Fair Argument Against "Systemic Racism".

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Content is taken from Coleman Hughes' interview on the Rubin Report ~ Link below:
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[@shaktishaker]

The best way to enslave someone is to teach them that they are a victim

[@JC-li8kk]

Who should I give credit to when I use this quote?

[@jameswood6121]

Great comment

[@mauiblack1068]

If I like how a cake taste I look at the ingredients to find out how it was made. As a black man who is in the top 10 percent of earners in the country let me tell you what systematic racism is to me, how and why it still exist today. First, I will say that yes, for the most part anyone can become anything in America regardless of your skin color, but there is an underlying issue that goes with that premise. The issue starts with the past and how the black community was shaped through slavery ,then Jim crow and further with laws that put the black community the dire straights that it is. For example, in 1921 there was a town in Tusla, Oklahoma aka Black wall street where there was a thriving black community with over 600 black owned businesses, hospitals, planes and so on and so forth. It was burned to the ground by the kkk and the united states government. Imagine the generational wealth that was lost. Imagine what that does to a community. The system did that. The racism did that. Link available here. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rl6spaaGd7l5hZI Next. What did redlining do to our community. You should look it up to see how it helped whites gain wealth through their properties but bankrupted black people with unfair loan practices. The system did that. The racism did that. Who killed MLK. The system, The racism. Who labeled the Black panther party a terrorist group who were only sticking up and trying to help the black community. The system did that, the racism did that. Who poured drugs in the community and guns into the community. The system did that, the racism did that. The black family was literally torn apart. Our black leaders were all killed and then the rappers were given a microphone to take their place. What happened to the black community was a deliberate and calculated attack on it. Look up the 13th amendment. You cant have slaves and free labor so the next best thing is to jail black men to get the same result. I could go on and on and on and on about how systematic racism shaped the state of mind of the black community today but i will stop here.

[@Savvynomad225]

@@mauiblack1068 when you wake up in the morning and see that your hair is messy by looking into the mirror, do you then comb the reflection you see in the mirror to fix it? Constantly looking outside the actual problems for solutions to them is a bad place to find them, because your hair will still be messy. With your examples given, your focus is directly on past victim scenarios, which are negative and we all regret that they've occurred, but in today's America the only way anyone remains a victim is by believing they are one. There's far too many examples of wildly successful black Americans to justify retaining a viewpoint that the system is fundamentally holding them down on purpose despite what choices they each individually make. If anything, the actual problem is the system is giving them too much in some cases and they are learning to be helpless, which happens to many (regardless of race or ethnic background) who get caught in the cycle of learned helplessness caused by handouts. Fun fact: over the last 100 years and to this day, the most targeted race for violence and unfair treatment has been the Jews, but nobody talks about that. Weird.

[@leggyblonde11]

@@mauiblack1068 A few obvious things: White people force black people to buy and take drugs? NO Guns? NO Don't belittle your brothers and sisters by acting like they can't decide for themselves if they want to take drugs or carry weapons. If white people refused to sell to black people, how would that feel? Better, or still systemically racist..? 🤔 A group that did carry weapons: Black Panthers -who WERE out to cause domestic terror, as a means to enforce their will (like Antifa..) Co-founder Huey Newton was a viciously violent psychopath and crack addict, with Marxist ideals. There IS some truth in what you are saying about historical racism, but can you name a current racist policy? America is not now systemically racist. Every human carries bias in their heart (black people too), and I've seen people of ALL colours that are biased against other groups, but for the most part, people just see people, and want to treat everyone fairly.

[@zayinghui6282]

It’s funny how the most intelligent most accomplished and most brilliant black people say that you can do anything, there’s no one out to get you, the mysterious systematic racism is not there. But people don’t want to hear that because it takes hard work, culture change, and a huge amount of self belief.

[@danielallman6616]

It takes that to succeed in all Races. But this guy is right on point.

[@zayinghui6282]

Daniel Allman I know but specifically the black race don’t realize the biggest problem right now is themselves

[@danielallman6616]

@@zayinghui6282 Correct

[@theresonly1kidd29]

zaying Hui , great point. You’ve also summarized the conservative message as opposed to the liberal message. If people actually knew what conservatives believe, instead of listening to how the media defines them.....most people would identify as conservative.

[@mmazz414]

This comment and this thread are on point.

[@hanklesacks]

I refuse to let anyone tell me i’m a victim, it’s a repulsive mindset.

[@b.marieglasgow7680]

Obviously, "victim" is negatively charged. I prefer to use the word CLAIMANT. And I will not be shamed out of suing for what I am owed: JUSTICE, RESPECT, REPARATIONS.

[@robertcherry7190]

It is a wicked psychology. With that said, there was a time when black folk were killed for reading.

[@TommyMartinezpt]

God bless you brother

[@Will_Moffett]

So if someone took all your money you would just pretend they actually didn't?

[@TommyMartinezpt]

@@Will_Moffett you should read a book called "who moved my cheese" it's the best way for you to maybe understand the concept of what's being said here and not misrepresented it as victim blaming.

[@ivanwong8281]

Joe Biden be like: This guy ain't black

[@weedayna]

and trump be like, i dont want this guy counting my money

[@dustin3596]

@@weedayna trump's not racist

[@SuperBlahMonster]

Dustin He’s not racist but you’ll never be able to change that perception when media shoves that racist narrative down everyone’s throats constantly.

[@Prolificx]

@@dustin3596 We don't know if he is or isn't racist. I wouldn't call him a racist but I have no grounds to defend him from being one either.

[@hieroprotoganist3440]

That what being not an ist is. You wouldn't call a baby a murderer but have no grounds to defend him/her from being one either.

[@TheProcrastinator1]

This is true. I am a Jamaican living in America. And Jamaicans are taught how important education is from the day they enter school life it is an emphasis. "Education is better than silver and gold".

[@floriva5877]

mario k same I’m Indian and parents taught this too

[@ragamuffinhooligan4019]

General Powell had said it was understood that he had to go to college!

[@amal-ti2zz]

Well, was gonna say "welcome to America" 😊, but you didnt specify if you've already been living here for 10 years, lol

[@yamahantx7005]

I grew up in Canada. The difference that I can see between black americans and blacks elsewhere is that only in america do we condone single mothers and disdain for education.

[@amal-ti2zz]

@@yamahantx7005 Interesting I've certainly seen in my experience a diminishment in the conviction in the importance of education in urban areas as well, regardless of race; one of my sisters prior boyfriends once said "fuck books" *facepalm*

[@room2growrose623]

I am one of those children, child of Jamaican mother, and he is spot on. I never thought my race would hold me back. It was NEVER a conversation in my house.

[@mxrriweather]

same, im Nigerian and I grew up in the uk. my parents never told me that I was going to experience hardships because of the colour of my skin, they only told me that hard work gets rewarded :)

[@andreweden9405]

@Ken Cheek , Also don't forget, the video is talking about 2nd generation people of African descent. Whether or not these people's parents were subjected to racism in the "old country" has nothing to do with the fact that their children, who are now American, are: A. More successful; and B. Don't blame racism for their success, or lack thereof. So, the conclusions being cited by the Jamaican-American gentleman here pretty well render your whole premise moot.

[@chilledxaura]

Ken Cheek can you name three racists in your community for me please? Racism exists everywhere and can’t really be extinguished. But don’t teach people that the racists are controlling you and stopping you from succeeding. Racism exists everywhere

[@chilledxaura]

Ken Cheek how do trumps stickers indicate racism😭your generalizations are hurting america

[@chrissmith8019]

@Ken Cheek there is only ONE RACE! PEOPLE ARE ETHNICISTS NOT racists. Like Dr. Alveda King says "One Blood"!

[@watchthe1369]

I remember a black college coach chewing out one of his kids in front of me "Never EVER hide behind your skin. That is no excuse for anything you fail at. Figure out a way around the obstacle be it animal ,racist asshole, vegetable, or mineral. Do not blame, just find out what you can and cannot do because of your own talents and limits. NO ONE else's"

[@araeshkigal]

Bet he's been retired or fired by now :(

[@watchthe1369]

@@araeshkigal He expect his residence is the cemetary.

[@rayboish]

As Thomas Sowell once said " you dont even get equal outcomes from siblings in the same family let alone cultural group " It's

[@bobdole6640]

Lol. Astronauts are almost all first-born kids :)

[@umno9830]

It’s what? Wtf is your comment cut halfway

[@perspectiveflip]

"You're responsible for your own success" HOW DARE YOU

[@twis8653]

Is that supposed to be a joke or is that serious I'm confused?

[@filibertogarced]

I am literally shaking right now. This is a clear display of cis white male privilege. Because you had it easy. All white people are born rich and never struggled. I AM A VICTIM!!!!! (Downloading sarcasm 78%)

[@twis8653]

@@filibertogarced Saying that all white people are born rich is not true. Is that a joke tho?

[@izzysavage4634]

@@twis8653 Everything that people are saying in this comment section is a joke

[@twis8653]

@@izzysavage4634 ok thx

[@monkeytrollhunter]

Isn't it pathetic that we have to spend so much time explaining something that should be self-explanatory because politically interested people will just simply ignore or twist the facts out of convenience, in order to fit their political narrative?

[@dr.vonslifeinvesting6485]

moon_disaster no doubt

[@mmmmmfishsticks]

That's how the liberals feel. They feel like they are a victim in all their parents and own poor life decions, blaming others. Then democrats want votes and the "righteous side", so who is better than people/groups who group think, teach the younger generation, intimidate/bully others into silence/joining, and "magnify" the Republican's stance of systemic oppression (make it as if the party voters are for oppression based on skin color).

[@ateam388]

Don’t forget to add how youtube is censoring comments that speak the truth. We are being manipulated by the media with a one sided agenda.

[@perplexedbystander4083]

Exactly. And isn't it pathetic that black people have to educate Americans on the years of oppression which leads to racial inequality that should be self-explanatory after reading a grade school history book? Because politically interested people will simply ignore facts, history, and personal accounts out of convenience of not having to critically think, empathize, and realize we need to grow as a country? It's like some people do not believe in the Declaration of Independence 🤔

[@ateam388]

Perplexed Bystander What racial inequality. America is open for all who want it . Go get it. I I have black friends who make a hell of a lot more money than I do. Just go get it. No one is stopping anyone. I am rooting for you and every person of any color. Make it happen. Careful what politicians put in your head. Just do it!

[@johnbravo1034]

This is what we need; educated discussions rather than emotionally-based rants.

[@mrillis9259]

KZbin scholars have been better educated than the commie league university students.

[@kahaneck]

Ben Shapiro. Jordan Peterson. All they do is put fancy words and nonfacts together for the incoherent troglodites. He sounds educated because he speaks in a calm and collected manner, but its just deceitful. Akin to those actors hired by climate change deniers to give scientific testimonies. Where is his data? Where is his research? All you can find is a bunch of opinions, afterall he is a columnist. Also, this is not a discussion, theres no back and forth in search for solutions... this is just a guy telling you that theres no problem at all and you are not alone in this CONVICTION. Just take a look at the right corner of your screen. Welcome to the echo chamber.

[@tgibbons]

Way to tone police

[@Doubledunk]

kahaneck you’re not entirely wrong but way to discredit the point he’s trying to make. Just read any good ‘self-help’ book and they will say the same thing. E.g. Having strong victim mentality you identify closely with is one of the worst you can have in terms of ‘success’ and makes you easily emotionally manipulated by anyone who takes advantage of it, like the leftist mass media and Democrats

[@karinacaban1398]

I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THEY DELETED THIS COMMENT BECAUSE IT WAS TOO REAL FOR YOU SHITHEADS TO HANDLE - so here is a somewhat shorter version of it that i will leave here, because i really do not have the energy. Coleman rightfully points out that immigrant groups have greater success bc they are more motivated. He overlooks other characteristics common to immigrant groups that can also contribute to this success. Immigrant parents tend to be much more strict than average parents, they tend to be more culturally conservative, they have a higher propensity to assimilate for fear of deportation and/or desire to achieve the greatest success possible. Taking on the mentality that they will ‘do whatever it takes’ because whatever they were fleeing from was worse. He fails to mention the prison industrial complex, redlining, unequal access to wealth, education, and health services that hold black communities. He fails to mention the fact that black people are constantly having the cops called on them bc they are seen as ‘dangerous’ and are disproportionately murdered by police. He fails to mention that this dangerous perception of black people is perpetuated through the media, hollywood, and music - all white supremacist industries who benefit from maintaining this image. He fails to mention a of more which can be proven w stats. It is completely unfair to compare this immigrant group to the general population. Imagine a group of black teens drinking/smoking weed in a park at night can have their entire lives ruined. While white kids with absolutely be sent home to their parents. Maybe the black child of the immigrant family was not allowed to go out at night, or was forced to dress nicely, or was encouraged to make more white friends and assimilate. But this is what you guys want right? For people of color to assimilate. If its not clear enough.. that in an of itself is racism and white supremacy. You view the host culture as something to be desired compared to the ‘inferior’ culture of the immigrant. Coleman here has surely assimilated. He is an example of a person with so much internalized racism that he chooses white approval over black advancement. Seems to have worked cuz you fuckers love him.

[@tpatt3511]

So if I had to be honest. I'm African American and my wife is Jamaican first generation. We constantly have the difference on upbringing between my family and hers. Her Outlook is black people are lost and she was raised to believe no one is better than you. I can't say for sure but I feel she and this guy has a point if I was being objective.

[@jenspetersen5865]

A key is that if you believe in the narrative that you do not succeed for reason A, B, C that you have no power over, it is really hard to look inwards if you struggle, and it gives excuses to give up. If the core belief is that racism is prevalent, and you have a conflict with a white male - is that then because of skin color or because the two of you just don't like each other irrespective of skin color. If it is believed to be skin color then there is no way to resolve it. Lets say you don't get hired because of the way you speak/dress and you read it as rejection becaues of racism, then you won't even try to change the things that you can change. There is no doubt that racism exist between all groups, but is it responsible for 1%, 3%....and you for the rest. It is the same problem with the feminist narritive and any other claimed victimhood - to tall, to short, to fat, hair color, skin color, religion, gender, sexual preference, age....

