Fallout 4 is Still Broken

[@JuiceHead3]

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[@TracerX]

No, I don't think I will.

[@darthmadara7984]

sept 16! Not much time left. Looks nice though

[@frankynakamoto2308]

Have you tried on the Xbox series x lowering the tv settings to 1440p that could possible bring down the internal resolution and possible help.

[@darrenmitchell5306]

The stuttering also happens when followers spawn in and out of some hatches and doors. I'm on xbox one and I had heaps of issues without even being able to access mods. Character creation, switch between characters major stutter. Loading screens, major stutters. Invisible pip boy in vault. I can go on and on and all that was on a NG update and CC content, NO mods fo 3 days.

[@technovorg]

I actually experiance stuttering and frame drops and freezing/crashing with the official HD Texture pack NO mods only cc content to make sure it was not a mod (fresh install too)

[@xathlak]

Stutters are one of those things that will make me not enjoy a game, no matter how good it is.

[@Aggravated_brain9344]

Agreed, I usually have a high tolerance for stutters but fo4 tests me.

[@uscmhudson5504]

Maybe that's what they mean by Next Gen. They really do push the technology so you may need to upgrade. LOL!

[@GnightOwl]

Thas illegal

[@EthNet34756]

Worst than low frame rates imo

[@Lunatic5306]

You guys don’t get it. It’s a feature!

[@POETICDRINK2U]

I'm starting to think Bethesda broke Fallout 4 on purpose to push fans to play Fallout 76 and Starfield

[@joaquimb4052]

It has to be this. Otherwise I can't believe they could be THIS incompetent.

[@ryankuhn8590]

​@@joaquimb4052truth

[@Av1]

​@@joaquimb4052​ this would be a logical business strategy from a bethesda perspective, and they seem to be lacking in the logic and competency department. whether they are that incompetent or that scummy for getting players on starfield i couldnt say

[@mrpiratefox4497]

Cuz everything has to be a conspiracy theory, right??

[@jetpilledmyron2056]

"You, player: go buy space skyrim"

[@mtssman]

Almost 10 years FO4 is still full of bugs. We should all be thankful Bugthesda is a game maker instead of producing car engine, surgical equipment, or household appliances.

[@realpendejo5041]

I liked this one you make more than a good point haha

[@anotherranger2924]

they would definitely make sharp spoons and knives without blades

[@chrisotoole82]

Skyrim shield slow time skill was never fixed either. You become stuck in slowmo forever and they never fixed it despite it being integral to shield play. What a joke

[@krisgaming-b4n]

Actually bethesda just makes game engine (and one of the worst of course) since all the real life of their games is in the mod community. No one cares about the history wich is lineal, forces end path and can just not be there and one notice, real thing is how the mechanics works and how the mods enhance that experience (even the bugfixes and history fixes).

[@garybates1395]

👍🤣🤣🤣

[@BreakerXXIV]

This has to be illegal. Forcefully making a product we already purchased noticeably worse than when we had purchased it originally.

[@changvasejarik62]

Bring it up with Ross Scott.

[@edmartin875]

Yeah. These days we "buy" a game and only get access to it. We don't really own it.

[@cb3391]

I keep hoping some attorney starts a class action lawsuit ,I'm in

[@hhjk377]

It’s so wild that the owners/makers of the Creation Engine are the absolute worst at using and fixing the Creation Engine. Like you could set a dog at a computer and sprinkle some cheese on the keyboard and it would churn out better, cleaner code while it vacuumed up the cheese.

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

They don't want to fix their game cause they need to do random bug fixes to hide their creation club updates

[@n.stephan9848]

What an absurd comparison, thanks for the laugh.

[@totalba7997]

😂😂😂

[@changvasejarik62]

Isn’t that the plot of silent hill 2’s good ending?

[@zackposey592]

As soon as I lost all my progress. More so, the painstaking process of getting all the mods I had downloaded correctly. I had a feeling Bethesda broke it on purpose. There was no reason to update the game

[@edwhatshisname3562]

@@jodargoofmaztica5071 That was my thought as well. Even though it sounds crazy, that's how it looks, at least. I mean, the mod got covered in the news, that never happens.

[@twogruden9943]

Because you're not playing FO76, that's why. They haven't been in a hurry to release ES6 because of ESO. Follow the money. No, I don't know for a fact, but I can't think of another reason BGS break their game and don't bother to fix it. I suppose there's always incompetence or pure carelessness.

[@pieck5460]

The game needed to be updated the playstation version was plagued by the 0kb error which is worse than any of the bugs you guys are complaining about since it would literally corrupt your save file and make it unplayable. Not defending Bethesda but they have no reason to accommodate or please a modding community that already hates them idk why you guys haven't figured it out by now it's been like this for well over a decade

[@jackman0812]

same exact thing happened to Skyrim AE like a month or two prior to it, broke all my mods there made me quit the game

[@zackposey592]

@jackman0812 I feel you. I haven't gone back. Probably never will

[@IrascibleArdent]

Bethesda went from producing my favorite games to not even tolerable. Finance bros ruin everything.

[@syntaxusdogmata3333]

Well said, on all counts.

[@XSilver_WaterX]

How they exist right now is both a mystery and a paradox. Why hasn't the universe exploded right now?!

[@IrascibleArdent]

@@XSilver_WaterX They're owned by Microsoft so they're currently in the phase of vulture investment where they'll milk the company dry, pick all the profit from its carcass, and then announce they're closing the studio and moving personnel and probably cutting benefits.

[@maxsparza6944]

I feel like Bethesda uploading paid mods for Starfield instead of updating the game little by little or at least at all speaks volumes of their corporate greed and incompetence, been very disappointed in them recently

[@zachrohler1047]

Why would they actually put in work when they can just have modders do all the work and slap their "creation club" sticker on it for money?

