Failed Roller Coaster Inversion - Maverick's "Heartline" Roll

[@dindog22]

and Cedar Point ended up selling 2 inch chunks of that death roll for $300 a pop in their gift shops. I'm glad you explained the difference between Maverick's roll and Velocicoaster's

[@patrickomeara3700]

I thought the track was found in a field in Ohio a couple years back

[@KyleJPie10]

@@patrickomeara3700 it was. But they finally scrapped it and sold it to collectors.

[@dindog22]

@@patrickomeara3700 it was. they apparently procured it at some point and decided to chop it up and sell it. they were selling it this past summer in the gift shops. they really hyped it up but I don't think it sold the way they thought it would. I am interested to see if they're still selling it this coming summer. personally I think $300 is a little steep for and old chunk of track

[@tobynormoyle637]

@@dindog22 It sold quick at first, especially for the ones that had Sander's signature. I think it was too expensive and there were about 30 or so left over after the first day. I got one and am happy to have it, but I was disappointed it was only an inch of track as opposed to 1.5 inches like the Vortex ones were. It did come in a very nice box when compared to the others. Here's hoping Anaconda slices go up for sale at KD soon!

[@couch2558]

​@@dindog22 we were there day of when they did the sale (purely by chance, we were already there and heard about it and mourned our chance at shorter lines 😂) and there definitely were extra people there and some craziness at the front. But there wasn't nearly as much as we were expecting. Frankly by the end of the day i almost forgot it happened.

[@Rexcelsior3000]

I always thought of the Mosasaurs roll as the "spiritual successor" to the Maverick heartline roll.

[@VECTOR_Coasters]

its the marverick roll but actually designed well

[@ilikerollercoasters4757]

I was literally thinking the exact same thing

[@Sir_collosuss]

​@VECTOR_Coasters The maverick roll is smth I would do in pc2 when I'm trying to kill a guest

[@Meatball2022]

That roll on velocicoaster is one of the more tame elements on the ride

[@jellyclark1429]

@@Meatball2022have you ever ridden velocicoaster? it’s such an incredibly whippy and amazing moment on the ride

[@CoastingThePlanet]

Gotta love when Ryan drops a nerdy banger of a video with no warning lol

[@rct2nerd]

I imagine that the roll would be more painful that thrilling.

[@leeriffee4606]

Yes, especially with the old style hard OTSRs!

[@aridaje4345]

Agree!

[@brycefourn2001]

Good call that they removed it before Maverick's opening date. (May 26th, 2007)

[@enfynet]

​@@brycefourn2001they delayed the opening date in order to remove it.

[@mmax9340]

This type of content is LEGENDARY!! Those infamous, haunting elements / moments on roller coasters that are no longer with us are soo intresting. Maybe a video about the time, when Everland had one of the most epic one two punches in the world with t express and eagles fortress? I always wondered how many block-zones eagles fortress had...

[@ekmatt1607]

Maverick with a retrofitted Mosa-Death Roll would immediately deliver an experience rivaling Velocicoaster with relatively low expenditure from the park! Personally, it would solidify Cedar Point as THE coaster park after a bit of faltering in the immediate aftermath of the merger. If you could pull any strings (or frankly just keep pushing the idea tbh) you’d be beyond GOATed

[@kevanromero]

I think the most impressive part is that the president of the company essentially put his money where his mouth is and tested it himself. Respect.

[@steelvengeanceevan3637]

been waiting for this since the maverick problematic coasters vid. getting my popcorn right now.

[@masonfeagan8678]

I have always been fascinated by this profiling on Maverick, in particular--thank you for breaking it down! Your knowledge is greatly appreciated.

[@ShayyTV]

The forces were indeed probably too much, but it's also worth noting that Maverick opened with those absolutely putrid and uncomfortable hard OTS restraints (the ones Cheetah Hunt still has for some reason) and I'm sure that did not help on rider comfort through the element. I'd love to see them add another take on the roll like you suggested, the Mosasaurus roll is maybe the single best element I've ever experienced on a coaster and Maverick getting a version of that would be incredible!!