[@rdhudon7469]

What part of Africa do you come from ? My guess is you were born in America and are American and if we dropped you in Africa you would be lost . Lmao People who hyphenate should be made fun of since labels seem so important to them .

[@strongbone9471]

Black immigrants are very different then black Americans. Black Americans didn't travel here they was dragged here. Your argument is just anecdotal and dumb

[@UrNotReady4This]

While the points highlighted regarding the differences seem valid, there is so much of the nuances of racism in America that is not discussed. I was born in Haiti in came to the US when I was 4 years old. I have been very successful precisely because my parents spent their last dime on my private school education, even a Master's degree from an Ivy League school. Do you think that I didn't experience racism despite my success? My parents could not see the intrinsic and pervasive ways that institutional and systemic racism, with 100s of years of oppression could affect blacks. My experiences with racism is vast and profound and are certainly proof that systemic racism exist. The difference is that I don't come from a culture where my relatives experienced being lynched, segregated, oppressed, victimized, targeted, brutalized, etc. like other blacks. Not once was the true experience of American blacks discusses or analyzed in this diatribe, yet people are quick to declare that it is due to some deficiency on the person's character. It's sad and it's the reason why the US continues to have a huge problem with race. How about a debate into some the white nefarious and narcissistic psyche that even allows for such abuse of a people that pose no threat to them or their way of life? Funny how we never hear about that. I would surmise that it's because of, hmmm, systemic racism, perhaps?

[@bwake]

@@strongbone9471 Mr. Hughs posited that the immigrants are selected for the get-up-and-go to get up and leave their homes and come here.

[@JareBearAraujo]

I have a friend from the Congo. He immigrated to Nigeria as a child and eventually ended up in the USA. He said he has never been treated so bad than when he was in Nigeria. He said the Nigerians discriminated against them since they were from the Congo. He said his father always worked hard and instilled those values in him and his siblings and doesn’t understand the claims of “racism” in the USA as he has always been treated well here.

[@anthonymorris5084]

That's because the vast majority of people don't care what colour anyone is. They care whether you're an ahole or not.

[@Quaerite.Intellectum]

Your friend has something to compare to US "racism". My guess would be that most people in the US who think there is system racism are either young and didn't experience the very real systemic racism of the not too distant past and/or have never been to another country to see what real hardcore open systemic discrimination looks like. Send any one of those people who think the US has systemic racism to Russia, China, Nigeria, Ecuador or any other of a list of countries and they will learn to appreciate how much better the current "racism" reality in the US is and they will want to come back. I'm not saying the US is perfect - it's far from it. But, it's also far from the worst this world has to offer.

[@RealzJohnny]

@n cw I don't know which country you came here from but I'm an immigrant and i have never face open racism towards me the only people who racist towards me are blacks... white people just mind their business

[@saaaba1098]

I'm middle eastern living in Canada now. The only people that gave ever oppressed me where people of my own race. The western world has the least amount of racism, and yet somehow gets the most criticism for it.

[@barrymckeown5783]

exactly the top 10 poorest countries in the world are countries that has a black majority and we have black people in America and even ones in top universities saying how they have it so bad, sorry but any person who lives in a 1st world country white, black, asian or anyone has it better than the majority of the world

[@blankblank1949]

Dr. Thomas Sowell is so based. He graduated from Harvard and Columbia during segregation. He should've been Black's role model

[@senecagates3849]

Unfortunately, They dont teach him in college. It’s not an accident.

[@lorenzmielke5125]

A former hardcore Marxist that managed to be swayed by reason (Milton Friedman) and to leave that path of that seriously flawed system of glorified slavery.

[@BlueisNotaWarmColour]

@@lorenzmielke5125 I always forget about this but it's such a great point. Shows anyone's mind can be changed with enough good, thoughtful argumentation.

[@godbear2930]

And why was the school segregated in the place? Which race was making that a problem? I'll wait...

[@BlueisNotaWarmColour]

@@godbear2930 racist white people from seventy years ago. And...?

[@guershondorismond271]

As black person who is in their late twenties and is the 1st generation of carribbean born parents, I've been fortunate to get a wide variety of perspectives that most black people won't ever get exposed to, or are conscience of. From my experiences black culture has a lot of toxic habits (rap culture, glorification of athletes and artists, sex, and single parenthood) that are destructive to their success. I have now watched. People i have grown up with go down all sorts of paths. People getting addicted to weed, people go to jail, people have kids and end up on welfare, people go to college and work in fast food, people progress slowly, and people succeed. The biggest predictor of success that I have seen is from the people who went to college (for something useful), don't do drugs, or have kids. These things contradict the main stream norms in black society, but are crucial to increasing odds of success

[@trivadpt]

Yep. Im 35. A second gen born in UK, parents from guyana and grenada. I grew up on homophobic bashment, Hip hop culture which promoted and encouraged "stunitn" smoking, driking and "fucking many hoes". Bank loans and credic cards were encouraged to buy a new car and the latest clothes and jewellery which lead me to debts of 15k. Eventually, after seeking help from LISTENING, LEARNING, IDENTIFYING MY GOALS, AND ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS I saw the light. I went from failing my GCSE's in 2001 to Gaining a 2:1 at University in 2018 (BSc Physiotherapy). I now have NO DEBT (except a small, manageable student loan (investment for my career)). I have consciously taken the decision to not have children, to work and be productive, and be self suficient simply because its expensive here in London, Plus I want to live a comfortable lifestyle (which I now do). This is because of the decision I have made since 2001 and I am now reeping the benefits.

[@guershondorismond271]

@@trivadpt great job! I'm glad you saw differently, and changed your trajectory. It is shocking to see how much a change in mindset can improve our circumstances.

[@tmuto5119]

Ye but couldn't it be argued that that whole culture stemmed from the heavy racism in the past

[@guershondorismond271]

@@tmuto5119 Possibly for the different aspects of the culture like rap. I know rap had origins with voicing oppression, and issues in the community. But other aspects in the culture like single parenthood do not.

[@CVLFMG]

LMAO good joke yall... like you ain't fake accounts 🤣🤣🤣

[@alomode1039]

“Things become problems if you let them” -me

[@stilliving]

Me sounds like a pretty smart guy

[@MrAv0st]

@bob joe not you but already used

[@BRBallin1]

He's only 24 yet more mature than 99.9% of the population

[@jorh4849]

24?!?!?!?! 🤯🤯🤯

[@falcongamer5867]

He looked 30

[@dillfrill10]

@@MileoMajor From what it seems to me, the main problem seems to be a particular group of people who preach for diversity when it comes to every other group, but strictly follow nationalistic beliefs when it comes to their own neighborhoods. Some might say this group is home to the original victimhood.

[@MileoMajor]

@@dillfrill10 I'm aware the government doesn't care about me, really. I try to learn everyday and get a couple of notes. I grew up reading certain books and learned about others through the years that gave me a grasp on what I'm actually dealing with more or less. I know what I'm looking at. I learned how to rewire most indoctrinations.

[@NOL1FEK1NG]

BRBallin1 I am black and in my immediate family of 5, we have 2 millionaires and a third about to reach this year(me). I grew up poor as anyone else. If anyone had to eat rice and butter for breakfast lunch and dinner , then they know how poor that is. Been evicted and homeless for over five years growing up..and still we overcame and made it to where we are today! But with all that said, know this, I AM NOT about to stand here and tell my other black people that systematic/institutional racism DOESNT exist! I would not DARE ignore HUNDREDS of years of history and black experience just because I got some money in my pocket now, and I’m “feeling myself”. If this sellout, and yes that is what he is, because he isn’t doing this for free, had a different life where he never financially struggled, was never in trouble with police, or was never looked down upon by whites, that’s great, wonderful for him. But that doesn’t give him the right to discount and outright dismiss HISTORY of an entire people as “made-up”. The fucking arrogance of this guy.

[@samchoi3304]

Who else is annoyed by social media “educators” who do not do research but force a very narrow perspective on “systemic racism”. They often shut down people who share different pov . I don’t think they understand what teaching really means. This video is great. Hope those “educators” find this....

[@matijavuk4214]

me, mass of people are getting dumber and dumber, while few individuals are the smartest we have ever been, its really sad, and always reminds me of an "Idiocracy" movie who was maybe intended to be comedy but it is turning out to be a really dark horror movie. So many artist people I adored are jumping into the bandwagon of leftist globalist agenda and its disheartening. Also idolizing Floyd who was a criminal most of his life, and probably refused to get arrested, its too fishy... not defending the act of his death, it was horrible sight, but the action afterwards, looting, rioting, violence, someone really planned and wanted this to happen.

[@RickysHP]

@@matijavuk4214 Idiocracy: The only fictional film that has turned into a documentary.

[@oommoon3310]

Cancel culture is trendy rn too

[@demonsluger]

@kqw- 0m if youre a guy show dominance over them and and you will have a harem girls dont like simp men like the left they like strong dominant men

[@falcongamer5867]

@@matijavuk4214 i feel your pain. Many artists i used to look up to, who had amazing drawing skills, turned out to be sjws with twitter mob mentality

[@kiaragabrielle7964]

you don’t know how long i’ve been saying stuff like this... my dads came to america with nothing now we’re in the upper middle class

[@badaxtion1878]

Well about the point of the two parent house hold which he said started to decline around the sixties but the main factor were systemic programs based on race and class to destroy households I.e. the war on drugs circa 60’s. Or how it’s harder for minorities (black and Hispanic mostly) to own properties because of Redlining which is based on class and race. So while I agree with not playing the victim and not making everything about race, that’s kind of difficult when how most things work in this country, work on the basis of RACE. Ignoring a problem doesn’t make it go away, acknowledging it does.

[@haroldpierce1987]

War on drugs was not the 60s it was the 80s the 60s was the war on poverty and the introduction of the welfare state. It ultimately ended up incentivizing bad behaviors. At the time this was introduced the average black family made only like 5 dollars less than the average white family had a higher 2 parent household and employment rate than whites. The war on drugs also hurt the black community but the damage was already bad when this was introduced. I'd say the 3 biggest things hurting the poor in America are the welfare state war on drugs and lack of opportunity after conviction(felons not able to get most jobs. Or being on house arrest etc) there are other things we can do as well such as school choice that'll help the kids that love in poorly funded low income areas so they can get better education. But regardless just because the systems are in place and encourage the individual to partake in them no one ever made them do it. No system made people join gangs or drop out or get abortions or overdose etc. Ita all an individual choice

[@srkn5721]

Harold Pierce The war on drugs started in the early 70’s.

[@haroldpierce1987]

@@srkn5721 yes I'm aware Nixon started it. didn't seem to be much of an issue until Reagan in terms of drug arrest numbers. either way it needs to go. we need to focus on the supply and production side not the junkies or whatever else.

[@srkn5721]

@@haroldpierce1987 no you weren’t aware of it. That’s why I had to fact check you.

[@haroldpierce1987]

@@srkn5721 eh kind of 50/50. i was aware however i didn't know it was active for that much of his term so i credited Reagan. not much of a fact check. were the drug arrest higher under Reagan or not? Bush administration started ICE in 03 yet they didn't become an issue till the end of the 2nd Obama term. kind of a similar scenario.

[@michelletravelsyt]

So I’m still left confused and maybe someone here who shares the same opinion as the guy in the video can educate me. Wouldn’t it make way more sense to compare West Indian immigrants to white people rather than their African American counterparts to figure out if systematic racism really is an issue ? I moved to the states for a few years myself and of course I was „better off“ compared to an actual American who was black as The Whole generational trauma part didn’t apply to me ? If you argue that African Americans don’t put enough emphasis on education and that is essentially what is causing them to fall back, aren’t you also arguing FOR institutionalized racism as in the US Property taxes fund schools and richer neighborhoods pay more property taxes.( at least in New Jersey, where I lived during my time in the states, I’m not sure if this applies for all states) Those same rich neighborhoods are majority white and surprise surprise, looking back you will find that that is due to racist policies in the not so far past. In summary, black families were kept out of wealthy neighborhoods for generations forcing them to settle in poor neighborhoods where the schools are underfunded making it significantly harder to get a quality education, that making it near impossible to find a good job, making it impossible to move out of said shitty neighborhoods. Rinse and repeat for a couple generations. Now a black immigrant of a different nationality may move into the same shitty neighborhoods at first and their kids will go to the same shitty underfunded school, but won’t share the same history. The parents of the 2nd generation American child will be more educated and driven, as the gentleman in the interview even argued himself, because, even though they will have had their own struggles, they weren’t broken down by a system that was built to make their life significantly harder ? So the kids are more likely to succeed ?? To me that’s not an argument against institutional and systematic racism. To me the video is very surface level and not looking at the entirety and complexity of the issue. I’m super open and curious to hear other opinions on this as long as they are communicated in a respectful manner. I genuinely want to understand this argument.

[@facetofloor]

In brief, the comparison is a legitimate one. The standard narrative goes that black Americans (BAs) perform poorly in the society because of racism--that is, it is discrimination against them b/c of their physical features. West Indians (WIs) are practically indistinguishable from BAs--hence, it isn't racial discrimination that is at the core of BAs poor performance. What's the difference then? It's the difference in cultures--which entails having different values, which lead to different priorities-->different behaviors-->different results. I'd say the same after working for many years with the children of African immigrants. They don't have the same culture/values of BAs; they don't identify with that culture, and as a result they don't have the same pathologies.

[@michelletravelsyt]

facetofloor I understood the argument he was trying to make it just doesn’t make much sense to me as 1. The argument was not about “ regular” racism, but against systematic racism in particular. That’s what the video is titled as. African or West Indian immigrants aren’t going to be as heavily affected by that as they don’t share the same history with African Americans, that’s the argument I made in my initial comment. If I come into a race where Person a and b have been competing and running for an hour, person a was allowed to run as they are whilst person b had weights tied around their legs the whole hour long and was held back which gave person a an advantage, I will perform better as person b even if I also get weights tied around my ankles as I simply haven’t been running for a straight hour. That doesn’t prove that I didn’t get weights tied around my ankles ?

[@facetofloor]

@@michelletravelsyt Okay, maybe i am catching your point. I, personally, wouldn't say that there isn't "systemic racism"--in the sense that the system isn't designed to make the black underclass excel. But it's not systemic racism that is ultimately the cause for black failure. It still boils down to culture. Cultures are different, and when you put two significantly different cultures in the same environment, you are not going to get the same results.