[@L4Disillusion]

Bethesda has been pure scum since the creation club was announced. They literally did the very same thing with Skyrim. Ruined the game to put out a "new version" that wad worse than the original version so they could peddle microtransactions. They don't give a fuq. They could care less they just want your money.

[@chadharger9323]

What blows my mind is that the devs for Hi-Fi Rush get fired while Todd, Emil, etc get to keep their jobs.

[@zachrohler1047]

@@JAMOfficiial it would be if we directly paid the mod creators and not buying Bethesda premium currency that the modders get a portion of. But then again this isnt about modders getting paid, it's how Bethesda still makes money off other peoples work.

[@smithynoir9980]

@@JAMOfficiial Nexus does that already via the donation button. Many mod makers also include links to BuyACoffee and Patreon. Nobody was ever forcing them to upload their work for free. Is it not a bad thing that Bethesda's paid for mod market is paying people that steal mod makers creations directly from Nexus? The mod makers whose mods get taken and re-uploaded for sale don't see a cent of it. Stop making excuses for a corporations attempt to inset themselves into a deal that benefits modders and gamers just fine.

[@Gat720Dua]

And just a reminder they also broke Fallout 3 for PC and haven't fixed that as well. Thank goodness New Vegas somehow avoided that fate.

[@leannabowers7534]

New biggest was made by oblivion which is probably why it avoided the same fate.

[@crookedteeth1576]

No, New Vegas is thoroughly broken too. Thoroughly broken, can’t fix it no matter what I install.

[@falloutglasster7807]

Yet

[@TiomesTheOne]

​@@crookedteeth1576 nah. It's Fallout 3 that won't launch even following 100+ guides on the internet New Vegas runs and launches fine, if you don't install mods

[@garbagepailkid]

@@TiomesTheOne You shouldn't be playing Fallout 3 outside of TTW anyways.

[@MasterSkyrim1000]

I'm so sad things have gotten to this point. No single player game from one of their flagship titles since 2015. Breaking said game and doing nothing about it. Starfield being an outdated, boring mess. Allowing lazy monetization of mods. How am I supposed to have any faith that the Elder Scrolls 6 is going to be any good when this is the current state of Bethesda? We, as fans of these franchises, can't accept this. They can't keep making excuses.

[@jasonmcallen8954]

Elder Scrolls 6 is destined to fail. Bugthesda is no longer for player enjoyment, they're in full support of putting in COD levels of greedy microtransactions. We can thank all the mouth breathers and content creators for buying the first batch of Creation Club microtransactions and ruining Skyrim, Fallout 4, and Starfield even further. I'm definitely not going to play Elder Scrolls 6 after the way Bugthesda has been handling these games. They can shove it.

[@Heowolf]

@@jasonmcallen8954 If Starfield is a preview of what is to come, I 100% agree with you. That game is 95% recycled content with a new label - Almost every ability you unlock is a shout in Skyrim, and the perks are just bland FO perks.

[@1FIVE1GAMING]

@@MasterSkyrim1000 I wonder if they do it so modders have something to work on? 🤔🤷🏻‍♀️

[@1FIVE1GAMING]

@@jasonmcallen8954 they r no different than any other corporation. It’s all about the $$

[@Skull.man00]

Tbh it surprises me how there is no major pushback directed at Bethesda. Like, people are talking about it, but nothing is happening to force Bethesda to fix this issue

[@thefactory7221]

People have collectively decided that the studio is only mostly competent about half of the time.

[@thatgingerdude8666]

what can anyone or anything do to make bethesda do anything? if this much bad press wont force their hand what would? wdym theres no major pushback also like huh majority of the playerbase is pissed off rn

[@pieck5460]

It's a lose lose situation for Bethesda if they fix the bugs with an update people will complain about the update breaking mods if they don't fix the bugs with the update people will complain about them ignoring the issue pick you poison and stick with it, front what I can tell they will fix the bugs and sacrifice the mods again because they are already aware that the modding community hates them so they have no incentive to accommodate or please them

[@jeremiahjohnson2784]

Not buying Bethesda products maybe? You know, voting with wallets? Perhaps?

[@rzwitdauncut]

​@@pieck5460 they should have never touched anything but Boston. Thats literally all I cared about. Who told them to touch anything else?

[@LizzBowlen]

This is certainly not what I'd expect from a AAA game studio that took 2 calendar months to patch AIMING DOWN SCOPES into the VR version after the game's release...oh wait it is.

[@norandomstuff]

This is why i dont consider bethesda as an AAA studio in the first place.

[@Preston241]

@@norandomstuff100%. I think we can collectively take one of their A’s away at this point.

[@supermegawaffle]

​@@Preston241downgrad them to scummy indie category

[@harrydbastard]

It feels like they're trying to actively antagonize their players at this stage. The people in charge have no idea what they're doing in any other business besides Disney you'd be fired.

[@williamyoung9401]

It is all part of Todd's plan. Destroy any chance for we gamers to play Fallout London and make the game so unplayable that we're forced to play Fallout 76 and pine for Fallout 5. "16 Times the Detail...it just works..." - Immortal words of Todd Howard

[@Kragith]

"at this stage" Either you're 15 or have been in a coma for 20 years dude!

[@_Major00Donut_]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@harrydbastard Reread what he wrote. He’s not arguing with you.

[@Abakato]

​@@Kragithwat?

[@wyattwaffles0]

Still broken as of November 30th 2024.

[@STEELwanderer]

Interesting how Bethesda did this right when new players started coming to fo4 because of the new TV series. Now new players bought a 9 year old game that has more issues now than ever before. Bethesda is already getting a bad a name for not caring about what their player base thinks. They need to fix this...soon.

[@All-Fur-Coat_No-Trousers]

"Play vanilla Fallout 4 with no mods installed". No chance.

