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[@billiam]

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[@johnmillay6790]

@@mrmysterious8124 ooo that's a good idea for a vid

[@jamesshadeslayer3395]

y do u ignore my question? i was part of ur discord server 4 a while on my main account b4 it got hacked & locked behind 2fa & i just want back in on my alt

[@marocat4749]

I think flashganms could b fine, if the data selling, whre facbook is esopcially scammy, yeah.I am met meta is doing badly :P WTF they sold irremovable malware games :( An then ruined occulus. That now, runs only with meta an only meta. Vrchat is where it, and the furries are, who run the internet. Ther is even an earthbending workout game. rumble. Hmm if they dont try to be greedy, i wish fortnite good luck becoming social media.

[@MouhumadOmar]

Will learning and Junk ever come back?

[@ExplodingDuckBrigade]

Skipped

[@rockdalianninja1056]

Horrendous fact: Facebook tried to change their name to meta but a small company around Chicago was already using the name so Facebook offered them money, they said no, so Facebook decided to take the name then preceded to sue the company.

[@LegendStormcrow]

How very King of them... Maybe that's where the makers of candy crush got it?

[@eggutastegood7356]

jesus christ

[@otaking3582]

That's not fun, that's stupid and makes me lose faith in humanity

[@rockdalianninja1056]

@@otaking3582 touché, I’ll edit

[@Qwerty-zj3rk]

Typically Facebook.

[@SirLightsOut99]

Mark Zuckerberg really did see that one Black mirror episode where you're punished for looking away from ads and then sympathized with the villains.

[@hicknopunk]

🤣🤣 so true

[@TwoBs]

Fifteen Million Merits? Or am I confusing another episode lol

[@sexygirlmax2019]

@@TwoBs yes

[@DefNotMyBurner]

@@TwoBs isn’t that the first episode lol

[@tmathis9882]

@@DefNotMyBurner No the first episode is the pig, I think it was 3rd or 4th

[@tsb4]

My mom was addicted to Farmville for so long but then one day I decided to set her up with Stardew Valley and she never looked back

[@olemgar6530]

Now that's a fricking W

[@LegendStormcrow]

Good job bro. That's why I got my wife Harvest Moon

[@krux02]

@@LegendStormcrow Yea sad story about Harvest Moon and who owns that brand etc. Long story short, Harvest Moon is by now just a shadow of a game that is nowadays much better implemented as Stardew Valley.

[@CrabJock]

Yes. This is the way to do it.

[@LegendStormcrow]

@@krux02 I heard. A subtitle split as a separate company.

[@berry2813]

"You look like a guy who throws up" is an amazing insult that really took me off-guard

[@suendenhund]

And the deafening silence after Billiam said he did because of anxiety. Killed me

[@carbonated_salt9645]

Me irl I literally have prescription nausea pills 💀💀💀

[@whatever9097]

Oh my goddddd the work environment of zynga is actually terrifying…it crossed the line from “some cool perks” to “holy shit I think this is the plot of a black mirror episode”

[@oswaldfigglebottom]

You don't like the clowns?

[@obeseperson]

@@oswaldfigglebottom dude imagine throwing hands with the clowns at your workplace id say fuck this job and start a brawl

[@alphakakcmeddlakadoofahkii3362]

Not everything is a Black Mirror episode 🙄 this is just a cult 😌

[@gothicanimeangel96]

@@alphakakcmeddlakadoofahkii3362 not everything is a cult, this is just horrible corporate culture

[@favoritemustard3542]

@@alphakakcmeddlakadoofahkii3362 cult-ure... Zingult... some want that I guess

[@Liz_ArdE]

Hearing those kids playing was simulataneously the most hilarious thing I've ever experienced and absolutely horrifying when I considered all the data being mined from kids who haven't gone through puberty yet In both cases, RIP Reily.

[@Bionickpunk]

Its mostly horrifying seeing how easily kids get manipulated with digital media, which demonstrably effects their development.

[@shadycatz85]

the little kid calling billiam 'sir' and trying to guide him is so funny 😂

[@cdogthehedgehog6923]

Timestamp?

[@VultureSkins]

@@cdogthehedgehog6923four months late, but it’s a bit after 37:39

[@vincentjoisce7488]

@@cdogthehedgehog6923 38:01

[@larrymantic2635]

@@cdogthehedgehog6923 37:43 I think? Or 38:00

[@miragibis2860]

@@cdogthehedgehog6923 38:00

[@gregorycarlson6445]

Just hearing the phrase, "Facebook losing money" gives me the warm fuzzies.

[@ddjsoyenby]

that makes me happy :)

[@eveandaedrul]

The world is healing :)

[@honeycomblord9384]

The world is just. :)

[@ulischmidt03]

@nigganig159 😊😊😊😊😊

[@arthas640]

depressing part is they've become so dominant and made so much money that they're basically too big to fail though. Reminds me of that Citizen Kane quote: "You're right, I did lose a million dollars last year. I expect to lose a million dollars this year. I expect to lose a million dollars *next* year. You know, Mr. Thatcher, at the rate of a million dollars a year, I'll have to close this place in... 60 years."

