Factory Five Live - Engine Options

[@louislazarus9253]

Just FYI...I've owned my '69 Corvette 427/435 for 52 years. Yes, it isn't a Cobra. The car has 180,000 miles on it and the engine has never been out of the car. It still has the original three Holley Model 2300 carbs. I removed the factory mag-pulse ignition five years ago and went with the GM HEI. Look guys, all this "talk, talk, talk" is for what? What are you planning to do with these cars? If you're going to race them, that's one thing. If you're going to just enjoy them on the street, big whoop! Sure, you can choose any engine and any combination of other parts but why? Wouldn't it just be better to keep it simple? Who the fu*k cares if you have 500 or 520 h.p.? That kind of stuff is for kids. Build a good, solid engine that will last and still give you decent performance. The more exotic you make it, the more likely it is you'll eventually be stranded by the side of the road waiting for a tow truck. To sum it up...complicated isn't necessarily a good thing.

[@peaceprayer595]

Guys....I've gotta tell you. It's so refreshing to hear a transparent approach to anything in the car industry. Thank you... Thank you... Thank you!

[@charlesboone2258]

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[@frantzkenol6720]

My FACTORY FIVE MKIII has been bringing me joy for the past 12 years. Best decision I ever made. I pull up next to Ferraris and Lambos and people run up to my car

[@lornecatalano-tl7sm]

Webers “They run like crap right out of the box”. I love the look really appreciate Dbes honesty from experience.

[@dbspecials1200]

What is most important is knowing you're buying a car here that real experts can help you tailor in a practical way that suits your needs. not everyone knows that anything much over 300 horse in one of these cars can easily throw it off the road -if you're not very skilled with it. overpowering a car could limit your fun and ability to enjoy the experience, and it can be downright dangerous. 🏁

[@johnsimon340]

Love the original 302 based motor ! All the power I need and super reliable!

[@TeddyRumble]

Me too. I want to have a lot of fun, without working to get it.

[@scottypenney3862]

Damn it...I said I was just going take a quick look. Fucking watch the whole thing. And now my shirt is all wet from drooling... thanks a lot guys!!

[@itperdition]

Those newer fuel injection engines are nice and all, but there’s something about the sound and cam lope of an old pushrod engine that I love. The new engines sound like sewing machines. If I build one it will be 302 old school.

[@stephenscott4166]

Ok, you got me, now I want one… or two…

[@justinbieber12373]

I have 3 carburated cars 2 1968 Chevelles 1 1971 Camro Z/28 . All Carburated never had a problem last 30 years . 🍷

[@keithlang8987]

Dave, I agree with you 100%! 20 years ago I had Bill P. (So sorry to hear he passed away in March) rebuild an old Hollman & moody 427 side Oiler for me. It had a blue thunder intake with dual Holley 600’s. Nothing sounded better to me than that engine. It was mated up to a NASCAR edition top loader. RIP Bill Parham - nobody was better!

[@honkhonk6443]

i like how they get more and more excited each minute passes. You are doing great job.

[@cjkemp5970]

This out of almost all the videos I’ve watched from you guys this has been my favorite! Keep it up o

[@JuneEBug-gy6nt]

You have great energy. Makes a long video easy to watch

[@rustyweapon]

Over-caffeinated and deeply passionate about cars, my kind of vid! Keep these coming guys (also, think I'm sold on that 5.2L as I'll be tracking mine)

[@bic1498]

I love my MK4 roadster with its 351w, Tw170 heads, F303 cam, TKO600 and double pump 650. I guess about 425hp/480+ft-lbs. I run 3.27 gears in my 8.8 3-link and the street manners are outstanding. 2000rpm in 5th and 70mph all day long. I have 315 Nitto NT05s on the back and have broken them free in 3rd gear with throttle only so the power is more than there. This car takes FOCUS to drive, but will make you smile EVERY time. Worth every penny spent and every second of the build. Only thing I may do is put a Holley Sniper FI system on it.

[@AarenPho]

What are your wheel specs if you don’t mind me asking, since you’re using 315s in the rear?

