FALLING TO PIECES - Angel 1x3+4 - Group Reaction

[@Thenormies]

FYI that Reaction for Ep 5+6 will be posted on 11/2 due to posting Agatha and maximing out 3 notifications a day. The Normies have a new website, as an alternative to Patreon!!! Check it out: thenormies.com

[@JoshuaMartian-go3tm]

Main show and spinoff crossovers were not new or groundbreaking in the 90s. They've been going on since much earlier. I remember watching reruns of Threes Company/The Ropers and my aunt getting excited over The Cosby/A different World crossover. (before the Cosby SA stuff)🤮

[@RLucas3000]

Corporate job like she had, private detective/bodyguard, at least $2000. Probably $3000 to $4000. Remember Angel has an office manager and assistant to pay. True Blood is awesome!

[@ocevneyes1815]

Angel and Cordy taken out of Sunnydale and Buffy's orbit changes them into such interesting and compelling characters, more than they already were.

[@user-fb6cw6cb2i]

the spike and angel scenes makes me excited for them to see what’s to come 😁

[@dbzfreak93]

“Should have had Oz for all these idle hands!?!?” Bruh someone finally referenced that movie

[@celticson]

I feel like Angel and Cordy were held back by having to be the love interest and foil to Buffy. They really got to shine in this show.

[@BenjamUniverse]

They werent held back, the writers and actors just did a really good job on angel developing the characters

[@Ren_Davis0531]

@@celticson I agree. They were allowed to spread their wings a lot more on Angel. They felt more restrained on Buffy as they had to stick to their narrative functions and weren’t given many opportunities beyond that. This show did wonders for their characters.

[@jadebel7006]

@BenjamUniverse they were referring to the characters when they were on buffy

[@user-dx2dm8oq8g]

They did evolve and keeping them would not make sense after everything that happened. They got them out at the right time. Buffy and Angel can't be together. Cordelia hated Sunnydale and was excited to leave so to keep her there would not make sense.

[@samuelmiddleton7876]

Fun fact: the guy who plays Ronald also plays D'Hoffryn ( Anya's vengeance demon boss). do with that what you will.

[@blueberryrazz8637]

The gem was too dangerous to be allowed to exist... vamps would just keep coming after him for it. Plus what if Angelus came back? Even if they hid the ring for only emergencies, vamps would never stop coming after it.

[@JoshuaMartian-go3tm]

Yeah and if I'm not mistaken, it only has the power to allow them in daylight right? Not invincibility. So Vampires can try to cut off his hand and demons could try during the day and he would be instantly klld.

[@talesyuki]

@@JoshuaMartian-go3tm Immortality, too. Remember Harmony survived being staked. If they kept the ring on could probably even regrow limbs. But yeah, if you cut the ring off... RIP

[@JMNightshade]

Love that Wolfram & Hart pops up in Age of Ultron during Thor’s vision.

[@jackdubz4247]

Wow, that's a blast from the past. I had genuinely forgotten about that one.

[@Ren_Davis0531]

Yep. One of my favorite references 😂

[@yayazow]

Yes !! Few people knows abour that 🙌

[@hominessapientes]

It's utterly meaningless though. Zero consequence. Just Whedon editing in a dick pick.

[@Nixenji]

Whaaaat?? I had no idea!

[@millbrook33]

Evil Spike's last adventure before being captured and chipped by the Initiative. Good times. It's nice that they could bring in characters from Buffy to help anchor the show a little in these early stages where they're still finding their feet.

[@gungho1284]

And that girl in the alley might have been his last victim. Which reminds me that all that time, about 100 years, that Angel had his soul and was living off of rats or hospital blood, Spike was out still killing humans.

[@notoriouslybratty]

It’s a Spike and Angel classic mess around 😁

[@BlackGirlMarvel]

Rana and Spidey are to always be seated next to each other. -Me

[@thompur]

Imagine if Angelus ever re-emerged with the ring!

[@RetroRobotRadio]

Plus he could not trust anyone else with the ring because he turned evil again he knows he would hunt them down to get the ring.

[@Sytrylt]

SOOO TERRIFYING ! Yeah, just that sentence makes his decisions worth it !

[@Khadharphak]

Yeah sure, Angel was _really_ going to keep the ring that removed all his weaknesses as a vampire and made him literally unkillable, that'd make for a real compelling show :p From an in-universe standpoint destroying the ring is obvious, any other vampire might come after him for it just like Spike did, and the chance it could fall into the hands of vamps like the one in this episode is too high a price.