[@stylinsebastian7427]

"You're probably 5 and you're probably named Riley" Made me laugh more than it should have. 🤣

[@Ghost-lt4sf]

Gen Alpha is wild, i'm tellin ya

[@Sasha0317]

Dude that had me dying lmao, best laugh i've had in a while 😂

[@Sammyyaam]

why are kid roasts so funny

[@Sammyyaam]

@@Ghost-lt4sf roastin right out of the womb

[@ameliabrittain158]

He’s right tho, Riley is SUCH a gen alpha name I swear, gen alpha names sound like witches spells or straight up dog names

[@vylbird8014]

I have a theory about Meta's awful avatars: I think it's intentional, to head off the possibility of becoming too 'internet.' It's supposed to be bland, like elevator music: Not exciting, but also incapable of upsetting anyone. Meta wants to attract people who are not immersed in online culture, and business users as well. You're not going to attract businesses to your platform if it's full of furries, waifus and lolis. So Meta goes with the mr-potato-head approach to avatar creation and greatly limits scripting. So that their metaverse may be a respectable location, where future businesses may one day hold major corporate events without fear of being swarmed by flying penises or raided by trolls wearing KKK costumes.

[@weelzneal4768]

Yeah nobody needs to see furries

[@DaimyoD0]

If you haven't already, I hugely recommend you watch 'Making Sense of VRChat, the "Metaverse" People Actually Like,' by People Make Games. It's basically a video essay discussing this, along with how VRChat's unbridled approach toward individual liberty has culminated in unmoderated insanity and unadulterated personal expression, for better or for worse. Probably mostly better. Hard to say lol

[@icp7201]

@@DaimyoD0 For now, I think. It's the same as the internet was, forums were mostly unmoderated in the beggining, while the internet was new and adoption was low, and it was fine. As soon as mass adoption began, unmoderated forums and sites became breeding grounds for hate groups and pedophiles, whose general bigotry and hostility ended up driving the majority of users away. For now, we're in the beggining of VR spaces and environments. If mass adoption comes, places like VR Chat will probably veer towards more moderation. Hell, even sites like 4chan have moderation nowadays

[@Tink00]

Omg it's the virtual avatar version of business casual

[@j-skullz]

Yeah but they could at least make them look nice, like just make them like sims characters or something. hell the xbox 360 avatars looked better than this and they're from like 15 years ago

[@FranNyan]

I actually made a second facebook account just for games and would pile in all the update threads for the games and add my voice to the ADD ME DAILY PLAYER spam. I think that account got added by 300+ randos *just* for the games. Which also meant I now had access to all these people's personal data as they would be posting like normal about their kids and whatever where as my account was a fake name with an old school anime avatar and no information whatsoever, just game spam. It was kinda eye opening and weirded me out so bad to see just how easily people would let strangers see their kids baby photos just to get some farmville help....

[@LegendStormcrow]

Now they want proof of who you are, and it's annoying.

[@LBVED]

I did the same but put the first picture of a guy I found on google and these people whould slide in to my DMs on my fake account thinking theyre talking to a hot 20 something guy not a teenage girl trying to get stuff for my games, also my mom was super into farmville to the point ( i grew up in a not so nice home) that she would ground me and my sisters if we didnt send her farmville help and give her our passwords to our personal facebooks and she had im not joking about 10 extra fake accounts and she's still playing farmville and candy crush to this day bruh

[@rileywilloughby7818]

As someone named Riley, I did not expect to be bullied for my name by children in the Metaverse

[@twistedyogert]

Can you punch other people in the Metaverse?

[@rileymeathammer]

Me too, Riley

[@girrrrrrr2]

Hahaha hahaha... Your name is Riley!

[@BasicGeometry]

Why is the MetaKids teaching Billiam how to play virtual Thor is actual so wholesome?? Until one of them dropped an f bomb.

[@umbrellathorn]

that was so cute :) calling him “sir” and gently explaining what to do next haha. kids are so funny sometimes

[@WhereAllYourDeletedCommentsGo]

Kids like them are cool.

[@digimaniacstudios5959]

I would actually watch a whole video of that, it wad so much fun watching Billiam interact with them.

[@TheOneTrueNeravarOfOoo]

The f bomb is was funny. 😂 I love the kids that are just talking so much shit. The next generation of player haters is gonna be revolutionary to the game

[@obeseperson]

@@TheOneTrueNeravarOfOoo No

[@amnoirgg8563]

Those Metakids are next level funny. Anytime a YT person ventures into the abyss there is always one that never ceases to bring the entertainment.

[@SabreBash]

I work in mobile games, and the gossip you get to hear is the most fascinating part. I have coworkers who helped create wing commander, warcraft devs, king's isle dropouts, but a LOT of people came to my company from Zinga. The general scuttlebutt is that the pay can (sometimes) be competitive but the culture is BRUTAL. Quite a few people will groan openly when you bring them up.

[@HurricaneDDragon]

It’s funny how impossible it is to feel even a little sympathy for any person or corporation that loses double digit BILLIONS of dollars. Like… no one should have that much money in the first place, and literally the only way to amass it is by having no sympathy for humanity.

[@NoahDaArk]

Honestly I’d rather be a millionaire then a billionaire. You give me a million dollars I know exactly what I’d do with it, but a billion? That’s too much cash man

[@imperfect1797]

When I was like.. 7-9, before my grandmother passed, she and my mother would play Farmville everyday and always call and text about the farms and getting extra things. Even though the didn't live together I thought it was really sweet the found something to connect them.