[@bic1498]

@@AarenPho Wheels are the FFR Halibrand replicas, 17x10.5" for the rear. I was running Nitto NT05 tires

[@AarenPho]

@@bic1498 ok if I remember right the offset for those are around +24 ty for the information!!

[@idiot-983]

Bought my Cobra kit off of you in the late 1990s, and you are still intense !

[@robderstadt]

This was great! Please keep this up. I already have my kit but this sort of information/opinion is invaluable, especially in video format. I would love to see more on things that aren’t already well known. Finishing tips, air jacks, interiors, fuel cells, wheel selection, etc. The forums are great, but nothing beats an hour with you guys. Thanks again!

[@montycrain5783]

For any carbureted car that sits a lot, a fuel shut off that allows running the bowls dry eliminates a lot of problems along with a drain plug on the gas tank.

[@Redone943]

Brilliant video guys. There is a lot to choosing the right engine and hearing you guys talk about the many different combo's was extremely interesting

[@bondscalper]

This is one of the best videos for potential buyers you have ever done !!! Thanks Im buying a MKIII when I retire in a few years and park it next to my Porsche 981. And since I watched this video I think Im going with a 302 engine. I like to put the peddle to the metal and not die. You cant do that with the bigger engines. "Rock ON" FFR

[@highplainshollarhomestead3188]

Im building a garage so I can buy a Daytona coupe. Going to be epic.

[@highplainshollarhomestead3188]

@Richard Yeah. I was planning to build a car with my dad and two sons. Then dad passed suddenly of a heart attack. We all thought he was healthy. 6'-4" and not overweight at all. I had just broke ground in 2017 to level off the spot for a garage. Then he passed. So, in dads honor, and to honor our committment we made to teaching the boys, I am still building the garage. Much slower going without dad. Boys are stil under 10. But I will get there. Its my legacy to leave them one day.

[@highplainshollarhomestead3188]

@Richard You can see the exterior of it in some of my videos. Big red building.

[@davidrobertson7069]

@@highplainshollarhomestead3188Sorry to hear that, keep up the work and enjoy your sons while they're with you and not grown.

[@Joe11Blue]

You're doing that backwards

[@mervi3614]

1 year Update?

[@rooster7658]

This is one of the best sales team I've ever seen !! This is entertaining 🤣

[@pimpovic2]

Seriously, I can just imagine the guys with more money than sense lapping this up.

[@youMerlinator]

It's really good to ear from you. Please keep creating content!

[@itempany]

Great Video.......Aluminator in a Type 65 would be my favourite for Tarmac Rally here in Australia

[@alexanderwatson9983]

Man - love this, especially the 5.0 part - when I got my mustang I didn’t realise that the S mode on my auto locked it in to manual took off in 1st and it just cut the engine before it blew up - simply amazing the tech it has 😱🤤

[@xDivinitysCreaturex]

Dave and the guys really know their stuff. This is a good primer on engine options for people building a car 🏎. Horsepower options, transmission etc. Respect for the racing experience too.

[@patcar5616]

This vid was excellent! Thank you Dave!

[@robj2704]

That 427 Windsor is what I like to hear.

[@alant5757]

I have to say... it sounded the BEST.

[@jasonmyers3847]

I used to drive past your huge facility in Vegas on a weekly basis. I drove a big beautiful blue Peterbilt 389 for Western Distributing Transportation. I always wanted to stop and tour, your place. I never got that chance. My dad and I are huge Ford fans! Kit car or original A.C. Shelby Cobra. I love them all!

[@BobbyDigital_100]

Wow, you guys just did this on one take. That’s awesome. You guys know your sh*t for sure!💥💪🏾💥

[@dennywood3469]

What a great explanation of engine options. Thanks, guys!

[@benjaminreimer3850]

I love the honesty!! Saving to get started on one. I love the 33 roadster!

[@JohnSmith-dj5gf]

I’m dying of lust over that blue Type 65. I’ll take mine with a Gen 3 Coyote. Excellent video guys. Very informative for potential future customers like myself.

[@joeg9810]

Great video looking forward to one day getting to build one. Would like to visit your showroom!!