[@summers1]

5:38 same story with the Frasier character from Cheers. Frasier was just supposed to be in one episode as a romance rival to the main character, an Ivy League elitist to contract with the salt of earth working man, but the fans loved the character and Grammar played him so well that despite the head writer hating him Frasier was in the rest of the series, got an 11 season Emmy award winning spin off show and recently a continuation of said show on paramount plus Power of a fan base

[@Ren_Davis0531]

@@summers1 Frasier was so good ☺️

[@CharlieBrown20XD6]

24:18 Rana doing her best impression of Anxiety from INSIDE OUT 2 lol "I look at myself everyday" *hugs knees*

[@superluigiac]

I mean, as easily as Angel was captured this episode, that can happen again if they know he has a ring, and someone can take it.

[@ThEmB0nEz]

Exactly, the ring would been gotten by Spike if Angel didn't hide it. The ring would just cause more danger to Angel & his friends & look how easy it was for Spike & torturer guy to lose the ring. The ring was better off being destroyed

[@patrickadams7120]

Imagine....just imagine if Angelus came back and had the ring.....thats why he destroyed it

[@pauldourlet]

Andy Umberger, the actor who plays our creepy villain In Falling to Pieces--- played D'Hoffryn(the head of the Vengeance Demons on Buffy)he was also on Firefly.

[@AnatoleVGC]

Yeeeei. Im so happy angel is coming to youtube now. Your buffy journey is so near the end and now we get anotber treat

[@mikedignum1868]

Daywalker Angel. This show just gets better with each season. That cop at 30:51 was also in a TV show called LIFE (2007-09) starring Damien Lewis.

[@jimmiegiboney2473]

3:12 Mark! Normies, howdy! 🤠 Hmm. The rooftops of the real Santa Barbara, CA appeared in "BTVS"! But if you pause often and early on during Season One whenever computer monitors screens appear, and office paperwork appears, you should be able to read the city name "Sunnyvale"! A real CA location. They couldn't yet afford to replace the "v" with a "d". So my guess is that "Sunnydale" is as close to or as far from Los Angeles as Sunnyvale is! 🤔

[@dudermcdudeface3674]

Sunnydale is largely based on Santa Barbara, so from there to LA would be a couple hours.

[@Karizi1]

I am so excited to finally have these versions of the reactions available! I'm not a fan of syncing.

[@nebulous8389]

Imagine if Angelus got to wear the ring. That would be insane

[@MrGala0apples]

Buffy’s got great monsters, but Angel’s definitely got some darker monsters, like pedo vampire, and rapey hands stalker

[@murasasme]

As long as the ring exists, people would be coming for it. Angel did the right thing destroying it, also you guys missed his point. The people that live in the daylight have their own protectors, Angel is the one that looks out for the ones that live in the night.

[@user-dx2dm8oq8g]

Yeah it would not make sense to keep the ring, it would become repetitive. Vampires already chased him down for the ring, we can't have that happen again and that's not what the show's about. And to have him keep the ring with no one coming after him would not make sense either. And I think Angel destroyed it mainly so that Angelus could never have it.

[@ThEmB0nEz]

Look how easy it was to capture Angel this episode, The ring doesn't give you extra strength it just prevents you from dying when it's on you, Angel was smart to hide the ring because Spike would've had it easily.. Also look how easy Doyle found it by smelling it, Angeln would basically have to wear it all the time & sleep with 1 eye open.

[@shawnskelton4736]

I love listening to theories you guys come UP with, its insane, and hilarious!

[@jp3813]

2:32 Crossovers? Plenty of shows back then did it, including Xena & Hercules.

[@rikkiwear853]

Go back to the 70s with Six Million Dollar Man and Bionic Woman.

[@jp3813]

@@rikkiwear853 Yeah, but they won't know those shows. They actually reacted to an episode of Xena.

[@TheLiamster]

Charisma Carpenter is my celebrity crush, I love her so much

[@faureamour]

I'm so glad these are on KZbin now. I love this crew watching Angel. Even the eps I don't really care for are fun.

[@squirrelbuddi]

I never got into buffy. I was Angel and Charmed, especially in middle school. I crushed on angel hard.....i liked charmed because of the social drama and angel was more about personal drama.

[@bearinokc1047]

It makes so much sense that angel understand how to talk to a crazy stalker

[@tsogobauggi8721]

24:15 Rana is making a joke there and none of the guys gets it... :)

[@snowden421]

Man I can’t wait until y’all react to “I will remember you” might even see some tears!