[@kommonkurtizy3634]

Everything has a silver lining I’m glad you found it

[@imperfect1797]

@@kommonkurtizy3634 Thank you, that means a lot.

[@scoobydoo23320]

If Mark Zuckerberg had a way to transmit ad right into our brains he would do it without a first thought.

[@johnmillay6790]

Ha, you think he isn't already trying.

[@lilwerner1518]

most capitalists would tbh

[@marocat4749]

Dont tellhim futurama predicted that as nightmare :(

[@karenamyx2205]

You mean without a second thought? The first thought is the thought to do the thing. Without the first thought, you're not doing anything.

[@ddjsoyenby]

ya know the reapers from the mass effect games...........mark is a less human and more evil version of them.

[@nhilz]

the silence after you told those kids you throw up all the time bc of anxiety was fucking BRUTAL

[@jasperjazzie]

"who would get so obsessed over a virtual farm?" i say, having over 300 hours in stardew valley, lmao

[@ameliabrittain158]

I have over 1,000, it’s a problem

[@MelodyRose96]

At the least the only time where you take our your credit card for Stardew Valley is the initial purchase, and every DLC is instead given for free as updates lol

[@Rad-Dude63andathird]

@@MelodyRose96 It also like, has gameplay past clicking a few buttons once or twice a day.

[@NoahDaArk]

@@Rad-Dude63andathirdAnd like… a genuinely enjoyable gameplay loop supported by gorgeous pixel art

[@dovelyy]

my mom still plays yoville (now called yoworld) and she always brags about how expensive some items are now when she bought them for cheap years before. bless her.

[@jasperjazzie]

i had no idea they were even still around lmao

[@mattwo7]

37:29 Kids calling other people kids when you can clearly hear their voices, truly the next stage of the internet.

[@Thewaterspirit57]

The Zuck trying to “connect” with people is the most hilarious thing ever 💀 He isn’t even a human being, just a heartless business man who wants to suck your money out of you, with a very expensive straw.

[@kerricaine]

also, on the note of VR sickness; try games where you're sitting down primarily; driving sims, flight sims, etc. from my experience the nausea is caused by the disconnect between your eyes telling you you're moving, but your equilibrium not changing. i can play beat saber for hours because i don't need to move, or star wars squadrons because it's a sit-down game, but something like boneworks i can only do 20 minutes tops.

[@LittleMissLounge]

That explains a lot. I can't do water levels without wanting to take a Dramamine.

[@aleanddragonITA]

I guess this is one of the reason why that the Walking Whatever it was called make Playing VR 200 Times better

[@nikkibrowning4546]

I have to use teleport movement. If I have to walk in the game it's a wrap.

[@mattwo7]

39:38 My biggest gripe with VRChat is that in order to have your own custom avatar, instead of everything being handled in the VRChat application, you have to use Unity. Even if the model already exists and is compatible with Unity or you use one of those avatar makers like Vroid Studio (which requires a file converter on top of having to use Unity) or Ready Player Me. In Second Life, you can just build or buy avatars and/or avatar parts and accessories in-engine. Even freaking _IMVU_ has a marketplace for avatar customization. Though actually making or importing the stuff is a lot more complex than Second Life as you have to rig everything manually whereas in Second Life, you're attaching stuff to an existing animation rig. That said, making anything with more than two legs in SL does require scripting and there's plenty of other more advanced stuff too but the basics are pretty simple, it's definitely a lot more easy to learn difficult to master than customizing avatars in any other metaverse software I've seen.

[@obeseperson]

I’m not even much of a vrchat player but it’s so easy to get a custom avatar. If you can’t find it already in-game, it’s really not hard to put it ingame yourself.

[@kaemincha]

i do think these little quality-of-life improvements would help expand VRchat's userbase

[@PizzaPrincessVR]

I mean, that's kinda what it takes to allow people to make ANYITHING and everything in VRChat is to have a whole ass professional game development engine in front of it. I started off not knowing anything about 3D modeling or unity, and in order to make the exact avatar I wanted, I just had to learn programming and 3D modeling.

[@UnclePhil73]

Embarrassed to admit I fell for Zynga’s shovelware. I even joined Facebook groups who’s only purpose was to become friends with each other and we agreed we were ok with spamming each other with Zynga requests.

[@gabepatton9851]

I wonder if these comment bots get excited when they find the words "I fell for"

[@kirabana]

I did that too!

[@j-skullz]

The pressure to play Farmville back then was real, I remember my friend would bug our friend group every day at school to play with him (none of the rest of us cared about Facebook) so I made an account and watered his plants just to make him happy, repeated a couple times then ditched it, I thought it was boring and had scammy vibes - I'm actually pretty proud of young teen me for seeing that lol growing up online is wild. even after i stopped playing it would still be all over my homepage and every other notification I got would be to farm/fish/mafia/whateverville invites (reminder they were pushing this stuff on KIDS). I even joined a group called "I don't care about your farm, your mafia, or your fish" or something like that lmao. only really used Facebook after that for the chat feature and complaining about school and am now the proud owner of a deactivated Facebook account, the site is boring and shady just like the games and from what I can see the metaverse is no different. We deserve better as consumers.

