Faith the Vampire Slayer | 7x19 "Empty Places" | Normies Group Reaction!

[@Thenormies]

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[@MahajanCreationOfficial]

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[@JoshuaMartian-go3tm]

No offense but yes, I do.

[@calvinallen3424]

Just when I thought I was out, you pulled me back in

[@oneslikeme]

OMG YES!!

[@zenithquasar9623]

She literally said “im happy to plan and strategise, but we need to go back in there”. She was not saying lets repeat the same thing…it’s so fucked!

[@nathanielbacon2661]

Team Buffy. Y'all are insane.

[@thalia9789]

They made Buffy seem reckless when they were the ones clubbing during an apocalypse? Be fr 😭

[@Sytrylt]

Yeah also I believe Spike's opinion of Giles in the next one is spot on ! Because than clubbing night was WAY MORE DANGEROUS than Buffy or Xander going on dates ! He was a pain in the ass and blamed them for not taking it seriously enough, but agrees to that ??? It seems he's okay with plans only if he can say yes or no. But since Buffy has learned to be without him, BECAUSE HE WANTED HER TO DO SO, and left... She doesn't need for him to decide, she's the one that decides, and he can't handle it...

[@plumhoungyguy1037]

Geez she died, willow and tara moved in and took over the master bedroom, brought her back from heaven and than kicked her out of her own house

[@ameliacraiig4193]

Lol.

[@JoshuaMartian-go3tm]

All true but not about the house. It's about their lives. The Normies are right, they need a plan when sending more potentials into danger.

[@Cody92]

Tara would have never let this happen.

[@imtrippin03]

@@JoshuaMartian-go3tm To be fair, Buffy did say she would take suggestions and talk strategy. They had no idea what to expect before, and they do now which is an advantage in of itself

[@emme2141]

And to make it worse, them bringing Buffy back from the dead is the only reason the First is active right now.

[@MannyVega-k1i]

faith asking buffy, can you follow? is very rich considering girl always did as she pleased and never followed the rules.

[@somedudeontwitterstalkedme3829]

because she was supposed to lead, up until that point there had only been one slayer, Faith never got to lead, she only got to follow

[@lorenaperezcruz398]

Well, if they were willing to let her back in the team for this mission, they need to put that aside for now. By this point, she has been to prison, she has helped Angel and his team and Willow was the one who brought her back. Someone needed to tell Buffy to listen and take a minute to think and consider other suggestions, ideally it should have been her friends because Buffy was never going to listen to Faith in that regard, can't say I blame her either

[@emme2141]

Honestly, Faith is the only one I don’t have a problem with here. She’s the only one who doesn’t seem like she’s completely attacking Buffy, just trying to bring in a different perspective. I really like the moment between Buffy and Faith when they’re outside, shows an understanding between both of them.

[@comagirl666]

I get what you’re saying but Faith was the ONLY one who followed Buffy and tried to see if she was okay after that whole incident and dawn kicking her out. Anya, Dawn, Xander and Willow are closer and longer friends and still Faith was the one to follow her out the door when she had to reluctantly leave her own house m

[@Merilirem]

To be fair that's only helping her point. Faith has never been good at following. Its a legitimate question.

[@jeremiah3274]

19:13: It's wild to me how people will acknowledge the fact that Buffy didn't consider the others' feelings when it no longer was her responsibility to in these last 2 episodes, but remain oblivious to seeing literally everybody do the same to her the entire series.

[@wordyblerd7723]

💯

[@ms_scribbles]

1) Wait for Chris. 2) F**K the Scoobies. I find it so hard to even watch this episode anymore when I do a re-watch. I hate them all so much for what they did.

[@BuhByeBirdy]

Watching this as a kid I had complete faith in Buffy, felt so betrayed when they kicked her out. She didn’t deserve it after everything she’s done for them.

[@battlefries]

If I was Buffy, I don't think I could ever forgive Dawn for that. When you *literally* give your life to save someone, and they pay you back by kicking you out of her own house - the house she pays the bills for so that they can have a roof over their head - that's too far. I get that everyone was stressed and wanted to take a different path, but for Dawn of all people to kick her out is just too much. And for what it's worth, I have to give credit to Faith. She started the conversation, but then it snowballed out of control. She tried to tell everyone else that Buffy just needs a break. And when Buffy was about to leave, Faith was the one who went out to apologize and try to make things right. And that last moment between Buffy and Faith... It was powerful. If I was Buffy, if I survived this apocalypse, I'd run away with Faith and get away from everyone else for a while. But then, I'm one of those people who ship Faith and Buffy, so maybe that's just a me thing. ^_^

[@yayazow]

You're so right on this 🙌

[@abbesatty9498]

At least she told her that she love her. Presumably, Giles manipulated her and talked her into saying what she said.. The rest of the scoobies were mean and disrespectful.

[@battlefries]

@@abbesatty9498 To be fair, Buffy was asking a LOT of everyone. After Caleb beat them so soundly the last time, asking them to back to that same enemy is a very big thing to ask. Buffy was right that they needed to go there, but I think everyone else was right to be worried. Most of them were voicing genuine concerns. Anya, however, was just wrong. Buffy wasn't "lucky." The 'luck' that made her the Slayer has made her life one of endless hardship. And over the past seven years, she has proven that she's earned what she's been given. Also Rona, who literally sang a song about how the "witch is dead" after Buffy left. Rona's just horrible. But I don't think that there was anyone in that room who was completely right or completely wrong, but the way Dawn chose to "resolve" the situation was horrible. Maybe she felt she had to step up and be more grown up and mature, but I don't think she was manipulated. In the end, it was Faith's plan that ended up working, kind of. Faith said that she thought that Buffy just needed to take a bit of a break and get some breathing room, and she did just that in someone else's house with Spike by her side, and then she went and slayed. In the end, the final scene of Empty Places was a big ol' mess with no real winners.