[@Buffy8Fan]

The creators didn't know if this show would last (back then a show's seasons were longer and production was only four or five episodes in front of airing episodes) so they crossed over to make sure characters were still conected enough that if the show failed, actors would still have a job on BtVS. 1x03 A little disappointed Spike's making fun of Buffy intro wasn't shown. It's my favorite part of the episode. Its weird to hear The Normies see and talk about Spike like this when S7 is currently up and running on KZbin. The Normies are saying everything that is always said by everyone when Angel says and does what he does to the ring. But it works (whether you agree with Angel or not) just by Doyle saying Angel broods too much (not the exact quote he says, obviously). 1x04 Doyle's visions would be supernatural in origon (Angel even states this to Cordelia when she doesn't initially think supernatural), so while the eye camera's a clever writing idea, it wouldn't be viable to the in-universe plot. OJ Simpson's trial was only three years over at the airing of this episode. It was still big news and used in pop culture regularly. Loved the _Idol Hands_ reference joke.

[@WDFilms25]

So these episodes were filmed while they were watching buffy s4, but because of demand or whatever dumb reason they finally have an editor. So basically, up to S4 of Angel is available on their website, but now we’re getting the edits. My wish is that they would flood our stream with episodes just cause buffy is almost over and allow us to have this Angel content

[@Buffy8Fan]

@@WDFilms25 I know when they filmed them. Doesn't mean it's not weird considering what I know they think about certain things in BtVS S7.

[@ernesthakey3396]

Number 1 reason Angel destroyed the Ring of Amara: he's afraid that if he lost his soul and became Angelus again, Angelus would be unstoppable.

[@K.R.M.11]

As much as I loved Buffy, "Angel" ended up being my fave of the two. I'm rematching after years, so some things I don't remember.

[@kymsat.h.o.t1758]

i loveeeee True Blood 🩸 and the intro theme song is amazing. i used to dance to it 😅❤

[@jaimebergner]

Rubs hands in glee. I loved Spike on this show. There were certain episodes oh, I laughed so hard at both him and our hero.

[@superluigiac]

25:09 Best part of the whole reaction

[@richardd.2988]

Look at how easily Buffy got that ring off of Spike. THEN , maybe a bit more difficult, Angel, in his weakened state got it off of the torturer. Just how safe is that ring?

[@ThEmB0nEz]

Angel this episode got captured by 2 vampires the ring would've been stolen easily if he kept it, . The ring is too easy to lose & too much a hassle to keep.

[@eberwald4438]

The legend of Frankie Tripod lives...

[@robertfoust7179]

Y'all are watching Angel!!! Fooking bet!

[@hkaayaakuu]

I was watching butchers block and it was set in garett indiana

[@leah6849]

He cant keep it. He doesnt think he's earned it and done his time for all the bad in his past. Also, imagine for whatever reason he ends up as Angelus again and has the ring in his possession. All sorts of hell would be unleashed.

[@ganjamcninja]

POPEYE WAS IN THE WHEDONVERSE?!?! (Carlos Carrasco from Blood In Blood Out)

[@BrienBellJTS]

“She looks like Dawn” 🫵🫡 Oh man, if only Chris knew at the time… 😅

[@DanielGonzalez-vo5ni]

Ok its been years and I've forgotten most of this show apparently I was just thinking to myself if Oz ever showed up in Angel and here he is in S1 nice

[@evanalmond1]

OMG YOUVE just started Angel?! I’m so excited for you guys to get into this. It’s just as good as Buffy.

[@billverno6170]

There is another show that ripped off Buffy/Angel: The Vampire Diaries. The whole first season was spent trying to get moonstone rings so vamps could go out in the sun. By the 3rd season it seemed like whenever a person became a vampire, a ring magically appeared on their finger. The overall effect of this was that the vampires didn’t seem much like vampires anymore.

[@JoshuaMartian-go3tm]

The Vampire Diaries novels predate Joss Whedon's Buffy show & books I believe. They were written in the early 90s

[@Ren_Davis0531]

@@JoshuaMartian-go3tm ‘Tis true. However, the show is written nothing like the books from what I remember of them.

[@RV-vx9ek]

​@JoshuaMartian-go3tm Novels and television shows, including their adaptations are a different beast. Whedon conceptualised Buffy likely in 90/91, maybe even before that, which led to the 92 film, he then further refined that idea for the next 4 years or so until we got the show in 97. Whedon revolutionised serial/genre television with Buffy, it's a blueprint for a lot of shows in the last 20 years, and that very much includes TVD, and other shows that are adapted

[@JoshuaMartian-go3tm]

@@RV-vx9ek Sorry, I don't give a shhh, right now. My Dodgers just made it to the WS. 😜

[@RV-vx9ek]

@JoshuaMartian-go3tm no stress man, just providing extra information.