[@jeremiahjohnson2784]

Last time I did that, I made it 30 minutes before a ctd. Didn't even get from vault 111 to sanctuary

[@TheGlowingOnee]

To be honest I’m only playing vanilla for the trophies

[@EA_SP0RTCENTER]

i feel genuine pity for anyone who's convinced themselves that playing vanilla fo4 is fun.

[@vishnuviswanathan4763]

@@EA_SP0RTCENTER most of them are coping because they are on console.

[@soundred1254]

@@vishnuviswanathan4763that’s right. I’m saving up for a gaming PC

[@JR-kx3jr]

Nice to be a PC player and actually have access to community fixes when the developer breaks their own game.

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

Blame the current laws, breaking your product or making it worse should entitle you to a refund with inflation included

[@Darthtanos]

@@MGrey-qb5xz you do not now, nor have you ever, owned a piece of software. you own a license that gives you access to the product in whatever state it is when you purchase the license, and whatever changes the dev decides to make to it... because they're the ones that actually own the product. that's how the system has been setup forever. i'm getting so tired of people talking about how they own a game, or own a piece of software, or a movie, or a record. you own nothing in media, never have, likely never will. now if you have a physical copy of it you can sell said copy, but you can't legally reproduce it because, guess what, it's a single license to make use of that physical version. people's misunderstanding of the whole thing is just ridiculous. media isn't an appliance, ergo the rules are different. is that how it should be? probably not, in some regards (being able to break things for no reason with no repercussions comes to mind). but people not being able to legally make copies of things to sell? that is a thing that shouldn't be, you did nothing to earn any money off of it, so you shouldn't get to reap any rewards from it... which is the main reason for licensing.

[@Iffy350]

The best thing you can do is not buy any future Bethesda game or pirate it! If the developers and publishers take the customers for granted then they don’t deserve your money.

[@Darthtanos]

@@Iffy350 that doesn't solve the problem, as it's industry wide and extends way, way beyond just games.that's basically every company in the gaming industry aside fro larian, remedy, and fromsoft in the big games space. if everyone did that, there wouldn't be any games at all.

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

@@Iffy350 you can't even pirate video games cause the pirate community shut down their heavy hitter denouv cracker, Empress cause mah feelings ( i'm pretty sure actual pirates don't care, it's mostly hired social media teams)

[@TheAtomicTexan]

Never buying another Bethesda game again. I can't trust them anymore. they are not the same company I fell in love with.

[@SamHell-wr8bi]

Same. Never again.

[@Homiloko2]

Chances are, the people who made Oblivion, Skyrim, FO3 and FO4 are long gone from the company. Only a few top execs like Todd remained.

[@redemptionjack4657]

Over react much jsut one of their games you will play the next Elder scrolls.

[@redemptionjack4657]

​@Homiloko2 Uh no what you said is comoeltly wrong many arenover reacting it is fine on Xbox PC just uses script extender that lag he said about console is load lag.

[@Homiloko2]

@@redemptionjack4657 People like you keep saying that but Starfield literally sold a fraction of Fallout 4.. They haven't launched anything good in a decade.

[@Deltasoldier89]

I'm a fairly experienced modder and I'm completely disgusted by what Bethesda did. They used to be the bastion for the modding community. They have Completely DESTROYED any goodwill I had for them.

[@jessegrinstead]

Once again, thank you for leaning your weight into this issue. It blows my mind that Bethesda even deployed this update. It seems to me that basic testing protocols would have revealed that a huge problem was afoot, but they just rammed it through and ran away from the mess that followed. Simply wild, inexcusable behavior from a major game studio.

[@zondrabarth4508]

Bethesda just doesn't want to care about Fallout 4 anymore, that's my take away. They'd rather pour all their energy into 76 and Starfield paid mods. It's like they're forcing players to move on from their best selling game of all time, thinking it has run its course. That's just not true. Fallout 4 can be playable forever if they just take the time to help us fix what they broke.

[@uncledoctor6920]

I don't know, were that true, they wouldn't have patched it for no reason and ended up breaking it.

[@zondrabarth4508]

@@uncledoctor6920 Could've broke it on purpose. But seriously, I wish they'd give Fallout 4 some breathing room now that it's nearly 9 years old.

[@Homiloko2]

@@uncledoctor6920 They probably broke it to force players to buy 76 and starfield instead of staying on FO4 indefinitely

[@tkenben]

"Fallout 4 can be playable forever..." There is no income from games that have indefinite playability from no new sales and yet still require bug fixes.

[@Homiloko2]

@@tkenben Brother, there was an influx of 150.000 players when the Fallout TV show came out 6 months ago, and that number is just from Steam.. probably more on consoles.. And all they did was release a broken patch that created more bugs than it fixed. The game was fine as it was.

[@zacharyfinch1230]

Bethesda’s fall from grace is actually insane

[@AxWarhawk]

343: "Your first time?"

[@Andrewbaysura1]

​@@AxWarhawkhalo is at least playable, and there's actually mods allowed, I have more respect for 343 than to Bethesda...

[@philpresentsphilms]

It has always been like this

[@SamHell-wr8bi]

I'll never buy another bethesda game again.

[@Heyithinkhejust]

They were never really any good to begin with… the advancement of technology exposed every single one of their flaws. Can’t hide behind shitty graphics and old tech anymore

[@Bopig]

Oh so that's why some of the NPC faces seem to have two colors now, I thought it was some low quality mod I had or something, turns out it was an official Bethesda update. wow.

[@Sapsche]

Diamond City seems like a multicolored wasteland circus every second time I walk through the gates :)

[@assassinzakral7023]

It's been a thing for YEARS, had this issue come up alot. Best fix is just a quick console restart and it fixes it.

[@Bopig]

@@assassinzakral7023 I am not some peasant console user I am on PC and restarting the game does not remove a bug added by an incompetent patch.

[@assassinzakral7023]

@Bopig So....what you're saying is your rig sucks?