[@moriellymoproblems7842]

It's satisfying to see Buffy once again prove everyone wrong in later episodes.

[@disapearingboi]

She didn't really though - she was able to do it by herself so why did she think she needed an army to go back? If she brought an army, Caleb could've obliterated more of them. Buffy was right about the power thing but the gang were right to say that they (the gang) didn't need to go back.

[@CJ77777]

​@disapearingboi Exactly! And when she comes back to the group she leads them again but she also shows she's heard them by running her ideas past them and listening to them like a leader should.

[@christianperrin964]

​@@CJ77777 yes, her leadership style becomes "one among equals" after this, not "do as I say or else" like it had been for many episodes of this season. The storyline after this episode shows she was wrong and needed a different tactic for the vineyard and a different leadership style to win.

[@ImJasonD]

Have you all forgotten 7 seasons of Buffy and what she did for these people? She was forced this task and now y’all complaining because these girls needs aren’t being “listened” to? If they didn’t like her direction they could have always left but they knew Buffy protected them. NOTHING was correct about that last scene.

[@jermainejohnson1657]

Idk about all that but alright.

[@xenomorphlover]

This whole season was ridiculous! I'm a huge Buffy fan but seriously the writers should have been fired for the most worst episodes in any season in my opinion.

[@NikkieTwix]

Buffy has been shown to fall for traps numerous times over the 7 seasons

[@jayel1471]

@@xenomorphlover It's not bad writing. I think the fact it incites strong feelings in people shows that it's good writing. People can be flawed, annoying and make awful decisions, just like in real life.

[@jp3813]

@@jayel1471 Bad writing can result in those things too as proven by the last few episodes of Game of Thrones.

[@BRCBrick]

Dawn: I'm sorry, but this is my house, too. Literally everyone in the world: THE FUCK IT IS!!

[@bernardsoul5186]

The worst written episode of the entire season

[@BRCBrick]

@@bernardsoul5186 I don't know if I'd go that far, but the ending does feel forced and a little contrived just to have drama that'll be resolved after one episode

[@bernardsoul5186]

@@BRCBrick not only that. The scene with Caleb visiting Buffy was completely pointless. The cops turning bad is not properly explained, just "they've been Hellmouthed." Giles letting the girls go to the Bronx made no sense, either. Andrew and Spike found the Macguffin that's gonna solve everything in the monastery way too easily. And then that scene at the end, omg, every lovable character except for Faith became instantly insufferable, including Buffy.

[@NikkieTwix]

@@bernardsoul5186the scene with Caleb visiting Buffy was to make her want to go back. That’s the catalyst for her wanting to go back in

[@cklambo]

Buffy: U aren't even real dawn

[@somelittlellama4186]

They were right that they needed a new better plan, but they had no right to kick Buffy out and insult her like this.

[@jayseepea]

There was a TikTok that said only Angel, Spike, Cordy and Tara would’ve defended Buffy

[@mars_mayday]

Oh I would have LOVED to have seen Cordelia go off on the potentials + Scoobies + Giles

[@trufamilybromontqc]

​@@mars_maydaysame haha

[@nightslayer6951]

@@jayseepea Angel would've gone Angelus on them

[@zenithquasar9623]

Cordy?! She attacked Buffy about Angel!

[@thalia9789]

@@zenithquasar9623 Nah Cordy has an excellent bullshit meter. She would've defended Buffy, even if she doesn't particularly like her

[@jonathanmays8203]

IT'S HER HOUSE 🤷🏿‍♂️😂😂😂😂

[@dipperjc]

It's nobody's house. Sunnydale is in anarchy.

[@jp3813]

@@dipperjc I believe Dawn said that it's her house too.

[@glennwelsh9784]

Wait for Chris. This is literally THE END of the journey with Buffy, so you should all be there to experience it together.

[@gummybeer119]

Yeah. Seems like they just want to get it over with, honestly. Doesn't make for the best reaction atmosphere. 😅

[@fendixo16]

These few Buffy reactions from them have been boring anyways

[@Buffy8Fan]