[@davidortiz173]

I'm glad you guys have pipes and engine mounts for LS and other engines.

[@R182video]

Great presentation. Thank you. Planning on a Daytona Coupe as my next project, so lots of good information.

[@user-hb8be5wb4q]

Thank you for posting and sharing this vlog with us. I didn’t see anything with LS in it, AINT THAT GREAT for a change. This from a 67 Ford Mustang owner!!! Love your vlog! Got nothing against gmc products, just never had any luck with their products.

[@kitcarnut]

Ouch guys, really beat up on us old guy FE purists eh! Dave, you worried about Al being butt hurt? What about poor old George here with a 482FE w/Webers yet ouch? lmao Great video guys, loved it and your passion too. I really struggled with the power plant decision, this info would have been helpful back then, bonus to new builders. But in the end, while at Carlisle back in 98, I got a ride in a 700hp FE and it scared the crap out of me. Man that was insane, while mine is just over 600hp, I love the fact that it scares the crap out of me. And that pounding on the chest Dan was talking about,I need it to keep my heart pumping!!!

[@ryans3383]

Awesome! So many options. I’m having a hard time deciding on an engine for a future build.

[@highplainshollarhomestead3188]

Great video. One thing you didnt mention on the old school ford engines are the transmission bell housing bolt patterns. With a chevy, you can bolt up and chevy trans to any chevy engine. You have to be more careful with fords. Its minor, but if a new guy is out buying up druvetrain components, he needs to be aware of the small block and big block ford transmission bolt patterns.

[@-Diceman]

great video! in terms of automotive milestones I want to achieve in my lifetime, I have two: build a sports car myself, and one day own a Ferrari front-engine v12. I hope it won't take too much to adapt the F9 chassis for the drivetrain when it finally comes out! I'm saving up to hopefully be able to shove the 599's engine in it and hit two birds with one stone, now that would be a mean car and unique, to say the least!

[@dougford5691]

Lots of good info. Everyone is very knowledgeable. Thanks.

[@McNabbula]

Great job on keeping the interest alive. I agree with and enjoyed a lot of the opinions given. Survival Motorsports is your man for FE motors. A 360/390 block with his 445 stroker kit puts out an honest 500 hp . Their are a couple of others that specializes in the FE. I personally love a stroker 383 mopar engine as well. The Cobra is so much fun you can’t go wrong with just about any American V8. Thanks again for the mental break, I hope to win your MarkIV being given away this year at the London cobra show sight .

[@scottford1091]

You meant Ford V8 right?

[@parkerwhite8289]

Love it! doing cars and coffee for a living, what a life.

[@rooster7658]

I've always wanted to build a factory five car .I've seen a few and the quality is certainly there

[@martinrebullida9089]

love the sound of the 427 mad loud sound! yahoo!

[@DanODNC1]

I still love the 289 body style best w/ the frowny AC schnoz

[@diljithayre9379]

Hi guys from the UK have started noticing the name of factory five hearing in kit car magazines and I've just watched this particular interview with you guys the only word I can describe it is as ( passionate )

[@MichaelDurig1]

I just found this video. I had an 86 LX 5.0 and miss it every day. Thanks for the info.

[@rockytalkndawoods3057]

Simple car, simple engine, less electrical, simply happy.

[@rockytalkndawoods3057]

Honestly being able to change spark plugs easily is a big selling point for mechanic driven buyers. Lol.

[@BWGPEI]

You advice as to fuel injection was true in 1973, and the systems have gotten better over the years.

[@Paul-jt7mw]

thanks for doing this I Have been trying to decided on a engine for a while

[@CanIbeFrank]

7.3 Godzilla with a Cam and ported heads. 600hp 600tq. Reliable and great sound

[@colinrogers5419]

I would love to put a 5.0 coyote in one of these!

[@tournamentdan]

The polished aluminum Holley sniper intake looks soooooo much better than the plastic boss or cobra jet intake.

[@martinrebullida9089]

super great cars see you soon mr. smith

[@bigdamdork]

This was a very informative video. You sold me on the Fuel Injected 302. Planning on starting a build in about 3-4 years. Bought a house with a 3 car garage just for this reason. Love your build series as well. I live in California and have seen a few blogs about how to get it registered, hopefully this hasn't changed. Need to figure all that stuff out before pulling the trigger.