[@harisguhdija9734]

Those restraints are insanely uncomfortable if you are slightly above average height

[@ShayyTV]

@@harisguhdija9734 Yup - I'm 6'4. Maverick went from being an unbearably uncomfortable ride to being one of the best in the park just by the restraint change. It really amazes me how much restraints can singlehandedly make or break a ride

[@g_way]

Hey, I didn't know you were also a coaster nerd! Cool to see you here. :-)

[@harisguhdija9734]

@@ShayyTV I’m 5’11 and 3/4 so basically 6ft lol and Cheetah Hunt is really uncomfortable. I have to put my hands under the shoulder restraints whenever there is -g

[@ShayyTV]

@ Yeah it was a one and done for me because of it. Really glad Intamin is just going full lap bar on everything nowadays because I'm not sure they've ever made a good OTS restraint lol Even the Maverick/i305 restraints are merely just okay as is

[@Phant0m0321]

Cedar Point looks like such a great park. Maybe I'll be able to go up to there one day.

[@jackbarnhart7394]

The lines are long and while maverick is incredible, the other rides are not worth the wait imo

[@jackbarnhart7394]

(steve and mili are forceless)

[@protowave]

don't listen to this kid replying to you, the other coasters are mostly fantastic and you'll have a great time assuming you get fast lane

[@limivanter]

Insane take lol, though I am a bit biased as Steel Vengeance is my favorite coaster of all time haha. Steve and Millennium are fantastic rides, and there’s plenty to appreciate about Gemini, Gatekeeper, Valravn, etc. As far as coaster lineups go, it’s pretty well-rounded!

[@Red--Moon]

@@jackbarnhart7394 Lol, lmao even.

[@plighting_engineerd]

Great video, amazing analysis! This is why we love your channel

[@Terihawki]

I haven’t watched your channel in forever and I just watched the Maverick Problematic Coasters video yesterday! What timing!

[@Cheeseburger-pov]

I’ve been waiting for another video, this is worth it

[@JAXXNCREATED]

I'll always be grateful that we have video of the roll in action

[@coasterexplorers1972]

So that’s why I experienced upside down ejector airtime on velocicoaster! I have always wondered why bc the profile of the roll doesn’t look to have any kinks! Great explanation!

[@firstflowerinspace]

I remember seeing the pictures of Maverick’s track in the field and thinking how ridiculously tight that looked compared to the mosa roll. It looked as tight as a roll on an invert, but coming in straight. Still wanted to try it as someone who really is a fan of aggressive snaps on a rollercoaster. I think it would have diminished the Stengel dive though. It’s fascinating to know the mosa still is not an exact heartline, but on purpose, and a way that’s comfortable to riders. I think the airtime right ahead of it also gives it such a unique jump into the roll where if you’re lucky you are still floating through the whole roll. Both my top number one and number 2 favorite coasters ❤🩵

[@kentslocum]

Wow; this was an excellent presentation--well explained and clearly narrated! I'm not a rollercoaster nerd, but even I could understand this video. Thank you for making this. 😊

[@joeskis]

Glad to see I've ridden every coaster mentioned in this video. Makes it more fun to relate. I like those, what I call, prelude rolls featured in Hydra and Copperhead.

[@chrisogrady28]

Thank you I'm so glad someone is mentioning this isn't a heartline roll, I haven't watched the rest of the video yet to know if you mention it, but this kind of 270° underflip is more similar to the mosasorous roll and the roll near the end of Toutatis

[@baulzzzzzzz2278]

This is peak coaster content

[@SpiceShorts640]

I never knew that! keep up the work!

[@jonathanmorgan8064]

Not to mention that velocicoaster only has lap bars, so the mosasaurs roll really feels like your gonna fly out the ride

[@soylentbob6725]

The you professor ElToroRyan. As always you provide the best education for us.

[@rocketduck413]

Fascinating watch! Thank You for quality edutainment.

[@sumrbrkk4914]

man, i never considered the forces aside from laterals - you’re 100% right, when i consider how ridiculous the negatives were, i wouldn’t even get CLOSE to that

[@JJJJ-he8bz]

That roll looks like it would breaks someone’s neck

[@interstellarsurfer]

It probably did.

[@ronaldburk115]

JJJJ-he8bz, yes your right, fast snap can be best seen from camera view looking from behind, but on camera view from the front it looks very innocent -LOL, I don't see the snap on that view. agree?

[@nfcoasterferg]

With those original hard orange OTSRs that thing would've been painful as hell. You'd SLAM your head into that hard orange bar.