[@slboard96]

@@facetofloor But like they said above, there were policies put in place in our housing and education that wanted the black community to fail not too long ago. My brother's boyfriend works in public policy specifically with discriminatory housing, and the current administration is purposely overlooking and allowing a lot of racist legislation, and most importantly overlooking when this legislation disproportionally affects the black community and other communities of color. I think that a lot of the issues we're seeing today is that the majority of people in politics don't purposely pass laws to discriminate a person based on their skin color. However, when something statistically does more damage to people of color they're turning a blind eye to it, and not allowing these decisions to be reformed or improved to help alleviate this pressure on one particular group of people. This in my opinion is just as bad as intentionally suppressing a group of people with laws and legislation. When we look at history at the most atrocious regimes and societal norms (like slavery) we blame the complicit as much as we blame the oppressors. We need to start doing this now if we want to move forward. I highly suggest watching John Oliver's most recent video about police reform. He does a really good job at explaining why these protests to reform our criminal justice system seem like the same protests during the civil rights era. I don't expect you to agree with everything he says, but I still highly suggest going in with an open mind. My parents have been very conservative for many years, but I showed them that video, and they said it helped them understand why the protests feel the same as they've always been, and that we need to change that. You seem like someone who is able to listen and not get angry at someone just because they disagree with you and thats awesome! Stay safe and healthy, and let me know what you think of the John Oliver vid!

[@facetofloor]

@@slboard96 Perhaps my position wasn't clear. I don't agree with the speaker that there is no racism (but i am not quite clear what is meant by systemic racism--does this refer to explicitly racist laws (which no longer exist), or does it include the red-lining practices (and the likes) that you mentioned)? My position is that racism is not the ULTIMATE DETERMINANT for the problems black America is facing. Racism--in whatever form--is detrimental materially and to the psyche to black people (and others). The problem (today) is in the black culture. Cultures are not all the same or "equal." Different cultures are going to get different results in the society. If black people want to move up in the social hierarchy, they have to raise their standards and better their individual and collective behavior. And encouraging people to raise their standards and better themselves is a good thing.

[@bloodyconstraint920]

Culture is always the most influential factor in group and also individual outlook. The resultant set of expectations is the primary driver of social potential.

[@falcongamer5867]

@fynes leigh work

[@iviaverick52]

Group identity is destroying black America. Thinking as a hive mind only makes things worse.

[@bloodyconstraint920]

The truth is what one believes rather than what is. So, the future hold more of the same foolishness emplaced to protect feelings rather than facing reality.

[@AmaryllisTV]

💯

[@bloodyconstraint920]

@@AmaryllisTV Nothing takes place without some kind of catalyst, but in the current social climate it is probably more out of boredom than much else. There are no great leaps to make nor obstacles to overcome other than our own emotional instability.

[@iamkxtv]

What’s typically left out and often overlooked in these conversations are the physical, emotional and psychological traumas endured by Black American ancestors in this country. These traumas are manifested in various ways depending on the individual. The same way a family tradition or custom is passed along, so are the fears, perceptions and expectations. Black Immigrants do not share in the same experience. They bring along with them their own set of values, traditions, etc. Speaking from personal experience I can tell you that many Black American parents have a tremendous amount of love for their children. Unfortunately, that love is often matched by the overwhelming amount of fear they have for their children’s futures. We are not taught to achieve nearly as much as we are taught to simply survive. Survive inequality, survive the prison system, survive the police, survive our schools, survive our neighborhoods. Our parents and grandparents had to survive the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s and 80’s as Blacks in America. It was during these times they inevitably developed a deep distrust for the establishment who were factually making life extremely hard for People of Color throughout those periods. The FBI involvement in Cointelpro, the CIA involvement in the Contra Cocaine Drug Trade and the assassination of our most prominent Black American leaders to name a few. All of this said, we are not as far removed from our history as people tend to believe we are, still POC have done amazing things in this country. That is not to say that Systemic racism does not exist, contrarily it’s a testament to how we have always been able to persist. We spend a majority of our former years in survival mode fueled by fear and uncertainty. There’s a reason POC make up the majority of the essential work force. We are not lazy. That is a myth. We do, however, carry with us baggage that someone who migrate into the system simply does not and cannot.

[@mookiedt]

What you said is left out because we can't relate to them. All we can do is be open minded and try to understand the best we can. But their fears, perceptions, expectations and hopes are not ours unless we want it to be. But things change, we can't keep that same mindset anymore otherwise we can't move forward because we're still focused on the past.

[@Christopher81820]

This is to suggest only black Americans live in fear and uncertainty. I can agree these feelings can lead to destructive behavior, but most people if not all people have had to deal with and overcome this at some point. Its a matter of taking responsibility for actions and learning to make better ones in the future.

[@iamkxtv]

Ghevi Sartor Think of it this way, if you were to use an invisible fence to train an animal not to go beyond a certain perimeter before it receives a shock (traumatic event) from its collar, would it not in attempt to protect its young, teach them to live, find food, shelter and all of his/her resources within that perimeter? Would that animal be imposing its “outdated views” or would it be coming from a place of legitimate fear, love and protection? Keep in mind that the actual consequence of crossing such lines for Black American humans, in real life was death. Let’s assume that’s every 30 years that perimeter is widened, (desegregation, voting act, civil rights movement, the fair housing act, etc.) it would take a tremendous amount of courage for the mom or her pups to venture into its new territory. It would take generations for the prior limitations to disappear from the conversation completely. May I remind you that the parents of my grandparents not only had limited rights, they were actual slaves. So, these are not “outdated views”. These are survival instincts passed down with nothing but the purest intentions. Yes, you are absolutely right when you say it’s subjective. It is subjective to my life experience. Unfortunately, I’ve had police officers point their weapons at me, I’ve been profiled and searched for walking down the street, I’ve been struck in the head by an officer and called a racial slur to my face by another. Never charged with a crime, never did a day in prison, I am gainfully employed but none of that protected me. I would be foolish not to warn my child of the potential dangers and I could only hope that he doesn’t place additional limitations on himself in the process.

[@iamkxtv]

Christopher Jeffers Fear and uncertainty are very human emotions that we all experience on some level or another. However, we are living in a country where my fear and uncertainty can justifiably cost me my life. In other words my humanity in and of itself is threatening. You don’t experience it and I can assure you that you would have a hard time attempting to reconcile with it. Please allow me to elaborate with a single example. Trayvon Martin went out to the store to buy a snack. (Human) He put a hoodie on his head to protect himself from the elements. (Human) A strange vehicle follows him in the dark. The man gets out of the vehicle and follows him in the rain on foot. I think at this point we should all be able to agree that Trayvon should have had an EXTREME level of “Fear and Uncertainty” considering that his (human) life would end in a matter of minutes. I ask, would it not be (human) of him to hide from this stranger? If he were to be discovered and confronted , would it not be (human) of him to defend himself? What message do you think was sent to my community when this insane man, armed with a handgun, instructed by 911 not to follow Trayvon but proceeded to stalk him anyway, confronted him, killed him and was then allowed to used HIS (human) “Fear and Uncertainty” as a defense. Trayvon’s humanity simply vanished into thin air. In the context of this video, these are not simply “Fears and Uncertainties” these are TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCES we are living with ON TOP of our everyday fears and uncertainties. There will always be those amongst us who refuse to take responsibility for their actions. That is AGAIN a human issue, not a Black one. Same goes for crime, murder, drug abuse, single parenthood, unemployment, etc. All HUMAN issues. Until we can to be viewed as human, these (human) issues will always be called upon as justifications to dehumanize us. If we are to learn from our mistakes, let us do that as a society as well. 🙏🏿

[@KevsUploads]

Ummmm, we Caribbean ppl have trauma as well, dumb excuse

[@apples4me14]

“If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump than you ain’t black” - Joe Biden

[@strongbone9471]

Didn't trump push the Muslim theory on Obama?

[@cmonman7990]

Glad u actually quoted him correctly most say “if you dont vote for me you aint black” witch is very misleading

[@dc_legendary]

"Mental slavery is mental death, and every man who has given up his intellectual freedom is the living coffin of his dead soul." - Marcus Garvey

[@nneuhaus84]

And they are killing us with them.

[@MeganAllen1738]

@Sanuk Jang Lery I have to say, that's the best one I've heard all year. Do they hand out medals for this at your rallies?

[@AB21]

Nothing to do with race and all about culture.

[@brettlooney5960]

yes mr. shapiro that is correct

[@khoale498]

well, u can't exactly say there's nothing. To a small degree case by case I believe it does exist but to a much smaller degree then what the media give it credit for.

[@philipmurray9796]

yep, I didn't get conditioned by my music about f*ck the police, or warned about cops being out to get me. That surely shapes their interactions and aggression towards cops.

[@reganbrandon04]

Thanks Ben

[@karan_2591]

The people who loses their Pure racial stock will sooner or later will go into oblivion and their Culture, which they made will also become fossilized, because the original race died out. The inter mixture of Races is an act of Sin against the God.

[@aindriuorlando3389]

Can we appreciate how calming his voice is

[@davidstepanczuk]

I appreciate-even love-the careful way in which he speaks.

[@Savvynomad225]

Hard work transcends all the other disadvantages/perceived disadvantages....where lack of hard work will essentially magnify disadvantages.

[@HELLH0WND]

A nice thought but hard work only takes you so far. At some point you need a certain level of ability. You can work as hard as you want but you'll never win the 200m at the Olympics by determination alone.

[@ajskuu]

HELLH0WND very invalid argument. With the right guidance or self motivation you can do anything. Ex: Elon musk was laughed at for saying you can land a rocket back on earth using a tiny platform and re use it the same rocket. Yet he’s the first to do it.

[@Savvynomad225]

@@HELLH0WND "hard work" and "perseverance" are synonyms in this context since you can define "hard" multiple ways. Here's a quote to go with it: "I do not think there is any other quality so essential to success of any kind as the quality of perseverance. It overcomes almost everything, even nature." -John D. Rockefeller

[@nicholaswilliams6634]

Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard

[@Look_up_Luke21_18]

Solid points here. I actually work for Elon. He prefers a person with no degrees over a hard working person any day. I know because I am one of them. Most people knowing my background wouldn’t even hire me, but yet I’ve been an asset to the company for 8 years. No need to define the word “hard work” use your common sense and the context of the interview. That man has to be so careful with his words that he holds back on simple common stuff. You would notice if you worked and rub shoulders with the different cultures they are referring to. The family unit (father/mother/kids) is the pilar of Society if that breaks down over time then your stuck with heart wrenching consequences. This all coming from a little ol’ high school drop out. Luckily for me, my 6th grade educated immigrant father and mother stuck it out for 60 years.

[@jamessmith4455]

I hate to take away from the message because it’s brilliant but I love the way he’s dressed. I like that jacket a lot.

[@fubarexress6359]

He is very sharp! Can't lie

[@savanahbustle3361]

I LOVE his jacket. Also his eyebrows. I can’t explain why I like his eyebrows. Or even why they stand out to me.

[@justachu5521]

intelect and fasion sence, I love the rubin fanbase

[@joekalbukian]

Suits make men sooooo hot!

[@TheAllianceEnt]

Funny, since suits in this form, are really an extension of Eurocentric standards of style. Wearing a suit, while talking about systemic racism in like condemning wildlife abuse while wearing a Zookeeper uniform.

[@gibster9624]

I remember failing massively at something. It was one of my first failures as an adult and I remember thinking about why it was everyone else's fault until I just sat back and took the time to blame myself. Readjusted my approach and found great success in my second attempt. Amazing how that works.

[@iberlo85]

Faith in humanity restored! Love this guy!

[@rayoski241]

You mean to tell me that hard work and dedication can lead to a prosperous future....

[@mauiblack1068]

If I like how a cake taste I look at the ingredients to find out how it was made. As a black man who is in the top 10 percent of earners in the country let me tell you what systematic racism is to me, how and why it still exist today. First, I will say that yes, for the most part anyone can become anything in America regardless of your skin color, but there is an underlying issue that goes with that premise. The issue starts with the past and how the black community was shaped through slavery ,then Jim crow and further with laws that put the black community the dire straights that it is. For example, in 1921 there was a town in Tusla, Oklahoma aka Black wall street where there was a thriving black community with over 600 black owned businesses, hospitals, planes and so on and so forth. It was burned to the grownd by the kkk and the united states government. Imagine the generational wealth that was lost. Imagine what that does to a community. The system did that. The racism did that. Link available here. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rl6spaaGd7l5hZI Next. What did redlining do to our community. You should look it up to see how it helped whites gain wealth through their properties but bankrupted black people with unfair loan practices. The system did that. The racism did that. Who killed MLK. The system, The racism. Who labeled the Black panther party a terrorist group who was only sticking up and trying to help the black community. The system did that, the racism did that. Who poured drugs in the community and guns into the community. The system did that, the racism did that. The black family was literally torn apart. Our black leaders were all killed and then the rappers were given a microphone to take their place. What happened to the black community was a deliberate and calculated attack on it. Look up the 13th amendment. You cant have slaves and free labor so the next best thing is to jail black men to get the same result. I could go on and on and on and on about how systematic racism shaped the state of mind of the black community today but i will stop here.

[@gulashonu]

Hard to believe.

