Fallout Iceberg EXPLAINED (Lore, Theories, Myths, and Retcons) Pt 1

[@Alex-mq6qi]

21:21 I think that one refers to the phrase "when you see an NPC being attacked and you go and help him/her out, you're the Mysterious Stranger to them"

[@N_orte]

that's a good interpretation too!

[@patsysolatzzo2962]

1. Ghoul whales were spoken about throughout the game between npcs. I almost didn’t want to explore the water due to my fear of underwater large surprises. 2. The synth mannequins can hold some weight as there’s a point in the game where you’re in a room full of mannequins and one synth. I always believed they were synths.

[@goose93]

I blow as many of their heads off as i can

[@brickdinero5468]

In another guys iceberg he goes deeper into most of these theories and some more, and he explains that not only what you said, but there’s a ship somewhere in the harbor with a bunch of mannequins, one in a position that implies he killed a human male. And there’s a note nearby that the captain of the ship is scared of the mannequins an blah blah basically he died by one

[@patsysolatzzo2962]

@@brickdinero5468 who makes that iceberg you are talking about? I am interested in watching

[@brickdinero5468]

@@patsysolatzzo2962 franklygaming is his KZbin name sorry for the late reply

[@mapleflag6518]

The whale would probably be friendly though.

[@joeguy5989]

I was the mysterious stranger for a low level in Fallout 76. I was in stealth, up on a rocky cliff. I could see the other player was battling too many supermutants at once, down below. without being detected, I softened up the targets so he could more easily finish them off. My activity was masked by all the noises and explosions going on, and the player was able to enter the building and complete whatever quest he was on, I'm sure.

[@youshallnotknow]

Good lad

[@drgojira6044]

Someone we should all strive to be

[@emre_d_luffy]

You are the person every multiplayer game has in it, but never talked about, what a lad B)

[@mysalsa7963]

i have a question joe guy, in 2022 is fallout 76 relatively good, or worth playing ?

[@emmy8998]

@@mysalsa7963 yes it is, it’s a good game especially with friends

[@grantluper5168]

With the dogmeat synth theory i think you’re missing the fact that he’s a purebred German shepherd 200 years after society ends. I think it is very unlikely that anyone could have the will or means to keep a line of purebred German shepherds for 200 years. I think it’s more likely that the institute made one to remind the sole survivor of their time before the war, making them a bit more comfortable. Along with the other points you mentioned in your video, I think it’s very likely dogmeat is a synth.

[@fernandotorrero779]

Dogmeat has been a german shepherd since Fo1, which took place in 2161. FEV research by the institute began in 2178. Furthermore they got their hands in the sole survivor until 2224 therefore it could not be a synth. While that does not prove that Fo4 was or was not a synth it does prove that german shepherds are a thing even a century after the apocalypse.

[@grantluper5168]

@@fernandotorrero779 Fallout 1 takes place way closer to the war, and on the west coast. The west Coast is shown to be more advanced, given that there is nobody who sells dogs in the commonwealth, over 200 years after the bombs drop, I find it unlikely that in the world of the east coast fallout, where everyone is fighting to survive for 200 years, the genetics of a purebred German shepherd would be secured

[@folkishappalachian6827]

How are there still black and white vault dwellers in the same vault after 200 years? Is it a gameplay mechanic or are vault overseas adherent to Jim crow laws?

[@MurkyWaters677]

@@folkishappalachian6827 In the games vaults are smaller than they are in lore. In the Fallout bible they are supposed to house 500 to 1000 people if I'm correct.

[@Thesprittomb05]

Also what about cheyenne in fallout new vegas.

[@justsomeguy6970]

In hotel California there’s the line “ you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave” this slots perfectly with the sierra madre and how you’re trapped in it but you can still die

[@theidajawho]

The Eagles "Hotel California" has been interpreted as being a Satanic Church. '69 referring to founding/ordaining of the Church of Satan and the Wine not being served 'cause it was the representation of Christ Blood. Also, "They stab it with their steely knives but they just can't kill The Beast", "You can checkout anytime you like but you can never leave"....