[@JuneJaneb4]

I played this video just to watch 5 minutes of Spike and his awesome monologue on the roof. 😜

[@notoriouslybratty]

It is amazing

[@JuneJaneb4]

​@@notoriouslybratty and they cut half of it, f!ckers, thanks a lot! 😄

[@JuneJaneb4]

​@@notoriouslybratty and they cut half of it, f!!kers, thanks a lot, lol! 😄

[@JuneJaneb4]

@@notoriouslybratty and they cut half of it, f!!kers, thanks a lot 😄

[@JuneJaneb4]

@@notoriouslybratty and they cut half of it, mother__! thanks a lot! 😄

[@bigkahuna7581]

Do you guys not know what checks are? Lol😂

[@JAYWALKER1000]

And there's the OJ reference in Shrek 2

[@nac.mac.feegle]

We use our whole brain. Also left-brain/right-brain division is bogus.

[@anothervagabond]

We actually do know what would happen if you tried to use too much of your brain at the same time: a seizure. I imagine 100% would be a pretty fucking rough one, too.

[@Wannabe_Baby]

I'm a little disappointed that Pat mentioned the stalker being able to detach his you-know-what but then we didn't see a reaction to Doyle saying exactly that a few minutes later.

[@Idanuboy]

Is this not a weekly upload? It's been 10 days.

[@CaesiusX]

39:12 Times are a-changin. Seems we've crossed the generational Rubicon. _Mickey¹_ couldn't identify a standard check when he saw one. ¹ and _Suraj?_

[@richardwilliams5387]

I hope you stick with it. The early episodes are always tricky, it's about finding a groove. These first ones no way resemble what the show becomes.

[@hkaayaakuu]

They uploaded episode 9,10 . So im back

[@hinduhillbilly]

I know it hurts but Angel did the right thing by destroying the ring. The last thing the world needed was an invulnerable Angelus.

[@DaveH82]

27:43 What happened to her?

[@ThEmB0nEz]

Love Pat saying destroying the ring was stupid right after saying give Spike the ring LMAO. Spike is evil why would Angel give Spike the ring? The ring would just be a hassle because every demon would come after Angel & that would put him & his friends in danger all the time, also look how easy it was to capture Angel this episode the ring would've been stolen quick, the ring just makes him not die it doesn't give him strength, it was good Angel hid the ring because if he didn't Spike would've got it easily.

[@hkaayaakuu]

Is micky still with normies?

[@wendywoodruff2871]

Give him a wedgie! 😂

[@killianlpc]

The Gem of Amara Ring is from BTVS S4 episode. This is why it really make sense to watch both shows in the correct watch order as they are both linked with crossover plots, characters and storylines. Many felt it was wrong of Angel to destroy the ring, but of course it could have fallen into evil hands again. Some great little comedy moments again, especially with Doyle and Cordelia. Great to see Spike back again as he is a pivotal character in The Buffyverse. Angel is a much darker show, but its very best episodes match anything from BTVS. Here it is interesting seeing Spike chasing The Gem of Amara, as Buffy wants Angel to have it to make him invincible. Angel even though he has tasted 'daylight' knows that the ring could fall into the wrong hands again and so must destroy it, again making him possibly the most tragic character in The Buffyverse. Great to see Oz crossover as well as Spike, and the wonderfully awkward meeting again of Oz and Cordelia.

[@TheZeroAssassin]

Glad someone gets it

[@DaveH82]

25:16 Gaara!

[@jackdubz4247]

He's not using the ring. Get over it.

[@jimmiegiboney2473]

9:22 Mark! Whenever someone like Spike says "On God's green Earth" I have to wonder which deity he means. One might think that evidence of Heaven, Hell, and Lords Jehovah and Jesus Christ, would deter misbehaving. 😞 🤔

[@trufamilybromontqc]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@stithydromeXX]

Vampire diaries mentioned

[@hkaayaakuu]

More Angel Yaes

[@Kastle9498]

I think you guys should've watched angel while as you watch buffy

[@kylewilzon8612]

damn this must be so old. atleast 4 month.

[@Ren_Davis0531]

@@kylewilzon8612 It’s almost two years old. They started in early 2023.

[@kylewilzon8612]

@@Ren_Davis0531 wow

[@Cerberus8295]

@Thenormies If you like the Buffyverse you should consider reacting to supernatural

[@killianlpc]

Again Angel as a show this time looks at stalking and obsession in I Fall To Pieces. An interesting take on it here to the extreme with the evil Doctor trying to use coercive control to feed his obsession by detaching his body parts. Cordelia trying to get Angel to start charging clients adds some comic relief, with the first cheque at the end being gleefully accepted by Cordelia and Doyle. Another great bit of writing with social comment on a very serious issue that affects a lot of people. Interestingly enough the evil Doctor here is the same actor that played D'Hoffryn in BTVS who we first saw in Dopplegangland S3 of BTVS, he often appeared in the show. This is very much in the style of an X-Files episode like Squeeze, where Tooms was able to manipulate his body in all sorts of contortions. A lot of reactors who begin to watch Angel just says it's not as good as BTVS, but I think Angel is a brilliant show in its own right.