Any in-fighting the group does is supporting The First because in-fighting is The First's biggest tool against the group. Whether it was telling Wood, as his mother, who murdered his mother, or whether it was The First telling Dawn, as Joyce, Buffy won't choose her, which is why I believe Dawn became so adamant to say in this episode, "Then you can't stay here." Despite being told her mom wasn't The First, The First already implanted the seeds of doubt and is the reason Dawn chooses to kick Buffy out. Dawn's not choosing Buffy before Buffy doesn't choose her plays right into The First's hands. This moment goes against what many people defending The Scoobies say, which is the fact that if everyone wanted a new leader, due to Xander losing an eye, kicking Buffy out wasn't the right option. I agree 100% with Rana on that one. Buffy told the group she couldn't save everyone in war and has been warning Xander how dangerous slaying is since the second episode of the series ("Xander, this is deeply dangerous"). I disagree with said new leadership of Faith, as does Faith herself, but the group is so against Buffy, they don't listen to Faith. Kicking Buffy out creates in-fighting The Fist clearly wants. Also, Buffy's house (as of the beginning of this episode) is the only place in Sunnydale vampires don't have entrance to, so kicking her out (whether they assume she can handle herself or not) is a mistake. Xander not only retcons everything good he says about Buffy during his earlier episode speech (the one that had Buffy crying happy tears) by kicking her out, but in the two hour pilot when Buffy says, "Xander, this is deeply dangerous." he dismisses her, thinking she's looking down on him when she is actually telling him directly of dangers. The fact that he dismisses this and thinks Buffy's thinking him, "less than a man," compared to what he's saying now, shows a long term-ness of never really taking Buffy seriously in these type of situations. I criticize him (and everyone else) for not listening to all her (including the S7) speeches or any other moments like those. In _Storyteller,_ viewers even see Willow, with Andrew filming it, paying more attention to being lovey dovey with Kennedy than listening to Buffy's speeches. The other argument I’ve seen fans against Buffy say is to argue the fact that Buffy leaves willingly. The defense I have there is that it is the difference between a person resigning and a person getting fired. Resigning, in this case, is getting fired without the higher ups saying so. The argument of Buffy leaving on her own is Buffy "resigning" herself to the fact that she isn't The General anymore and doesn't want to in-fight, as The First wants. Its just another form of getting kicked aka "fired" from being The General because The Scoobies don't trust her leadership due to being scared because they haven't been taking Buffy seriously. Anya was one of four people who resurrected Buffy (the others being Willow, Tara and Xander) and therefore allowed The First to create the S7 plot of killing the slayer line. She, Giles and possibly Willow know this, so them blaming Buffy for anything happening, when the entirety of why its happenning is on their shoulders, is not okay. It is also a joke to have Anya say Buffy didn't earn the role of slayer or general, considering everything Buffy has done for them. The list on that, could go on for 104 hours and 34 minutes (the length of the series to this point). And on top of that, Anya didn't earn her power either. She was given it so she could murder, torture, etc., which she did through the power of the wish. Why did Giles call Buffy the general of the group if he was just going to undermine her at every decision he didn't like and toss her out when things went wrong? Buffy warned them all things like this would happen. Why weren't they listening? Post S6 Willow has a lot of nerve calling Buffy on a lack of judgement. Didn't the Scoobies (including Dawn) learn anything from when Joyce kicked Buffy out in S2? It's a good thing Buffy has grown emotionally since then. Too bad the group still don't trust Buffy any more, since then. Buffy brought up certain points to Xander during their Selfless fight about what it means to be The Slayer, so the fact that the group, in this episode, are throwing those moments in Buffy's face (those moments specifically being: cutting herself off, someone needing to draw a line, having no guide book to the job of a slayer [and there is a slayer guidebook/handbook, Giles just never gives it to her, so that one is on him], and fighting alone), shows, once again, The Scoobies haven't been listening to Buffy, even before the war with The First started about even the moments not involving The First and its war. Buffy learns from her mistakes. I don't always feel Xander and Willow do. If they still don't understand Buffy's decisions, and are throwing insults at her, I just don't feel they have learned what they should already know about Buffy seven seasons later. Buffy has learned from Giles' "this isn't a joke" chastisement in First Date, while none of the other Scoobies did, if they were recently going to The Bronze for fun. Giles himself seemed to revert, if he is urging the fun after the First Date chastisement, or at least he has an agenda of his own that goes against what he said when he called Buffy the general upon first showing up in Sunnydale. The group go against everything Buffy learned in First Date, Never Kill a Boy on the First Date and Reptile Boy when they kick Buffy out. Its also why I disagree why Buffy not listening to their needs. She's the general. That is not her job. And after how hard Giles came down on her and the group atll it looks like is backtracking to go to The Bronze if their doing it behind Buffy's back. The real problem is there are more reasons, like always when it comes to Scooby fights, to see Buffy's perspective over the people yelling at her. Buffy may or may not have a good idea in going back to the vineyard. Risky either way. Just like war always is. That is not the problem. And not a good reason for kicking her out even if it is a decent reason to choose to follow Faith instead. The real problem is Xander's eye is why they do so, and becomes a moment when the group finally realize Buffy has been right about the danger they have been ignoring her words on, and are taking it out on her because she is the General. I get that The Scoobies and SIT's are scared, but none of what they do in kicking Buffy out does anything except exactly what The First wants. I've stated in many episode reviews/reactions of many reaction watchers, I will always trust Buffy's slayer instincts over Scooby and Watcher instincts. This time is no different. That includes something being at the vinyard and listening to her after a failed attemp of something.

[@paulinerobertson6836]

Thank you, you basically just said everything I was thinking but better.

[@rowanmeredith]

😣😫😭

[@stephaniehickey4103]

Speaking for myself, this is the reason I dislike Kennedy. I will admit she wasn’t my favorite from the start. I was trying to bd fair because I knew it was just missing Tara, but Kennedy is self-entitled and trying to run things. Buffy was spiraling but she was right. The potentials only wanted Faith for the reason she said. In the behind the scenes, the writers said Faith is the cool aunt and Buffy actually has to be the adult. Giles wanted to tell her to stop playing the general and being the general. but she was doing that, making the hard decision she knew they weren’t going to like. And I will say I respect Faith and felt bad for her. She got thrown into the deep end. But she wasn’t trying to betray Buffy.