[@Heowolf]

@@Bopig buffout + xcell combined fixed all that for me. Would look into a compatibility mod too if you aren't used to setting them up, look for one that lets xcell take over some of buffout's features. Or just downgrade to .163 and everything works fine lol

[@olegloshkin6099]

Game programmer here. I obviously don't have insider knowledge on the matter but I'm willing to bet that the stuttering is caused by bugthesda trying to "optimize" the game: in older days of game development you'd usually load up as much data like textures and meshes ahead of time (hence the long loading times) but as the size of these assets increased, high definition games now instead rarely load all of the assets at the same time, instead streaming them from disk (that paradigm is what's making Unreal 5's nanite meshes possible). The downside of that is that instead of the bottleneck being the raw amount of memory you can have, the bottleneck becomes the transfer speeds between your permanent storage and the GPU, which unlike for just the size of RAM and VRAM is much more difficult to predict. On my end, I barely ever had any issues with the next gen update, yet you can clearly see stuff like this on other people's PC's, so it's hardware dependent. So what I'm willing to bet has happened was that bugthesda changed the way assets are managed at the engine level to be more in line with modern practices and didn't bother playtesting the game, as usual. It all comes back to the good ol' saying: if it ain't broke, don't fix it, especially when there's modding involved...

[@jkahgdkjhafgsd]

The game already had a tiny microstutter when loading cells no matter how powerful and modern your hardware is. I wonder if it was just turned to 11, though every 10 seconds seems way more frequent than I remember.

[@1FIVE1GAMING]

Now that makes sense!

[@cb3391]

I hope a hungry attorney is out there ready to start a class action lawsuit against bethesda,todd, and ms. Intentionally wrecking Fo4 has got to violate some law.

[@gavinsimmonds6150]

I think I will never downgrade to the next gen update. I play in 4k with 120 fps in Central Boston.

[@RayanCrayon]

You’re capping, my 4080 isn’t letting me do that

[@MiSambra]

I'm with you there. I play the GOG version.

[@firecatcher91]

Wisest decision of my life of not downloading the update on my console! Like it's the most stable game I've ever had so far if I don't include a few performance drops here and there,I have enough of good mods that doesn't crash my game. I wanted to see the what kind of shitshow it brings and man I did right to trust my gut.

[@jamesmarx1698]

So using a downgrader to before next gen works? Are you also playing with mods?

[@gavinsimmonds6150]

@jamesmarx1698 I never went to the next gen and I have lots of mods. A few help with performance and stability.

[@awkwardGardener]

The funny thing to me about the stutter is that it's almost the exact same style of stutter WARS caused on release, where it started off light but got WAY worse over time. But unlike Bethesda, Antistar actually listened to feedback and fixed the WARS stutter.

[@concreteetch]

Anistar is awesome, we need him in charge

[@johnsmith2837]

Bethesda: its okay the modders will do our work for us.

[@02091992able]

Jan 2025 and the game is playable but yet will have either a full game freeze or a crash to desktop after about anywhere from 30 minutes of gameplay to an hour and a half of gameplay. No error is generated and there is no warning to the game doing this.

[@cb3391]

Juice please update this I would like to know if anything has been fixed

[@FantasticMrGhost]

Nothing has been fixed and the F4SE isn't the problem with the stuttering. I was running the "Next-Gen" update without the extender and the game still stutters. Don't hold your breath on any fixes and just downgrade.

[@cb3391]

There are other " content creators " show fixed fo4, but it's fake I tried everything Fo4 on xbox is a sad,pale version of it's self. If you ever find anything let me know. Dump it the mem cache doesn't fix it.

[@AngryitNerd]

they prob dont want you to play it.. they want you to play 76..

[@Mutant_Mods]

This is actually a business tactic in the gaming industry that most people think is the stuff on conspiracy theories, but trust me it's not. Many gaming corporations do this. As in break stuff in the game on purpose for a specific reason that would make them more money.

[@alexanderlawrence6895]

76 is having problems too characters getting wiped from exiting power armor happened to me

[@JettVideogamesAccount]

Why can't Bethesda just...make Fallout 76 worth playing instead of all this?...

[@mrpiratefox4497]

​@@Mutant_Modsno, it IS a conspiracy theory. You are simply wrong, like all people who believe stuff like this from every game that exists

[@spooky-scarecrow]

@@mrpiratefox4497 Yeah no.

[@HUNK_FS]

Bethesda really killed their game just to try to stop Fallout London from working lol.

[@memnarch129]

Its more they tried to ride the hype from the Fallout TV series and they massively botched the job.

[@it2spooky4me79]

Not really, like the person said above me, it was more of trying to push out a quick update to follow the massive success of tbe TV show. (going to add this too, they absolutely butchered this update, they must've had no testers or something, because Next-Gen update was unnecessary and unacceptable)

[@thewinterbeard5455]

Weirdly that seems to be exactly what happened. Also isn't it strange that the main "new content" concerns Enclave Remnants at a time when there is an excellent mod bringing the Enclave into the Commonwealth. It's like Bethesda would prefer it if people stopped playing Fallout 4. This saddens me. I love Fallout 4.

[@TownBiness97]

All they had to do to kill Fallout London is tell the modders to take the mod down

[@TownBiness97]

@@thewinterbeard5455 Or perhaps they actually support mod authors and give them a platform to bring new and old factions to the game. If they wanted people to stop playing Fallout 4 they would renounce modding privileges. That would kill the entire Fallout 4 community

[@unclerukmer]

It's probably too difficult for them to fix. Competent people don't work at BGS anymore.

[@danives9085]

Thanks for posting this. Been trying to troubleshoot this stutter for days. I downgraded with the patching method, apparently that still causes the stutter bug.

[@dmitritelvanni4068]

The worst update in bethesda history id say. They intentionally launched an assult on modding as a whole. Lets not mince words about it. They wanted to assert their authority of the copyrights they held. Its bare naked reality. They didnt have to implement the scripts they did, they did it because they wanted to max their own control over it.

