FAKE OR FORTUNE VUILLARD

Fiona Bruce and Philip Mould investigate more potentially valuable works of art, beginning byhelping a man who believes he owns a painting by French post-impressionist Edouard Vuillard. Thequest for provenance begins in Geneva, where Philip compares the picture with a huge Vuillard workcreated in 1919, trying to find out whether the same materials were used in both, while Fionauncovers clues to the picture's origins in France and Holland. Once they have enough evidence, theyseek the approval of the Wildenstein Institute in Paris - but these are the same experts whonotoriously rejected a highly credible Monet back in the very first episode. Have they done enoughto prove this picture is genuine?8)

[@SchlichteToven]

I wouldn't trust the Wildenstein's catalogue raisonée to actually present all the verified works of an artist, considering they accept or deny paintings based more on politics and whim than evidence. They're also crooked as a clothes hanger - fraud, money-laundering, possession of stolen artwork. I've been disgusted with them since I saw the episode with that Monet painting that was beyond a doubt authentic, and they refused to agree bc their father had decided in the past it was fake and they didn't want their dad to look bad. Now all of them look bad.

[@lindabriggs8330]

Clarkson

[@JNL76]

Agreed

[@jacquesmertens3369]

From the perspective of an art lover it matters whether a painting is genuine or not. For the art business it doesn't matter at all, because it's just a money laundering circus. A handful of people in NY, London and Hong Kong decide which works of art they're going to use to keep the money laundering going. The buyers aren't even taking the paintings home. The paintings just go back to the vault in Switzerland where they came from, waiting for the next pre-planned money exchange.

[@seanfaherty]

Funny, I feel the other way. As An art lover I feel It doesn't matter WHO painted it as long as it's beautiful It is only the art market who cares who painted it. Is a painting more beautiful when you know who painted it ?

[@jacquesmertens3369]

@@seanfaherty Please read. I didn't suggest the name is important to me. But a copy is theft. You steal the heart and soul of someone else.

[@seanfaherty]

A copy that admits to being a copy is not theft. I figure it doesn't matter who's name is on it. It is it's own thing. Why is an ugly scribble by Picasso more valuable than a lovely Gullackson ? Because he is capable of such beauty ? So are you. So am I. Value doesn't not come from the potential of the artist. A well running truck is worth more than a poorly running truck no matter if they are both Fords. A running Subaru is worth more than a broken Ford. I understand I'm comparing apples to typewriters here but it illustrates that the value of the art in this Doc is in the name of the artist not in the value of the art itself. These fellas seem to think it only becomes valuable when you know who painted it. I state the name of the artist means nothing. If a copy is better than the original which should be more valuable ?@@jacquesmertens3369

[@El_Hicks]

What a great, and actually REALLY important show this is.

[@dinsdaleseven1627]

They have to bring all 3 paintings together again.

[@pdruiz2005]

At 56:03. I feel happy for this guy. But I feel crushed on behalf of the old couple who owned BOTH oval Vuillard paintings before him. That sucks. They tried so hard, looking for provenance on their own dime and with their own effort. I like that the University of Edinburgh professor was on their side. But they simply didn't have the money to overcome all these obstacles. This guy got lucky that the BBC decided to make his painting into an episode. Otherwise he would've been on the same boat as the old couple. Now to figure out the e-Bay buyer of the other oval painting.

[@pamelaiverson5527]

He didn’t get lucky, he found a painting he instantly loved and trusted his instincts that it was a genuine Vuillard. Obviously the program thought there was merit in his claim and took on the project.

[@pdruiz2005]

I meant lucky in the sense that this guy didn’t have to spend his own money pinning down provenance for his Vuillard painting. Searches of this sort are expensive, with the trips to Switzerland, paying experts like Aviva, searching through a million archives and even getting access to a secret vault of art treasures in a Geneva bank. The BBC paid for all of it to make this episode. That’s what I mean by luck, luck the old couple didn’t have.

[@chattykathie7129]

I’m the kind of person who reads the last chapter of a book then go back and read the book. 😂

[@ChristaFree]

I hope they told the person who bought the other one. They had to deliver the painting to someone. Had to have an address.

[@BadgerWhisper]

Is there an episode in which Fiona in a blue jacket goes outside the uk for a painting and says to a guy 'so where is it?' and brings it back with her? I've looked all over and can't find it anywhere.