[@albertgreene313]

Thanks Billiam. I spent my morning dumbfounded by the whole "Established Titles is a Scam" thing, that a real material scam deep dive close to my childhood was catharsis.

[@tekken.universal2343]

You did not know established titles works in a weird way where you buy microscopic amount of land somewhere idr and then you suddenly become a lord at least i think that was the technique

[@mattwo7]

Why are you dumbfounded that KZbinrs don't bother to vet their sponsors when the "Better"Help and Candid scandals already happened (RoosterTeeth, on top of all the other controversy surrounding them. seems to want you to forget the former, considering Death Battle is advertising them) and everyone hates Raid Shadow Legends now?

[@Rynewulf]

@@tekken.universal2343 They dont sell land, they arent Scottish landowners. They are US based and only send pictures of the certificate of ownership. Its exactly the same as the old 'owning stars' routine

[@karenamyx2205]

@@Rynewulf Exactly. It's like the owning a star thing. It's just novelty. Did anyone think they really owned the star? It's like a gag gift. That's why I dont consider established titles a scam. If you REALLY thought you were actually buying land and not just a novelty gag gift.. it's kinda on you.

[@Mary1337]

@@karenamyx2205 It's beyond you and me, the smart ones. Gotta look out for the less brainful people, old people who are shit with tech for an example Look outside your own perspective.

[@dstinnettmusic]

I kind of have a lot of nostalgia for like….2012 Facebook. When it was just about talking to your friends and family. I stopped with Facebook when they started shifting focus to groups. I don’t think it gets talked about enough how this transition to social media being about talking to the people you knew in real life to being about finding little clubs of people who share your interests but will otherwise never interact with has been a big part of why it feels like we are at each others throats all the time. I would give anything when the angriest I got online was having too many requests to play games with m friends….

[@ddjsoyenby]

i remember old facebook........it was a different beast.

[@bcc5701]

When politics started dumping money into it things got so shitty. Sucks man.

[@wesleypatterson2989]

I don't think it's so much the existence of groups themselves, but allowing said groups to become political, religious, etc. I think if Facebook was structured like it is now BUT allowed for absolutely no political or religious discussions in any context whatsoever, it wouldn't be nearly as toxic

[@ramppappia]

@@wesleypatterson2989 who decides what's political? because some people think gay people existing is political

[@ruthielalastor2209]

Billiam interacting with the kids in VR is the absolute c u t e s t .

[@Dekolo]

I really love how through entirety of the video you are able to keep it all light hearted while still addressing all the messed up stuff with facebook and gaming, a really good vid 👍

[@XetXetable]

On your VR experiences, I had a similar view early on. For nausia, that's something most people have to get used to. They call it getting your "VR legs", similar to getting "sea legs" when getting over sea sickness. For about a week, I played in 30-45 minute intervals 2-3 times a day, and after that week I stopped getting nausia. That's pretty typical for a lot of people. On the quality of quest games, the quest is fundamentally a glorified android smart phone. Anything that won't run (or won't run well) on such a device won't run on a quest. There are a few exceptions (Walking Dead: Saints and Sinners, Resist, and Song in the Smoke come to mind as examples of proper feeling games on the platform), but most are on the same level as a typical phone game. Most examples of proper feeling games in VR need a PC. Also, Facebook definitely views Fortnite as a competitor. Facebook made the game Population: One as a direct competitor on the Quest.

[@Sarahm2261]

What your opinion on asgard wrath 2 and assassin creed nexus?

[@safebox36]

So fun fact; I got a Dublin job role promoted to me when I graduated uni. Despite wanting to get into the industry, I turned it and two following offers down cause of, as you mentioned, the associated stigma. 😅 Edit: after watching further into the vid, it might have been King. Same shit, different company.

[@TheMagic1412]

I remember Zwinky. It looked so ugly... It kept ending up in my web browser as my late grandparents used to let my Lil cousins on my PC whenever I was away on the weekend and one day I came home to my cousins playing it. I later realized it was installed and I couldnt get ride of it. Had to look at the ugly icon for weeks until it was finally gone after I accidentally got malware from a shady rom site and my grandpa had to reinstall windows (his way of deleting viruses) and then a day later my cousins reinstalled it again... Hated that game. And I am not mocking anyone who enjoyed it, it just wasnt a game that interested me as a kid.

[@averyjeanne]

This is probably your best video Billiam. I really hadn’t understood what the metaverse was before watching this. Now I actually understand it and I hate it! Thanks

[@johnmillay6790]

Right? This was as educational as PBS

[@HAVgiraffe]

I was so self content that i could say I never played any of these facebook games but then the Vampires game flashed on screen for a brief second at 5:04 and my smugg face just vanished so quickly and shame befell on me, my cows and my family. Thankfully I escaped this hell when I deleted my facebook profile a year ago.

[@theresacherco3503]

I love these kids are talking to him and teaching him how to play VR it’s so funny and cute

[@ChefArella]

As someone who makes a side income off of Second Life (I sell items I've created in Blender, plus my own paintings), MetaVerse was always doomed to fail IMO. This style of social media space is way more connected to people's creativity than MetaVerse will ever be able to admit. The built-in market for this sort of chat space is used to having a 90%-95% user-created world, and the freedom to express how they look and their surroundings to a high degree of customization. Even in VRChat, there's more creativity that goes into it than MetaVerse currently allows for. Unless they change that, it's DOA on all fronts.