[@JerryDLTN]

21:00 The Mustang GT350 is powered by a naturally aspirated 5.2-liter flat-plane-crank V-8 that produces 526 horsepower and 429 lb-ft of torque. It was only offered with a six-speed manual transmission.

[@JB91710]

20:18 LOOK, at that Hot Rod with that lower roof! Now I can see that as a Road Racer! 20:38 I keep on thinking about a Boss 302 engine in the 818 coupe with a Subaru 6 speed and Bundle of Snakes GT40 exhaust. On a budget, a stock Mustang GT 302 with a Holley 4 barrel fuel injection unit and electronic ignition is the way to go. It will put you back in your seat on the on ramp, looks good and will sound good. What can you really use on the street?

[@barkleyhunt9004]

whoa!!! That anniversary car is insane!!! Ordering soon!!

[@jarronellis5801]

Very informative thanks I’m going with the coyote fur my 65 coupe mustang. will have to change my front suspension from ride tech

[@DouglasCoffey-em5jt]

Loved this thank you

[@arttafil6792]

Yes, the reason for little cylinder wear of a 289 with 158K miles is because it’s a very over square engine design with long rods. This induces less rod stress and less angularity. However, If I were one of your customers, I’d be a puristI that means a Shelby 289, actually a 294 cid due to all Shelby American competition engines having a clean up overbore. Next, the Webber’s would stay! Also, the heads would have to be Crane super port flow heads just like the originals. Oh, by the way, I’m speaking from the experience of an original owner of an 1965 GT 350 competition version. I bought it new and raced it in SCCA amateur racing before joining the Marine Corps in mid 1965.

[@zakstev]

Mustangfords.com says, "Ford's 289 Hi-Po was also Shelbized, most notably with the addition of tubular Tri-Y headers and a Holley 715-cfm carburetor with aluminum high-rise intake manifold. These performance mods were over and above the already potent Hi-Po 289 version offered by the factory, taking the power rating from 271 hp for the Hi-Po to 306 hp for the Shelby Cobra version. " Additionally the Shelby got special cylinder heads. But mainly the Shelby motor was then considered to be more robust,for high performance work.

[@arttafil6792]

zakstev , Yes, I know all about the Shelbyized version. I owned an 1965 GT350 R I raced it in SCCA amateur competition. I had purchased a Shelby factory race 289 actually a 294 due to an .030 clean up overbore. It had Crane super port flow heads, a .480 high lift roller cam also from Crane with their roller rockers, a 12 quart Traco engineering oil pan and Mellings high pressure and volume oil pump. My engine ad four 48 IDA Webbers. Output was listed at 385 hp at 7,000 rpm. Cost of the engine in 1965 was $1.00 per horsepower or $3,850.00.

[@danielputnam7191]

Just curious. Has anyone put a 408 in a MK-IV? I would imagine with taking less material away from the 351W block than you have to for the 427 would aid in reliability while still providing plenty of power/torque, great sound, and an "old school" look.

[@maddog9659]

351 Clevor or maybe a 408 Windsor would make for an interesting combination..

[@craigyirush3492]

As an Elise owner who wants to build a Daytona Coupe, I loved the Lotus comparison.

[@AutoSugar]

Same here!

[@ItsDaJax]

First thing came to me was the 7 in comparison.

[@BucketWheat]

For the guys in California... they can put the LS "E-Rod" engine and trans, and still meet all the CAFE regulations.

[@BillSands2112]

Awesome 👌 video love them all

[@freknot]

Very helpful fellas, thank you!

[@mikie47]

Loved my FFR cobra with 429 huge cam and 850 Holly. Set every car alarm off I drove by downtown. Nothing close to that sound tat I’ve ever heard. Sad now I sold it. Wahhhhh!

[@gregwestfall4257]

That 427 sounds awesome

[@warrenkruger6984]

Love the cars!!