[@libertyordeath555]

Yes, when properly encouraged & not hindered by racist constructs...#CrimingWhileWhite Brilliantly Destroys Law Enforcement's Racial Double Standard mic.com/articles/105694/criming-while-white-brilliantly-destroys-law-enforcement-s-racial-double-standard Police in Alabama planted drugs and guns on over 1,000 innocent Black men rollingout.com/2015/12/03/racist-police-in-alabama-planted-drugs-and-guns-on-over-1000-innocent-black-men San Diego Police Stop Black People at a Rate 219 Percent Higher Than White People. www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/san-diego-police-stop-black-people-at-a-rate-219-percent-higher-than-white-people/ Data backs up 'driving while black' concept, UNC professor says kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJvJg4mApthsers Charlottesville police data shows more blacks arrested www.winchesterstar.com/associated_press/virginia/charlottesville-police-data-shows-more-blacks-arrested/article_76901d68-96ba-55b8-848c-01c6c9692b0e.html Disparities in stop-and-frisk data met with consternation www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/crime/disparities-in-stop-and-frisk-data-met-with-consternation/article_470711d6-2fab-11e8-9348-eb7b349652d3.html NJ Police Chief Demoted to Patrolman after Instructing Officers to Racially Profile Blacks blackmainstreet.net/nj-police-chief-demoted-patrolman-instructing-officers-racially-profile-blacks/ Inside 100 million police traffic stops: New evidence of racial bias www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/inside-100-million-police-traffic-stops-new-evidence-of-racial-bias/ar-BBUJp5i Ferguson Prosecutor Quits After Racial Bias Found In Criminal Courts newsone.com/3442385/ferguson-prosecutor-stephanie-karr-quits/ Charged with same crime, Iowa paper shows black suspects’ mug shots but whites get yearbook pics www.rawstory.com/2015/03/charged-with-same-crime-iowa-paper-shows-black-suspects-mug-shots-but-whites-get-yearbook-pics/ The Great Land Robbery: How Federal Policies Dispossessed Black Americans of Millions of Acres www.democracynow.org/2019/8/16/vann_newkirk_great_land_robbery?fbclid=IwAR3fY_f92bUuuBFZjHKQPcqJtHI8wWn6SM5U3JM7hwYBdvKqC56QhAaquS0 The History of Redlining www.thoughtco.com/redlining-definition-4157858 Redlining's legacy: Maps are gone, but the problem hasn't disappeared www.cbsnews.com/news/redlining-what-is-history-mike-bloomberg-comments/ Racial Disparities in Healthcare are Pervasive kzbin.info/www/bejne/imPQmqWPmtJ2o9E Why Coronavirus Is Hitting the Black Community Hardest |5:33 kzbin.info/www/bejne/ene9k2Wnd66le9k How Does Implicit Bias Affect Health Care? kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJaad5mcZ75-nK8 A doctor’s memoir shows race matters in the hospital room kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIWtkmaVe5V_mtk NYC NURSE BREAKS DOWN OVER NEGLIGENT TREATMENT OF COVID PATIENTS | NYC | NURSES | COVID 19 | TNL kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3TYZ4qcbZVgipY NON-WHITE SCHOOL DISTRICTS GET $23 BILLION LESS FUNDING THAN WHITE ONES psmag.com/education/nonwhite-school-districts-get-23-billion-less-funding-than-white-ones White Students Get More K-12 Funding Than Students of Color: Report www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2019-02-26/white-students-get-more-k-12-funding-than-students-of-color-report U.S. police chiefs group apologizes for ‘historical mistreatment’ of minorities www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2016/10/17/head-of-u-s-police-chiefs-apologizes-for-historic-mistreatment-of-minorities/ NYPD Officer Claims He Was Disciplined For Not Arresting More Blacks, Hispanics In Subways newsone.com/3320546/nypd-officer-disciplined-for-not-arresting-blacks-hispanics/ The anger behind the protests, explained in 4 charts www.vox.com/2020/5/31/21276004/anger-police-killing-george-floyd-protests? Federal judges order new North Carolina district lines thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/344714-federal-judges-order-new-north-carolina-district-lines (Library) kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZypZoh9pc6piJo Driven kzbin.info/www/bejne/mp-0e6qdrLBkrKM Fighting Housing Discrimination in 2019 www.urban.org/urban-wire/fighting-housing-discrimination-2019 HUD Study Finds that Minorities Still Face Unequal Treatment from Housing Providers nlihc.org/resource/hud-study-finds-minorities-still-face-unequal-treatment-housing-providers This Is What Housing Discrimination in the U.S. Looks Like nextcity.org/daily/entry/housing-discrimination-us-report Black Farmers Are Being Forced Off Their Land by Longstanding Government Discrimination www.vice.com/en_us/article/bj349a/black-farmers-are-being-forced-off-their-land-by-longstanding-government-discrimination 'It's not fair, not right': how America treats its black farmers www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/30/america-black-farmers-louisiana-sugarcane There were nearly a million black farmers in 1920. Why have they disappeared? www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/29/why-have-americas-black-farmers-disappeared Recent Lawsuit Alleges that Black Farmers Continue To Be Discriminated ellwoodthompsons.com/blog/food-advocates/recent-lawsuit-alleges-that-black-farmers-continue-to-be-discriminated/

[@NOL1FEK1NG]

Rayoski I am black and in my immediate family of 5, we have 2 millionaires and a third about to reach this year(me). I grew up poor as anyone else. If anyone had to eat rice and butter for breakfast lunch and dinner , then they know how poor that is. Been evicted and homeless for over five years growing up..and still we overcame and made it to where we are today! But with all that said, know this, I AM NOT about to stand here and tell my other black people that systematic/institutional racism DOESNT exist! I would not DARE ignore HUNDREDS of years of history and black experience just because I got some money in my pocket now, and I’m “feeling myself”. If this sellout, and yes that is what he is, because he isn’t doing this for free, had a different life where he never financially struggled, was never in trouble with police, or was never looked down upon by whites, that’s great, wonderful for him. But that doesn’t give him the right to discount and outright dismiss HISTORY of an entire people as “made-up”. The fucking arrogance of this guy.

[@mauiblack1068]

@veronica carlson For you to even ask me that question lets me know you do not understand American History. Come back to me when you can actually hold a debate with facts.

[@ST8URCASE]

A sad commentary is Coleman Hughes is not the only black person saying this. We simply are not allowed access to media.

[@NOL1FEK1NG]

ST8URCASE I am black and in my immediate family of 5, we have 2 millionaires and a third about to reach this year(me). I grew up poor as anyone else. If anyone had to eat rice and butter for breakfast lunch and dinner , then they know how poor that is. Been evicted and homeless for over five years growing up..and still we overcame and made it to where we are today! But with all that said, know this, I AM NOT about to stand here and tell my other black people that systematic/institutional racism DOESNT exist! I would not DARE ignore HUNDREDS of years of history and black experience just because I got some money in my pocket now, and I’m “feeling myself”. If this sellout, and yes that is what he is, because he isn’t doing this for free, had a different life where he never financially struggled, was never in trouble with police, or was never looked down upon by whites, that’s great, wonderful for him. But that doesn’t give him the right to discount and outright dismiss HISTORY of an entire people as “made-up”. The fucking arrogance of this guy.

[@suzimonkey345]

NOL1FEK1NG My Dad & his brothers have a similar history of poverty & success. Can I ask, how did your family “break the mould” & succeed in an “institutionally racist” country?

[@suzimonkey345]

NOL1FEK1NG Will you answer another intrusive question? - Were your parents together, married? Are your siblings married to the mothers of their children? I’m basically asking if your family have “baby mamas” (I HATE that phrase!)? Do you believe that the “traditional family unit” is of high value?

[@ST8URCASE]

@@NOL1FEK1NG how did your millionaire family members overcome racism?will you teach others how?

[@farseer402]

Probably because he’s spewing a bunch of nonsense about the real issues

[@darkwingduck3790]

Huh, I never thought about this angle before, interesting points here.

[@jackgreen5627]

Could you summarise his argument for me? I found it difficult to follow. Would appreciate it

[@Sam-gn5mq]

Jack Green In order to emigrate from (for example) Jamaica to USA, you need to be very determined and hard working. So if you take a look at the black immigrants that come to USA today, they are more hard working than the average black American (because the average black American isn’t selected, they are simply born in the country). If systematic racism had a very large impact on your ability to succeed in America, it wouldn’t matter if you worked very hard or not. The system would still limit you greatly. And since we assume that the system can’t tell African American and immigrated blacks apart, and they live in the same neighborhoods, we can also say that they are limited to the same extent. However, immigrated blacks earn 50-60% (or whatever he said) more than the average African American. So it seems like hard work and determination does manage to overcome the systematic racism to some extent. He says that this might be due to cultural differences between the immigrated blacks and the African Americans. The point is not that structural racism doesn’t exist (it does), the point is that it may not be as limiting on the African American community as commonly thought.

[@kionashi]

@@Sam-gn5mq that's a flawed argument tho.....legal immigrants (from anywhere) aren't only "determined and hard workers" they are educated, they already have degrees and probably money, so of course they will have an easier time because with money and a good paying job life will be easier for you and you children and your grandchildrens no matter your race...... black americans (native) don't always have that luxury, when you are born in a low income household you have a lot less opportunities and you are more likely to being unable to get quality education which leads to more social problems....

[@Sam-gn5mq]

@@kionashi Yes, I agree that it is a flawed argument. I'm not trying to argue for it, I just tried to summarize what was said in the video without adding my personal opinion.

[@kionashi]

@@stefaniamoore7240 why Im assuming that? because you can't emigrate to the US legally without college education. And I don't believe his statistics come from illegal migrants

[@serbtrooper99]

This guy brought up a point I’ve been wondering for myself. As a first generation American myself (serbian, white, parents immigrated to America), I’ve been thinking about how different parts of systemic racism relate to my own experiences. I’m not black obviously so I never experienced racial bias based on my skin color. But I have wondered how my parents having little to no family/structural support when they first came here relates to how black people have been treated when it comes to systemic racism. And by that I mean how a big part of the systemic racism hypothesis, that the guy in the video neglected to mention, is about how African American families have suffered through generations of structural racism, and that leading to unstable family dynamics , be it with fathers in jail, poor housing and neighborhoods, access to education, etc. What I’m saying is, that maybe the history of systemic racism going on for generations in African American families has been enough to create these disparities we see between black people from America, compared to more recent immigrants coming to America (be them black or white). Just my two cents of course, but something I’ve been thinking about with everything going on in the country

[@SarahLizDoan]

Well said

[@ericsondasilva1618]

serbtrooper99 yep what you’re saying is 100% true. Generational disparity is a real issue. That doesn’t mean we have systemic racism today, those laws and institutions don’t exist anymore. We only have a little bit of cultural bias, and that bias impact of peoples lives is not as important the other statistical factor for success such as: education, work ethic, intelligence, culture and grit (which are not racial).

[@ericsondasilva1618]

veronica carlson yeah

[@JUICEelRey]

@@ericsondasilva1618 those systems are still in place obviously under submersive policies. Your assertion is a races one in of itself. It implies that blacks are less educated, lazy, unintelligent, and culturless. Actually black women are the most educated group in America, we work but are the least likely to be hired, and are mostly culturally very conservative generally. The problem in America is people think blacks are lagging behind because of merit alone but study's show we have to work several times harder and our mistakes costs us several times more than others making it even harder to bounce back. When you see a black person who "made it" you're looking at someone who has made it in spite of, and is a testament to their own individual extraordinary resilience and not a symbol of the laziness or lack of merit of other blacks. Chris rock jokes about how all the blacks that live in his neighborhood are A list celebrities, the best artist at what they do. The white man next door to him is just a dentist. He's not the top rated dentist in the world, just a dentist. Systemic racism is having to be Michael Jordan good to make it as a black but if you're white you can be an average person and do considerably well for yourself

[@raymondkiptanui]

IAMtv hey there I would say its a complex issue we are looking at, the reason why blacks still lag behind is a multivariate issue. It could be that they are still affected psychologically since slavery, another thing is minimum wage which has been disastrous especially for the young teens as no one is likely to hire them because they have no skills yets so one cannot afford to pay that amount for someone without skills. Culture is another key issue, hip hop and gangs especially infact there is an article by one Paul Mcwhotter on this on how it keeps them back, another thing could be their bad use of english language. Another one is Welfare state that has trapped young black women who decide to have kids out of wedlock because they know they have guaranted dollar cheques by the government. Another one could be the absence of fathers in the family, Patrick Moynhan and Warren Farell have greatly highlited the importance of a father in the family. So Its a complex issue to be honest, however what bothers me is the insistence of race causing everything, it is absolutely naive to think so.

[@nimanixo]

It all starts from the home. 🏡

[@blitzegron4848]

It amazes me that anyone thinks that I as a white man have any time or interest in spending any effort to keep someone else down. I am so preoccupied with trying to improve my life and the lives of my family by doing a good job meriting either improved finances or some ones good will.

[@anthonymorris5084]

It's only leftist extremists that believe any of this nonsense.

[@libertyordeath555]

