FAKE OR FORTUNE S011E03 PAUL CEZANNE & CAMILLE PISSARO

[@JonMatthias]

Woah that french man around @18:30 is the youngest looking 93 year old human I've ever seen!!!

[@pamelaspooner7183]

Take up gardening. It keeps you young!

[@evansquilt]

The Cezanne owner's "I wouldn't have that on my wall" is hilarious.

[@jonkusa]

I'm so glad episode 3 was able to be shown. I'm guessing there was some hold up as to why episode 2 wasn't allowed. Hopefully there will be a way at some point to show it. Thanks for all you do to make this show available to others around the world.

[@mightwenotbehappy]

Episode 2 was blocked 🚫 by KZbin Its uploaded here drive.google.com/file/d/1NNvPOMWIltuo3naZj3ee65tO1QbsmFLl/view?usp=drivesdk

[@mightwenotbehappy]

I’m not involved with the show, just a fan, who uploads it 🤗

[@QED_]

@@mightwenotbehappy Thanks . . .

[@mrjerry28714]

Well, thank you so very much for taking your time to upload it for us. @@mightwenotbehappy

[@jonkusa]

fantastic! @@mightwenotbehappy

[@abeandersonmusic]

Ahh this show is back, and the world starts turning again

[@maureenrhysjones4643]

Thank you indeed for posting this! I am very regretful of not finishing my Arts History degree! This series along with the others , are better than a crock of gold to me! And to be able to access them on line is just fantastic. The experts have my deepest admiration, such detective work! Wow! Please don't stop...the subject is endless!!

[@HandmadeDarcy]

Call me crazy but I would find a sketch by Pissaro which was coloured by some beloved - or at least trusted - child, grandchild, or student whom he was teaching, to be more valuable because of the story it tells of an artist generously passing on his skills. Of course, I don't think I have the same concept of value as those who choose to be middlemen, profiting from the work of others, and a market notorious for its scarcity manipulation, and corruption.

[@brittanyt729]

I wonder what the artists would think if one of the rejected items was actually theirs.

[@mikedameron602]

I've had the same thought many times watching this series. I like the series but question some of the experts when they seem to "know it all". I'm no master artist but I do draw and paint, and have a bit over 20 years as an enthusiastic amateur. I also have a good technical background in chemistry and physics. I do many things the same way often, but not always. I change materials, techniques, mediums, brush strokes, etc.. Why wouldn't they?

[@phredmadsen-vallee8375]

Bravo Fiona and Philip and Team. Love your presentations.

[@jamesbean7560]

copying great works is often an assignment given to art students

[@CarolynMcPherson-r3z]

Exactly! All those kids in the art museum, sketching? That's what they're doing.

[@karinae6388]

I’m so happy I found this show. I’m obsessed with it

[@CarolynMcPherson-r3z]

Fiona and Philip: I love your show. Wonderful to see these new programs.

[@cazfarri]

The French broad kills me. "I don't like Cezanne!" :D Fabulous

[@HeatherShoal]

Thanks so much for the upload of my favorite show! Cheers to you! 👏🏼 I’d love it if you might be able to share episode 2 of this season as well. 😁 Many thanks for taking the time to upload these.

[@mightwenotbehappy]

drive.google.com/file/d/1NNvPOMWIltuo3naZj3ee65tO1QbsmFLl/view?usp=drivesdk Any issues send me a DM and I’ll email it to you

[@jlasf]

Their research on the Cezanne was less complete than usual. While they looked at the age of the paper, they never examined the shape or type of sketch pad it would come from. The Cezanne committee rightfully pointed out that omission in their research. Ask for the Pissarro, once they found the colors were done at the same time, the decision was easy.

[@kathleensue1]

I LOVE this show!

[@Artist-Leslie-Pierce]

I love this series so much. It's like CSI for Art with intrigue and Art history. Thanks for sharing.

[@quietspacearts]

even coloured pencils were and sometimes now called Crayons

[@kristi.s9922]

Love the lawyer:, when the crayon is from 1999, don't send it to France.

[@philipbloomquist1580]

I am sure the lawyer knew about the painting they had sent in a earlier episode that turned out to be a forgery made with materials after the artist had died that they sent for authentication that ended up being destroyed. The comment you mentioned did make me laugh as it was so on the nose.

[@joereedsmith1531]

You can see Mould was almost in tears over the Pissaro. He has made a small fortune sniffing out lost works its his specialty and hes the best in the world at such. If Ms Glazer sells it it will sell for 200,000 not 50 because of the story. People pay for stories the magic fairy dust.