[@mightwenotbehappy]

@@BadgerWhisper it’s the Rembrandt episode but it’s been blocked on copyright reasons

[@whitneylake2107]

What an authentication roller coaster. Finally, the "Frankenstein" Institute is forced to the truth !

[@theresabraddock9310]

that guy who just got his picture authenticated probably secretly works for the frankenstein institute who denied the original owners. waiting them out until the owners were "hard up" as it were. who got the one on ebay? hmm

[@giuseppenero110]

They call themselves "experts" of art, but rely only on the paper trail

[@takaoshimoda1154]

The French.

[@lysedeslune]

@Whitney - I love the nickname the "Frankenstein" institute, you made me laugh out loud. What's infuriating about this institute is their _rudeness_ (they mostly don't even reply to the mail, typically french) and the criminal fact that they destroy fake paintings like the Chagall's according to the law! I think there will be a market and a history for the fakes. Worse : In the past some paintings have been considered fake before the advancement of science. Imagine destroying a genuine Monet or Gauguin!

[@lysedeslune]

@@takaoshimoda1154 😂 As a French I approve this message.

[@melanies.6030]

It struck me how clever Vuillard was with the oval canvas and the angled perspective: it's as though the painting is a wall mirror, angled slightly down as a mirror would be, reflecting the ladies at the table. Absolutely brilliant.

[@Earth098]

It's so unfair and ridiculous that one institution (Wildenstein) has the final say for this subject. They don't even explain how they come to a conclusion, or by whom.

[@carolweideman1905]

The Wildenstein Institution got into trouble and I for one am very glad.

[@CONEHEADDK]

I expect that to be a matter of a good court case. Proof is proof.

[@geoffkelly8160]

I'm about five episodes in and can't stop. Who'd of thunk a show like this would be so addictive.

[@katharinatrub1338]

yes, very addictive this show, I agree totally with you !

[@ivorytower99]

More than "addictive"! Completely chuffed about SERIES 11 of FAKE OR FORTUNE airing in two nights!!!

[@silverlining1613]

@@katharinatrub1338I thought it was just me! I'm not an art fan, but I cannot stop watching this fascinating show!

[@KaliMaaaaa]

Thank you so much for uploading this brilliant series! With all the recent corruption and criminal charges brought again the Wildensteins, I can only hope that justice will be served and their predatory and monopolistic control of the art market is FINALLY broken. Clearly, they are a family of criminals.

[@andreaandrea6716]

Really? Were they caught and charged? They're just awful. I would love to know that they were exposed. (Oh, les connards qui se prennent pour les dieux!)

[@M.Campbell]

@@andreaandrea6716 Charged with tax fraud only.

[@andreaandrea6716]

@@M.Campbell And found guilty?

[@M.Campbell]

@@andreaandrea6716 It's still in court. This is the second time.

[@andreaandrea6716]

@@M.Campbell Thank you! ...That fact alone SHOULD have SOME bearing on their being held up as experts (supposedly with integrity). But it doesn't work that way. Power in the wrong hands.

[@justinwhite6787]

I cannot Love this series More. Every one teaches me something - extraordinary!

[@damienkearns3654]

Totally agree

[@henrylivingstone2971]

I feel so bad for the Warner’s they could’ve had two small fortunes considering they owned two of Vuillard’s paintings 😱

[@AFAskygoddess]

I don't feel bad for them AT ALL. They only wanted the painting to be valuable and dumped them to the highest bidder when proof couldn't be found. If they had truly loved the paintings for the artistic value, they'd still be hanging on the wall in their home.

[@PatchworkUSA]

@@AFAskygoddess They didn't own the paintings. The family of the owner of the two paintings, Doris Zinkheisen, hired Bob to "dispose" of her belongings and it was up to him to get the best price for everything. If he kept them for himself he would be stealing them.

[@falkhammermuller9342]

well, they also bought it cheap enough to not be at a loss. So it's fine.

[@leavingitblank9363]

@@falkhammermuller9342Read the thread before commenting.

[@SuperMan-xy8ui]

They could have hired experts. The right people sometimes only need to make a phone call or two. If a reputable auction house had accepted the artworks, they likely would have sleuthed.

[@JNL76]

As an art lover and moreover and art history lover, I am binge watching this programme and I thank you all so much for uploading the episodes!

[@xyzllii]

I have to say ...in Lockdown...I'm really enjoying this series.