[@devolzyt7625]

Although that makes sense too, the song Hotel California is more likely what they’re referencing to.

[@devolzyt7625]

Oops sorry I misread your comment at first 😂

[@pepijn23]

Another fun fact about the connection between the Sierra Madre and Hotel California is that alot off quests in MV are named after songs like Kick in the head, come fly with me, one for my baby, Nothing but a hound dog and Eddie my love

[@lexus8018]

17:50 And she said *'We are all just prisoners here, of our own device'* -> The Madre not letting go And in the master's chambers, They gathered for the feast They stab it with their steely knives, But they just can't kill the beast -> Attacking the security holograms Last thing I remember, I was Running for the door I had to find the passage back To the place I was before 'Relax, ' said the night man, 'We are programmed to receive. You can check-out any time you like, But you can never leave!' -> The greeter hologram not letting anyone leave the casino

[@N_orte]

Great analysis! Was thinking the exact thing with the "can't kill the beast line" I was hoping someone would mention it!

[@capello5688]

“Running for the door” could also be a reference to either escaping the vault after killing Or trapping Elijah. Also could be the player trying to leave the Sierra Madre before completing the DLC

[@luciferw.3352]

The song is a reference to the satanic temple of Cali. They even have the high priest in the photo on the back cover..

[@samharradence5689]

“The beast” can also be seen as a metaphor for the greed that drove most of the Courier’s Sierra Madre team to said location. For example, Christine’s mission to kill Elijah becomes less and less about how she sought to fulfil the hit the CoS put out on Elijah. Instead, a deep seated greed for revenge to kill Elijah for separating Christine from her lover takes over, nearly killing her in the Big M.T. and Sierra Madre. It isn’t the strongest or most concise of metaphors but it’s one interpretation.

[@joseybryant7577]

Fun fact, "steely knives," was originally "steely dans." Since Steely Dan referenced The Eagles in an earlier song, and they were fans of each other.

[@SansMain]

I always though the Grenade man was Rex, and he eventually ended up at Trinity Tower. He is an actor after all

[@N_orte]

haha maybe. now thats a theory!

[@haroldbalzac6336]

its just a reference to Police Academy.

[@S_auce]

Given how dark the fallout universe can be, cant wait to get to the bottom.

[@N_orte]

we get into some weird ones in pt2!

[@justanaverageantarctican1007]

:o

[@justanaverageantarctican1007]

ok

[@robertjosephfoster1840]

18:05 While yes the Carhenge easter egg is a reference to Stonehenge, I believe it's more of a reference to the ACTUAL Carhenge found in Alliance, Nebraska made by Jim Reinders.

[@TheDanishGuyReviews]

8:05 I agree with it being scary. I'm happy it was the location of the last Bobblehead, because I couldn't find my way out again. So I just reloaded a save after finding the Bobblehead and getting the achievement.

[@Wolfgang8-Y]

I think a lot of people today forget how hard it was to determine what was or wasn't extinct before we started recording everything constantly. We thought gorillas were extinct for decades! Potatoes could very easily be extinct on the east coast and cats on the west and no one would know they exist on the other side of the country.

[@biglad112]

I really like the calm vibe of your videos, no loud voices and only facts. Keep making more! 😁

[@N_orte]

thank you!

[@Cheyne_TetraMFG]

19:28 I think grenade man is a reference to Police Academy, and the character that Michael Winslow plays. Michael Winslow is a master of making sounds with only his voice. In the original movie, he meets the main character, played by Steve Guttenberg, after being arrested. When Guttenberg's character asks what he was in for, Winslow says, "I'll show you" and grabs a microphone and vocally mimics (perfectly) the sound of automatic rifle fire, and everyone freaks out. He's probably the best part of the series in my opinion, because his sounds are honestly on point and quite funny. But yeah, he does things like mimic rifle fire and motorcycle sounds, so this is way too specific for it to be coincidental. It's also a movie series from the 80s and many of the guys writing for Bethesda grew up then, so I'm certain they'd know that series of movies, I mean there were like 5 or 6 sequels or something like that.