[@vanjaw1146]

Aviva carried again

[@BritishRiver]

I love all the history and information about how the artists created and sold their works.

[@MissPerriwinkle]

may this show never end......marvelous.

[@djjd8520]

well I have absolutely no idea if this is a one off show or more like this but I randomly came across this in my recommended feed and figured i'd give it a watch, watched the whole episode, i'm absolutely hooked on this kind of content, what a fascinating show, thank you for the upload!

[@Jigger2361]

No, thank you!

[@sanjulienne]

This is a series, MANY episodes on KZbin

[@skiker4560]

Thanks for the upload on these videos. Much appreciated. ❤😊

[@heathermtaylor7683]

Just watched the uploaded Episode 2 on your link...very interesting and I would love to say a huge 'thank you' for sharing this series. Sterling work ❣️

[@NickVenture1]

This Cezanne tree sketch makes me think that somebody else traced the tree by just putting one paper on top of the other. Ourdays a photo or just a photocopy or a print from a catalogue enlarged at the original scale will be enough to create the replica. If the tree has even the exact same size.. that is not realistic to think that an artist like Cezanne bothered to replicate a tree he draw free hand outdoors.. as an exact copy replica on another composition. Which exists on public view since many years. Available to copying by whoever will dare... and take just old paper from the flea market to play around. Also immediately suspicious to me was the existence in the same batch.. of these other obviously fakes. Where they also supposed to be from the same origin? It could have been useful to get the expert check on the reverse of that tree drawing.. if there is a relief created of the inititial outlines. This can happen when somebody who just copies a drawing pushes a bit more the drawing tool at the beginning. To get it right. A 3 D digital model of the backside of such a drawing showing better the relief could be quite useful in such a case.

[@CallieMasters5000]

Another great episode. I find I prefer the art owners who clearly need the money and have their personal fortune hanging on the authentification. I wish they'd say "I'm broke and so I'll be selling this ASAP!" rather than the ones that claim the value makes no difference to them.

[@carlotta4th]

Yet even after the episodes air a lot of times those "we're going to keep it" people end up selling. After the excitement settles down practicality kicks in--it's a lot of money and do you really want to insure for a fortune to hang on your wall?

[@Siansonea]

Holy smokes, something was actually accepted by 'the experts'. Usually it's like with the Cezanne: "Yeah, you've done a lot of work, put together an almost bulletproof case, but we don't think it's authentic." I'm always astonished when something actually gets through.

[@philipbloomquist1580]

They had an easy way to save face on why they could have changed their mind on accepting the work. 1st they did not outright object to the work the first time just an objection to the color being done by the artist. Second the new information did not force them to admit they were wrong the time before but allowed them accept they have information that is new that was not known before when the earlier decision was made. Still I agree usually I see an episode and am expecting the experts to be it is not a work by the artist.

[@SandraNelson063]

I LOVE this series!

[@viz8746]

18:03 "So Maurice... how the f are you 93? You don't look a day over 63!'"

[@rachelpower4700]

Clearly we should all be doing more gardening!

[@joereedsmith1531]

The real story is who has the painting stolen by the Nazis?

[@ava4830]

I know it would be wonderful if they could make a tv series or documentary about all those stolen paintings and hunting them down. Not just because I would so watch that but because it would bring these crimes out of the shadows. If it were more of a known piece of history maybe people would try harder to get justice for all of the families still alive today.

[@joereedsmith1531]

@@ava4830 There is a Doco on the Sothebys warehouse where billions of $ of art is stored. Its like a bank for expensive art and no one knows who owns what and if the prices paid are even real. Its been called the thieves market.

[@rachelpower4700]

Yes, I was totally caught by that too! How is there a colour image of the work but no one knows where it is? Surely she would have a claim to it!

[@dorydiavelone3531]

Okay I have chills and tears I know her father is so happy !!!

[@dazsmith690]

great episode..the ending in Hazlitt's hotel i didn't expect..my great great great.. grandfather who fought under napoleon jumped out the window there in 1817 after stealing a pocket watch..caught arrested and transported to australia where he did famously..and never looked back..great venue for the end of the show..the hotel started in 1717 i think from memory..in soho just off the square..

[@DV-dt9sq]

This is brilliant! Thank you so much for putting it on ytb. You are a star.

[@aphrabenn3233]

I’ve seen that tree in the Cezanne watercolour! It is at the Jas de bouffant, his father’s country estate just outside Aix. Now of course it is much bigger! And yes, there are other examples of sketches/ paintings of that tree. I’m amazed the expert wonders.