[@somedudeontwitterstalkedme3829]

what was the reason you disliked Kennedy....

[@paulinerobertson6836]

Agreed

[@Sytrylt]

💯

[@nightslayer6951]

Time after time the Scoobies have proven they don't deserve to have Buffy as a friend

[@Sytrylt]

I think your sentence misses a few words

[@spiderhamilton1]

If you sided against Buffy, you're wrong. And not just bcuz of how it turns out in the end but bcuz of everything that has happened before. The answer to Anya's question is yes, Buffy is better than all of them...at this. All of the Scoobs except Buggy have caved under the pressure when the going got tough. Willow and Anya couldn't handle loss and heartbreak and resorted to murder, Buffy killed her soulmate to save the world. As many times as Buffy has told Xander to stay back, he had to protect Buffy but get hurt one time and blames her after 7 years of experiences. Buffy heard a prophecy she was going to die at 16 and ran right into it and died to save the world. Giles is pissed bcuz she didn't follow his advice and some girls got killed even tho he had not problem sending this one girl to her death so many times before. Dawn is still mad that Buffy won't choose her vision told her even tho Buffy sacrificed herself to let the 3 month old energy key have a life. And Faith isn't the official Slayer, Faith went evil remember and if it wasn't for Buffy the Watcher's Council would have killed Faith long ago. Faith never stepped up to her responsibility and never would have. And she knows it. Robin is too new and still a bit biased bcuz of Buffy protecting Spike. Buffy was the only one who chose to not turn to the dark side when she had her lowest moment. She chose the pain instead of the bliss of the alternate reality and she did it on her own, Xander didn't have to convince her, Dahoffryn didn't have to take her powers, Angel didn't have rehab her. Buffy chose to confront her pain for the good of others. This is war with pure evil, the First. People were always going to die or be injured. And the first time they go into battle, they folded like a bunch of cocktail napkins. First time Buffy died and was revived, she got right up and went right back at the Master again and won. So yeah, Buffy is better than all of them. What makes her special and gives her the right to lead is the fact that she has stopped the world from ending 4 times, saved countless lives, kept each of them alive, made all the hard decisions and sacrificed love and happiness to do it. The only reason Buffy was flustered after Anya's question is that she knows she's better than them and she feels guilty for feeling that way. But she's not superior to them bcuz she is the Slayer but bcuz of what has chosen to do as the Slayer.

[@Sytrylt]

(she saved the world a lot, not just 4 times ^^) 💯

[@swedish_malin]

You guys can wait for Chris! But you have to wait with Angel 5x01 until after the Buffy finale!! 😊

[@carsoncoleman2993]

And can't watch opening credits until s5x2! Of angel

[@bernardsoul5186]

I mean, they've been like 4 episodes ahead in Buffy

[@mrmassacre3366]

NOPE! ALWAYS TRUST BUFFY!

[@tommd51]

Wait for chris

[@666johnco]

I feel after all this time you should wait for Chris.

[@DanielleDavisGoats]

Wait for Chris

[@Darkwolfie33]

It'll be a cold day in hell before I let GUESTS who I'm trying to protect and save kick me out my own damn home. And Dawn, the figment of everyone's imagination? What bills you paying? Buffy deserved better. Smh, this is war there is no perfect plan, how many speeches does Buffy have to give at this point?

[@artemisdelphinia]

And we all collectively are mad at everyone for treating Buffy like that. Girl has saved you dozens of times and sacrificed herself twice for you all and you ripped her out of heaven because they felt they couldn't live without her friendship wise or demon wise and then they just "you were wrong this one time and got some of us hurt and killed in this fight you don't deserve your position anymore". Wild. Especially with Anya, Faith and Willow in that room.

[@TheBlarggle]

This character was my introduction to Nathan Fillion. So for me, it's always been "Oh! It's Caleb the evil priest!" whenever I see him in stuff.

[@Merilirem]

I sometimes confuse him with Kevin Sorbo lol. They both did a bunch of stuff I watched and since I never really paid attention to actors and still don't, they mixed in my mind until I started watching these reactions. Kevthan Sorbillion is a hell of an actor.

[@startingQB]

I should have known the Normies would doubt Buffy too. SMH. They never gave Buffy a chance to explain.

[@TheCrabbyCancer]

Take the break. Or have Chris and Marquetta set up a tripod at home and throw on Patreon 🙏 🎉

[@johncspine2787]

“Fear Itself,” the funny, throwaway episode..the tiny little Fear Demon said “they’re all going to abandon you, you know…….”.

[@Apex_Gamer_87]

That is crazy if this is what Gachnar was referring to.

[@johncspine2787]

@@Apex_Gamer_87 I should have clarified too that “throwaway” was sarcastic..sarcasm rarely works in print..even the monster of the week or standalone episodes usually had something important to further the plot or characters’ development.

[@Vale9118]

More like a foreshadowing it reflects Buffy biggest fear, cause although the slayer fights alone she always had the support of her friends making her even stronger… reminds of Ellie from TLOU 😢

[@Skeezer66]

The reason why there are so many girls is because they have never STOPPED coming. It's an important point that gets paid off at the end. Also, while I understand the caution, anyone who comes back from the dead TWICE to save everything should get some slack, or maybe instead of just shutting Buffy down, come up with some ideas to help her plan!