[@belenbarria568]

I need a whole video of Billiam interacting with the Metakids

[@dionstewart7394]

Billiam calling Fubu Fubo was so hilarious to me. Also I know people always bring up how odd Mark is, but I can't be the only one that gets extremely weirded out when seeing him talk more than a few minutes. Something is up with that dude. Lol

[@Bvshbvnny]

I used to be obsessed with farmtown (it was 2009, I was 7) and I was so relieved when I found stardew valley after all of the games were deleted off of facebook. I probably would've liked stardew valley more back then too if I knew about it. I was just happy that the animals moved around on their own and weren't confined to a small box

[@blingmoney]

Surprised you didn't mention PC vr. There are so many more pcvr games since Facebooks headset is android based and standalone. For the titles that are on both pc and meta, the meta versions almost always feel like the McDonald's toy equivalent of the pc games. There are also tons of mods for regular games that turn them into vr with varying degrees of success.

[@bcc5701]

He did he mentioned how to have vr pc going you need like 1000$ of stuff: pc able to support, headset, etc

[@OliverBooks]

I love that the most fun Bill had was failing to play a game with children 😂

[@sabokiTV]

I like seeing other people involved in production like your producer in those little clips. Thank you for always making such high quality content Billiam

[@Digiflower5]

You know out of all the facebook games, I can only really recall 2 I have fond memories of. 1. Code Lyoko the Social Game - It could be beaten and wasn't predatory 2. Pet Society - It was a fun pet dress up and house simulator, it died early on but wasn't predatory too. Good Video. :) Edit: I forgot to mention as for Metaverse its so bland.

[@crizmeow8394]

I loved pet society!! I still think thei art style is very cute

[@annamelvina216]

Pet Society was so cute! I remember playing the little racing game a lot.

[@LikaLaruku]

There was this parody of The Sims I can't remember the name of, & it was significantly better than the Sims game EA put on Facebook, but EA sicks their lawyers out on anyone on Facebook or the Google Play Store who makes anything like The Sims, so of course the game was taken down.

[@Digiflower5]

By the way Billiam I recommend checking out Moss for VR, they got a demo and it's both charming and you won't get sick. It's a game of about helping a little mouse named Quill to save her uncle and everyone around here. Its a puzzle platformer.

[@Trees...]

It's also just very pretty.

[@bcc5701]

Am I the little mouse? Like the vr is from a little mouse perspective?

[@Sarahm2261]

​@bcc5701 no it a vr platformer, just look up gameplay to see what I mean

[@hennaoctopus]

Great video! I think most of us felt the whole metaverse thing was sketchy instinctively, but its nice to see it explained in a clear way that i can repeat to other if I need to explain why I mistrust this kind of company

[@kyoyameganebereznoff]

This video is so cool because I get to listen to someone recontextualize a lot of things I grew up with and was too young to understand.

[@CodyEwok]

I flippin love the respect those kids had. "Sir, Sir!" lool the future.

[@Leafpool2]

this was such a nostalgia rush and im not sure how to feel about that...my facebook game addiction ran deep as a kid. i never spent money but i compensated for that by setting timers and meticulously checking every game so so so many times per day. regret.

[@iluv_nana]

Billiam playing on the Metaverse with all those kids was very lovely

[@LonelyAssassin96]

I like the kid addressing you as "Sir". So polite for a child on the internet.

[@kellmalleus5825]

Anybody else remember a game called Castle Age? That one was actually really, really fun. Like, not the most engaging experience ever, but it was great for a second-tab game to fill the void of loading screens of other games.

[@salvsays]

I just realized that ive actually never heard mark z talk before. Seeing him talk made me realize he is literally data from star trek next gen. Hes a better data than data is 😮

[@raeganj6744]

Don’t do Data like that😂

[@sam6764]

My friends and I lied about our age so we could sign up for Facebook just to play Farmville.

[@spellinwaiting5290]

I love my Quest 2, but I've definitely noticed when I use it lately they're trying REALLY hard to push Horizons on me. I turn it on and they start insisting on stuff like setting up a profile or choosing an avatar. It's all been skippable so far, luckily.

[@wardencommander616]

I have no interest in virtual reality until someone finds a way to get me to the Digital World. Then I'm fully in.

[@grant187]

W Billiam. Super insightful and well researched. Imma share this video with my mom on facebook

[@zekecontreras77]

Thank you for how well researched and nuanced your videos always are! You are awesome, kind, and hilarious Billiam!

[@JordonWithAnO]

This is legit one of my fave videos you've produced! So well researched and well spoken! And I think your suggestion that the Metaverse might take down Meta in the long term is 100% true!

[@kozaky6584]

It's always a great day when Billiam uploads

[@johnmillay6790]

It's not Scooby-Doo but it's pretty good

[@ButWhyWasTaken]

32:27 a small, supposedly cute animal thing sounding like a creepy stalker guy is not really my idea of what would make a great pet in any situation, even a regular video game I play on a screen. Imagine hearing _that_ behind you at 3 am

[@Qwerty-zj3rk]

That kid referring to Billiam as “Sir” was really cute.