[@michaelbutler2760]

Ford needs to build a 427 cu Coyote Engine

[@r3d_ti3_guy]

Michael Butler There’s a modular 6.7L now. Absolute monster that will take every bit of boost you can throw at it.

[@craigpennington1251]

It would be great if they did the cams & chains Right (meaning putting gears instead of that horrible chain or belt system).

[@thomasjackson3833]

I want a 351 Windsor in a Daytona so bad, after college that will be mine!!

[@ItsDaJax]

I always wanted to see a performance comparison between two Cobras, same drivetrain, but one with a fiberglass body and an aluminum body, and with the irs and live axle.

[@bic1498]

Something not discussed in the video, but you need to consider when choosing an engine is the logistics of getting it into the car. The 302w block is best, size-wise, for fitting into an engine bay. After that, the 351w (I did some footbox mods to get better access to the DS plugs), then it's a toss-up between the mod motors and the FE. After that, you need to consider what transmission not only will bolt to your engine, but will fit and still have some driveshaft with whichever rear axle you use (solid 8.8 or 15+ IRS). And by the way, you can get a T5 rated to go behind your 500+hp engine. It just needs the right internals (Super Alloy/Astro). And for you Chevy nay-sayers, just remember that Carroll went to GM for engines first. Problem was they didn't want his cars competing with their Corvettes (and beating them). A GM engine is actually his original concept!

[@zakstev]

I seem to remember using a 351 Windsor block with Boss heads in my Tiger. Special fit-up bolts were available from Ford. Would that fit in the Cobra?

[@deusizrwild]

Awesome information, this form is hands down better than any website update please use this format from now on . Question: LS7 7.0 L 820 HP turn key supercharged twin screw positive displacement In GTM Drivability? For skilled driver That said Dangerous engine requires continuous concentration 250 KPH 5th gear Breaks loose if u drop foot 6 pot front brakes 8 pot rear Stops as fast as it accurate No nose dive Every brace except on engine Only issue is trac type F1 steering wheel excellent fir high speed corners Not so goid if u kook back on highway and turn wheel 1 inch to much 90 • turn I love to drive touring your beautiful country is addictive Canadian roads suck Winter sucks My new winter home in Huntington Beach ❤️🇺🇸 Canadian aftermarket tuners suck In Canada if u don’t buy dealer issue car Ur walking I can’t wait to get my GTM U referred me to canadian builder All in max tech build with real carbon fibre overlay on GTM Show room winner Onky $150 k Labour All parts are factory new vette I want automatic for Tour car My want is cannonball run car My daily driver is a 525 WHP straight 6 3.0 L 2015 M54 Blue printed Ported polished heads Aggressive cam nit sure spec But in any gear any speed it spools you 8 k instantly Fly by wire replaced with cable to 90 mm mustang throttle body Built by VAC Motorsports 2.3 L twin screw lysholm super charger Laminova cores in intake EMT sensors AEM ems Short shift 5speed 245 /35r19 front 295 /r35 19 rear All in a e36 subframe Ethanol water injection Enormous oil cooler Oil baffles Cereal gauge X pipe exhaust into 3” Magnaflow muffler 2x3” resinator before muffler 345 limited slip

[@jasonjones846]

Great info! Very bipartisan on the choices and the most thorough video on these cars I’ve seen. After watching, I’m not sure if it’s easier to make a choice or harder tho, 😂🤷🏻‍♂️. I guess budget is a factor to consider as well. For me maybe a cammed 5.0 FI would be a good choice. Do you sell kits that the customer can build themselves?

[@Eidrian111]

Thanks for the video it was great! It’s a shame that you don’t ship to Mexico. I would love to build one.

[@ECThomas89]

Planning to build a Daytona next summer! Praying the GTM sticks around long enough for me to work up to one! Really wanna see a GTM with a 3.5ecoboost power plant!

[@jasonklassen6503]

I've been kicking that idea around ever since I bought my 2019 F 150! The 3.5 EcoBoost is a little monster

[@John1911]

I think I’d like the 235 motor. I’m looking for drivability and “using” most of the engine on the street. I’ve had a twin turbo V-8. That’s cool, but I suspect a smaller engine would be more fun winding up. That’s what I’m looking for. Nobody would ever see my engine at a cars and coffee anyway.