[@Ren_Davis0531]

I’ve only seen bits and pieces of X-Files, but even I’ve heard of Eugene Victor Tooms 😂 And I agree. Angel is a brilliant show in its own right. I actually prefer it to Buffy.

[@AP-ib5pw]

Rana always our cute socks girl❤

[@TheLiamster]

No she’s mine

[@DaveH82]

Reminds me of the sex positions people.

[@bigtoken90]

i hate when they talk about the early 00s like it was hundreds of years ago lol crossovers have been happening in tv since tv most early sitcoms started as crossovers to even earlier sitcoms

[@obredaanps3]

Crossovers were very popular, but Buffy and Angel had episodes that were linked, you had to watch both shows to get the full story. I don't recall any shows doing that prior to the Angel/Buffy crossovers but I could be wrong.

[@NewToCool74]

This was more than a crossover though so its understandable, the episode stories where linked in some cases and the only other show that i can think that did something similar was xena and hercules.

[@JoshuaMartian-go3tm]

@@obredaanps3 Three's Company/The Ropers. The Cosby Show/A Different World. Dynasty/The Colbys. Roseann/The Jackie Thomas Show, Little House on the Prairie/Father Murphy. Different Strokes/Facts of Life. etc. Just to name a few. Crossovers are not new and Crossovers from main show to spinoff are not new. It's a way to introduce and support the new show, to get ppl to watch it. Buffy/Angel crossover nothing really groundbreaking.

[@JoshuaMartian-go3tm]

@@NewToCool74 Correction: Boston Legal/The Practice where they shared a case. Alley McBeal & The Practice did do a crossover, but they are not spinoffs of each other. Again, ppl who think Buffy/Angel crossover was a new thing, are most likely Millennials and Gen Xrs. It's not a new trope.

[@rikkiwear853]

​@@obredaanps3 Six Million Dollar Man and the Bionic Woman had two and three part crossovers in the 70s, starting on one show and ending on the other.

[@hkaayaakuu]

Whedon is god😮

[@ParadiseEditsCØ]

When will the poll for the replacement for buffy close? So we can find out the next series your gonna be reacting too

[@arc7375]

Replacement for Buffy? True Blood.

[@ParadiseEditsCØ]

@@arc7375 nah i want to see tvd

[@kouhaishiro]

off topic, but are you guys not reacting to ‘agatha all along’???? it’s so good 😭😭😭

[@Ren_Davis0531]

They are. They’re on Patreon right now.

[@RonnieBlitz-yo1pl]

Why yall keep calling him pedophile? Spike said he just like to kill kids, just like pennywise and Freddy Kruger 😅

[@ThEmB0nEz]

Spike also after he said "likes to eat" said "& other nasty things." I mean....

[@RonnieBlitz-yo1pl]

@ThEmB0nEz what other nasty things? Torturing like angel? That could mean anything, yall just filling in the blanks

[@ThEmB0nEz]

@@RonnieBlitz-yo1pl He said other nasty things to CHildren listen

[@vc12k]

Hey normies ik yall finished attack on titan about a year ago but I never seen a reaction of the final FINAL ending by ai higuchi- see you later if you could react (you prolly won’t see this comment) to the ending i think it’d be great !

[@DanielGonzalez-vo5ni]

I swear I remember watching this show on DVD did I skip this episode I swear I don't remember Spike showing up on Angel what a hater though

[@charmedoriginal5923]

Normies, "The Vampire Diaries" as well as it's spin-off "The Originals" are both fire. I'd love for you guys to react to either The Vampire Diaries ( and The Originals when it's time ) or Charmed once you finish Buffy in the coming months.

[@jackdubz4247]

Both of those shows are CW garbage.

[@Ren_Davis0531]

Rana would love a Charmed reaction series 😁

[@hkaayaakuu]

Charisma carpenter ruined the dceu for all the snyder fans and so did ray fisher

[@Wash869]

React to the film: ALIEN: ROMULUS (2024), the best film in the franchise in years! It's worth checking out.

[@Hoenhime344]

thank god!! i love this show

[@k3nneth.coleee]

Chop chop cobra Kai

[@12chapin]

Crossover

[@k3nneth.coleee]

Chop chop cobra Kai yall slacking fr