great inside the paddock, there's always gonna be tension between those drivers and the mood in pit probably not that good for the crew too. Look at how Hamilton & Rosberg rivalry for Mercedes in 2016. Unlike Senna & Prost who kept being friends after their rivalry in McLaren, the two Merc drivers turned into bitter rivals even till this day. ---- If we're talking the best F1 rivalries then i will say Schumacher v Hakkinen is the best rivalries F1 has ever seen. They're both drivers in their prime from two different manufacturers with pretty equal cars in terms of performance and they still respect each other. ---- Up until Schumacher introduced fitness to F1 paddocks, F1 drivers back then aren't exactly like your current really fit F1 drivers. Which is probably one the reasons for Senna completely drained out after the Brazilian GP.

[@jacobrzeszewski6527]

FIA: Ferrari de Improvement Asociación

[@divecolosio4988]

Guys should do Ferrari International Assistance One day!