[@Chewbarta]

38:58 That silence from the children was weirdly reassuring in that they couldn’t think of how to make fun of you.

[@newsystembad]

I have literally connected more with the people I met in the bottom of a Steam forum thread of a discontinued game than Zuck has in his entire goddamn life.

[@anteaterchronicles]

I grew up 15min from Yountville, it's always funny to hear the french laundry mentioned randomly in youtube videos. not even surprised its a hotspot for rich silicon valley tourists

[@Darkaos_5]

I do believe that one thing that could have been bought up is that when it comes to tech and price, if the users were looking for something specifically made by a game company and for a gaming experience... there's always Valve, they launched their own VR headset the Valve Index, which apparently while costing an arm and a leg, is leagues more precise and comfortable than most others on the market, a bit disappointing that Billiam didn't even mention it though.

[@Oturan20]

Valve looked at the current market and decided to use their Future tech to make a better player experience.

[@nandee1fuery]

My mom dropped THOUSANDS on Farmville. She even tried writing off some of her purchases on her taxes. 🤦‍♀️

[@Duradara]

I spended so much time in Farmville back in the day lmao. I remember I quit when they added a second farm, i think its was like a fantasy farm or something.

[@mo0onmin]

TWO Billiam vids today? As soon as I finished work?! Hell yesssss!!

[@HoChiMints2007]

Billiam having fun with British kids is wholesome

[@ectofriend]

This was a very different style of Billiam video but it was an INCREDIBLY well done and informative video. This was an absolute banger dude. I hope this does well so we can get more videos in this style from you. One of my new favs.

[@cosmicjenny4508]

I absolutely love my Quest 2 but holy shit Facebook keep messing with things and it’s so annoying. They roll-out firmware updates in waves and it takes some people MONTHS to receive them for no other reason than because Facebook *can* do that.

[@hikkibunny]

Yesss. I tried my hardest to avoid the Meta update as long as possible but they wouldn't let me play anymore until I turned on my wifi and signed in. Sad times

[@carlparslow8115]

I was obsessed with "The sims social" miscrits, and there was a vampire game I loved

[@mattwo7]

41:15 Epic Games is investing big in metaverse tech. So if they manage to get there in the near future, they already _have_ Fortnite. It just depends on if they put 2+2 together there but they'd have to be Elon Zuckerberg-Chapek levels of incompetent to not involve Fortnite with their plans. Considering they're smart enough to provide even Valve's de facto monopoly with some actual competition by strongarming devs into timed exclusivity deals (which is unethical sure but smart business, just like Fortnite's monetization)...

[@shatteredslime1593]

ive gotten facebook ads advertising ads. no kidding. they were saying how targeted ads lead to new ideas and how having your info stolen so you can be bombarded by companies that want to drain your wallet of every last penny is somehow good.

[@MF-R]

Bill Bill Bill Bill... Billiam the Billiam guy!

[@meyadin5844]

when i was a kid i went onto farm town and went into the marketplace, advertising myself as a harvester to go onto their plot of lands to harvest everybodys crops. i would keep all of their crops to myself and make bank and got farmtown rich off of doing that

[@Jack_Saint_Archive]

*I love when Billiam said "It's gamin' time! and gamed all over Facebook. Truly one of the gamers of all time.*

[@Productions547]

He might be the MOST gamer of all time

[@Jack_Saint_Archive]

Truly one of the replies of all time

[@mahelaniarektbb]

Zuckerburg so desperately wants to be Steve Jobs. I'm waiting for him to go full turtleneck.

[@gilgazack9403]

I remember those games never liked them I just played Pet society, Marvel Avengers something, Dragon City and Empire and Allies . I never liked to bother people with invites since I didn't like myself to receive them so I will just send them if a friend had send them to me first lol Edit: Also those kids are adorable lol

[@Stereo6400]

here’s the thing… VR is great, but it’s not accessible at all. i can’t stand up without crutches, which requires both my hands, so i can’t play: superhot, beatsaber (which is the main game i bought it for), or help wanted. my oculus is now sitting in a corner gathering dust because i’m disabled.

[@XxTaiMTxX]

The problem I ended up inevitably having with Farmville: It eventually felt like I wasn't really doing anything. I wasn't REALLY accomplishing anything. The entire gameplay revolved around just... managing your time. Which meant that anything you "accomplished" wasn't actually an accomplishment. There was no way to "have bragging rights" at all. As a gamer, I like having a few options for bragging. Even if I can only brag to myself that I did something. The problem I have with Facebook: Why is this thing showing EVERYTHING except what my friends are up to? It's only good for the chat boxes now. Especially since so few people use Skype, which is vastly superior to Discord. Unless you want to talk to a bajillion people at once, when most of them are annoying and/or stupid and shouldn't be opening their mouths to begin with (so... used in Raids, essentially, and useless outside of anything beyond that). Thank you Facebook for being a glorified chat service for me. I miss MSN and AOL Messenger. I miss Yahoo Messenger. Now I've got Skype and Facebook for messenging people. Facebook decided to make itself useless.