[@aliciasavage6801]

First time I ever seen reactors AGREE with the ingrates, turning on Buffy after spending 7 years relying on her while she saved their lives and took care of them over and over. They put the weight of the world (and then some) on her shoulders for years and then when sh*t gets too real for them (people die in war unfortunately) they treat her so disrespectfully. Seems like you guys took her for granted too, forgot the last 7 years too. This episode usually pisses the audience and reactors off, as evident in the comment section. Hopefully next episode Spike will knock some sense in you.

[@quentinbrown9635]

I just came to read the comments because I know they were going to be ripped apart. Y'all need to wait for Chris. 😂😂😂

[@dayewest403]

They didn’t give her a chance to offer up a plan… they attacked before she could…

[@PATZ1984]

This is so hard to watch, every time. Specially this shows, that the scoobs where allways selfish, and never really honest friends to Buffy. The only 2 honest persons where Tara and Cordelia to her, and take her really like she is. The other ones lie to her, and allways forget what she all lose for them, many times, and how much she have to shoulder. After this, in every rewatch I done, I saw the soobs never I saw them before the first time.

[@Cinephileofmany]

The last scene suffers from a little clunky writing. It’s correct that Buffy doesn’t have much of a plan, but they take it overboard with the personal attacks (especially from Anya) and then with the kicking out. It’s like ‘fine, good luck’. Doesn’t really help that by the end of the next one they’re somewhat relieved to see her

[@AnatoleVGC]

"he is gonna make a quip about his missing eye" - And we get one of my favourite scenes of Buffy, the time when they couldn't laugh it off. They try, but they can't

[@miaskys1410]

that feeling when an underaged kid kicks her legal guardian out of her own house....like girl no you're grounded, everyone else get out, not my fault if the vamps find you😭

[@alexfortin]

Yall so wrong for turning on Buffy like this

[@desarae9778]

It's been over 2 decades and this end scene still pisses me off! None of those damn Scoobies deserve Buffy. Anya and Giles really piss me off. They learned the only reason ANY of this shit with the First is happening is because of Willow's "I use magic to deal with hard things" ass bringing Buffy back from the dead. And I am still trying to figure out how Anya thinks Buffy is luckier than the rest of them. Sure, dying twice, killing the love of your life, and your mom dying young sounds real lucky.

[@charmedoriginal5923]

Wait for Chris .... and Marketa if possible.

[@cherylbrennen1644]

About zander sorry it came to that but at anytime he could have been injured he always wants to be included in every fight it is amasing all of them have not been hurt before and buffy didnt ask for this burden she was made to be a slayer and has done the best job she never got to be a normal adult and saved them many times and always saved the day they where wrong to treat her so . Even though they did this she will always risk her life for them .i would never trust them again .

[@bernardsoul5186]

This is probably my least favorite episode of Buffy

[@trufamilybromontqc]

It gets me so mad

[@Gwenhwyfar7]

Kennedy is OKAY. But it's a hard act to follow Tara, the most perfect girlfriend ever!

[@winterrrbaby]

i’m sure everyone wouldn’t mind you guys postponing for a little while so everyone can be together for the finale

[@raymonddiaz1106]

Buffy dies there are no more slayers, remember when she sacrificed herself. Nobody new. That’s because she technically ain’t the slayer, Faith is. When Faith dies it gets passed on down the line. Buffy is anomaly that shouldn’t exist. Slayers are usually alone, so when they are gravely wounded they die. But Buffy has her crew that helps her and brought her back, twice.

[@NelsonVlog66]

Klem should have gotten his own spinoff show.

[@lunaloutfy]

I HATE this episode. If anything, Buffy should’ve kicked them out. Not the other way around. This is her house. Not theirs. That’s all I have to say! I agree with nearly everyone here in the comment section. She died TWICE for them. They even brought her back FROM HEAVEN, when she didn’t want to come back because she said that this is hell. She fought and protected them all the damn time and even offered up her own freaking house for them. She opened it up when they had nowhere else to go, and she’s always been the one who knows exactly what she’s doing. She’s right, and they’re not. She’s been at this for far longer than they have. She has more experience, and yeah, she might be even better at this, so I get her feeling all superior about this because she is! We all know she has that Superiority Complex, so I get why people would start questioning her judgment, but she’s not wrong. She’s never been wrong. Buffy always said that being a Slayer is a solo job, something that you should be doing on your own, and she literally reminded them about that every single time, and it’s always been the same argument. But did they listen? No! She’s just too good for her own good and let people get involved because she knew she wanted them to be a part of this because of how big her heart is. She’s always been so caring, but all she gets in return is these ungrateful little brats. The only reason she’s lasted this long and is still alive is because of The Scoobies. I’ll always be on Buffy’s side. And I guarantee you all that if Tara were still alive, she’d have told everyone off too like Spike (I’m talking about this because they’re already far ahead with their reactions, so this isn’t a spoiler about Spike yelling at all of them in the next episode, which good for him! Thank you for speaking facts, king!), and that would have added a lot more impact because Tara has always been on Buffy’s side when the others haven’t been. She was always the person she was able to go to when she couldn’t talk to Willow or Xander during her depression in season 6, and even when they started getting even closer when Joyce died because they bonded over both their mothers dying. Also, I’d love to know Chris’s opinion on this moment, because I feel like he’d have something interesting to say, so I really hope he’s around for the last three.