[@leeriffee4606]

That's exactly what I was thinking...I got a pretty brutal headbanging on Maverick many years ago (well, one ride was OK but the second was horrible - the headbanging was worse in the front from my experience) without that element being present.

[@michael_bauer]

I'd say the Blue Fire heartline roll is the closest to this one, and it came only 2 years after Maverick :)

[@wolfieeeee256]

indeed and also the only other coaster design to share a twisted horseshoe roll like maverick!!

[@Lrpyro]

but way slower

[@BackRowCoasters]

Yeah and the blue fire roll pulls -1.65 gs so I can’t imagine what mavericks heartline roll was

[@mikewalker4950]

Considering that this was Intamins crazy era where they had no issue with -1.5g, I would have to guess this thing was closer to the neighborhood of -2g and combined with the whip was just too much for almost everyone. Would still totally volunteer to experience it though.

[@JeremyCoasters]

Looks insane! Maverick is one of my favourite coasters! I have a slice of the heartline roll sitting on my desk!

[@dreamy.reader52]

Really?! You bought a piece of the track?! Good for you, where do you keep it?

[@Harambe-on-discord]

@@dreamy.reader52 … on his desk 😂

[@dreamy.reader52]

@@Harambe-on-discord Well, that must be temporary. You can't just have a piece of roller coaster track sitting on your working desk

[@svis6888]

The mythical heartline roll

[@keithchristner4522]

I feel like, at least according to your original documentary on Maverick, Intamin knew that element was going to be too forceful. They already had the replacement piece of that track already fabricated, so it didn't take them very long to swap it out.

[@joelklein8532]

your videos are so well done! Thank you!

[@varukasalt]

My neck hurts just watching that.

[@walterandclaude]

Coaster enthusiasts often over look the dangers of excessive negative Gs.

[@nategoeslive]

Great video as always Ryan! Thank you!!

[@tdcamp03]

When I first experienced the Mosasaurus Roll I went in without any knowledge and immediately knew it wasn’t heartlines like a normal heartline roll

[@billkeithchannel]

Need more -cowbell- block sections!

[@sqoomsh]

"Problematic funny roller coaster inversions" is just so funny, that is, that it even can sustain a series 😂

[@SnowghostFilms]

Finally, someone else who agrees it wasn’t a proper “Heartline” Roll

[@JdogProductions7911]

As you were explaining maverick's roll's physics, I though to myself that seems awfully similar to velocicoaster's, then boom you get into that part of the video

[@XscreamThrills]

I continue to hold out hope that Cedar Point will update that section of track with an improved heartline roll. 🙃

[@SkeledroMan]

They learned from their mistakes when making iSpeed's layout. the first downward heartline roll on that is an extremely fast snap too, but profiled going downwards so that there's less airtime than on maverick's heartline roll.

[@maxhagenauer24]

I want to marathon Maverick with that roll, no element is too intense for me.

[@jackbarnhart7394]

same

[@Westkid3057]

If you've been on Intimidator 305, you can handle anything

[@maxhagenauer24]

@Westkid3057 I haven't been on I305 but I have been on Maverick after the heartline roll and other intense rides like inverts, none of them were ever too intense for me, I love the most intensity one can have.

[@Westkid3057]

@@maxhagenauer24 I305 is good. If you like intensity, you'd love it

[@interstellarsurfer]

See you in intensive care. 😉👍

[@fireflyfox93]

I rode Maverick on opening day and it is still one of my favorite rides ever. I kind of wish I could experience that removed section, purely out of curiosity.

[@BackRowCoasters]

I always thought it didn’t look like it was heartlined at all so I never knew why it was called that

[@lukekibbles]

I needed this one today

[@cyhawks]

me too

[@tonedpeter]

I've been saying that that thing looks like it isn’t heartlined for a LONG time, good to see people agree!!

[@FaceRippedOff]

Looks like it would have been ridiculous lol. Those snaps are already gnarly af

[@geekweidman]

All your videos are awesome ❤❤❤❤

[@harisguhdija9734]

Was just going to mention the death roll on Iron Gwazi, which was a very interesting feeling maneuver. I didn’t watch any povs before riding so I didn’t even realize it was in there until my 2nd or third ride through. I wonder how mavericks would have felt.

[@Borchyn]

Cool video about my favorite coaster. Thanks!