[@Waggers789]

So have I, I feel like I’ve learnt a lot about artists and the art world.

[@stude1953]

I agree these are all good!

[@kyleanuar9090]

I've only discovered this amazing show in march '23

[@Sugarplum2025]

I love this show so much!! Best of all worlds - art, detective work, research, forensic science, travel to farflung locales, suspense... Can I please have a job on the research team??

[@soniatriana9091]

@S Excellent Comment/Request!

[@sidroik]

These fake or fortune videos are enormously well done, interesting and more exciting than any Agatha Christie tale. THANK YOU for sharing with us mere mortal, but I always feel so diminished having nothing to do with riches, art, society, or any other desirable position. I am sorry that I can't claim to anything of importance, nothing, but I do thank you for these wonderful uploads and Fiona and Philip are so interesting.

[@graceaxisa4213]

What is the point of having that other authenticated Vuillard locked away in a vault. What an absolute waste!

[@andreaandrea6716]

Idiot rich people!

[@jenniferlynn3537]

To some, art is an investment - and a vault is the safest place to store it while it appreciates in value. Moreover, a work being “out of view” for many years could enhance its desirability to future prospective buyers, thus increasing its value. I believe THAT is the point - and protection of fine art is never a waste. Even museums don’t display many of the works they own.

[@Satu-zs7gm]

but the one from this show was the better art!! it's more dynamic and would command a higher price

[@fenixfp40]

Surely, tracking the owner of the third painting could have been done through eBay’s records.

[@NyanyiC]

What's the point of having beautiful art and keeping it in an ugly box 🙄

[@alwayspaul]

Yes, isn't that awful? Where us ordinary folks will never get to see it. They should at least lend it to a museum if they're not going to have it in their home.

[@Catbooks]

What a wonderful episode! Towards the end it was no surprise it was acknowledged, but a great ride along the way with fascinating and excellent detective work on the part of the team!

[@douro20]

Zinkeisen is a rather important historical figure herself. The Red Cross commissioned her as a painter to document their activities in Europe during and after WWII.

[@v.ra.]

Thank you for pointing this out as she truly is an amazing artist

[@elizabethannegrey6285]

I wonder whether the airing of this programme will prompt the owner of the second panel to come to light. Thrilling end to a treasure hunt.

[@brbapappa]

It's been online for four years already

[@Dmccallum2000]

It always makes me mad when great works of art are collected and purposefully kept from the public.

[@andreaandrea6716]

My thoughts exactly!

[@SchlichteToven]

Well, at least that private collector let them compare his/her painting to the one in question - even letting them take paint samples. He/she could have just said "no." It's unfair that some people have the money to have private art collections, but I also don't think art is by nature public property. If a museum paid a high enough price, the owner would probably sell that painting to a museum since it's just sitting in a vault.

[@queen.macbeth]

What's even sadder to me is keeping it locked up in a box so that even the owners can't see it.

[@notpocky9806]

It’s possible it’s frame is being restored? Or perhaps the room it normally hangs in is being remodeled? I mean, there’s lots of reasons it might be sitting safely in a vault for a spell, none of them constitute hoarding 🤷‍♀️

[@pamelaiverson5527]

⁠@@SchlichteTovenWhy is it unfair that some people have the money to have private collections.? Without people with money who would the artists sell their work to? The great portraits of Van Dyke, Constable and Reynolds would not exist. They own these works, they preserve them and whether they want to keep them private or share them is entirely their business. I don’t resent people with money whether they inherited it or made their own fortune, good luck to them.

[@0230Raveena]

very sad that private owners would have the painting locked away. I think the world needs to enjoy it. Why not loan it to a gallery?!

[@carlotta4th]

There's not much point owning something if you yourself can't enjoy it. They're nice to loan it to a museum (or this program for forensic analysis) at all.

[@andreaandrea6716]

@@carlotta4th But it was in storage. So... enjoying OWNING it ... but not living with it. Rather horrible.

[@stalkek]

It’s certainly the right of an individual to buy an own such a work of art, but it is also certainly awful for it to be locked up in a vault!

[@califmike2003]

Her French is very impressive spot-on French from the lady.

[@Skooty68]

She went to university in France

[@ericswain4177]

Wildenstein needs to be investigated on their practices and past. They are a vested interest party of self-governing authority. I think most people know where that leads.