[@lorrainer4839]

I thought the verdicts would have gone the other way, just given the fact that the watercolour has come through to a relative of a known friend of Cezanne. I thought that along with the science dating it correctly would have helped.

[@melissafarrugia9531]

There’s a significant credence that should be given seeing the Camille Pissarro is authentic also lending credibility because they worked so closely together. They might have been safer sending it to France after all.

[@adamkencki]

may I have the “fake” cezanne? I like it.

[@mcclure440]

What happened to DR. Barndoor Governor? He could have solved this much faster....

[@mightwenotbehappy]

He has his own programme now on bbc4, with Emma Dabiri Britain's Lost Masterpieces.

[@clairebradbury11]

Great episode. Thanks so much for posting and please post more Fake or Fortunes!!!

[@firstlast5068]

I love Fiona's compassion!

[@CarolynMcPherson-r3z]

Fiona, so interesting to hear what you say (at 32:30 and beyond) regarding Cezanne's paintings and the surrounding countryside. In 1963 I was a "rising second year" in college and I was taking a course in Art History in Aix-en-Provence. We went to Cezanne's workshop, and I was struck by the very same thing: the countryside picked Cezanne's palette. It was stunningly clear.

[@girlnorthof60]

I so enjoyed watching the investigation process & learning more about these two very talented artists. Thank you for bringing this series to KZbin where *ALL* can learn, appreciate & be entertained by 'quality content' not available to us otherwise. 🙏 fr. Canada

[@CallieMasters5000]

When you hear that "At 42 million..." woman, it's game on! 🎉

[@mikedameron602]

I watched the episode. I paint and draw and enjoy doing reproductions of interesting artwork. I'm just an enthusiastic amateur and have a bit over 20 years studying art and art history. I heard no mention of Conte' Crayon. It was a common medium used for sketching and invented in France in the late 1700's. It was a bit different from hard pastels and it came in colors. I used it in figure drawing classes and workshops. I made a photo of the Pissarro drawing and plan to reproduce it. I'd welcome comments on using Conte' for the task, but please include your background on the subject.

[@rachelpower4700]

Yes, that very black ‘crayon’ used definitely looked like conte to me rather than charcoal.

[@tomjoelberglind1924]

Well done by Phillip and Fiona 😊🇳🇴

[@anshardeman3967]

It's a shame that a board decides whether this is real or not while everything indicates that this is real and then they disapprove

[@francoisjacobs7388]

Surely this must be the quickest scientific and current way to prove provenance and producer...there must lie a fingerprint in the work

[@CarolynMcPherson-r3z]

And DNA!

[@Paturn1000]

Thanks very much for sharing!

[@Lenore4Evermore]

I love this show. Thank you for this.

[@djfunkychicken]

29:45 LOOK CAREFULLY !! That tree is EXACTLY like the painting 25:41 (90 degree rotation anti clockwise) The house however has been drawn on a different angle to compliment the piece.. as are the bigger square rock barrier

[@carollee4356]

Thank you this show is really tops❤

[@snudder.s.m.l.5026]

Love love this series ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ Thank you so much fore uploading more. ❤ Big hugs from Denmark 💝🌹🥰

[@ivorytower99]

Lovely!~ I'm glad they went with 'drawings' - even preparty drawings, as I have a few in my inventory. Thank you again--so much, @MightWeNotBeHappy for these continued uploads.💐

[@reimannx33]

Where is bendor? I watch these because of bendor, bendor, bendor. Oh my god, bendor, the greatest.

[@mightwenotbehappy]

Bendor left to do his own programme on bbc four

[@Earth098]

Thanks a lot for uploading!!

[@adama8570]

Thank you any chance of Episode 2 (Series11)?

[@golden1789]

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.

[@mightwenotbehappy]

You’re welcome ☺️

[@muldoon67]

13:00 I'm left handed and would have put the marks from Right to Left.

[@ivorytower99]

THANK YOU! :)

[@mightwenotbehappy]

You're welcome!

[@SeanMcGuire92]

As always, thank you for uploading this!

[@mariapilarme]

That woman expert it’s a fraud, you can’t tell by looking at a sketch if the person who draw it was left or right handed.

[@gilessteve]

She was certainly wrong about turning the paper upside down. The strokes would still go in the same direction.