[@dongforever9706]

I have the 306 with blueprint heads it’s a fantastic motor fastback 67 RWHP is 290 on the dyno 600 Holley

[@kitkimbrough9441]

I'm a little set back from my heroes, I'm waiting to hear about the 4.6 , an engine that I have in my build, and nothing!?,....no mention of it at all, an Ls,.....wth!??...I'm lost and really wished that I didn't watch this, I really have so much respect, and inspiration from you guys, but thought the 4.6 cobra motor should've been on the list, and curious why it wasn't, You guys helped me change my life with this build, and appreciate all that you've done, and are!!...But .......damm.....!!

[@trikael]

Just...Awesome. Thanks!!!

[@knightmare1015]

The formula for picking the correct carburetor is as follows: C.i.D. multiplied by Maximum RPM's = Answer then you take your answer and divide it by 3456. I'll do one example so you will understand how it works. 351 * 6500 = 2,281,500 divided by 3456 = 660.1. So this means that a Holley 670 Sreet Avenger Carburetor would be perfect for that engine and combined with an Edlebrock performer air gap manifold, it should be extremely reliable and start up just about everytime even in cold weather. Holley uses this very same formula to select carbs for their crate engines.

[@mchristr]

Easy choice for me. Windsor roller block, 427w stroker kit, good flowing heads, mild roller hyd. roller cam. and a carb-style fuel injection. Simple, reliable, tons of torque for the street.

[@BKMDano17]

Honorable mention should have been the Ford 460 that factory five had on the cover of kit car magazine 20 years ago. If you're looking for sound, look no further. Had one years ago looking to have one in the future

[@bobnoblesjr.465]

That 427 is music to my ears!

[@dougford5691]

Great info and content.

[@richardkilmer2661]

Love the FEs! Kinda curious why he hates top loaders behind them. Any ideas?

[@outperformancelife3145]

I would like the original designed 289 CI because Caroll Shelby said that when they put the 427 in the Daytona Cobra, they lost agility and performance. I just watched the lost interview footage. But I would go with the 4.7 too because they are the same size as the 289. Or the Aluminator Ford Racing engine.

[@av8rk9]

Wish you'd do a similar plus and minus of your different kits.

[@calvinweekley6784]

The 36 pick-up in blue is real nice it match my tool box

[@nuevototem]

VERY COOL VIDEO! PLEASE MAKE MORE! SHOW THE CARS! SHOW MORE TECH VIDEOS! THANKS!

[@RSDX99]

Big block Fe's will impress everybody at the car shows, The Coyote will impress everybody at the road course open track days. and for all out road racing a 358CI Cup motor will kick everybody's ass. The question is do you want a cobra that looks fast or do you want one that is fast? Agree on the 363 Ford Dart or Ford Boss best power and HP and for sound will drown out everything else.

[@CraigCatapano]

Watching this video in July 2021.... Curious for an updated video.. The predetor motor is available in a crate as well as the Godzilla motor.. Can you do an updated video?

[@thomasnwilcox4537]

Hay guy's great video, you guy's talked about all the Ford engines option and GM option and even Dodge options too, but there's a lot of hipe on the Mazda rotory engine's like the 2 rotor, and 3 rotor, and Rob Dahm's 4 rotor engine and he's also has a 6 rotor engine, Would there be any chance of these engine options available? Thank you for your graet video

[@AndrewBurtonS-group]

wow that 427 old school I love it

[@johnambro7181]

Hands down the regular 302 carb and a t5, fun and cheap. Although a 347 would scratch me the right way also.

[@Peter.A-A]

Hi Factory Five Racing. I was glad to see this video end the way you present it. Very inspiring. Sorry that you did not run the blue nr.14 car at 6:28, with the two up-standing carps. It looks awsome, and as you mention, it looks "Ferrari" style. Btw. would it be possible to do a "Ferrari" like engine, high rev. ? or are the Ferrari engines so much different from US V8 engines that it can not be copied?

[@owenkey4010]

I've often wondered the same about the Ferrari-derived Maserati engines.