Falcom Caves to PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE - Ys X: Proud Nordics

[@encrypt2344]

I don't mind remix edition like what Atlus did. what I mind is timing. I think this announcement should have came prior to Western Ys X release. I get the Japanese version was out for awhile but as a recent customer who supported Falcom by purchasing Ys X Western version early I feel a little scammed, this will just make me reconsider picking up Falcom games in the future day one.

[@phaolo6]

Or at least they should have provided an high discount for the previous version's owners

[@sanane66543]

@@phaolo6 hell na they should either give it for free to already owners of ys x they paid 60 or as a add on for max 20 extra

[@PestulonGaming]

Yes, the Proud Nordics announcement coming prior to the Nordics worldwide release would have been a better way to handle this. That way, worldwide customers could have chosen to wait.

[@JustinCoats-o6q]

Falcom is definitely not the kind of publisher I thought I'd ever have to say "oh, Falcom? I'll wait a year." Like I do after Atlus went full fomo.

[@PestulonGaming]

Agreed, and hopefully, they will not make this a pattern.

[@anon7596]

glad i saw this. I almost bought the game for Christmas

[@CSionni]

This really does bother me too. I bought the limited/premium edition of Ys X. Will this version also offer that as a physical? Will this version even have a physical? If there is a limited edition, i’ll really feel slapped in the face.

[@PestulonGaming]

Yeah, unfortunately, your premium version is no safer from obsolescence.

[@CSionni]

I actually disagree. If the Proud version has no limited version, there was at least a reason to buy the premium initially, for the other cool pack-ins. But the regular version of X would be completely obsolete in that scenario.

[@PestulonGaming]

For sure. I just mean the overall experience of the game itself as packaged in any current version of Nordics (standard, deluxe, premium, physical, digital) will become obsolesced by Proud Nordics. In terms of the collector's perks of the premium physical edition, those will remain. In fact, it may even grow in value, since it's a first edition.

[@skeletankmcgraw7343]

Yeah...I spent $100 on the CE version of Ys X and haven't even been able to start it yet. Now I feel it would be stupid to play it but I also know it will likely be another 2 years by the time the new version gets a worldwide release, so I am stuck in a conundrum..

[@zach177]

I would say just go ahead and play it. The game is absolutely amazing!

[@keroclow9059]

I saw this. I'm a little disappointed if I am honest. If they were going to do this why not just dlc in either a extra arc or just new game plus mode. Or just wait to do what they actually wanted to do. I deffo learned from atlus to not get their games at first. I can't wait to do this with a falcon game too.

[@cyxceven545]

Yeah, this is gonna teach their fans to hold back on the first dip. This is going to hurt them in the long run.

[@keroclow9059]

@cyxceven545 I've no problem with another definitive edition but so close after it's English date ... Not the best move if am honest. I feel if they were going to do that they should have waited and done a definitive edition instead for English.

[@PestulonGaming]

Yeah, I think the key here is that it should be an available upgrade for supporters of the worldwide release. This is tricky because so many Falcom supporters buy physical, but this is their problem to solve. It may be a Switch 2 exclusive for a while, but I think it will eventually come out for other platforms. When it does, that will be the time to offer Proud Nordics to Nordics supporters.

[@Smileyhat]

Dragon Quest XI did this, too. The original version of the game came out in 2017, only on playstation 4 and PC. Then they came out with a new version with some extra features, like being able to play through the game in a 16-bit mode. That version was exclusive to the Switch in 2019, until it finally released to the PC and other consoles in 2020 But here's the kicker: the steam version of DQ XI S (the expanded version) is just a direct port of the Switch version, which is to say it's a graphical downgrade compared to the previous Steam release. And on top of that, you can no longer buy the original version of the game. So the original version with the nicer graphics is only available to you if you bought it between 2017 and 2020, but if you own the original and want the new version with the new features, there is no upgrade option. You have to just buy it again.

[@donb6897]

yeah that shit pissed me off so much

[@deprofundis442]

​@@donb6897Same. All it does is make me wait for a long time for the new version to be cheap enough that buying it again isn't much more than an upgrade might have cost.

[@PestulonGaming]

Yeah, I’m glad you mentioned DQXI because-in terms of scheduling-it’s an even WORSE example, the only worse example I’m aware of. DQXI’s worldwide release on PS4/PC was on September 4, 2018. XI S was announced in Japan as a Switch exclusive on September 13, 2018. TWO WEEKS LATER! It could be that Proud Nordics will be a Switch 2 exclusive, or maybe a Switch 1 exclusive with a free Switch 2 upgrade. That would soften the blow a bit, but regardless, companies really need to figure out these timing issues.

[@deprofundis442]

@@PestulonGaming It has already been confirmed as a PC, PS4 and PS5 release as well.

[@PestulonGaming]

I’m not seeing any news confirming Proud Nordics for PS4/PS5/PC, but I’ll keep an eye out.

[@uberpinkwarrior]

I've been playing through Ys X, and loving it, and then I heard this statement. I have lost absolutely all desire to play Ys X, and have not touched it since. I just don't care. The same thing happened with atlus, where I ended up blacklisting the company because I got so sick and tired of a better version coming out like a year later or less. If you have a better version of a game come out, and I bought the base version, I'm done. I just don't care.

[@PestulonGaming]

This is the exact scenario Falcom needs to hear about. I’d encourage anyone with this kind of experience to speak up!

[@Gunblade_man]

I was really pissed at falcom when I saw the ps5 version of ys 8 with no new content and few new upgrades was full price with no way ro upgrade from the ps4 vesion at all.

[@PestulonGaming]

Yeah, this also bugged me, but this is pretty common for PS5. It’s common for upgrades of PS4 games to be unavailable to PS5 owners. (Not saying that’s a good thing, but it’s certainly not just a Falcom thing.)