[@melissafarrugia9531]

Very interesting indeed. I would think it’s more difficult to authenticate a sketch than a painting. That Cezanne was not copied when he was alive is very interesting and pertinent information. We have a painting from 1874 but the year it was painted has been disputed many times and even by Paul Cezanne Junior. Also our painting is small, signed ( but this was not obvious till removed from the frame) the size for plein air canvas… I emailed Fake or Fortune because it is identical to the painting I found in Cezanne Catalogue although in centimetres rather than inches. Also the picture has been shown in various exhibition locations under different names such as La Maison Du Pendu which becomes very complicated and complex and difficult when there is His painting of the same year and name ‘house of the hanged Man’ exists also… Our painting needs thorough examination forensics etc to determine if it is the first copy Cezanne did outside before doing a larger oil painting in inches, to upscale the size.

[@aphrabenn3233]

But how many silly things do these so called expert say!?

[@petermichaelherbert5165]

Such a fantastic series this is

[@eileenriley4130]

Perhaps Cezanne borrowed a piece of paper from his friend Pissarro?

[@SpaceCattttt]

In episode 2 of this season, it is revealed that a painting bought in France, must be returned to its original owner, if it turns out that it's a genuine masterwork. So where does the team go in the very next episode? France. 😂

[@ava4830]

It wasn't bought there and the woman herself was French at the time. So the drawings imigrated with her. Not the same thing

[@CarolynMcPherson-r3z]

So the translation of the materials that were used in this painting: "crayons" in French means "pencils". But when this word is being translated into English I think "crayon" picks up a connotation of "wax". Could that be part of the problem?

[@Coin945]

How could they not have work this out? Basically everybody in the show speaks French

[@rachelpower4700]

Yes, pastel is a dry material and crayons are waxy and often used by children, I suppose. Seems strange that this confusion would not be well recognised and understood by now though!

[@yvettem52]

Thank you for posting the show. I enjoy the science and research behind the artwork. Disappointed the powers that be would not authenticate the Cezanne.

[@mylesgarcia4625]

Another GREAT episode, Fiona & Philip. Thanks very much for undertaking the journey for us!! (P.S. I'm beginning to like Anthea now.)

[@RouzbehRafie]

57:04 cups are empty …

[@jaydee5022]

Love the fact that the lawyer had a Cezanne casually propped up against the wall - or was it a fake?

[@francoisjacobs7388]

I have taken the small initiative of signing my work with my fingerprint, as I am part of a small collective that does not add a signature to the front of an image in order not to unbalance the image itself. Has it ever been an option to explore this direction within these kinds of investigations?

[@stevenschwagel8029]

Thank you.❤

[@sencercbf]

Since the sketch is not destroyed and back in one piece, the verdict is obvious, init? 😂

[@jep1912]

But, how could the Cezanne tree match exactly as overlayed on top of the other... unless he traced his tree absolutely exactly with no deviations which is very very hard.

[@NickVenture1]

I agree with you. This makes me think that somebody traced the tree by just putting one paper on top of the other. Ourdays a photo or just a photocopy or a print at the original scale will be enough to create the replica. If the tree has even the exact same size.. that is not realistic to think that an artist like Cezanne bothered to replicate a tree he draw free hand outdoors.. as an exact copy replica on another conposition. Which exists on public view since many years. Available to copying by whoever will dare... and take just old paper from the flea market to play around. Also immediately suspicious to me was the existence in the same batch.. of these other obviously fakes. Where they also supposed to be from the same origin?

[@akeman21]

"France is the moral country", haha 😆

[@SpaceCattttt]

It's a reference to French copyright law. But yes, I agree that it sounds ridiculous. And several of those laws are absolutely insane!

[@adamkencki]

crocs!

[@WendySamples-xq7sq]

Sometimes like they .at have taken a trip together to the holy land .

[@francoisjacobs7388]

My next step of course is to commit a petty crime and register my fingerprint

[@christopherrankine1364]

I had a similar negative experience from Bonhams over a rare oversized vintage fountain pen. So I took it 2 kilometres to another auction house who gladly included it in catalogue and sold it without any dispute.

[@jeffpetrie7744]

Another fantastic episode!! Thank you. 😊

[@timlynch5710]

Money, it's always about money.

[@terrybrown4400]

I knew the Cezanne wasn’t by him. One look told me it was one of Bob Ross’s “happy little trees” It was nice and spindly, the way he always paints them. There was also a mention of Prussian Blue, one of the paint colours he used😅

[@aphrabenn3233]

It’s absolutely by Cezanne.

[@francoisjacobs7388]

...pray fame might one day follow from the grave

[@gmariet1391]

My Father was an artist . His one rule I recall him teaching me when young , was never work on anyone elses work .