[@wordyblerd7723]

Yep. Still mad. It's been over 20 years and multiple viewings but I still wanna cuss everyone out. That's her damn house! Spidey's quips had me cracking up the whole ep.

[@frisc0pn0ib0i]

I felt like you, like most reactors, will not take Buffy’s side on here. It disappointing really after everything Buffy had to sacrifice. But I’m glad you guys saw it was wrong to kick her out.

[@PrinceIMC]

I think people disliked Kennedy because the relationship with Willow seemed too quick and she didn’t seem like Willow’s type after Oz and Tara.

[@mayotango1317]

No, everybody hate her because she is so annoying.

[@jonsigwanz7993]

I feel like this episode was basically Joss Whedon saying what would happen if he was fired.

[@WaftingCurtains]

I truly hate that they kicked her out. At the same time I'm not sure where else that scene was going to lead given she refused to acknowledge anyone else's leadership and said she wouldn't stand for it. The writers put them in this situation though where her closest friends betrayed her. I feel like the way to approach it would've been to ask her to take a walk or to take a break and come back, it's insane to 'kick out of the group' the actual Slayer when an apocalypse is happening. Asking for some space would've been more reasonable. It is contrived conflict though and it's never sat well with me, but they go back on it almost immediately so what was the purpose really in the end.

[@lorenaperezcruz398]

I agree. As much as people are frustated with Faith in this scene, her suggestion for Buffy to take a breath, to listen and connect more with the potentials seems pretty reasonable to me. They always say to never make drastic decisions when you are arguing with close ones and this is why. They are all letting their pride and personal issues get in the way of protecting themselves and other people. Honestly I do think this is something that could have been solved if they structured this season better, put this argument earlier in the season, cut some stories that don't contribute to the general arc and just focus to add as much tension as you can to the scoobies and the way they interact with each other so by the time this comes up, we can understand how they are not thinking straight and how much they are being impulsive while also giving much more time to them learning to listen to each other and for Buffy to connect more to the potentials beyond just being their boss.

[@kant12]

Kicking Buffy out is one of the dumbest things. Which is impressive with how many dumb things we've seen in the past 2 seasons.

[@MrPauljayburke]

Already a shame to not have Marquetta and her particular POV would be nice to have Chris back. Would never want to interrupt someone's maternity/paternity but totally there with the others that if the guys want to give us that separate Patreon exclusive of those 2 I'm all for it!

[@trevellyann]

Having someone else be the leader might have been the right decision, at least possibly, but I never got the 'kick her out of her own home and don't let her help' part. Even if you didn't like Buffy, she's way too physically powerful to just... cast aside during a time like this. Didn't make any sense to me at all.

[@Nichola_Robson]

Aww you disappointed me, you did change your mind. Buffy was 100% correct, there was nothing and nobody at the seal which indicated it's not important. All the bad guys were at the vineyard which shows there is something going on there that is important. Buffy never said let's just barge in like we did last time, she said she was willing to talk strategy but the plan was the vineyard. Giles doesn't deserve her trust, he has betrayed, lied and abandoned her multiple times over the years. Xander loses an eye, yes tragic but he's been fighting demons and averting apocalypses and this is the first major injury (as far as I can remember) that he has sustained and he automatically turns his back on her, he should be thankful he's even alive! Anya's speech just makes me angry every time I hear it. Yes, Buffy didn't work to BE a slayer, yes her powers were given to her but she didn't ask or want it, it was forced on her and she has worked for and earned it every single time she goes out patrolling, every single time she fights for her life and the lives of others, every single time she has saved the world. Everybody else in that room who has power all got addicted to it and ended up being evil, Buffy never did, even when Dracula and Spike tried to tempt her to a darker place she still knew what was right and wrong and stayed on the side of good. Ther is so much more of this rant I want to say but this would end up being about 7 paragraphs long lol

[@enterdamanery]

SURAJ LOVING THEM CURLS HUH???

[@RGLmasterpiece]

Always try not to think about this episode because I cannot make any sense of it. Never watch it, know it happens but try to ignore because I was never able to understand the logic behind it. After all she did, including dying to save Dawn and all their asses. Makes me sad, mad and uncomfortable.

[@Danielzodiark]

Your takes in this episode are your worst in the entire series. Come on guys, I understand you want to get this over with but your energy without Chris is so negative it practically opens its own hellmouth. Just wait for him if you are gonna be like this.

[@JessieReyn]

The slayer power is explained earlier as diluted down from the first slayer, residual demon energy, and as stated buffy was given a chance to get a demon in her like the first but don't blame her saying no thinking she'd go feral, seeing how it affected angel etc. They also explain this when think it was spike discussing that the first demons to walk earth were pure full 100% demon, and similarly water down their blood by mixing with humans for generations

[@Mister_Sato]

1:27 Cheers mates. Stay classy and kind Buffy fandom.

[@shootingreal5945]

I didn't like the Buffy didn't care about the girls at all, esp Xander. What a bad read on that, it was exactly the opposite..she was extremely guilt ridden over what happened to him..the scene of her holding the buffy gang picture and the tears kinda hammered that point home regarding Xander.