[@wesleyfurnish8228]

5 months has passed , that's almost half a year. everything is telling me this is on purpose to destroy the game.

[@XNyvedX]

Has to be

[@kirbster3678]

man you know a problem is annoying when your response at this point is "I'm sick of talking about this"

[@dictatorofthecheese]

Bethesda is gonna Bethesda.

[@sheldonmccall752]

I see what you did there 😮.

[@martinenglish6641]

Another issue with the stuttering is making sure you make sure you do not have too many saves. Regularly deleting your older saves will prevent stutters build up in the vanilla game with no mods.

[@AndrewRyan-zv7zb]

Remember, there were people calling anyone who complained about the nextgen update entitled morons for thinking this update actually broke stuff that would ruin people's ability to play the game.

[@dalekrenegade2596]

I still can't play Fallout 4 on Xbox one anymore.

[@mhouse777]

ya, especially if you want to play offline with mods, they killed that with the update. I went to GOG and bought fo4 GOTY and am now playing fo4 again offline with mods , happy days.

[@dalekrenegade2596]

@@mhouse777 Worse I can't even press start on the main menu and when the updates load up the game crashes.

[@HeWhoMurksWithOneLeap]

Unplayable on Series S, also.

[@88cryingwolf]

U have my deepest sympathies friend

[@OrysB-po1fy]

Shame. I remember when it first came out you could actually go through downtown Boston. A while later you needed mods that compressed the textures better and got rid of enemies in downtown Boston. Now from what you’re saying they’ve simply broken the game. And this is why I fully endorse video game piracy

[@DavidDuchov]

imagine paying 7$ for a gun skin and 4 bullets

[@connorwaples6467]

Woah, woah, woah.... you got bullets?

[@OzzyFan80]

John wick used a gun that had bullets that were worth 1 million Dollars a piece LOL

[@spreadzash]

Just the stuttering alone has made me not come back to this game. It is so unfortunate too because it is one of my favorite games to come back to. Paid mods is something that is ruining the gaming community.

[@sanguinor5609]

> Install all the mods I never got to play on console > Build out all of my settlements > Pretty much have my perfect version of Fallout > Try start it up the next day > It’s broken after it auto updated > Still haven’t booted it back up all this time later

[@Dalec81]

Bethesda: "We're working on it." Bethesda is not actually "Working on it.". They will steal the solution from a modder if possible, or have 1 person working in it in their spare time.

[@ErrorMessageNotFound]

Maybe the Bethesda devs are all busy playing Fallout: London.

[@LimaFX]

Thank you for making this video I love fallout 4 I have spent over 10K hours on it I hope they fix it

[@joaquimb4052]

It's been 5 month bro.... This game is almost 10 years old. Why did they even have to go and break it in the first place ?

[@IBM29]

I now feel far less embarrassed about my almost 7K plus hours on FO4.

[@twogruden9943]

@@joaquimb4052 Because everybody bought it 10 years ago and BGS gets nothing for players to load up free mods and play for thousands of hours.

[@OrysB-po1fy]

They’re not going to fix it. They’re going to make it even worse, just like they’ve done since it released.

[@Jodie-G198]

​@@IBM29 I'm skirting under 3K hours and retired the game for almost that reason alone, ha.

[@XNyvedX]

Let me guess the creation market is working just fine.

[@maximo88able]

Not really they update once every blue moon so there is no new deals or free things and it looks like nobody is making new content so is the same as dead

[@redemptionjack4657]

​@@maximo88ableNope recent update added things to it.

[@ernestrutherford228]

I have 23 mods and had little to no issues I got the next Generation Update and now it stutters and crashes if my character is over loaded or I give a npc a modded weapon. The Vats bug started after I went to vault 88 with both my character builds. The only solution was to load a past save before I went to vault 88 to help defend.

[@abraxis59]

I really hope that Bethesda watches your videos. This needs to be called out, so you make the videos and I will watch them start to finish, like and comment because this is an important service to the community IMO.

[@tomalexander4327]

Bethesda broke Fallout so Juice could make sponsored videos about it.

[@dragonhold4]

GOG is doing good work. Can control which update to apply.

[@JC-TBOC]

"Fallout 4 is Still Broken" Ah yes. The floor is made out of floor.

[@rosslane3602]

I still can’t launch my game through the launcher on gamepass, a visual rainbow bug blankets my entire screen still after the update

[@Kylancelo]

My biggest issue is I have no access to the mod menu on console, as in I select mods and it says "This Operation Could Not Be Completed". I can't switch mods, add mods, remove mods or even turn mods off. So no vanilla for me. I'm stuck in a world where every enemy has the strength of Superman and I am as strong as wet tissue paper.

[@CrystalTikal]

From what I saw one of the authors of the Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch say on Discord, the stutter glitch is caused by using any mod that affects NPCs.

[@StormCrownSr]

It happens if you change an npc's face id. Aka, edit their faces in ANY way.

[@Homiloko2]

@@StormCrownSr Which is one of the most common mods because vanilla Bethesda faces are horrible..

[@StormCrownSr]

@@Homiloko2 yup.

[@MrVocks]

I simply gave up playing this after so many problems with this update. The game is almost 10 years old and there are still people who love the game, and they do everything they can to screw over the community. Enough of this abusive relationship.

[@luciferverone]

Im fairly certain that this was done to stop modding from anywhere else but the creation club and to push on their newer games.

[@joaquimb4052]

Same. They want to make traditional modding so broken people would be forced into the creation club. But we'll just stop playing their games instead.

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

That's something they did day one, This seems primarily to discourage people from the game

[@heyhoojoe]

Not a chance, imo. Creation Club mods are neither curated, nor is there a mechanism in place that guarantees CC mods working with your current mod list, or future upgrades. CC adds neither convenience nor usability or stability - it only adds the financial transaction. Really goes back to an old proverb - "Never explain with malice what can easily be attributed to incompetence."