[@pdruiz2005]

At 36:09. Awwww...the little guy definitely doesn't stand a chance against the rich boys in the art world. This mom-and-pop gallery simply didn't have the resources to chase after leads to prove their oval paintings were Vuillards. In the meantime, this BBC show, with all its credibility and art-world pizzazz, can just convince some private owner of a Vuillard in Geneva to open up his vaults and then to have world-renowned scientists poking around comparing and contrasting. That takes serious moolah. That these little guys simply didn't have.

[@Chloe-oz9nv]

One of the best episodes ever!!

[@AUGUSTALLEN28]

I was very happy for the owner. I can't imagine the pressure he must have felt? The other oval should be easy to find by now.

[@rosettiartist]

I have the other oval painting!!!! It's still not quite dry though. All offers considered ;)

[@xyz12345457]

I'm sure eBay UK has (or had at the time this show was produced) the record of who bought the painting. Why didn't they contact eBay?

[@benediktmorak4409]

if this series would be a drug, i for sure would consider myself a junkie!

[@JNL76]

After having seen the Monet episode and knowing the miserable people the Wildensteins are, I didn't expect this end. Honestly, it made me cry of happiness for Keith, he seems to honestly love the painting. I felt sorry for the Warrens though, they will not see a penny of what they've spend on getting it recognised...

[@merseybeat1963]

Ridiculous them rejecting the thing with such glaringly obviously quality and characteristics..what kind of experts are they ? It was exclaimed originally as one of Vuillard's most impressive works back then..and these Wildenstein Experts could not tell that it was..at the very least..very likely to be a Vuillard ?? They are hollow superficial experts.

[@cruisepaige]

I think I have a crush on Bendor. He’s so brainy! ❤

[@stuart8663]

See, I would "fake" a painting to just get a hug from Fiona Bruce 59 minutes later. Just saying....

[@geoffdundee]

Stu Art ....when you see fiona in real life she is painfully thin and anorexic looking..she would possibly snap in two if you hugged her.......when you see anyone on tv it makes them look fatter than they really are.........therefore she appears thin on tv but is thinner in real life........ive seen her a couple of times......i like her though - nice lady.

[@Just-in-Spenc]

@@geoffdundee what an odd comment to share for no reason.

[@geoffdundee]

@@Just-in-Spenc ..why odd.someone said theyld hug her but i said shed snap in two if you done so........found it weird you left a comment saying mine was weird when yours was the weird one....dont you read?

[@saralynfosnight5139]

What they are calling "glue" is actually gelatin, which is still used to make watercolor paper impervious to watercolor paints. The D'Arches company makes a very popular paper that smells like dead animals when new and wet. I have a lot of it.

[@cruisepaige]

I am hoping to treat myself to some Arches but I am practicing a lot more first.

[@semperfidelis2970]

Never had I a true appreciation or understanding of fine art. I looked at something for face value and said I like it or I hate it. With this series however, I have come to truly appreciate fine art and all its nuances. I look at paintings in a far different light that I never would have if not for this educational series. I have become a lover of fine art and have gone from saying something like....... Yeah that's okay or that's awful and i hate it to looking and understanding what goes into a picture. I am amazed with myself that I've done a complete 180

[@StephanieDreyfurst-ib5js]

Loved reading about your "conversion". The great thing is that your appreciation will only grow, the more you delve into art. Well done!

[@mylesgarcia4625]

What a marvelous, choking episode! I wonder if the "Oysters" pair has turned up? Doesn't Keith look like a bro of Steve Bannon? Maybe Steve Bannon has the missing "Oysters" pair??

[@theresabraddock9310]

the frankenstein institute themselves probably bought it off ebay knowing they were real and knowing the owners were hard up for cash

[@argusfleibeit1165]

Keith looks like a nice man. Bannon has sulfur fumes erupting from every orifice.

[@mylesgarcia4625]

@@argusfleibeit1165 LOL!! Indeed.

[@czgator9000]

@@argusfleibeit1165 And Keith obviously bathes and shaves.

[@abbygail6010]

Wildenstein is like the villain in this show. Like a stupid malice that comes round the corner for the most promising episodes

[@philmorton4590]

Well if this happened sooner the second painting would still be with it and not lost to ebay!

[@WillowLynneEvans]

Thank you so much!!!! I can't even describe how much I appreciate this. Please let me know if you happen to post anymore. Very Grateful!