[@ametrinefirebird7125]

They built an injury machine. And that rider knew it. Even in the proposal CG animation, it looks like what happens when an alligator latches onto prey and rolls about super quick to maim and disable its meal. Death roll simulator, lol!!

[@d.j.klefeker9207]

Always love watching your videos man 😎. P.S. No block brakes section 😢?

[@Shadowshot93]

The heartline overlay was so helpful! I don't think I would've noticed the hill without it

[@Enkidu-4U]

Sah, dudes! Yo. Speaking on Intamin. There aren't a whole lot of people covering Falcons Flight. From my understanding, the track was completed 3 months ago back in October, and no one has anything more to share on KZbin. I can't find much. It would really boost your channel to cover it more. This coaster is stupid, and they actually freakin' built it. I don't see anyone spending that much money or more to try to out crazy it.

[@alphawinnergx9127]

It reminds me of Blue fire final roll as well as Toutatis final roll. Both inversions are really snappy and forceful.

[@Flyboy_73]

Got to ride Maverick for the first time this past year and it definitely lives up to the hype. Not sure about how I think the roll would’ve felt. I’m just saddened that it’s not in there to experience.

[@WatchfulWRollercoaster]

That ride is a awesome thrill! ❤️

[@RyTrapp0]

I desperately wish I got to feel the sensations of the 'death roll'😂

[@DustyKneezz]

Nice! An alpengeist cobra roll mention

[@samuelitooooo]

My takeaway is this was less "heartline roll" and more "inline twist". Also looks like the twist was way too tight for the speed it was taking. I wonder whether it was possible to have the same twist but more spread out, despite sitting in between two banked curves. EDIT: I had this thought before watching at 8:09 lol. At least we're in agreement there.

[@Bandit5317]

Having ridden Velocicoaster and looking at this comparison, Sandor Kernacs absolutely made the right call. The Mosasaurus roll is loaded with ejector airtime and, even though it looks gentle from outside the ride, is very disorienting. More so than even the death roll on Iron Gwazi. Maverick's death roll looks twice as fast as Velocicoaster's. I imagine it would've been outright painful.

[@ajwilson1985]

This was a banger and you right 2027 re-profiling with the heart line roll where you said would be awesome but that Intamin relationship is weird these days

[@happycoasterdad]

Great video - thank you!

[@aBadBurger]

Why the hell did they do that to intimidator 305 😢 1:08

[@JerseyDevils21]

Probably to fit more with the africa theme of the area, i305 is still a wicked name though

[@Historybluff1986]

First time I rode Maverick I could swear it had about 6 inversions. Was very surprised when I learned it was only 2.

[@daniel.909]

I haven't been on it but I think the spiral on Top Thrill 2 might have some similar sensations, since the element was designed for the original trains with a much lower rider position the heartline now with the higher trains would probably have a similar effect on getting ejector airtime. I did hear a lot of comments about the spiral being significantly more intense compared to Dragster, would be curious how this sort of engineering would compare on a roll like Maverick or Velocicoaster's compared to that vertical spiral

[@KirstinRN]

This was very interesting, especially since I’ve been on the Maverick! I can’t imagine that heartline roll would be fun as it snaps you back upright - looks so crazy! I’m glad they thought to remove it before it’s opening!

[@DAZARI0]

i would call it a butt-line role. i knew way back when they announced it and released the maverick animation that the rotational axis is below the rider, not at the heartline and it would be way too intense. i wish they would have reprofiled it to make it a true heartline and not something that would slam riders into the restraints at probably close to -3 gs at that speed.

[@Daniel_Coasters]

YO HE POSTED!!!!!!!!! It’s gonna be a good day!

[@Darkage-io4sl]

Honestly if its anything like the mosasaurus roll i probably wouldn't like it. I like intense Rollercoasters but the roll was one of the most uncomfortable elements ive ever been on.

[@LTCoasters]

I still think I would have wanted to try it once. Hydra I was so high up in the restraint I thought I was going to fall out anyway. It is a lot of fun.

[@butterfingersman]

awesome video!

[@adamakef]

What did the guy who rode it think about the heartline roll?

[@SeddieWeddie]

Trains: “Heartline Roll 1 is too intense for me.”

[@PatrickKirkOKC]

If a guy who builds roller coasters for a living says an element is 'too much', I will take his word for it.