[@Karvoc]

So um not sure if this is being spoken about but for whole areas of the world the CC content is broken for them, and content purchased can't be accessed.

[@seanromine3932]

I haven't played it in about 4 years now. The game just wouldn't save, first on ps4 and then Xbox one. Can't save, not much sense in playing. Which really sucks, I had been doing stuff in the game, adding things to a settlement as a catharsis. My daughter passed away in 2019 and I made a room for her in my primary settlement and would add gifts to her room on her birthday and another gift around the shrine I made to her in the same settlement. Was this necessary? No, but it was a game I played a lot with my free time for a while and it was something I did.

[@Braxel_]

It is just weird how after so much time they suddenly update it in the worst possible way, changing archive version to make older game versions not compatible with the new archive versions. Luckily the mod community is smart and resilient, which allowed me to backport some of the mods that i thought were worth it and run the pre-nextgen game with nextgen mods.

[@TheBHAitken]

Todd did this deliberately because of FOLON and the kicker is that it is not even his software anymore to do this. Todd Howard doesn't own Fallout or Elder Scrolls anymore, he went from CEO to Microsoft employee. #FireToddHoward The man was promoted well beyond his level of incompetency. I mean WHY should we invest in Starfield when we KNOW Todd is just going to do the same thing again? It's time we petitioned Todd Howard's BOSS!

[@EnycmaPie]

Why is it still not an option to send companions back to their original place. I am not talking about just not choosing a settlement, i am talking about the original spot being an option that you can send your companions to even after you have sent them to a settlement before. Makes no sense for companions with their own responsibilities like Nick who has his own detective agency, to just be staying around in a settlement.

[@TownBiness97]

Pretty sure there's a mod for that on PC

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

Bugthesda doesn't do quality of life updates, just look at skyrim where followers get lost in the wild and are sent back

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

​@@TownBiness97he's saying why bugthesda doesn't improve their game design with the amount of bloating updates they do

[@wolfen210959]

I'm pretty sure that all companions can appear where they are needed, no matter if you sent them to a settlement. I always recruit Nick and Piper, and they both appear in Diamond City for the questline after Fort Hagen, and both return to their assigned settlements afterwards. If you want them both to just stay in Diamond City, then don't recruit them, but this may break some quests, as you are supposed to recruit them and assign them to a settlement. I honestly don't know why you wouldn't want to recruit them, as Nick in particular has his own companion questline, and the perks they both give when you max out their affinity are pretty useful. There are only three companions that I generally don't recruit, Hancock and Strong, as their perks don't complement my playstyle, and the quests to recruit them are pretty annoying, in my opinion, and X6-88, who is even more boring than Danse. My favourite companions for travelling with are Nick, Deacon, and Cait, because they are fun to have around, and Piper, because she goes ham on every enemy in range, with that little 10mm pistol, that she somehow fires as fast as an auto-pistol, and who provides a useful distraction while I line up my sniper rifle for those sweet head shots. Piper will go down regularly, until you can equip her with a ballistic weave hat and a courser uniform, after which she only has trouble with really strong enemies.

[@PerspicaciousOne]

You actually can. When the location screen comes up, select nothing and tab out of it. Because nothing was selected they will be sent to their base location.

[@vaughnrussell5772]

One thing I noticed is for all of the mini side quests where you follow distress calls from a radio tower, when you reach the location and cut off the radio the message doesn't stop. I actually did the quest where I had to shut down the reactor first that doesn't have a radio to cut off. Supposed to be ended automatically when reator is shut down. It didn't now none of them do.

[@kierancrumlish737]

I can't believe this game is 9 years old

[@mrfishsticks266]

Somebody should sue bethesda after this. Imagine paying for a mod that breaks your game. Imagine paying for a game that is almost 10 years old and when you play, have a lot of issues

[@janiheikkinen4044]

I'm afraid the companies will move to even worse direction.. Probably, they start charging players to get fixes to games that are broken. More microtransactions...

[@redemptionjack4657]

Hm nope becuase it is the modders fault legally speaking.

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

​@@janiheikkinen4044no that's gonna get them kicked out of country

[@smithynoir9980]

@@redemptionjack4657 No, it's Bethesda's responsibility. If anyone wants to run a platform from which they make sales, they are responsible for the quality and legality of everything sold on said platform. Bethesda owns the platform, it is on them to ensure everything they sell works as intended. Off topic, but it is also legally on Bethesda that anyone is selling mod content stolen from Nexus on Creation Club without the original creators permission.

[@slowneeee]

My fo4 is completely broken since the next gen update. I didn’t know the newest thing was to break your stuff and say it’s better. No but fr bethesda just said “oh you enjoy playing fallout 4? Let me fix that for you.” And broke my fallout 4. The stutters at 2:30 that’s how my game stutters since Bethesda updated fallout 4.

[@vaultdweller5419]

Bethesdas incompetence is astonishing

[@gasdorficmuncher9943]

just as flawed as vault tech in the game

[@Trigger444x]

Is it really crazy to think, that maybe they kinda did this on purpose? Given past Emil statements, he's very spiteful and resentful of the old guard Bethesda fanbase, and I'm sure he's not the only one there. They kinda ruined FO4, which probably STILL has more playersthan Starfield at this point. At what point does it go from incompetence, to straight up malice?

[@N7_Dredgen]

What's crazy to me is the amount of gaslighting from other players, particularly on reddit lol acting like its fine and its our fault for using mods even though they worked properly for years on end before the update.

[@kahrnivor]

Those of us that never updated are playing just fine.

[@Deltasoldier89]

I will never forgive myself for forgetting to turn off auto update. They snuck that in on me and now months later I cant fix it

[@TheItalianoAssassino]

Bethesda is getting worse and worse. They need to restructure the team or something man.