Your not the problem Mr. Blitz, this is...#CrimingWhileWhite Brilliantly Destroys Law Enforcement's Racial Double Standard mic.com/articles/105694/criming-while-white-brilliantly-destroys-law-enforcement-s-racial-double-standard Police in Alabama planted drugs and guns on over 1,000 innocent Black men rollingout.com/2015/12/03/racist-police-in-alabama-planted-drugs-and-guns-on-over-1000-innocent-black-men San Diego Police Stop Black People at a Rate 219 Percent Higher Than White People. www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/san-diego-police-stop-black-people-at-a-rate-219-percent-higher-than-white-people/ Data backs up 'driving while black' concept, UNC professor says kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJvJg4mApthsers Charlottesville police data shows more blacks arrested www.winchesterstar.com/associated_press/virginia/charlottesville-police-data-shows-more-blacks-arrested/article_76901d68-96ba-55b8-848c-01c6c9692b0e.html Disparities in stop-and-frisk data met with consternation www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/crime/disparities-in-stop-and-frisk-data-met-with-consternation/article_470711d6-2fab-11e8-9348-eb7b349652d3.html NJ Police Chief Demoted to Patrolman after Instructing Officers to Racially Profile Blacks blackmainstreet.net/nj-police-chief-demoted-patrolman-instructing-officers-racially-profile-blacks/ Inside 100 million police traffic stops: New evidence of racial bias www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/inside-100-million-police-traffic-stops-new-evidence-of-racial-bias/ar-BBUJp5i Ferguson Prosecutor Quits After Racial Bias Found In Criminal Courts newsone.com/3442385/ferguson-prosecutor-stephanie-karr-quits/ Charged with same crime, Iowa paper shows black suspects’ mug shots but whites get yearbook pics www.rawstory.com/2015/03/charged-with-same-crime-iowa-paper-shows-black-suspects-mug-shots-but-whites-get-yearbook-pics/ The Great Land Robbery: How Federal Policies Dispossessed Black Americans of Millions of Acres www.democracynow.org/2019/8/16/vann_newkirk_great_land_robbery?fbclid=IwAR3fY_f92bUuuBFZjHKQPcqJtHI8wWn6SM5U3JM7hwYBdvKqC56QhAaquS0 The History of Redlining www.thoughtco.com/redlining-definition-4157858 Redlining's legacy: Maps are gone, but the problem hasn't disappeared www.cbsnews.com/news/redlining-what-is-history-mike-bloomberg-comments/ Racial Disparities in Healthcare are Pervasive kzbin.info/www/bejne/imPQmqWPmtJ2o9E Why Coronavirus Is Hitting the Black Community Hardest |5:33 kzbin.info/www/bejne/ene9k2Wnd66le9k How Does Implicit Bias Affect Health Care? kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJaad5mcZ75-nK8 A doctor’s memoir shows race matters in the hospital room kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIWtkmaVe5V_mtk NYC NURSE BREAKS DOWN OVER NEGLIGENT TREATMENT OF COVID PATIENTS | NYC | NURSES | COVID 19 | TNL kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3TYZ4qcbZVgipY NON-WHITE SCHOOL DISTRICTS GET $23 BILLION LESS FUNDING THAN WHITE ONES psmag.com/education/nonwhite-school-districts-get-23-billion-less-funding-than-white-ones White Students Get More K-12 Funding Than Students of Color: Report www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2019-02-26/white-students-get-more-k-12-funding-than-students-of-color-report U.S. police chiefs group apologizes for ‘historical mistreatment’ of minorities www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2016/10/17/head-of-u-s-police-chiefs-apologizes-for-historic-mistreatment-of-minorities/ NYPD Officer Claims He Was Disciplined For Not Arresting More Blacks, Hispanics In Subways newsone.com/3320546/nypd-officer-disciplined-for-not-arresting-blacks-hispanics/ The anger behind the protests, explained in 4 charts www.vox.com/2020/5/31/21276004/anger-police-killing-george-floyd-protests? Federal judges order new North Carolina district lines thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/344714-federal-judges-order-new-north-carolina-district-lines (Library) kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZypZoh9pc6piJo Driven kzbin.info/www/bejne/mp-0e6qdrLBkrKM Fighting Housing Discrimination in 2019 www.urban.org/urban-wire/fighting-housing-discrimination-2019 HUD Study Finds that Minorities Still Face Unequal Treatment from Housing Providers nlihc.org/resource/hud-study-finds-minorities-still-face-unequal-treatment-housing-providers This Is What Housing Discrimination in the U.S. Looks Like nextcity.org/daily/entry/housing-discrimination-us-report

[@ladyaurora6949]

You make a really good point, because I think that’s what’s getting lost in all of this discussion. I think people feel personally and individually offended/attacked. But of course, the majority of whites today had nothing to do with implementing the antiquated system we have today (which sets a large portion of black people back). I agree there is definitely an important factor of not having a victim mentality, but regardless, the truth of the matter is, many laws need updating because they’re inherently racist (e.g., sentencing for crack cocaine vs. white powder cocaine). Cops need better training and the corruption in police departments needs to be cracked down on/they need to look into the best ways to incentivize good ethics and disincentive coverups and morally wrong actions, education needs better funding to attract teachers (and KEEP them) and living in a poor area shouldn’t mean that your school is falling apart and provides only a subpar education, not to mention the implicit bias blacks face that has pervaded generations since slavery. Socioeconomic setback (of any race) is a vicious cycle that is hard to climb out of, and so we can’t have discriminatory laws on top of that. You may not treat black people differently, and since you don’t, it is simply difficult for you/anyone decent like you to project that many others could. (It’s the same psychological phenomenon that, and this is a negative example, when you are a liar/cheater, you also tend to think people are lying to/cheating on you too, etc. What we are, we think most other ppl are too!) I hope you can see the point I’m trying to make. I hope these reforms take place because at the end of the day, it’s the right thing to do. These things should have already changed in the first Civil Rights Movement, but hopefully now they can be properly addressed, and we can relish once again in our country’s ability to self-correct and course-correct. Plus it would grow our middle class, and who could argue with that? For the record, I’m not pushing any agenda. I’m doing my best to be informed of both sides which I’ve found had made me less angry and hopeless but also more confused.

[@TheOgapatapata]

This is a good point and reinforces the systemic racism narrative. The average white person probably has no time to be racist and actually probably doesnt realise it exists and they have a privilege not afforded to others. The problem is with policies and laws which are inherently racist!

[@blitzegron4848]

@@TheOgapatapata what privilege? Colleges give preference to blacks over white and asian. Gov programs also prefer non- white and female over white male. The system prefers minorities. Search for Thomas Sowell, Larry Elders, Candace Owens, Brandon Tatum. What you see is the result of poor choices, government intervention, and proverbs in the culture. Asians typically do better than whites in everything.

[@cw2544]

Sloppy argument for two main reasons - he already covered that Caribbean ppl who immigrate are already in possession of skills and traits that would help them deal with systemic racism BECAUSE their lineage didn't form in America. So he's kind of proving that having your lineage form in America, in that pressure cooker of systemic racism DOES disadvantage you over generations. Second, the real test would be to look at Caribbean ppl's children and compare their socioeconomic status with that of white immigrants' children - which I note he neglected to do. He seems genuine and not a shill from this little clip but it's a weak argument based on what he said. I'm of Caribbean descent and doing pretty well for myself so I'm of the class he's speaking of but our history with racism is quite different than that of Americans. We are children of slavery as well but our countries are black, not white. Seeing black ppl treated poorly for being black is way rarer and more subtle in the Caribbean than it is in America. If my lineage formed in America we'd have different expectations because of the systemic racism that defined our lifetimes across generations.

[@Nadine4266]

He Only compared the children of immigrants. He never talked about the parents but only their children who were American born. He said it several times.

[@onegaisti]

I’m not sure I would call his argument weak but I definitely agree with what you’re saying and am looking forward to someone responding. I think part of what he touched on as far as divorce percentages play a significant role as far as black Americans. I am interested the history of racism in the Caribbean countries and how they differ from the US

[@onegaisti]

Regina Buttons Oh, I forgot. Many black Americans don’t make it to marriage. The baby daddy/baby mama thing is what black folks lead in

[@onegaisti]

endzoutwest Cheap shot? You’re telling me divorce plays no role in how likely the child is to develop into a successful person? Keep in mind, just because YOU’RE doing well, doesn’t mean divorce wouldn’t affect someone else in a different way. Not to mention, is it possible you would’ve fulfilled even more potential had your parents stayed together?

[@brownsfan6447]

onegaisti I think it’s less divorce and more the lack of a father entirely. My parents were divorced, but I still had a father who could show me how to be a man.

[@obtuserin]

“just work hard” says the outliers 😭

[@dlg78]

Or it shows that systemic racism, if it even exists, is an excuse.

[@obtuserin]

dlp78 the “just work hard” mentality ignores the vast majority of people that do work hard and don’t get rewarded 🤔

[@dlg78]

@@obtuserin work smart, not hard..

[@obtuserin]

dlp78 same idea???

[@mangomak1342]

dlp78 Hundreds of years of racial biases does not affect the present? That’s like saying spending money today won’t make me poorer tomorrow.

[@pistoltotinmama]

In the West Indies, we don’t know about racism. I didn’t know about it until I moved here.

[@stringer-ik1pc]

Yet you were put on the west indies by the white man.

[@madwand28]

@@stringer-ik1pc poor way to look at it. She's looking at her circumstances and future and what she's experienced. She's not focused on her past. My grandfather drank, beat his wife, and caused trauma to my mother. Do I look at this and say I've been impacted? Everyone has negative in their history. How far back so you want to go? Move forward.

[@stringer-ik1pc]

@@madwand28 tell that to the blacks complaining about slavery. You twat.

[@affinity3281]

@@stringer-ik1pc nobody alive today owned slaves or was a slave in America or West indies. Some 3rd world countries still have slave markets today.

[@stringer-ik1pc]

@@affinity3281check out 'who do you think you are' ainsley harriot. His ancestors were slave masters. And he's black.

[@robertgarvansnyder4665]

7:00 - he acknowledges that Black & White Marriage Rates (ie 2 vs 1 parent homes) were similar until the 60s, says it’s a “matter of scholarly dispute” what changed during that time, and suggests “changing norms” and “The Welfare State” as two possible explanations, without once mentioning the clear link between expansion/monetization of mass incarceration and subsequent disruption of family structure during that exact time period. Even if your view is that it’s all about parenting, and not at all about other systemic factors, it’s a pretty huge oversight to ignore the way that prisons link those two.

[@djinngeist114]

You are completely right... You know what though, I wonder if the spike of violent crimes between 1960 to 1970 by a percentage of 126% has anything to do with them number of incarcerations though... I'm not really sure though

[@smithnwesson990]

But Prison isn't random. It is the result of criminal actions or poor life choices.

[@themysteriousnavi6850]

People really need to think and believe for themselves more instead of thinking and believing what others tell them. (The media and political parties)

[@notatheist]

The drug war, welfare state, and culture changed family units for the worse.

[@rickyv7757]

And those were all covert operations done by the government.

[@SuperMysteryboi]

Ricky V yea man cause the white man made you guys glorify gangs,drugs, and a life of projects and hustling. Totally not the contribution of a shitload of rappers. Blame the white man that fathers walk out of there family’s lives.

[@zeee9856]

@@SuperMysteryboi I mean.. if that is what you are seeing from every facet of your life: media, neighborhood, everyday life that is what you see yourself as. Some people are simply born into gangs, and let's be honest, the only differences between gangs and mafias (HIGHLY GLORIFIED and not seen in the same light) are they are white and have money. America does a wonderful job of perpetuating the victim mentality of black people and that plays a large role in the contentment some people in the hood experience; not just content but a feeling of being trapped in that role. I believe systemic racism is real, but I will not say that we do not play a role, by not challenging those systems to a degree

[@eleanorlondon1961]

@@rickyv7757 Doesn’t mean you have to fall into that trap.

[@rickyv7757]

@@SuperMysteryboi Who mentioned anything about race? You must be a race baiting pig. You ever heard of Iran-Contra? Maybe you need to learn more about your own government and stop worshipping them, you shill.

[@Tarotgenius]

I know that I can do absolutely anything that I set my mind to.

[@Benz100]

Lol, If just it was that easy, everybody would have been millionaires and living the best life.

[@Aphrodite_ErosLuvChild214-80]

Thats is true for any person.just more realised it

[@nemeru3352]

Get to the moon?

[@Tarotgenius]

@@Benz100 but you don’t believe it, and neither do they 😉⭐️ do ya now?

[@Tarotgenius]

@@nemeru3352 I’d have to dedicate my life to it and yes. But I’m not passionate about going to the moon. But Of course

[@countalma9800]

What a brilliant man.

[@mauiblack1068]

If I like how a cake taste I look at the ingredients to find out how it was made. As a black man who is in the top 10 percent of earners in the country let me tell you what systematic racism is to me, how and why it still exist today. First, I will say that yes, for the most part anyone can become anything in America regardless of your skin color, but there is an underlying issue that goes with that premise. The issue starts with the past and how the black community was shaped through slavery ,then Jim crow and further with laws that put the black community the dire straights that it is. For example, in 1921 there was a town in Tusla, Oklahoma aka Black wall street where there was a thriving black community with over 600 black owned businesses, hospitals, planes and so on and so forth. It was burned to the grownd by the kkk and the united states government. Imagine the generational wealth that was lost. Imagine what that does to a community. The system did that. The racism did that. Link available here. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rl6spaaGd7l5hZI Next. What did redlining do to our community. You should look it up to see how it helped whites gain wealth through their properties but bankrupted black people with unfair loan practices. The system did that. The racism did that. Who killed MLK. The system, The racism. Who labeled the Black panther party a terrorist group who was only sticking up and trying to help the black community. The system did that, the racism did that. Who poured drugs in the community and guns into the community. The system did that, the racism did that. The black family was literally torn apart. Our black leaders were all killed and then the rappers were given a microphone to take their place. What happened to the black community was a deliberate and calculated attack on it. Look up the 13th amendment. You cant have slaves and free labor so the next best thing is to jail black men to get the same result. I could go on and on and on and on about how systematic racism shaped the state of mind of the black community today but i will stop here.

[@ZachVanHarrisJR]

*Black Americans that go overseas are incredibly successful. The missing factor is traveling. Getting out of their hood, their city, their state, their country, their continents and see their WORLD.*

[@there-re-release4213]

This might be the most productive comment

[@CJ-jd4yn]

You'd have to provide evidence to support that claim. However, black people who leave America probably have more wealth and better education that those who remain.

[@jinxtacy]

Ain't that the truth. I've had friends that move out of our area they do great they come back and they whined up hanging out with the same old and getting into the same old stupid shit. Conversely though when you consider the type of people that do find themselves in the opportunity to leave their areas they probably bring with them a skillset or something of significance which can disproportionately skew the results. I was the problem child what the problem friends and the only way I could get help with funding for education was to leave my state. I hated it but in retrospect allowed me to mature a little and see life separate from my friends. Before I knew it I came back home I was 25 with no record and I'm watching all my friends that picked up records struggling to find work. And ever since then I just stayed on the straight and narrow. Luckily I was provided that opportunity which I hated at the time but in the long run has served me well. I still think we can do a lot to improve funding for education and I'm really big on field trips for students two places of culture and colleges just as like a glimpse that there is something then what we see everyday. I've been blessed to live in nice areas and absolute hood areas and it's kind of interesting whenever you see people trying to have discussions and they just don't understand that someone can live differently than they have lived. I do think education is currency and not all education is equally valuable. That said, I do think different parts of the country are very different from each other and even different neighborhoods in the same city are very different from each other. I do think that events in our history have disproportionately slanted opportunity and culturally within those communities there has been a negative effect. I think there is some truth to systemic racism but I think that it isn't insurmountable nor should it be a scapegoat for just bad choices. We still have personal responsibility and I am the first one to admit I have not always been and the quality of my life has been negatively affected but those are my decisions and I live with it. We cannot let our obstacles the finest and exclude us from personal responsibility while at the same time we should be able to at least discuss societal issues rather than just seek affirmation. There is plenty of room for improvement in our country, ourselves, and our systems. Self-righteousness is an enemy in today's world. Let us be humble and exercise humility in self reflection and at least be honest with ourselves and others. I'm not even religious but a lot of the content in the scriptures is a great advice.