[@pgiffon]

I think the couch is fine to question whether going back to the vineyard is the correct choice because it is risky and the wounds are fresh! People are questioning her judgement and I think if they were able to make a solid plan this time and Buffy approached them with the plan it would have gone over better. But also the couch disagrees with them kicking her out and the “not earned” comment so we are all on the same page. Anya’s “luckier than us” speech is so odd to me because I’m like when has this show ever painted being the slayer as something lucky? It’s ALWAYS been a burden that Buffy was forced to accept. She certainly earned the right to be the leader and has always made the tough choices. This season is a much harder Buffy because of what she’s been through and Giles pisses me off because he’s pushing her to be serious and make the tough calls but when her choices don;t alone with his, he doesn’t support her all of a sudden. This whole episode is a point of contention for most Buffy fans because of how ridiculous it is for them to turn on her after everything she’s done for them. The terrible part is trying to usurp her and kicking her out. Disagreeing with a strategy is okay and Buffy did need to recognize she was being hasty but the gang just took it too far.

[@Vale9118]

Next episode has one of my all time fav Spuffy moments, probably the best one ever ❤

[@DanY-gx2dv]

Where he gives her the same speech Riley did a season ago, but because it's Spike it's held to higher regard. Lol.

[@gamingeagle19]

There's a lot I love about season 7. The ending of this episode is NOT one of them. I hate it. I've always hated it. I will ALWAYS hate it. Total bullshit.

[@kevinwheeler7427]

That time buffy got voted out of her own house.

[@katra777]

The Angel crew holding it down!

[@abbesatty9498]

Never doubt Buffy, she got instincts. Remember back in S5E2 "living condition" the same Giles and company thought she gone mad , ambushed and tied her to the chair. in the end we learned that her room mate was actually a demon as she said.

[@ScottBlade-e9v]

I don't think Anya was questioning if Buffy was qualified to be the Slayer after everything she's been through, but more what made her any more special than anyone else to have those powers bestowed on her. What'd she do to deserve it?

[@paulinerobertson6836]

Which is a strange question? if she takes issue with how slayers are picked that is something she should take up with the council lol I don't see why it matters how she was chosen, or why the others were chosen? she's led them for seven years and now she has a problem? doesn't make sense to me. I get her being upset with going back, but to bring up the reason she is a slayer is just petty. Anya just seems extra bitter this season tbh. Also, what did Anya do to get her powers? did one spell on one guy to turn him into a troll?

[@JessieReyn]

Faith IS the slayer not the 2nd. Lots of newbies miss this. Explanation: Buffy died so kendra came. Kendra died so Faith came. Faith is alive so Faith is the slayer. Essentially Buffy is a weird zombie slayer lol - she upset natural order of things coming back - explained in episode with the eye and Giles - we don't yet know how natural order of things are affected. Luckily, good team has 2 slayers now though :) I think newbies think this way cos of all talk how she died went to heaven and forget she also died in S1/kendra was new slayer "you were technically dead". Hope this helps :)

[@Merica316]

People hate Kennedy because she is not Tara.

[@florianenrico892]

I never understood this episode, the need to have this ignoble betrayal of all his loved ones, and the worst for me is that in the end, none of them will pay the price, and welcome him as if nothing had happened, without addressing it again. Frankly, they all deserve, especially Dawn and Willow (Xander is hurt, not lucid, and Gilles is upset about the story with Spike, so that they turn against her is not inconsistent) to get a slap in the face.

[@killianlpc]

The last few episodes of the S7 had so much going on it was hard to keep up. The way they all turned against Buffy after all she had done for them over the years was so painful to watch at the time. Kennedy and Rhona were utterly despicable, along with the rest of the Scooby Gang. All this leads up to the brilliance of the last few episodes, super writing again, but Andrew is still utterly irritating if entertaining also. Spike reading the scripture, brilliant foreshadowing here. Buffy is of course right they always try to protect the power, they must return to the vineyard, there is a reason for Caleb wanting to defend it. This episode is all about the meeting in Buffy's house this is so difficult to watch with Dawn striking the final blow, after Buffy laid down her very life to save her. We know there is only one who will stand by Buffy, even though he is not at the meeting he has read the scripture 'it is not for thee, it is for her alone to wield'.

[@Merilirem]

Demon powers Buffy could have taken this guy. Which explains why she's losing so badly against him. Slayers are supposed to be stronger.

[@NelsonVlog66]

Not the first time Buffy had been kicked out of the house. She should have been used to it.

[@redsiren8666]

I understand if you guys want to wait for everyone to watch. But i am super happy to just watch you guys, dont know if i can wait for the others to watch ha ha

[@gummybeer119]

The reactions would be way better with Chris and Marketa.

[@kimberlyjeanne9456]

This episode makes me so mad!

[@matthewcohare]

Definitely Team Buffy. It’s not even close.

[@aseraf1n]

Wait for Chris pretty please

[@boo5860]

I think the reason people dislike kennedy is maybe because they still feel attached to tara and don't love the idea of willow moving on too quickly, that's pretty much the reason I always have a hard time liking her

[@katevand]

"shut your mouth." oof.

[@patrickadams7120]

Episode 7 Conversations With Dead People......Joyce said to Dawn that when it's bad Buffy won't be with you,she'll be against you.....and yeah we'll wait for Chris and Marketa,its the series finale we all started this journey together lets finish this together ❤❤❤

[@tanyaisonYT]

Wait for Chris!