[@mightwenotbehappy]

Willow Evans uploading another now

[@WillowLynneEvans]

Oh Thank You!!!!! Can't wait to see it

[@mightwenotbehappy]

Willow Evans I’m trying to upload all of them just trying to found the dl links

[@WillowLynneEvans]

Oh Brilliant! Thank you! Thank You! It will be thrilling to see them.

[@AnnabelleJARankin]

I only very recently, by chance, came across this series. It's completely compelling and always a wonderful watch. Not only is each episode like a genuine mystery story unravelling, they are also nail-bitingly tense as well as very informative regarding art history. Fabulous!

[@falkhammermuller9342]

I really love this show. Unreal, how cool the paper trail search for an old painting can be.

[@susanhazard632]

I'm fascinated by the attention paid to paintings that are considered valuable. When the artist, as Vuillard, painted the pieces, it was a problem to be solved. An image in the mind to be transferred to canvas, with light, shape, movement, color and texture. When I paint, I don't think of where the painting will eventually go - sold and displayed where? for how long? cherished or forgotten? I just paint what I feel needs to be painted, or a challenge to be solved. I don't think any famous painter would have ever thought of where their painting would be after sold, or after their death. It was just a painting. If it sold, one could buy more paint, or dinner, or pay the rent. Now, because the painter cannot paint any more, the pieces are deemed valuable and investments, and the original worth is transcended by perceived worth, and greed.

[@redshoesgirl]

painters working "for hire" have to think of where the art is going to be hung, as in this case, the Teddy. same with photographers, sometimes we are creating an image that speaks to us personally, other time, working for hire, for a purpose, a photo is created for the client.

[@StereoSpace]

I wish this series were on DVD. There are several people I would gift it to.

[@brbapappa]

Peculiar people who own a DVD player and don't have access to KZbin.

[@andreaandrea6716]

@@brbapappa Not all of the episodes are on youtube.

[@normanmerrill1241]

Absolutely fantastic…brilliant presentation and result. In the bizarre world of art and the business of art, there is hope and occasional justice. I actually had a few tears. Thanks and be safe

[@raeafoley6131]

WHY!!!!???? Does anyone in he art world still bother with here pretentious, snobby and arrogant criminals!? Who the hell really needs them when there are LOADS of experts out there on all the known big and small artist across decades and centuries! In he end of the day art IS subjective! There are artist out there from which I wouldn't even buy a post card with a print of their art like Picasso or Van Gough! But that's just my personal taste! And that's all those Wildenstein people do! Give their opinions on their own personal taste it seems! Their name says it all really 'wild stones'! Crazy, mad, lacking any kind f emotion! Stiff, cold and hard! Perhaps f they were thrown into a sweat lodge-metaphorically speaking!

[@robertgiles9124]

Share the Drugs there Raea Rage Queen....you're getting bent over....paintings and opinions of. Check yourself.

[@dennismanning3964]

The Toledo Museum of Art has a marvelous Vuillard of people perusing a museum looking at odd objects

[@stuartgraca]

The paint used is in fact size paint and not distemper. I used to paint scenery in London and many of the English National Opera sets of the twenties, had been painted with this technique, so any refurbishment was done using size. The advantage of this paint was cost and also the reusability of the canvas. By turning the painting and laying it face down onto sheets of news print, the whole painting could be removed with the application of hot water.

[@_wesleyhome_]

Was the purchaser of the accompanying work on Ebay ever contacted? They have a very important piece there!

[@philmorton4590]

I think you could have it backwards, no husband lets his wife fool around my the artist, more likely they were fooling around and the wife didn't care.

[@pauladouglas9891]

Oh goody another success finally, the animal glue paint was the clincher. Can they find the Ebay buyer of the other painting?

[@nickdryad]

How marvellously French! Sums everything up nicely.

[@debbielb2325]

It’s maddening that the Wildenstein Institute has the final say so often when they are so bias.

[@paulreilly3904]

Hi Debbie, thanks for your comment. I'm just someone who finds these programmes interesting and I have no special knowledge or expertise. But it did seem wrong, or dangerous that authentication and therefore value in the market place should be concentrated in the hands of a single institution and as it turns out just a couple of people. So I had a look and lo and behold the Wildenstein institute seems to have been discredited. Raided by the French Police over tax evasion issues and holding stolen paintings. They appear to have set themselves up as the ultimate arbiters of authenticity and I believe that the Wildenstein institute has been shut down and reinvented themselves as the Wildenstein Plattner institute in New York. Too much power in the hands of too few is never healthy in my opinion and their reinvention promoting accessibility and other " virtues" does not convince me. I hope you find this of interest. My very best wishes to you. Kind regards Paul

[@thefilmandmusic]

This is tv at its very best

[@mylesgarcia4625]

I totally agree!!