[@nelo1285]

This same thing can be applied to "Hispanics" when you look at the outcomes of the individuals by origin country in crime, income, education, etc... You see differences that the media won't discuss.

[@B10401]

Absolutely. My friend's dad is Puerto Rican and can't stand illegal immigration. He voted for Trump, and I think he considers it racist to say that Trump's desire for a strong border means Trump is racist. He may be right.

[@cycle4lifeac]

Highly impressed with this young man.

[@gordonstewart8897]

I think that racism is often confused with homogenetity; the desire of people of like skin color, religion or shared environment or experiences to live together in a community.

[@joeyfergen3826]

Exactly which is white priveledge the majority population of 80-70% America will most likely favor people like them when giving out opportunities as one research conducted by Penn state on job opportunities and race as it shows a white man with a criminal record has more of an advantage than a black man with no record when applying to the same job. There's video on it in KZbin on soc119 channel

[@EB-bl6cc]

Also stereotyping is confused with racism. If the stats show that one race does something way more than another, then it's natural to think they are more likely to do that thing. If you see a couple white girls going down a street and 1 block in front of them is a coffee shop, it's natural to think they are more likely to go into the coffee shop than the gruff guy nearby who looks like he just got off from a long shift. You're thinking he probably prefers beer. That statement is neither racist nor sexist, it's simply playing the averages.

[@KAKADOUJACK]

Man, this video aged like a truly fine vintage.

[@TheTripstraps]

thank god, voice of reason finally

[@alexisjankowski3281]

To me, Mr. Hughes represents the kinds of black men that I know. Responsible family men. The thug, home invader image is not a black man.

[@onegaisti]

Some people can’t help the environment they’re born. Not that I’m justifying thug behavior but if a kid is abandoned by his thug father and continues to grow up in the hood, he’s likely to be a thug as an adult. Who’s to blame?

[@onegaisti]

@Bobby Digital Oh, I'm telling you it's a choice but not to the degree we'd like. This is why I'll never say a kid raised in the gutter (drugs, violence, single mom, etc) has a zero chance of becoming successful. It's always possible they can make something of themselves, just not likely. Take that same child raised in the upper-middle class, two parents with real-world values... those odds go up. Am I right? There's many other factors that come into play as well

[@onegaisti]

Bobby Digital Wth, i wanted to know. You sure it’s KZbin?

[@karinacaban1398]

I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THEY DELETED THIS COMMENT BECAUSE IT WAS TOO REAL FOR YOU SHITHEADS TO HANDLE - so here is a somewhat shorter version of it that i will leave here, because i really do not have the energy. Coleman rightfully points out that immigrant groups have greater success bc they are more motivated. He overlooks other characteristics common to immigrant groups that can also contribute to this success. Immigrant parents tend to be much more strict than average parents, they tend to be more culturally conservative, they have a higher propensity to assimilate for fear of deportation and/or desire to achieve the greatest success possible. Taking on the mentality that they will ‘do whatever it takes’ because whatever they were fleeing from was worse. He fails to mention the prison industrial complex, redlining, unequal access to wealth, education, and health services that hold black communities. He fails to mention the fact that black people are constantly having the cops called on them bc they are seen as ‘dangerous’ and are disproportionately murdered by police. He fails to mention that this dangerous perception of black people is perpetuated through the media, hollywood, and music - all white supremacist industries who benefit from maintaining this image. It is completely unfair to compare this immigrant group to the general population. Imagine a group of black teens drinking/smoking weed in a park at night can have their entire lives ruined. While white kids with absolutely be sent home to their parents. Maybe the black child of the immigrant family was not allowed to go out at night, or was forced to dress nicely, or was encouraged to make more white friends and assimilate. But this is what you guys want right? For people of color to assimilate. If its not clear enough.. that in an of itself is racism and white supremacy. You view the host culture as something to be desired compared to the ‘inferior’ culture of the immigrant. Coleman here has surely assimilated. He is an example of a person with so much internalized racism that he chooses white approval over black advancement. Seems to have worked cuz you fuckers love him.

[@christiansmith2547]

This man sounds like a young Thomas Sowell.

[@youtubian010]

That because he is black ;)

[@Max-po9gd]

hes definitely very influenced by sowell

[@Max-po9gd]

@Chopped Wood , @stewrt prher nah, the entire west indies vs black americans talking point comes from Sowell actually, he talks about it in another video Ive seen here on youtube, and Coleman is definitely very influenced by Sowell

[@youtubian010]

Max its called a sense of humour.

[@EventHorizonPrdctns]

I couldn't even watch past a minute-and-a-half because this guy pointed out so much hard truth just in that time that I didn't need to watch more than a minute and a half for my mind to be opened to what he was saying.

[@hughkwan9681]

we need more of such CALM and fact laden discussions on complex topics. the rants in the crowded online space is driving everyone nuts

[@CollinMacQuarrie]

If the victimhood narrative can be perpetuated then those perpetuating it can remain relevant.

[@minimento3978]

Alternatively the victimhood narrative could be true and people could be ignoring it because accepting it would make them feel bad.

[@TheDiverJim]

Mostafa A focusing on one’s Victimhood only causes one to blame others for the results of their lives and removes the ability to effect change. If you are responsible for your actions, then you are able to effect change in your life. If you’re not responsible then how can you effect change?

[@libertyordeath555]

Or certain racist elements in society could just stop f@%king people over that don't look like them ....#CrimingWhileWhite Brilliantly Destroys Law Enforcement's Racial Double Standard mic.com/articles/105694/criming-while-white-brilliantly-destroys-law-enforcement-s-racial-double-standard Police in Alabama planted drugs and guns on over 1,000 innocent Black men rollingout.com/2015/12/03/racist-police-in-alabama-planted-drugs-and-guns-on-over-1000-innocent-black-men San Diego Police Stop Black People at a Rate 219 Percent Higher Than White People. www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/san-diego-police-stop-black-people-at-a-rate-219-percent-higher-than-white-people/ Data backs up 'driving while black' concept, UNC professor says kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJvJg4mApthsers Charlottesville police data shows more blacks arrested www.winchesterstar.com/associated_press/virginia/charlottesville-police-data-shows-more-blacks-arrested/article_76901d68-96ba-55b8-848c-01c6c9692b0e.html Disparities in stop-and-frisk data met with consternation www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/crime/disparities-in-stop-and-frisk-data-met-with-consternation/article_470711d6-2fab-11e8-9348-eb7b349652d3.html NJ Police Chief Demoted to Patrolman after Instructing Officers to Racially Profile Blacks blackmainstreet.net/nj-police-chief-demoted-patrolman-instructing-officers-racially-profile-blacks/ Inside 100 million police traffic stops: New evidence of racial bias www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/inside-100-million-police-traffic-stops-new-evidence-of-racial-bias/ar-BBUJp5i Ferguson Prosecutor Quits After Racial Bias Found In Criminal Courts newsone.com/3442385/ferguson-prosecutor-stephanie-karr-quits/ Charged with same crime, Iowa paper shows black suspects’ mug shots but whites get yearbook pics www.rawstory.com/2015/03/charged-with-same-crime-iowa-paper-shows-black-suspects-mug-shots-but-whites-get-yearbook-pics/ The Great Land Robbery: How Federal Policies Dispossessed Black Americans of Millions of Acres www.democracynow.org/2019/8/16/vann_newkirk_great_land_robbery?fbclid=IwAR3fY_f92bUuuBFZjHKQPcqJtHI8wWn6SM5U3JM7hwYBdvKqC56QhAaquS0 The History of Redlining www.thoughtco.com/redlining-definition-4157858 Redlining's legacy: Maps are gone, but the problem hasn't disappeared www.cbsnews.com/news/redlining-what-is-history-mike-bloomberg-comments/ Racial Disparities in Healthcare are Pervasive kzbin.info/www/bejne/imPQmqWPmtJ2o9E Why Coronavirus Is Hitting the Black Community Hardest |5:33 kzbin.info/www/bejne/ene9k2Wnd66le9k How Does Implicit Bias Affect Health Care? kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJaad5mcZ75-nK8 A doctor’s memoir shows race matters in the hospital room kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIWtkmaVe5V_mtk NYC NURSE BREAKS DOWN OVER NEGLIGENT TREATMENT OF COVID PATIENTS | NYC | NURSES | COVID 19 | TNL kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3TYZ4qcbZVgipY NON-WHITE SCHOOL DISTRICTS GET $23 BILLION LESS FUNDING THAN WHITE ONES psmag.com/education/nonwhite-school-districts-get-23-billion-less-funding-than-white-ones White Students Get More K-12 Funding Than Students of Color: Report www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2019-02-26/white-students-get-more-k-12-funding-than-students-of-color-report U.S. police chiefs group apologizes for ‘historical mistreatment’ of minorities www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2016/10/17/head-of-u-s-police-chiefs-apologizes-for-historic-mistreatment-of-minorities/ NYPD Officer Claims He Was Disciplined For Not Arresting More Blacks, Hispanics In Subways newsone.com/3320546/nypd-officer-disciplined-for-not-arresting-blacks-hispanics/ The anger behind the protests, explained in 4 charts www.vox.com/2020/5/31/21276004/anger-police-killing-george-floyd-protests? Federal judges order new North Carolina district lines thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/344714-federal-judges-order-new-north-carolina-district-lines (Library) kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZypZoh9pc6piJo Driven kzbin.info/www/bejne/mp-0e6qdrLBkrKM Fighting Housing Discrimination in 2019 www.urban.org/urban-wire/fighting-housing-discrimination-2019 HUD Study Finds that Minorities Still Face Unequal Treatment from Housing Providers nlihc.org/resource/hud-study-finds-minorities-still-face-unequal-treatment-housing-providers This Is What Housing Discrimination in the U.S. Looks Like nextcity.org/daily/entry/housing-discrimination-us-report.

[@minimento3978]

Intelligent argument, but he mentions it's own shortcomings. Different cultures, wealth, education. All of it matters.

[@TheDiverJim]

It important to point those differences out. The predominant American Black culture is horrible for black Americans who think it’s a good thing. Thug life, pot, and all the other tropes that are displayed in modern Black TV and movie are demonstrations on how to not get ahead.

[@halofreak1990]

Wealth doesn't factor in nearly as much as you'd think. Just look at most immigrants. They have next to nothing when they enter the country, but will have a roof over their head and a proper income by the same time the next year as they build their future. And with that income, they can study, get a degree, and move up on the ladder, making even more money. The main difference, and this isn't solely on culture, but actually mainly on upbringing, is the amount of effort they're _willing_ to invest in getting somewhere in life. Kids need to be taught that hard work pays off, or they'll never bother.

[@Bahamuttiamat]

I think you're missing the point. Blacks in America are very different emotionally that those elsewhere. They've enduring the punishment of a corrupt system far longer with devastating effects. The key difference is, West Indian's haven't suffered the crime of lost identity. Plus, those that immigrate to the US, Canada and Britain are usually very educated.

[@minimento3978]

@@TheDiverJim when you bring up a groups culture as a factor of their discrimination instead of the systematic abuse they suffer, then you're travelling a path that isn't going to solve anything, even if you're right and culture is a major factor (which I personally don't agree with but there isn't a way to prove that either way).

[@minimento3978]

@@halofreak1990 I think mainstream media loves to sell that kind of immigrant to us, in reality the majority of immigrants have at least some kind of savings, which is more than a lot of Americans unfortunately

[@sirtriston8882]

Them crab claws stayed up the whole time

[@ZachVanHarrisJR]

*Peace and one love* ✌🏾❤️

[@adamthefrog2602]

Immigration almost always leads to cultural prosperity, look at Australia. We are multicultural and in almost every cultural group we took in they just thrived. Like the Vietnamese in the late 1970's. They brought their problems with them at first but in the end they achieved cultural and economic prosperity. Of course, a recent look at Middle-Eastern immigrants in Europe and it's a completely different story, and that will take time to solve. With Black folk from the West Indies, its probably a similar story. Immigrants bring certain skills and traits to a gap in the marketplace which lets them thrive, and adapting to a new environment has it's own benefits too. To do this you need strong traits in the first place. Comparing people like that to African-Americans is not really valid because these African Americans are stuck in a rut, they're stuck in a cycle of poverty, of poor housing conditions, have permanent records, are single-parented, victims of crime and abuse etc. But IT IS because of their culture. I can drive an hour west to a place called Ipswich in Australia and it's virtually the same with white people - drugs, abuse, violence, poverty, poor outcomes, BAD CULTURE. TL;DR Cultural prosperity comes from the culture. West Indies brought their successful culture with them. African Americans need to fix theirs.

[@srkn5721]

Adam Milne As in “culture” you are saying the disparity has to do with the behavior and beliefs characteristic to black culture. The problem I see with this is that black people who suffer from that cycle of poverty aren’t there because they want to be but they don’t know how to get out of it. Welfare and oppression against poorer communities involving the criminal justice system, and terrible school systems which black communities suffer most from etc, doesn’t help either.

[@youjinkim9132]

I don't think that it's "racial" culture. That is bias. It is more of a culture or moral that stems from their sense of security and functional or disfinctional system (if they have stable economy, access to quality education, jobs availability, sense of belonging)

[@MRony]

Very astute observation. You just missed the elephant in the room. The cultural issuesbinbthe African American communities are a direct result of their history of being systematically disinfrenchised. Even during the civil rights movement the federal government actively targeted the leaders that would have helped changed their culture into one that could have prospered. Look up COINTELPRO. Look up the statistics on marriage and how it was government policy, and the war on drugs that shifted the demographic into single parent households.

[@TreyDoe]

M. Rony bro, thank you. I don’t understand why people dont get how the problem is systemic and keep comparing an immigrants experience to a black one.