[@katewild2194]

If you watch the Ben Nicholson episode the so called experts said that another artist had painted on the painting and that only part of the painting was by Ben I said at the time when I watched the program there is no way another artist would have painted on a work that Ben had done.

[@Colossalsize]

To like cezanne you need to copy him. You cannot like him without understanding what he tried to do...

[@Dr10Jeeps]

That's a fair point. I have copied two Cezanne oil paintings and gained a whole new perspective on his talent and use of colour.

[@db0800]

He certainly didn't know or care for rules.

[@Colossalsize]

@@db0800 i always think that he dealt with the skin of the world, and by showing the skin, the shell , he shows the behind. As a painter you have only one tool , which is appearences, and showing the appaerance only, pointing the beyond the appaearence is genious, and a great vision and a great challenge . Thats what i like in him. Taking the impossible as a challenge and submitting his life to it .

[@poetryqn]

Thank you so much for this!

[@debbiebryden7007]

What happened to no 2

[@Jigger2361]

it got flushed

[@kbob1158]

The number of adds in excessive.

[@anthonyanderson9326]

KZbin premium is very very much worth the monthly price

[@fabiodeoliveiraribeiro1602]

Soon, the history of fake art will be more interesting than the history of art. In fact, it will be difficult to make a distinction between the two, because in the eyes of an AI, everything is information. And we already are and will be increasingly trained by AIs to think the same way. At some point in the future, anyone who insists on saying "there is incontrovertible proof that this work of art is truly authentic" will be laughed at, made nasty comments (Poor guy, he's gone crazy) or branded as dangerous, criminal or, worse, revolutinformationary.

[@SandyMoulder]

Conte crayon

[@rachelpower4700]

Exactly!

[@PlanttreesMS]

New subscriber here. I've been watching your series for a while, just love Philip's descriptions, usually so poetic! The exhaustive work you do is remarkable! And when you find validation your joy equals that of the hopeful owners, that is really moving to watch, and when your work fails, your sorrow too.

[@kenwharton4465]

These are great! By any chance do you have S11E02? The only one I could find marked as such is actually S11E01 :-( Thanks!

[@mightwenotbehappy]

Episode 2 was blocked 🚫 for copyright It’s been uploaded here drive.google.com/file/d/1NNvPOMWIltuo3naZj3ee65tO1QbsmFLl/view?usp=drivesdk

[@deethebee80]

oh my word youre my hero @@mightwenotbehappy xxx

[@shabbos-goy9407]

@@mightwenotbehappy This is FANTASTIC!!! I cannot thank you enough!!! Is Gorky E4 out..

[@beaulah_califa9867]

i still can not get it to play. any advice? i have a mac airbook. it says error. @@mightwenotbehappy

[@ChrDen]

@@mightwenotbehappy Seems like the file is missing now? Do you still have it? :)

[@neilgill1639]

Is there any chance you could repost episode 2? I wasn't able to see it in time or download it from your google drive. Thank you for posting these episodes. I look forward to them and their postings can't come quick enough 😊

[@mightwenotbehappy]

It’s still on my Google drive drive.google.com/file/d/1NNvPOMWIltuo3naZj3ee65tO1QbsmFLl/view?usp=drivesdk

[@TheEliseRodgers]

@@mightwenotbehappy”unable to play video at this time, number of play backs has been exceeded”

[@mightwenotbehappy]

@TheEliseRodgers you can still download it

[@abesouth3805]

Philip, you of all people should know that Vincent Van Gogh was not an impressionist. He knew several of the people involved in that movement. yet never painted in that style.

[@michaelepp6212]

They have to expand the market by 'discovering ' more masterworks on an ongoing basis.

[@peterwhelan173]

Great video but had to give up watching it due to excessive advert placement!

[@tonylarussa4046]

I thought the father of impressionism was Manet?

[@Lasselucidora]

Monet was.. Manet did not want to take part in the impressionists exhibition.

[@Myacckt]

Post-impressionism is decades later

[@Lasselucidora]

@@Myacckt Well, 1885, kind of the same people.

[@WendySamples-xq7sq]

The artist seems to have drawn the place in here Jesus was laid after he was killed probable he stood outside the tomb and sketched it.

[@debbiegoodwin6316]

What happened to Episode 2?

[@mightwenotbehappy]

Blocked for copyright

[@debbiegoodwin6316]

@@mightwenotbehappy Well this lady in Canada is darned GRATEFUL! Thank You So Much!

[@diomarisumagaysay]

Please disregard my question. I watch the Ep 2 that you link. Thank you so much!