[@simonbrown9695]

i have just found this show and in 3 nightgs now watched all episodes its amazing show

[@conniekiers9554]

If someone has a great art treasure, why keep it in a locked crate and in a secret vault? Isn't art supposed to be displayed and enjoyed?

[@kubagornowicz]

What a sad thing, that a painting, that was created for viewing pleasure is sitting in a sealed box in some underground vault, seen by no one.

[@akschmidt2085]

Hearing about the affairs Fiona: "How marvellously french!" I love you, Fiona!

[@kaylaantonio6460]

@ 40:20 GRIPPING! This is the best kind of drama! Also, this theater scene painter is incredible with his strokes ❤

[@timtaylor1365]

Another triumph....so moving to see. Absolutely enthralling.

[@victoriaselwyn8781]

Its interesting to watch this cultish search for provenance as the painting is transformed into investment. Seeing that entombed Villuiard, the larger cafe painting, locked away by a wealthy owner about sums up the damage the art market does to the world of art.

[@nickdryad]

Imagine The Warren’s just keeping the painting because it was a beautiful painting, the reward would have been immense.

[@giuseppenero110]

How exactly? If they stopped researching the painting and kept it, they never would have realized its' value anyway.

[@nickdryad]

giuseppe nero you’re missing my point which is, if they kept it because their hunch was strong and kept on searching, they would have be rewarded with owning the beautiful and historically valuable painting and also vindicated. Of course financial pressures may have been a significant reason for selling. I’m just sorry that they knew they were right but didn’t have the benefit of the Fake or Fortune team to investigate.They knew it was an authentic Vuillard.

[@AFAskygoddess]

I agree. The Warrens didn't deserve to own the painting. They only cared about the monetary value of it, not the artistic value. They dumped it when they couldn't prove it was valuable. Sucks to be them.

[@brianjohnson8918]

I like the gates on that institute. Alternate opinions not welcome here, snob fortress extraordinaire!

[@celtoloco788]

Thow is fascinating. As an artist it makes me sign the back of all my work, once im gone this is what will happen if i dont

[@melanies.6030]

One clever thing that came up during one of the episodes was the distinctive way some artists would sign their name over a wet blob of paint, and/or dip their thumb in paint and put the thumbprint on the back of the canvas.

[@darreno9874]

These expert institutes that authenticate paintings seem to dislike ordinary people finding original paintings. I know there are fakes etc. But to dismiss paintings only to reconsider some times many years later is close to fraud. The really dumb thing is the instute couldn't identify an original painting by the artist they are the experts in. I think the previous owners who presented both paintings should seek legal advice to see if then can recover their financhial loss due to the failure to accurately assess the paintings.

[@andreaandrea6716]

What a fantastic idea!

[@buds8423]

My hope is these 2 paintings can be put on loan for a traveling exhibition as so many museums still recovering from Covid losses. …and Bless all those KZbin programs posting art videos and the museums posting their curator skits-including Mould!

[@huahindan]

Excellent documentary! Thank you

[@charmerci]

6:30 - don't take it to the Wildenstein Institute! 9:20 Oh no!

[@quickdraw9648]

Had to look and see if the second painting has been located in private hands or not. As of the Wiki page of me posting, it hasn't been located yet.

[@philipjones369]

Thank God for THAT........WOW

[@geoffdundee]

if they sold the oyster one on ebay they will have the name and address of the person who purchased it surely

[@mouse5178]

I wonder how much the other went for on EBay and where it is now

[@cruisepaige]

I love this program. I studied Art History in undergrad, and my career took a different path but my heart is still in love with art. Especially old paintings!

[@SuperMan-xy8ui]

1926 exhibitions in Amsterdam AND in The Hague, only the Amsterdam exhibition catalog was found. Likely a copy of The Hague’s exhibition catalog is around somewhere, that catalog may have contained the dimensions.