[@Licaba7]

This episode pissed me so much. That I can't rewacht it. Buffy did not deserve this mutiny. After all she endured, she gave her life to save them (sacrifice that made Dawn human) and got her heaven taken by them. And they kick her from her house?! They should move (xander has a house). Also, I want to point out that Buffy has premonitory dreams and an excellent instinct. They should trust her more

[@jlilley73]

I've never even watched this show but I've found Kennedy really irritating just in your reaction videos 😆

[@JordiVanderwaal]

The scoobies kicking Buffy out pissed me off when I first watched it. But this episode has aged much better for me, compared to the "zombie" episode (I think it's 3x02) after Buffy comes back to Sunnydale (after being KICKED OUT by her own mother). These are two of the Buffy episodes that piss me off the most, but what they did in that one (3x02) is inexcusable. In this one, you can see the Scoobies' point of view, even if I strongly disagree with kicking Buffy out of the house. But it pays off in 7x20 and 7x21 (for Buffy), so it kinda makes up for this. By comparison, in that episode of season 3, they're just nasty towards Buffy and they just... move on from that.

[@oneslikeme]

Anya was SO out of line by saying that Buffy was "luckier" than them. She sees it that way because she liked having powers. But Buffy has not had a "lucky" life. She sacrificed a man she loved and her own life twice. I get that they were all scared, and I agree that Buffy was ready to rush in and repeat the same mistake. She knows what death is like and I think she was a little reckless with their lives because of it. But, kicking her out is wild. Dawn had no right to do that.

[@Lions1986]

Buffy was right and all of you are wrong

[@melissagoff9369]

Funny, time and again she’s always questioned and when I see watchers even questioning her it makes me chuckle. They had to do something. She is numb. It happens with heard leadership and hard choices.

[@Samaelthekind]

Although I love watching these...I CAN wait if it lets more of the team make it back to the couch for the big finale. and I'm sure a lot of others are okay with a little delay so that more can join in for the big finish. As for the girls...they kept arriving as time wore on, because on their own they are just targets, more vulnerable alone than as a team. Obviously, they aren't full slayers and have no powers...but a squad is still safer than a loner. The hellmouth is radiating so much low grade evil that the whole town is leaving or turning violent, even the cops are just a gang now...and civilization is crumbling slowly, enough that even most sensible demons are giving Sunnydale a pass for awhile...not a good sign. Buffy may or may not be onto something with Caleb...but at the end of the day she asked people who watched death and dismemberment last time, "Hey, how bout a second frontal assault? Maybe we'll get lucky." ...and they kind of freaked out. Ideally, maybe the way to pitch it wasn't as they look at Xander's patched eye. The team has all taken injuries...but permanent disfigurement wasn't in the brochures. It brought home in the last season that her team of friends are more vulnerable and have been very lucky across 6+ years...and Caleb is NOT a gentlemanly enemy. What I loved...was Buffy's willingness to step back and hand the torch to Faith...one Slayer to another. It isn't just ego...she's learned a lot in 7 years, and S7 Buffy is more adaptable than S1 Buffy could ever have been. She isn't a high school kid anymore...she's a boss that doesn't lose sight of the endgame: prevent apocalypse by whatever means are necessary and available.

[@macuna1995]

The gang kicked Buffy out and the world might end soon, but luckily, we still have *Nerf Herder* playing at The Bronze.

[@BaBamf11]

Either wait for Chris or (only if they have the time) have him and Marketa react in a separate or virtual join-in with y’all. Also, I appreciated y’all’s nuanced view of the Buffy vs everyone end scene. After not watching S7 in several years, I’m actually conflicted when I didn’t feel that way during my first watch.

[@jimmygreer2140]

I always came down on the side of everyone else even though I knew Buffy's intuition was right. She needed to come with more than "we're going back". I'm with Xander. I want to be with you but I need to know why this time will be different. I do feel like kicking her out was a bit much. That doesn't really feel like the Scoobies. But it had to be done so Spuffy could have that moment so I can forgive the writers. But absolutely I was with everyone else on what they should do next. But also, I feel like all of this HAD to happen. The full frontal assault didn't work and likely wouldn't work again. So it had to be a more covert operation. And Buffy needed Spike's belief in her to restore her confidence. She clearly was also having doubts in herself....why else would she continually try to ignore Xander's disfigurement? If she allowed herself to really accept the responsibility for Xander it would break her like Glory kidnapping Dawn did.

[@ninipookie]

@@jimmygreer2140and what was Faiths way ? The one they all thought could do better than Buffy. If you are on the side of these ungrateful sobs then you are in need of some brain fixin’

[@sallyscrive]

The final scene is dumb. I understand the Potentials don't trusting Buffy (they barely know her), but the Scoobies know her. So OOC from them. I think JW wrote this scene to have some drama, like we don't have enough of that. The episode following this will happened just the same without this stupid scene. Buffy is right; ok, she doesn't have a full-formed plan, but neither the others. Or Faith. So stupid of them.

[@x-man9473]

The writers wrote this scene because they can't bare to hold Buffy accountable for her actions. So, they have to make everyone in the show look like jerks to turn her into a victim. This has been established since the Angel soul storyline in season 2.

[@JordiVanderwaal]

I'd rather wait until the couch is full to watch the last 2 episodes. But it could take Marketa months to recover, so I'll take what I can get. (Or you guys could just watch it as 4, and then re-watch the last 2-3 episodes as a full couch in a few months. As a "special" last Buffy upload or something?)

[@SteveE_406]

Will you guys be reading the comic books because the story continues

[@joshie20]

You should do Tru Calling the show Eliza Dushku did instead of a Buffy spinoff. probably my fave Dushku role.