[@xAlexZifko]

buddy i hate to be the one to break it to you but you arent accomplishing anything with ANY game. theyre ALL just "managing your time" doing little insignificant activities which while fun, will absolutely not give you any long term sense of accomplishment

[@name-nl3jk]

@@xAlexZifko Even going by that logic, it's clear that some are more that than others. Beating a Dark Souls boss is more rewarding than Farmvile. Especially, since there is no real goal to Farmvile except infinite growth really.

[@xAlexZifko]

@@name-nl3jk youre missing the point entirely. im saying that no video game achievements will ever translate into true, real world fulfillment for the extreme majority of people and the time you spend on any of them is equal.

[@XxTaiMTxX]

@@xAlexZifko Ah, a non-gamer. Here's what you fail to understand about gaming and why you're using a reductive argument. Video games are "escapism" for a vast majority of people who play. They do not exist purely for "fun". Because, if all you wanted was a sense of "fun", well, there's free prawn on the internet on demand anytime you want. That's just the pinnacle of dopamine hits outside of illegal substances. If you want something in between, you can engage in other activities. Hanging out with friends in real life, going bowling, to a sports game, shopping, read a book, watch a TV show, or whatever. There's a bajillion ways to "have fun". Especially since "fun" is little more than having an emotional attachment and reaction to an activity (anything you can't emotionally connect to, will never be fun for you, it's pretty interesting science when you begin studying it). So, with video games being "escapism" in mind, there are reasons people use video games to "escape". Primairly, it is to have the experiences you can not or will not ever have in your real life. Saving the world, getting an idealized mate, building up an empire from nothing, etcetera. Farmville taps into "addiction" and not "fun" for the typical gamer. It's systems are designed to create a schedule for the player and keep them returning, even when they aren't having fun. I am one of the few gamers that "addiction mechanics" don't work on, because I innately realize what is going on and decide that "the juice isn't worth the squeeze" anymore. It's why I never got into Fortnite, most MOBAs, or even Overwatch. Addiction Mechanics just don't do anything for me, and when your game revolves around those to "be fun", your game is "not fun" for me. To that extent, I require a game have what is basically "a set of boxes to tick". Goals, accomplishments, rewards that prove I checked the boxes. Something that proves I did more than just "waste my life" to get to where I was in the game. Stuff that shows I did the thing that (preferably) required some level of intellectual skill to accomplish, or some level of mental fortitude. Or, even, that I'm just the one person who did the thing because nobody else thought it was worth it to do it. Are real life accomplishments better? Yes and no. With someone who has dozens of real life accomplishments under his belt, I can tell you that those come with "more responsibilities" and "more people counting on you". They also take a lot longer to accomplish in real life and get recognition for than you would in a video game environment. Video games simplify this considerably. You got the title, you got the little knicknack to show you did the thing, everyone recognizes it at a glance and knows what you did, and it doesn't bring you any further hassle for having accomplished the thing. We're also talking accomplishments that might take a matter of hours or days rather than ones that would take YEARS. So, it's the escapism of "I accomplished something without all the hassle associating with having accomplished something and all the downsides to accomplishing something". Farmville doesn't have these "accomplishment" mechanics. Everything is achieved purely by "spending your life" on it. No intellectual skill involved. No reflexes involved. No personality traits required. Nothing. It is the equivalent of a participation trophy. Nobody likes to win the Participation Trophy.

[@backwooddagn6888]

I know for a fact I did not just see someone wholeheartedly claim that Skype is "VASTLY SUPERIOR" to Discord. As someone who used Skype for years, and then switch to discord; discord is leagues better. The audio quality on calls is better, calls drop less often. Skype also seems to lower your webcam's natural quality which I have not noticed with discord at all. Discord is better for making new friends as well. Idk in what possible way Skype could ever be considered better than discord.

[@dreamingpichu2334]

At the moment, the only VR games I desperately want to try are Job Simulator and Vacation Simulator. Just because they seem so charming with the bizarre amount of freedom you get even within confined spaces. It's basically what lil me was imagining on the playground at school, and I find that fun.

[@lyleblue6739]

the zuckverse isn't going to take off without furries free advertising it with their various brand-free creatures, which requires custom uploading, tails, and most importantly legs augmented reality would only be more useful than a screen if civilians needed to process as much information as fast as say.... an F1 driver or military jet pilot I want to be a shiny plastic catboy or dragon, not a realistic (sans legs) human in a shirt

[@madmachanicest9955]

Fun fact Facebook had this bad habit of mandatory installing Facebook and all of its annoying pop up ads and tracking software on your cell phone if you bought from Verizon a couple of years ago. I got so pissed off that I had Facebook on my phone and could not delete it but I learned to hack cell phones as a result. And asked her going through the trouble of learning to crack the Android OS so I can hack my cell phone to remove Facebook I've never used anything Facebook ever again

[@WoWplyr19]

Please do totally spies!!!

[@justthat69]

Oh my god yes. I can see title now. Totally spies is a fetish generator.

[@KatFoxxe]

The moment Facebook bought oculus was the moment I stopped wanting an oculus headset.

[@gabe_s_videos]

I'd argue that Facebook ITSELF is basically a video game, and the object is to collect as many friends as possible. That's why it's constantly recommending friends for you, showing you other people's friends to encourage you to collect more, adding little activities and features for you and your friends to do and and anything else to just keep you playing with it, nonstop, all day, every day. And considering that most of us who used it first grew up with Pokemon, it doesn't surprise me that we took to it.