[@SamHell-wr8bi]

Didn't Earn It.

[@gasdorficmuncher9943]

76 new patch people can cheese the new loot funny i just works

[@jimspock]

You didn't mention extremely long load times when entering buildings or how ironic, fast travelling

[@Dahellraider]

X cell mod fixed the facegen stutter

[@MrJoshpit]

I played it when it first dropped on xbox series x. And had minimal bugs.

[@pl_8404]

Xbox mod menu won't allow you to open it if there's any mods that were taken off of BethNet and you'll get the whole Operation Cannot Be Completed error. Which is annoying because one day a mod can just be delisted and now the only way to fix it and get back into the mod menu is to delete all of them via the storage menu for Fallout 4. If there's another way to fix it without starting from scratch each time I'd loved to hear it.

[@noahgettheark]

There isn't. And also, a lot of mods just won't work because Bethesda messed up the screenshots of those mods, which somehow makes the entire mod unusable.

[@pl_8404]

​@@noahgettheark yea I kinda figured. I was hoping I was wrong but I guess not. And yea I've noticed that as well. Hopefully they fix it eventually lol.

[@mariobalestrieri7488]

I hope the operation cannot be completed bug gets fixed I play with mods and that’s irritating.

[@cypher5009]

It's incredible that such a well known studio owned by Microsoft can mishandle their games so badly especially with a proprietary engine that id imagine the developers know well. What an absolute joke.

[@XNyvedX]

It had to be done on purpose.

[@jeremiahjohnson2784]

They do not know their own engine, big dog. There's a reason why unofficial patches are always number one on modlists

[@redemptionjack4657]

​@@jeremiahjohnson2784that patch breaks the game on console.

[@garrettsmith3518]

FALLOUT 4 IS STILL BROKEN

[@gasdorficmuncher9943]

update the game to ber more broken , mission complete

[@martinenglish6641]

The latest release of the UFO4P v2.1.7 from v2.1.6b has made a great difference in general. Playing the game in vanilla with no mods is still broken to this day. Broken quest lines and even the added new content are buggy and broken. I have a newer PC that runs Starfield great but FO4 still will not run in ultra quality or use godrays. The game still freezes and crashes. The FPS issue still exists as well. Any player that says they have no issue is not correct. I play on PC and my children play on all the consoles. The game as it is, is still broken.

[@LynnJudd]

Yep still won't load, I was playing no mod just 6 add-ons on Xbox one with discs it quit so I started playing on Xbox series x bought the digital version it played a little then quit.I have 6 years into it .I contacted both Bethesda and Microsoft they told me what to do and still nothing this has been since October 21,2024 I can see my saves and I only have one character and it only started on an exit save and if you try to play it crashes how can they sell something that doesn't work. Sad that is for sure.

[@martinenglish6641]

@@LynnJudd Your game saves are corrupt. A complete delete and reinstall is needed because even if you delete the saves and start a fresh game the saves are still backed up, that is just the way the console works. Just play the game on a decent PC. You have more control in the command line and mods are more numerous and just run better. And at least a corrupt save can be deleted with no lingering effects and you can move on, and at worst, the command line will allow you to skip broken sections of quests and you can continue.

[@martinenglish6641]

@@LynnJudd I can write 100 pages on how the next get update adds new issues and breaks into the game. it is now 01-08-2025 and the game is more likely to crash and you still can not run over low or medium quality. Godrays and debris still do not work. Save, save, save. And the more time into a playthrew the probability of freezes and crashes goes up.

[@LynnJudd]

@martinenglish6641 Thank you it is just really hard to let go of 6 years all the building settlements, armor, and weapons. Not to mention all the money in 4k tv and the Xbox series x and the Seagate and the add-ons the discs and the digital version the I bought while talking to Microsoft in Oct that won't work.I really can't afford a PC.

[@stevewak72]

Been getting stutters in FO4 on PC and I don't have any mods installed at all, only creation club stuff. The Noir Penthouse is badly bugged, it has no floors, they're see through,some walls as well. I don't use it any more incase I fall through the floors or something. And this is official PAID content.

[@CharlieDompler-r9v]

Yea they dont care, and honestly none of us should either at this point. There is no universe where TES 6 is worth the wait.

[@rictalpuppet5503]

Who expected it to not be?

[@Eremiyah]

Welp. time for a Fo4 unofficial patch unofficial patch. then when a new "update" releases, create a new unofficial patch that fixes the unofficial patch that fixes the first unofficial patch, and see how long of a mod name we can get till we get bored. XD

[@sydryi3086]

Another problem is DLC access, for some reason I can no longer download or play the DLC for fallout 4.

[@dardo1201]

From what i hear, one of the most egregious bugs is game instability when it comes to literally any mod overwriting npc's, also acknowledged by the unofficial patch creator. Longer saves becoming unstable is one of my biggest gripes with modded playthroughs and the patch didn't make it better to say the least.

[@super_terram]

I have been saying since 2020 that Bethesda Game Studios is in a pickle. 3/4 of the original team that had been there for decades left/resigned/retired/passed away. Bethesda today is not the Bethesda that made games even as recent as Fallout 4. In fact... most of the team that made Fallout 76 is gone. The team that made Starfield is down about 1/4. Bethesda is in deep doodoo. They lost most of their creative talent. They are riding on name and name only at this point. They made an attempt to update Fallout 4 and broke it... and they do not have the resources or the knowledge to fix it. MARK MY WORDS. Bethesda is at risk of closure. I do not see how they can survive at this rate. They are living on borrowed time they accrued with past titles. Starfield may have sold well, but it's modding community and it's playerbase is shrinking by the day... and the first DLC hasn't even released yet. I would not expect Fallout 4 to ever be fixed by Bethesda.