[@Gunblade_man]

@PestulonGaming Not really that common though, most games I know have either a free or paid upgrade to ps5. I can't think of another one that doesn't even have it besides maybe that until dawn remake no one asked for lmao

[@skeletankmcgraw7343]

Ys 8 was already massively upgraded from the Vita version when it came to PS4 though.

[@kjriwoutube]

4:45/4:46 just one comment the original persona 5 was not a PS4 exclusive

[@ct2651]

Yes, it was on ps3, but i do not think it change much since by that point, the ps3 was not popular

[@PestulonGaming]

Thanks for catching this. Persona 5 debuted on PS3/PS4.

[@ct2651]

@@PestulonGaming well, its a good fact, but its still like 10% of the sales on ps3 instead of ps4. So like, it just demonstrate how sales were high back then compare to today

[@PestulonGaming]

I agree. It doesn't change the discussion, but I do appreciate @kjriwoutube's correction

[@mountainmgtow5421]

They've done this before. Every version of Y's VIII Lacrimosa of Dana has different content.

[@TheKnizzine]

Hopefully the Proud stuff is purchasble seperate, got the game for Christmas dont really want to shell out 60 bucks to transfer save data

[@DeBron96]

I am peeved about potentially having to re-buy it eventually. But worse than that, I am mad about wasting my TIME.

[@PestulonGaming]

Of course. I haven’t started Nordics yet (and I’m not sure I will), but I can’t imagine how much more frustrated I would be if I were like 80% finished with the game. Here’s hoping there’s some way to carry progress, but I don’t expect that.

[@jimcarrey2866]

It's better to have more copies than none at all. I''ve been trying to Daybreak at some local retailer but, nobody has it. I can only find it on Amazon

[@OrichalkosTV]

I'm still reserving judgement more so after what Kondo said regarding purposely not announcing any platforms for this title.

[@devantetoppin7879]

I can understand that they don't have the resources to do world wide releases but holy cow is this some BS. No way this shouldn't be a a upgrade option for existing owners. No good reason for that not to exist. It's really worse than that though because they had to have been working on this since the original release maybe even beforehand. Why even release the vanilla version worldwide at that point might as well have scrapped it for the Proud version just BS all around and they are taking advantage of their fans because they know these games are niche and the people that play them are far more likely to re buy than most other consumers. The double dip is intentional not some accident that they couldn't avoid.

[@PestulonGaming]

An upgrade or substantial discount for Nordics supporters should absolutely be a priority for Falcom.

[@cyxceven545]

Yeah. I fell for the Ys X fomo. This is a slap in the face to fans, and a disappointing move from Falcom. They immediately obsoleted the original physical version for no reason. Hope the upgrade only requires a patch or DLC.

[@PestulonGaming]

My prediction would be that Proud Nordics will be a separate retail listing. I don’t expect progress to carry over. If they can find a way to heavily discount Proud Nordics to Nordics owners, they absolutely should. But yeah, ideally it could just exist as DLC to build on your Nordics progress.

[@prin8724]

Personally I'm a bit behind on Ys so this doesn't affect me because I never bought the first version yet and I'll just skip it, but yeah this should have been DLC and it looks really bad.

[@syxtiwatt3857]

I waited years (since beating Ys IX) to play Ys X. I waited for the english release of Ys X for over a year! I dont regret my purchase, I had a blast with the game. This new version is coming out sometime next year, dont know when, in japan. That doesnt mean crap to me since i dont know japanese. Will i have to wait until 2026 to play the english version? In that case, I dont mind buying it again. I bought DQ11 like 3 times! Im not rich, but i do want to help push for more DQ and Ys in the west. What can i say? Im a dirty fanboy

[@Tのホームチャンネル]

って事は、今までのイース10は無印イース10で、新しいイース10は金のイース10って呼べば良いのか。

[@AbdullaFarea]

This version is obviously obvious is only a thing because Switch 2 and they want to cash in on the release of the system.

[@AndrewSnake]

so there pull a atlus ...but way faster

[@devantetoppin7879]

idk if you can call it the same thing because at least with stuff like Royal and vengeance there was a lot of content added and like mentioned in the video the game went multiplatform with the newer versions. Also the time gap was generally years from the original release so it made a lot more sense. This may not even add much it seems and is so close to the original release in the west. Sometimes the re release can make sense but it doesn't here at all.

[@BlazeGamerZX]

As much as I wanna agree with you unfortunately I think it's too late. Like we're getting this game a year after the fact. So at best we can hope they don't go this route anymore.

[@PestulonGaming]

My hope is that it’s not too late, and customer discourse will be so overwhelming that Falcom backtracks. That backtracking could simply be offering Proud Nordics for cheaper, or maybe building in a way to carry progress from Nordics. There are many ways to soften the blow.

[@franciscor390]

Japan tends to do this, meaning releasing an improved edition and as they are into the physical media they only sometimes do it as a dlc. Hopefully they make it downloadable for the western territory.

[@kalu1979]

Isso é horrível, eu vou acabar reclamando no X nos 3 exemplos, SMT5, Persona e agora o YS X. Eu que sou brasileiro ainda pago muito caro nos games, tão caro que só devo pegar Persona 5 de natal e ainda aplicar legenda externa PT-BR para aproveitar melhor a história do game. Bom que fez esse vídeo, vou avisar mais pessoas 🫡 desculpe escrever em português aqui 😬

[@PestulonGaming]

Obrigado pelas lutas!

[@OwtDaftUK]

It it comes out physically then it sounds like a good thing to me?

[@trapdoorfloyd]

If it comes out on switch 2 then I got no problem.

[@PestulonGaming]

I think developers and publishers use timed platform exclusivity as an excuse to do this. The customer base should discourage it.