[@coasterconquest]

I have a slice of that death roll sitting right here with me! haha Love Maverick!

[@TripBloggers]

That’s my favorite element on Velocicoaster.

[@Pipers]

Velocicoaster #1, Maveric (without holding the handles) #2. Velocicoaster is what finally got me to say nice things about UO again after they closed Dueling Dragons. Maveric keeps me a pass holder.

[@sdrowlette]

The Jurassic coaster is a blast!

[@belacickekl7579]

I wonder if the death roll's lateral gs exerted too much force on the running wheel's surfaces. That's a lot of torsion impulse that the side runners and upstop wheels have to both generate and stop.

[@donkeyentertain]

I don’t know if I’ve heard it elsewhere but I remember in your problematic coasters video mentioning that Intamin manufactured the replacement track proactively. Would be real interested in the backstory there - if that was always the plan and it was designed to be replaced, who was pushing for the original inversion, or if they discovered late in design/manufacturing (or after testing) that it might be an issue and decided to do that.

[@stevemeinecke5240]

❤I absolutely love that ride I saw no problem with that

[@floffycatto6475]

This is my thing... If I were to make a comeback to riding rollercoasters some day, I'd have to make a list of which ones won't give me whiplash or some kind of injury with my fibromyalgia, then only ride those rollercoasters. It would probably be Knott's if anything... I probably can't ride Ghostrider, although I heard it's smoother now. I can definitely ride Montezuma's Revenge. No idea what else is there now as it's been over a decade.

[@TheAlternateYT]

Everyrime I hear people talk about the velocicoaster roll I never here anyone talk about the roll on maxx force. Is that roll hearlined in a way that there is no airtime?

[@rietauge5082]

Just wanna point out that there is a heartline roll like the Mosasaurus roll on another Intamin: Toutatis at Parc Astérix ! And this one also acts like an inverted airtime hill and the forces can be visualized on this video capturing all the forces of the coaster: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmK9fmqBa8aAq8k&ab_channel=CoasterStats And to have riden it multiple times, I really love the snapiness of this element with the amount of lat and air it delivers! I truly love how Intamin decided to go on and retry this element because it truly adds a lot to the coaster, just like the roll on Velocicoaster does. If Intamin had succeeded this element on Maverick back in the day, the coaster would have been a beast of thrills, more than it currently is!

[@BigMeef]

Jazz-up is and underrated phrase. Like wiggin out

[@dominicjannazo7144]

my wild pitch: intensity switch track Instead of a normal switch track, have an element on a ride, like Maverick's roll, that is only added to the layout for the last few hours of the day, or for special events. Just sliiiide over the normal track and slide in the wild element

[@ParkVisions]

Great vid Ryan, this one inversion always got me hooked and wanted to know more about how everything went down. Thanks for the detailed long vid!🙌🎢

[@manicplanet5223]

“Was removed prior to it being opened” and I’ve heard that it was removed due to the forces on the train

[@jackbarnhart7394]

that would've been soo fun + kept the lines down... it might have put this above I305 in my rankings

[@thehawknelsonfreak]

i still think they should have kept it, and just put it on a switch track. Keep it on the normal s bend but do a once a year thoosie event wehere you switch it on, make people sign a waiver, and wait with a bucket outside the exit.

[@johnarmstrong6227]

Yeah, that looks brutal.

[@sdean1978]

It would be great if CP brought back the death roll for the 20th anniversary, but since they've parted ways with Intimin that seems highly unlikely.

[@rbruch98]

So, the 'deathroll' looks quick like the... "pancake flip" on Aerieforce One - the element as you come out of the overbanked turn and into a double-up before the quad-down. I believe the profiling is such that there is *very slight* negative G's while inverted, but you're also experiencing a very strange combination of laterals at the same time... It's not that it's particularly intense but it's incredibly disorienting.

[@KenKilgore777]

I rode that the week it opened. Glad that wasn’t there

[@spentron1]

A really hangy inversion was the rolls on Volcano, it just dumped you over. The Mosasaurus roll doesn't look that unnatural. Maverick's roll was over 1G of hangtime with poor seperation of twisting and hanging forces.

[@sairosekk]

Paused the video at 6:32 to say this before you might say it. Would it have worked if they stretched it out and it wasn't so short?

[@flaffstar_99]

The heartline wasn't really heartlining, that's the main problem