[@smithynoir9980]

Imo, companies should be forced to change their name, perhaps introduce a version number, when a significant portion of their team has changed. We need to do something that prevents companies from being trusted on brand name alone or succeeding by standing (and usually taking a dump on) the shoulders of the giants that came before.

[@zlboyle90]

PC player and I never updated to the new version. Still plays as well as can be expected with no stutter from the update.

[@Alain.M1]

Same here with Steam version

[@ninja1man4u]

Just another reminder NOT TO UPGRADE yet again

[@gasdorficmuncher9943]

ya what lazy patch, 2 years of waiting for that

[@someonelikejaden]

Juicehead you’re raising community awareness with these videos. Fallout 4 is one my favorite games and honestly it sucks seeing it in the condition that it’s in right now. Bethesda needs to go back in and solve these issues. The next gen update was great but the fans of this game don’t deserve having to deal with these major complications. Thank you for shedding some light on this topic because it still exists out there.

[@Name-kd5jj]

I've been playing for a couple of months now and I love the game. I've been a big fan of Skyrim for years but never got into Fallout because ...........well I just never tried it. Having said that I've had countless problems. I did several missions for all four major factions but decided to go with the Brotherhood because Liberty Prime. Well I got to one of the final missions where you follow Liberty Prime and it glitched out. So I reloaded my most recent save. The game crashed. So I restarted and loaded again. Crash. I loaded the second to most recent save. Crash. I went back several autosaves and it finally worked. But it was about 3 hours back. So i did all the missions again and got back to where I was. I load the most recent save just to see and crash. Same problem. So I went back several saves and went with the Minutemen instead and no problems. Now I'm having an issue with crafting a settlement building. No big issue its just that any time I craft something its about a 5-10 second delay. So settlement building takes a while. I have an issue with Piper where I try to talk to her to get her to follow me and she just says random stuff and there's no options brought up. I've had several issues where certain missions do not start or complete. Plus lots of smaller things like the first Minutemen mission where you go inside the building and it tells you to kill 7 raiders but only 3 spawn. The only mod I have installed is the Cheat Room. I deactivated it and still had issues so its not the mod.

[@Agnostic_Asi]

When I rode the rollercoaster in the Nuka World DLC, my frames dropped to sub 1 fps... yeah... next gen

[@josephayrton1752]

These stutters can also cause the loading screen to freeze so I'd say that's game breaking and technically a broken product

[@gasdorficmuncher9943]

vault doesnt open if you upload creation club stuff , and dance repeats his lines cant join botherhood still broken

[@josephayrton1752]

@gasdorficmuncher9943 ye, I gave up on Fallout 4 since it's never gonna get fixed

[@angelsichor88]

I wish you had mentioned the ridiculously small size of the mod compartment on Xbox. Thousands of us would have happily settled for its expansion over the rest of the update. A few other creators are asking BS to do this but i hope more and more do as having 100gbs in Skyrim but basically only 3gbs in Fallout 4 is ridiculous.

[@SrChr778]

I'll admit, Fallout 4 still needs another supplementary patch to fix some of the current issues. Although I wonder if they'll turn the CC & Mods into one Creations menu like they did with Skyrim? I think they're just waiting for Fallout Season 2 to begin. Which will be quite a while...

[@arniekitching6643]

I’ve stopped playing both fo4 and starfield, fo4 mainly because of the stuttering and starfield because of the constant quit and reloading when you occasionally get killed and it is even worse with mods and as long as this continues I won’t restart.

[@MrAnarchyMarine]

Arthmoor and his unofficial patch is essentially blacklisted by the greater modding community because of his behavior, and need to edit things beyond bug fixes.

[@MrAnarchyMarine]

For context. In Skyrim he edited an ebony mine that is canonically am ebony mine, into an iron mine, because he believed that players should have to work for the ebony, and he imposed his so called "immersion" changes to not just Skyrim, but to his Fallout, and later, Starfield unofficial patch modds.

[@Sapsche]

Maybe I'm a minority here - things that are still broken/ or after the update on Playstation 4 (Yes, have a laugh at my expense): - Crafting recipes that include wild razorgrain can't be crafted, bc the plant can't be harvested - Renting the room in Bunker hill is a nuisance, takes 3-4 tries to actually get the room, while Tony Savoldi is cashing in several times - Companions seem to fall behind even further then before the New Gen Update, sometimes I wasn't even sure if I actually dismissed them - V.A.T.S. can be used with ranged weapons most of the time but melee weapons are hopelessly bugged, I was killed several times in the process - More game crashes then before the New Gen Update, which is neat, since I play survival (well, maybe that's thanks to the PS4?) - Mobs clip through the floor and disappear, no loot - Sometimes Legendary Enemies don't have legendary items on them I think there was more, but especially things like the harvesting of plants or the Bunker Hill thing are "typical" Bethesda, implementing something and not fixing it for years. I did an Elder Scrolls online quest back in 2022 and had to browse through forums to try and find a solution for the bugged quest - where I found entries describing the same problems, dating back to 2014.

[@shawngiver5570]

I’ve experienced all these bugs expect the melee vats one

[@Sapsche]

@@shawngiver5570 I was in fact thinking about editing this just yesterday, Bc several other bugs occured, that I forgot about: - When targeting mobs (also melee V.A.T.S.) it looks like my guy is clipping through the floor and starts to float. Just yesterday I targeted Ness, close to Revere Beach Station and I floated until I landed close to Ticonderoga. Happened in Far Harbour alr a few weeks back, I was "beamed" from the Children of Atom Shrine to National Park visitor's center. -There are some locks that can't be lockpicked, although I've maxed out the lockpicking skill. -The random event with Art and his Synth double keeps spawning, about eight times in my current playthrough, and both are hostile towards me, every time.

[@moto3463]

still broken

[@Andrew-ey4ti]

For me on PS5 In the mission for the BOS - Shadow of Steel - there is no option to get on the Vertibird with Paladin Danse. So all the BOS missing are broken for me