[@au6769]

Do you know what redlining is? And have you ever watched "The 13th"? (its free to watch on Netflix if not). It outlines how race and status in America go hand in hand. Redlining was the method racists in America used to be able to group blacks in poorer neighbourhoods. That already can already start a child at a disadvantage as the poorer schools and poorer conditions can advance into being unable to have the funds to pursue further education, even the location of where the child is homed affects the chances of getting into certain higher colleges. This idea that all black people have to do is pull up their bootstraps and graft 23000 times harder to make it is stupid because it ignores all the problems that came post-slavery. The argument is not that black people want it easy, its more about looking at a system that came directly from post slavery and asking what can be done so that everyone has an equal footing in America, because believe me a lot of black people do work hard but many are overlooked due to race and its sad that when a lot of Conservative black people do "make it" they just turn around and blame black people rather than looking at the system we are born in to. Before you reply calling me a lefty or whatever, I'm not, I just read and understand a lot of this country's history and the effects that are still ingrained in our society today like the Prison Industrial Complex and the War on Drugs (which one of Reagan's aides at the time had admitted was about targeting black folks under the guise of stopping criminality). I do advise you all to watch The 13th on KZbin or Netflix. I am happy to have an open discussion about this but it is probably easier if you watch it for yourself.

[@AlexM-wv8zx]

Redlining was definitely a big issue, but it can’t be the only factor. Asian Americans were also heavily affected by redlining, but had the highest home ownership rates of any minority group by the 1970s, and are in line with white Americans today. There has to be a cultural affect also.

[@btm1]

A lot of what you are saying is valid and we are not born equal unfortunately but the problem is that the left, mainstream media and SJW do not help with those issue but actually do more harm than good. They are all about virtue signalling, being hateful and resentful against white people for stuff they did not do and above all they promote and incite violence. And now we all saw where their propaganda has led us to. We all have to do our best to improve the world for all the people regardless of their race. But in the same time we have to critise bad ideas and be honest without the fear of looking fascist or racist if we are not in the same boat with Antifa, BLM or any other SJW group out there full of loons and we need to have leaders that stand up to them otherwise I'm afraid things could only get worse.

[@au6769]

@M Tooth Drinking the Kool Aid? This is documented in History. Reagan's advisor is on tape saying the war on drugs as a target on black people. If you choose to ignore facts then this conversation can't go anywhere. Others in this thread have at least acknowledged it is a real thing. In terms of immigration you have to remember a lot of older generations consumed their ideas of America through TV shows and films where a lot of this isn't highlighted. Remember America has always been viewed by the outer world as the "land of opportunity", whilst that may be correct it is hardly advertised as the land of racism or extensive wealth divide, the same way the UK enticed Jamaicans from the Windrush generation to come over and fight for the UK because the "Streets were paved in gold", a lot of those same soldiers have recently been illegally kicked out of the UK now even after their service due to new racist policies brought in by the UK conservative government (Again, well documented and a big case going on in the UK). Also, what benefits do black people have in America? Before you say affirmative action, research shows that infact white women have benefited the most from it.... so I am interested to hear.

[@au6769]

@@AlexM-wv8zx Ofcourse, but not as badly affected. As stated above, the war on drugs and mass incarceration / prisoners for profit system played a MAJOR role in the effects on the black community. The FBI have also been saying for the last 30 years how strong the presence of the KKK is in America's judicial and police system do you not think those play a part in any of this? Have you ever heard of the Tulsa Race Massacre? That was one but not the only example of black people working hard to build up their own infrastructure like the Asians, just for it to be bombed and destroyed by the KKK / Police. In short, the cycle for us In America was basically, force blacks in to poor areas with bad school systems to make them more inclined to commit crime, over-police so that we have young black men servicing 10 years for small bags of weed possession (hence the whole "single mother" narrative), have a system where racist police men who are known to have been known to plant evidence on black men can walk free (MANY examples of this on google) , have a system where judges and prisons can make money off more prisoners and cheap labor and repeat (Again easily can be researched). Black people aren't out here just asking for an easy step up to life, but you cant help the future if you are willingly ignoring your past leaving you unable to learn from your mistakes.

[@au6769]

@@btm1 I definitely hear you, thats why I stated I am not liberal or left wing or whatever because I think a lot of the left and media are performative and try to co opt our struggles to look like "the good guys", but one thing I also hate is this idea that its always been black people holding ourselves back when from the start this system was never made for us and it is very ignorant to ignore the roots of this country and how not a lot has changed in the system.

[@promisberg]

Dave thanks for your courage on many topics

[@Muzzle1300]

My grandfather immigrated from Mexico, literally had nothing and had a family, he left for the US during the Reagan administration and left the family behind but sent them money to support as best he can. Soon he opened a business and owned land and immigrated his family to live with him and pushed everyone in the family to work hard and get a good education, which they did including my mother. Sadly I didn’t have a father and so my mom worked extra hard to make sure we all had the support to both survive but also get stuff we want. After her father passed away he left the to the family, and my mother runs them with some being small businesses and others being houses people rent, meanwhile we own a small factory that makes Mexican ingredients that we deliver to other nearby businesses. I took a lot of stuff for granted as a child and only now being able to study abroad thanks to my mother do I realize and appreciate how hard she and my family have worked.

[@Luke-js2ek]

Incredible incredible video. Absolutely eye opening this is one very smart man, a true role model for black America

[@gersoncifuentes614]

He's leaving out a few key items that I can speak to as an immigrant. 1.) You are bound by stricter laws when you are going through the naturalization process. Run-ins with the police may jeopardize your ability to get a green card and so on.. The foreign populations are more likely to keep their heads down. The Police would know the difference in these populations as well. They would understand the cultural differences and would have situational awareness into their how their legal status here makes them more compliant. 2) People who come from outside this country have an advantage: We do not inherit the history of this country. It is not part of our reality or consciousness. Studies should take into account and quantify the psychological effects of being born here vs. being born outside the U.S. From personal experience, not hearing racial slurs from a young age helped me develop into a more stable person. I was older once I moved here so hearing those things did not cripple me. Inheritance is a big part of what makes us what we are, and so in that sense, black Americans are at a disadvantage I think. 3) You are foolish if you think personal racism (which there is plenty of) does not make its way into institutions. So what you're saying is, yes people are racist, but those same people have enough integrity to not let that affect their work...

[@RedIgauna]

thank you for this, well said.

[@dlg78]

He was comparing kids of immigrants to native kids, not the parents.

[@yungdomino4718]

I fundamentally disagree with your second point, because the idea of systemic racism is predicated on the idea that if you're not white, you're at an inherent disadvantage due to racist institutions within the US. If non-white immigrants, of all people, can still manage to largely be successful the issue isn't the system, or that the system is inherently racist. Additionally, being a black American growing up here, you don't really hear racial slurs. Especially not now. And if you do, its very rare, and rarely hateful. Thing is, blaming some annoying fuck for the large lack of success within certain communities is a simplistic answer to a far deeper problem. If that actually held black people back, you'd also see a lot of short men and ugly women being particularly unsuccessful because of their shortness or uglyness rather than for reasons unrelated. America is a very, very capitalist society. At the end of the day, people in America want to make money. Personal racism can make ita way into institutions, sure, but its always at a very low, insignificant level. You're not gonna see incredibly rich people who are racist because excluding entire demographics because of race is a really good way to lose money, and that's entirely due to alienation of customers. You don't make money being racist

[@gersoncifuentes614]

@@yungdomino4718 The point is, that if you do not have to hear racial slurs and derogatory language about who you are as a person from a young age, that you are at an advantage from people that do. Make sense?

[@gersoncifuentes614]

@@yungdomino4718 Also, from personal experience, as a non white person, I can tell you that racism is still very prevalent in this country. You're fooling yourself if you think people rarely have to deal with racism today.

[@RafaelBahiense]

Same as in Brazil - the excuse is that there is a bias; the reality is that the problem is a culture that needs to be changed, and improving your social-economic reality takes a HUGE amount of hard work that not many are willing to do.

[@TheDesvendador]

Concordo com alguns pontos, mas a diferença é que no Brasil, devido ao ambiente econômico fechado e burocrático, o negro não pode "ascencer" com a mesma facilidade que um negro norte americano

[@RafaelBahiense]

@@TheDesvendador entendo seu ponto. Extrapolando ele um pouco, ele reforça que o contexto brasileiro é ruim, então um branco brasileiro também tem mais dificuldade que um americano e assim por diante.

[@anniearmitage3633]

I love how Dave Rubin gives Coleman every opportunity to explain his view.

[@dodawes]

🙈🙈🙈 except for the part where he compares high skill immigrants to lower income black Americans .....or did he let that slot 🥴🥴🥴

[@johnwarning9050]

The message of hard work and whatnot is useful, however this idea doesn't really refute the argument of systemic racism. Just because one part of a group does far better than the other doesn't mean the whole group isnt oppressed. Surely some slaves were far better off than others and perhaps had a little wealth that would hardly suggest slaves weren't oppressed

[@skyscrapersheaf5300]

The speaker himself mentions why this argument can not exactly prove the non-existence of systemic racism. However, it is still a worthy argument based on hard data. Every single argument used as a proof systemic racism I have ever seen was either based solely on "feelings" or had an obvious statistical error at its core.

[@ShaneChaffin]

Solid counter argument

[@roenwijn2057]

@@skyscrapersheaf5300 How is this an answer to disproportionally shooting unarmed black men by police than any other group? Just because that group commits more crime doesn't mean the police should change their conduct based on race, right?

[@rhodotron2161]

thats why he doesnt refute it

[@roenwijn2057]

@@rhodotron2161 But isn't that a piece of data that confirms systemic racism? He sites data that proves his point, that systemic racism isn't everywhere all the time (to put it simply), without actually disproving that it isn't a problem for many. Calling it a myth, what he so often does, is damaging because white people might use this 'prove' to take away from how serious of a problem systemic racism can be and, in some cases, is.

[@zackmorris6616]

He sounds and articulates like a black Sam Harris

[@MaryamPirzada]

😍 wow yes.

[@ProjectFamalam]

man was just thinking this

[@zackmorris6616]

BigErn_Mccraken because he is a black man making points on black Americans.

[@lukesorensen6489]

​@@zackmorris6616 yes but guarantee you wouldn't describe Sam Harris as "a white Coleman Hughes."

[@user-fl6jf4pn2o]

Luke Sorensen I mean, if Coleman Hughes was more popular than Sam Harris...I probably would. You’re bitching and moaning about literally nothing. Suck it the fuck up.

[@kaugh]

I rarely like videos, didn't watch this tbh im just letting you know I liked your video because you put the full video link in description thank you. I appreciate that greatly.

[@josejonez5974]

My uncle got a full scholarship for his dream school because they thought he was black it got revoked bc he wasn’t. I don’t understand why there is affirmative action for rich black people and not poor white people.

[@Daisy-ml3og]

That is sooo true. In the UK there’s no help for working class white people. Also I’m against affirmative action.

[@dylan6386]

I appreciate his talking points however I do think that systemic racism does exist, but to me sociologically one of the biggest factors hindering African-American people is the victim mentality. But then we need to get into why is that victimhood mentality even there in the first place and I think it’s primarily for self-preservation.

[@brodssn]

How does systemic racism exist if you can’t quantify it? I agree there is racism and prejudice that is apparent in this country but if the definition of systemic racism comes down to “well if I’m born black in this country I’m being oppressed from birth” (which is what the media has been providing an overview for recently) I’ve got a about a hundred African American, Jamaican, and Caribbean friends that firmly disagree and in fact get annoyed with the victim mentality that would create from birth.

[@cansado54]

@@brodssn look most hispanics , immigrants that are gardeners or work at factories , almost all of them have a house , ride a nice car , and get to go out and visit mom and dad abroad ..and still have money to take the whole familia out and i can affirm that mostly all of them dont complain of racism ..they work and what makes stand out conservative values ..LA FAMILIA

[@yoboiboy4182]

veronica carlson here’s a link to systemic racism. There is no barrier that makes it impossible for black people to succeed. The issue is that it is disproportionately more difficult given our history and current status. www.reddit.com/r/BreadTube/comments/etyyw3/vaushs_ultimate_research_document_a_comprehensive/

[@karlos_infamous]

noticed that he did not use "African American" but instead used "Black American" 👏👏👏

[@demonsluger]

african american is a bullshit term if u only think of it as blacks a white south african would also be an african american

[@karlos_infamous]

@@demonsluger exactly. There are also non-black people who are "African" such as Moroccans, Algerians, Egyptians, Tunisians, Libyans. I guess liberals/democrats are the ones who mostly use "African American" but don't even know a thing about Africa 😅

[@vinnyv4640]

The question I pose is: does one spend more frivolously when they are given money or when they work 40hrs a week for a check

[@smokiemcgoo8569]

Such a simple explanation for people to NOT HEAR OTHER PEOPLE! JUST LISTEN TO THIS GUY!; CAUSE HE BELEIVES WHAT I BELEIVE. Keep Listening to people that reinforces what you already think! IT WILL HAVE YOU ONLY SEEING HALF THE STORY/ISSUE/MOVEMENT/CULTURE...WORLD!

[@m1j9s79]

How we gonna act like the fact all these black kids don’t usually have dad at home, isnt the number one problem

[@TheTripstraps]

what is goverment and white people blamed to be racist supposed to do about it then:)? chain those black fathers to their homes that they would not leave?

[@davidwhite325]

Because it isnt. It isnt about having a dad, its about being financially stable. In countries in which single motherhood is higher, you see kids do better because the government has social safety nets that support single mothers financially.

[@evana6066]

David White agreed it’s not like there’s white kids without fathers or that “all these black kids” don’t have them.. and to even think that is the biggest problem among a whole race

[@banjoboy01]

poor grammar and jargon does you a disservice, please learn from the articulate young gentleman in the video

[@NinjaCo101]

How about we stop over policing and over sentencing black people then, yeah?

[@husonuso]

Honestly, if you keep thinking like you’re the victim then you’re going to stay a victim. He pointed it out too, there are families who are HARD WORKING and do succeed. When you break it down to the basic level, you as individual, have the power to change YOUR life. Simple...

[@bobdole6640]

Thank you for adding this.

[@blountman747]

Anybody have a link to the whole conversation

[@biffalobull2335]

It’s interesting to note this mans car was vandalized during the interview.

[@biffalobull2335]

fynes leigh Sarcasm. It escapes you.

[@biffalobull2335]

fynes leigh go to your safe space

[@dakarishelby]

He missed with the whole word of "Generational".

[@artman2119]

This omission was not by accident. It's the sneaky post-racial narrative that counts. A picture must be painted and signal boosted that descendants of American chattel slavery are at the bottom rung of US socioeconomic measures because of self-inflicted "culture" not social engineering that has, and will impact generations.