[@trout211]

Google this for an interesting read regarding the sale of the Vuillard painting: Sotherby's - Impressionist & Modern Art Day Sale 04 February 2016 • London, Lot 391 Estimate 250,000 - 350,000 GBP

[@daytonagreg8765]

If the Frankenstein (Wildenstein) Institute had even the slightest respect for art they would have assisted in validating the obvious. Sadly, it was a snobby, cliquish organization that would rather say “you’re not in the club” and shockingly risk the loss of that art to history (or the dump)… they’d rather do THAT than embrace a newly found Vuillard for the benefit of art itself. The fact that an organization like the Wildenstein was permitted to have any say, let alone the final say, in the authenticity of ANYTHING shows just how contrived & broken the art business has been. It’s quite shocking that the wealthy participate in what, in many instances, is a charade.

[@damienkearns3654]

Thank you so much for uploading these gems 🙏🙌❤️

[@leavingitblank9363]

I'm surprised that all the descriptions were of the same items in the painting, and no one mentioned what appears to be a large crab flat on the tablecloth right up front. (While this painting keeps being referred to as a restaurant scene, the other is just "oysters".) Also, what's with the weird, comic strip-like treatment of the man's face in the other painting? Looks like something you'd see in a magazine cartoon.

[@virginiaf.5764]

What I don't understand is why an organization like Wildensteins refute paintings based on nothing, because they do not do the legwork we see in these episodes. Surely they have the same resources and would consider the importance of works like this, and that Monet they turned up their noses on. They seem fraudulent to me. In this case, they couldn't possibly question the research. I wonder if they feel foolish at their mistakes.

[@differenttakethanmost]

It wd be awesome if the new owner sells (and why wouldn’t he- wasn’t that the whole point? Prove it’s worth millions not hundreds or thousands???) and gave the previous owners - who knew they were genuine too- a decent cut of the proceeds.

[@carlotta4th]

No one would give a previous owner a cut. It just isn't done (unless they have a current claim and you strike a compromise to settle it).

[@differenttakethanmost]

@@carlotta4th yeah… But, wouldn’t it be nice…

[@andreaandrea6716]

(I had the same thought!)

[@AFAskygoddess]

What if the painting had ultimately been valued at only £1,000? Would the previous owners refunded £10,000 to the new owner? No, they wouldn't have. It's a "sucks to be them" situation.

[@franciscouderq1100]

You nailed it

[@TashkentUzbekistan-zw5qk]

Wow! It was so satisfying to see that the Wildensteins finally accepted it as authentic. I think that when they presented the painting "Bonds de la Seine à Argenteuil" by Monet, they did a bit less reserch compared to this case. 👍

[@debl9957]

Impressed by the investigative work on this painting - and an awesome outcome. Warrens are proven to have been correct. Someone, btw, is painting the 2nd missing oval as we speak ..

[@eveningstar1]

smart move sending the professor to lobby for this painting! once burned ...

[@joecombs7468]

When it comes the the Wildenstein, I doubt any work they claim as authentic and always give a second look to anything they deny. Their decisions are based solely on politics and their competitors and never on the work in question. In this case they were finally forced into the correct decision after denying the work the first time.

[@andreaandrea6716]

These are WONDERFUL!!! I am SO GRATEFUL for your posting them!! Thank you so much!

[@canaandaddario1992]

The one thing that every art dealer and auction house never want to hear a wealthy client say : This painting is a counterfeit, I've been taken for a fool! FAKE OR FORTUNE

[@mcclure440]

Nobody can beat Dr. Barndoor Growers investigative techniques....

[@WendySamples-xq7sq]

Was Keith's framed oval picture. The frame of that picture actually be one of the ovals the he took and used as a frame for his painting.

[@CanChikMay]

Ebay keeps records for over ten yrs... for sellers anyway..

[@CONEHEADDK]

Anything else had ruined their brand. There are limmits to, what you can get away with, even if you have the power to get away with it..

[@WendySamples-xq7sq]

Common he did the decorating of a cafe. And to advertise the cafe he painted a painting of the cafe that he actually was the architect to.go figure

[@muffin6369]

I watch this all the time. I JUST noticed what I think is a pack of cigs ors a red cig holder. WOW!

[@Magicpoppy]

I love this show❤. It's the only thing I watch without looking at the comments first🤭

[@mayclark3659]

now I'm curious about the other painting... lol 😄

[@partialartsblackbelt8384]

It was nice of the owner of the verified painting to allow access and samples