[@sophiej6893]

Metaverse doesn't even have avatar legs, while VR Chat can literally portray sign language so well people can communicate with it.

[@ProtoGhostal1701]

I love the Windows sounds whenever Zuck's facial expressions change, it's such a great tocuh

[@koopkingBowser]

Getting an ad for metaverse in the middle of this and not realizing it was an ad until like 20 seconds in sure was an experience.

[@smolzillamakes]

Billiam I know this is a long shot shout out but me and a lot of my guys out in the Midwest cornfields of Iowa had this came called Test Drive: Eve of Destruction and it was this demolition derby game and it was something so special. The music of the game, the way it made you feel badass, the window open with some cool humidity coming through. Just sitting there playing it 4 way split screen on the original XBox. It would mean the world if you could do a video or something short about crash em games

[@Magmafrost13]

The funniest thing about the price of the meta quest pro is that its more expensive than a vive pro. Like, just buy a vive pro at that point. Its comparable in price to the fucking Valve Index (assuming you can ever find one in stock anywhere in the tiny handful of countries its actually sold in), the reigning champ of VR hardware for the past 3 years. And who would you trust with all the data that could be collected from a vr headset more: valve, or facebook? Like there is no reason for anyone to ever buy that thing. Anyway zucc is now forcing all oculus hardware to use a meta account, including hardware that we were explicitly promised would never require that back when facebook purchased oculus. Hardware that many many people (myself included) would not have purchased had that promise not been made.

[@shadycatz85]

don't forget candy crush, first a facebook game before hitting mobile. everyone and their mothers (literally, my mother was obsessed with it) was playing candy crush, and sending invites in order to get more than the three measly lives every 6 hours. edit: lol nevermind, you mentioned it

[@ButWhyWasTaken]

33:20 Zuck's problem is that he is trying to start a game like the Oasis from Ready Player One or like Sword art Online but at least 20 years before the technology is even possible and probably in an attempt to gloss over this fact he decided on an art style that looks like a 15 year old shovelware game for the original wii, completely blind to the fact that using visuals like a crappy old kids' game is pretty much the same as taking Oppy out back and putting _it_ down himself. Oh and of course the point that the vast majority of what he proposes is total bullshit that adds pointless layers of inconvenience and paywalls to what already exists and what is already fairly convenient, he tries to create need for useless fluff no one needs nor even wants and _completely and utterly_ fails at selling it. Literally no one thinks VR is cool because shit looks like an educational game from the early 2000s but because in movies and anime it looks awesome and epic, either like reality to the point where it's not possible to tell the difference aside from small clues or because it's grand vistas and epic fantasy or sci fi worlds that would allow people to experience something completely impossible in irl. *NOT* because it allows people to use crappy, goofy avatars to do what video conferences can already do easily and effortlessly now but requiring a bulky, heavy headset that can easily cause headaches or nausea in healthy people and would be an actual health risk to anyone with a number of health issues and thereby discriminating against anyone like this. Not to mention that even healthy people will have to call it quits every couple of hours or so for an extended break so gamers won't be able to play nearly as much and crucial business meetings will have to be cut short or at least split up which means the next time people will most likely have to waste time repeating what happened last time as refresher and it will cause even more scheduling issues than any regular meeting. In short, the metaverse is total bs that adds virtually nothing but inconvenience and paywalls and fails to even dress up nicely to appeal to anyone, it's already failed before it even started. At best Zuck can hope to recupe a bit of money from some niche applications like e.g. people still playing Second Life or maybe he can manage to create some metaverse apps actually useful for some business niches but the widespread success he imagines is basically the same as Trump expecting Jared to sort out the Arab-Israeli conflict just because he would like it to happen.

[@firstnamemclastname9490]

What's sad is that Horizon Worlds was outdone the moment it came out by the NEARLY 6 YEAR OLD Rec Room which to this day is the best VR social game.

[@thedigiknow]

Can't get over how good this video is. I've observed that the people who were "pioneering' (barf) predatory Facebook games went on to pioneer hyper-predatory mobile games and then were first in line for the uber-predatory crypto / blockchain "games" -- the common thread? Get-rich-quick start up weirdos trying to make as much money as humanly possible BEFORE regulation arrives. Regulation hit Facebook so they moved their gross games to iOS & Android. Regulation arrived in those spaces so they were first to cheerlead for web3 blockchain "gaming" -- these guys just want to beat the regulators.

[@yoda908]

Only reason I originally got Facebook was to help my brother who played a game I think was called Sushi Wars. Then I ended up switching from MySpace entirely to chat with family. As far as games; I used PlayStation Home. That had perfect potential. Ended up getting shutdown because nobody wanted to spend a monthly subscription. The amount of free content you could earn just by entering hubs was amazing. And I love how it had certain events going on depending on the holiday. Like on Easter there was an Easter egg hunt. Plus the way you could watch tv with friends I thought was unique. Those not aware; you could invite a friend over to your home and watch a streaming service called Crackle and they could be anywhere in the world physically and could sit on a couch or chair in your digital home as a 3d avatar and watch the same program while talking to you. A friend of mine claimed he got a different streaming service besides Crackle; but not sure how true that is. Considering when he told me; Home was already shutdown.