[@Dbjjr26]

I'm a mechanic, so I see every problem in a stance of "I cant fix the problem if I dont know hiw it works". That's literally how everything works. If you dont know the actual problem, then you cant resolve it. If someone comes in to get something repaired and they lie to you, then you examine it with a skilled eye and then dissect the symptoms to get to the root problem... there are people who would still argue with you and think you want to cheat them. When in reality they just had no idea what the initial problem was that existed. Exhibit A. The uproar of racism and segregation and division being encouraged.

[@kailani1138]

Thank you for such an excellent talk, very informative and eye opening. 🌿✨☮️

[@sanmigueltv]

He’s great. A voice of reason among emotional chaos.

[@libertyordeath555]

There's nothing emotional about the facts...#CrimingWhileWhite Brilliantly Destroys Law Enforcement's Racial Double Standard mic.com/articles/105694/criming-while-white-brilliantly-destroys-law-enforcement-s-racial-double-standard Police in Alabama planted drugs and guns on over 1,000 innocent Black men rollingout.com/2015/12/03/racist-police-in-alabama-planted-drugs-and-guns-on-over-1000-innocent-black-men San Diego Police Stop Black People at a Rate 219 Percent Higher Than White People. www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/san-diego-police-stop-black-people-at-a-rate-219-percent-higher-than-white-people/ Data backs up 'driving while black' concept, UNC professor says kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJvJg4mApthsers Charlottesville police data shows more blacks arrested www.winchesterstar.com/associated_press/virginia/charlottesville-police-data-shows-more-blacks-arrested/article_76901d68-96ba-55b8-848c-01c6c9692b0e.html Disparities in stop-and-frisk data met with consternation www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/crime/disparities-in-stop-and-frisk-data-met-with-consternation/article_470711d6-2fab-11e8-9348-eb7b349652d3.html NJ Police Chief Demoted to Patrolman after Instructing Officers to Racially Profile Blacks blackmainstreet.net/nj-police-chief-demoted-patrolman-instructing-officers-racially-profile-blacks/ Inside 100 million police traffic stops: New evidence of racial bias www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/inside-100-million-police-traffic-stops-new-evidence-of-racial-bias/ar-BBUJp5i Ferguson Prosecutor Quits After Racial Bias Found In Criminal Courts newsone.com/3442385/ferguson-prosecutor-stephanie-karr-quits/ Charged with same crime, Iowa paper shows black suspects’ mug shots but whites get yearbook pics www.rawstory.com/2015/03/charged-with-same-crime-iowa-paper-shows-black-suspects-mug-shots-but-whites-get-yearbook-pics/ The Great Land Robbery: How Federal Policies Dispossessed Black Americans of Millions of Acres www.democracynow.org/2019/8/16/vann_newkirk_great_land_robbery?fbclid=IwAR3fY_f92bUuuBFZjHKQPcqJtHI8wWn6SM5U3JM7hwYBdvKqC56QhAaquS0 The History of Redlining www.thoughtco.com/redlining-definition-4157858 Redlining's legacy: Maps are gone, but the problem hasn't disappeared www.cbsnews.com/news/redlining-what-is-history-mike-bloomberg-comments/ Racial Disparities in Healthcare are Pervasive kzbin.info/www/bejne/imPQmqWPmtJ2o9E Why Coronavirus Is Hitting the Black Community Hardest |5:33 kzbin.info/www/bejne/ene9k2Wnd66le9k How Does Implicit Bias Affect Health Care? kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJaad5mcZ75-nK8 A doctor’s memoir shows race matters in the hospital room kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIWtkmaVe5V_mtk NYC NURSE BREAKS DOWN OVER NEGLIGENT TREATMENT OF COVID PATIENTS | NYC | NURSES | COVID 19 | TNL kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3TYZ4qcbZVgipY NON-WHITE SCHOOL DISTRICTS GET $23 BILLION LESS FUNDING THAN WHITE ONES psmag.com/education/nonwhite-school-districts-get-23-billion-less-funding-than-white-ones White Students Get More K-12 Funding Than Students of Color: Report www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2019-02-26/white-students-get-more-k-12-funding-than-students-of-color-report U.S. police chiefs group apologizes for ‘historical mistreatment’ of minorities www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2016/10/17/head-of-u-s-police-chiefs-apologizes-for-historic-mistreatment-of-minorities/ NYPD Officer Claims He Was Disciplined For Not Arresting More Blacks, Hispanics In Subways newsone.com/3320546/nypd-officer-disciplined-for-not-arresting-blacks-hispanics/ The anger behind the protests, explained in 4 charts www.vox.com/2020/5/31/21276004/anger-police-killing-george-floyd-protests? Federal judges order new North Carolina district lines thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/344714-federal-judges-order-new-north-carolina-district-lines (Library) kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZypZoh9pc6piJo Driven kzbin.info/www/bejne/mp-0e6qdrLBkrKM Fighting Housing Discrimination in 2019 www.urban.org/urban-wire/fighting-housing-discrimination-2019 HUD Study Finds that Minorities Still Face Unequal Treatment from Housing Providers nlihc.org/resource/hud-study-finds-minorities-still-face-unequal-treatment-housing-providers This Is What Housing Discrimination in the U.S. Looks Like nextcity.org/daily/entry/housing-discrimination-us-report Black Farmers Are Being Forced Off Their Land by Longstanding Government Discrimination www.vice.com/en_us/article/bj349a/black-farmers-are-being-forced-off-their-land-by-longstanding-government-discrimination 'It's not fair, not right': how America treats its black farmers www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/30/america-black-farmers-louisiana-sugarcane There were nearly a million black farmers in 1920. Why have they disappeared? www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/29/why-have-americas-black-farmers-disappeared Recent Lawsuit Alleges that Black Farmers Continue To Be Discriminated ellwoodthompsons.com/blog/food-advocates/recent-lawsuit-alleges-that-black-farmers-continue-to-be-discriminated/

[@pierrehenry3483]

As a Jamaican immigrant this is surprisingly very true. Our culture is vastly differently from African Americans when it comes to education as well other intangible attributes like disciple and walking on the straight and narrow.

[@chefromthebay]

African American culture has been negatively influenced (and depicted) by systemic racism in America since its inception. Your assertion reflects this: African Americans are depicted as not having the values you mention but guess what? Jamaicans and Jamaican Americans are often depicted the same way. You know better about your own culture but believe it about African Americans.

[@pierrehenry3483]

@@chefromthebay I never said i believe any assertions about AA. I concurred with what was said about many legally migrated caribbean immigrants particularly jamaicans.

[@chefromthebay]

@@pierrehenry3483 I misinterpreted the phrase "this is surprisingly true" to relate to the video's assertion rather than your context, my mistake

[@flyguy31164]

I would argue that the issue of the presence of systemic racism is undeniable. The impact it has on a population is dependant upon its ethnic history, cultural norms, social reinforcement, cultural changes, gov't policy, and economic availability just to name a few. To imply that a population not exposed to similar conditions performs better is comparing apples to oranges. It's implying that an abused wife should always be able to leave her abusive husband. I don't understand how folk can think it's that simple. I appreciate folk like this pushing for empowerment but that alone is not enough.

[@dlg78]

Did you not listen? He said native blacks and immigrant blacks are exposed to exactly the same social conditions, policies, schools, policing, education etc.. nothing is different apart from their mindset.

[@stevethomas182]

@@dlg78 Once again, if you think it is that simple then you also think every red apple is a Red Delicious, oblivious to the presence of 12+ other red types. Don't even get me started on how the majority of African immigrants are of a higher socio-economic class. That alone negates many of the native black experiences. Not cut and dry!

[@MrSecretMansion]

Interesting, but does it hold up when financial situations are accounted for/whether or not they come from a non “broken” household

[@williammagnusson2891]

This is what is so dangerous, he is referring to studies done in the 70s, do them today and tell me more. Lots of things changed during the 60s-80s. It was not long enough ago to abolish racism in peoples minds but speaking in terms of systematic racism and laws, they change in the second they are signed. And laws in this positive anti-rasist manner has been put in place since then.

[@npcimknot958]

I know several people who really became successful by detaching themselves their own ‘ communities.

[@Reesicup]

I think a huge difference is the mentality held by each group (the groups he's presenting as a comparison). Like the famous quote "If you think you can or can't, you're right." An immigrant from Barbados has a desire to make a better life for themeselves and believes coming to America will help them achieve their goals. They are determined and when they arrive in America they have the mentality that they can and will suceed here, utilizing the same work ethic that got them to America. They will then teach that same ethic to their children. Whereas someone in the black community born here in America, will likely be taught by their parents and the media that they are growing up in a world that will try to keep them down, a society that They are raised with the "Im already screwed" mentality. I remember those commercials about "the talk" that they said all black parents have with their children at some point. That talk is, I believe, one of the worst things a parent could teach their children. The subconscious mind will hold onto that idea that even if you are smart, or talented, you will be seen as less than because the system is rascist.

[@Still-Learning]

It's called capitulation...the act of surrendering or yielding. How many people in abusive relationships acquiesce to their abuser in order to gain favor and hopefully, lessen the abuse? In this "argument", the moral of the story is, just do your part in/for the system, cause no trouble, ask no questions, be a hard worker, train your children to do the same, and you will be showered with opportunity and favored, to a certain degree. Take the opposite path and you will get the feedback that I was given, "....you might not be seen as a team player." The best compliment I could have been given at the time, even though it was meant to instill fear. Let that sink in for a second...Is capitulation an ingredient in the formula for success or can success be achieved without doing "it" their way? -Keep Learning

[@leonardosciolis9620]

Well, could the increase of broken homes be caused by the systemic incarceration of black men due to the “war on drugs” and other “tough on crime” policies, which I am told targeted black communities much more unfairly than white communities?

[@mangomak1342]

Leonardo Sciolis Exactly.

[@mangomak1342]

Leonardo Sciolis it is really good to see critical analysis like this and to know despite the label of “emotional snowflakes” that we are consuming opposing viewpoints.

[@jloren4647]

Did the war on meth target whites? Disproportional effect is just another way to say "correlates". If a law is broken and we take agency out of the equation, we might as well do away with the entire justice system.

[@danielvelazquez1908]

J Loren I disagree with this take. During the War on Drugs, crack possession/usage was sentenced at a 100 to 1 ratio compared to cocaine. Crack was more prevalent in black communities due to it being a DILUTED form of cocaine but for some reason it was being sentenced at a 100 to 1 ratio? While cocaine was more prevalent in white communities and, not to mention, was more volatile? This isn’t just correlation when you look at the long lasting impact of this sentencing rate which put many families in jeopardy due to parents being incarcerated. Roughly one in every nine black children have a parent who has been in jail in the US and a large part of that is the legacy of unjust imprisonment of black and brown people in the industrial prison complex. While there may be other cases of bias, It doesn’t appear that the case you make has had the same impact on white people that say the War on Drugs had on black people. This isn’t simply correlation because when the opioid epidemic started, the governments response did not criminalize the white communities it impacted the most. In contract, the government used the crack epidemic to start the industrial prison complex that disproportionately impacts black and brown people to this day.

[@jloren4647]

@@danielvelazquez1908 While you are correct that crack is diluted cocaine, the effects are much different. It is more drastic than drinking tobacco tea vs cigarette use. But again, you can see that meth is a scourge in white communities and nearly as destructive. Do you think it is racism that drives this disparity or the fact that rural whites are breaking the laws governing meth? A look at what crack, meth and herion do to its users makes it understandable why they are outlawed while cocaine can somewhat be handled sometimes. (and is still super expensive and hella illegal) Yes, rich politicians will target enforce drugs they don't disseminate at their own parties. At the time, it was common to distribute cocaine and sometimes mj as well as expensive alcohols and banned cuban cigars at high brow events. This still goes on. Ive never seen a high society party that handed out crack or meth. Its just a fact that white people are convicted for meth charges drastically more than any race. Is it because of a systematic problem or because that is what they chose to do?

[@Mrkwesijohnson]

🤦🏾‍♂️ My word! As a young, first generation black West Indian immigrant with a Master's degree in Education and on my way to getting my MBA its so concerning to hear see this young man that knows a great deal about the issues come to such conclusions. One quick question would put this argument about systematic racism to rest. Dr.Jane has asked this question time and again. For my white brothers and sisters reading this would you be willing to trade placing with your black brothers or sisters permanently? Look at the CEOs of the S&P 500, any executive board/body across the country and tell me the demographic make up. The wealth gap, pay gap, disproportionate sentencing, social determinants factors, history of redlining, Tulsa, Tuskegee and the list goes on. My word, with these insights and his intellect he knows these stats. Maybe I'm missing something.

[@bendman336]

Agreed

[@user-vp5xf6fm5p]

Justice is not blind

[@grussem]

I wouldn't trade places with ANYONE permanently, white/black or otherwise, it's a silly question.

[@schroederscurrentevents3844]

It’s both incredible to me, and surprising (sadly) that these men were able to civilly have a conversation and look at the facts without bias.

[@mikepett4575]

This guy nails it. There isn't a race issue it is a culture issue. In order for equality to work at its optimum the question of culture must be addressed. If some one has a culture or religion that inhibits them compared to those they want to be equal to then they are never going to be successful

[@le0five363]

3:27 - Has race/bias held you back in life? One, they may be saying ‘no’ because race isn’t something that holds people back, it’s the people who perceive your race that’s the issue. Individuals in the Black community, by-and-large, are very resilient and a great proportion of that has to do with their ‘Blackness’. To add, some may not even be aware how they’ve been biased against across their life because how subtle and insidious bias really is.

[@Kitanaisback]

🙏🏾

[@KimSkid2k]

Damn he likes to use his hands

[@sahriestar]

Now I can't stop noticing his hand gestures 😂

[@JelaniandKelileCast]

Makes it very hard to pay attention. He isn't using his hands to supplement what he's saying

[@RobsDunne]

the body sings in synch when it believes what its saying.

[@-flynt-6209]

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[@nadiahisa9827]

Can I just ask (idk if this sounds silly) but, could the decline of the 2-parent household be attributed to the increase in rate of incarceration of black ppl? Or there are other factors affecting the division of the normal family nucleus and that I am simplifying this? If so, what other factors contribute to the breaking down of conventional family unit?