[@jaceclarke6139]

Deepest lore is actually me. I dropped the first nukes in the Fallout Universe. I am a business man after all....

[@N_orte]

damn u jace

[@jaceclarke6139]

@@N_orte hahahahha business

[@rolandyamel6376]

Yeah nothing weird about a pure blood German Shepherd showing up in the middle of an atomic wasteland with no mutations and 200 years after all dog breeders are gone.

[@senhowler]

Dogmeat is the Mysterious Stranger's dog and shares his powers.

[@The_WhitePencil]

After Most* Dog breeders are gone, there's literally a few in-game.

[@void-master9077]

Yeah the person above me is correct, there’s actually plenty of healthy dogs about, they’re hardy, and according to a lot of people in the lore they’re able to survive alone all of their lives no intervention needed, they’re weak in game sure, but it’s possible for a pure bred German shepherd, an already strong durable breed, to survive. Especially when breeders are everywhere, just far and few in between.

[@Keithjustkeithwastaken]

@@void-master9077 no its not at all it is far more unlikely that a German Shepard only bred with other German Shepard for 200 years that is ridiculous dogmeat would be a mut by now it is pretty fair to assume he is a synth if THAT is your argument.

[@The_WhitePencil]

@@Keithjustkeithwastaken did you choose to completely ignore half the argument? Dog breeders still exist, so yeah, if they had German Shepards and a place to keep them, they would be able to keep a pretty pure line of dogs. Not to mention, not everyone was just thrown out into the wasteland as soon as it started, there are vaults everywhere, and some of them could've housed animals, where it would be the actual job of people in those vaults to keep them pure-bred.

[@madmammoth9022]

I think this may be the first time I've ever learned something new about this game in years because i genuinely never knew Carla was/is an Institute spy.

[@brotherhoodofsteel4751]

In regards to the potato theory it's possible that it did go extinct on the East Coast while we know River City is growing them it's possible that they're the only exception and that they cannot produce a large enough number to replace the tato. As for New Vegas it's possible that either it was never extinct or it was brought back from extinction by a major faction such as the NCR, vault city, or shi . Also the grenade guy is probably a reference to Michael Winslow from Police academy.

[@N_orte]

I think your potato theory is probably correct. West coast got potatoes. East coast got cats lmao

[@Lance-The-BoS-Lancer]

@@N_orte the west also has cats, he just dudnt see them due to limitations, in 2 we talk to a women who owns them.

[@Pigness7]

The X-01 retcon never happened, APA =/= X-01 76 even explains that X-01 is experimental prewar pa APA was designed based on X-01 designs by the enclave later on

[@N_orte]

yes, exactly this! But some people believe that Nuka-World broke the lore by having the X-01 Quantum, but the reality is, exactly as you said, the APA was made post war using the X-01 schematics!

[@BOT76395]

@@N_orte I always figured that the x-o1 power armor was a pre war plan with maybe 5 suits made that was then updated post war to the advanced power armor

[@chrishiggins1934]

Found the Bethesda simp/apologist

[@gearhooves5996]

@@chrishiggins1934 well it is really likely and logical though, since even when comparing the actual designs of the Advanced PA and X-01, though yes you can tell they do have similarities, but on the other hand they do have a number of differences as well, at least in my opinion, that really helps support that they are not the same. Some of the examples of this is with the X-01 having a more experiential/prototype kind of look with the more bulky looking parts (not including the changes to PA as a whole) as well as quite a number of exposed tubing on the back and more visible looking openings between the armors plate pieces compared to the advanced which has a more finished and completed/polished look to it with a more sleeker design that doesn't have as much exposure between it's plating and conceals most of the more possibly vital parts of the armor.

[@chrishiggins1934]

@@gearhooves5996 you know what, I apologize. That was a very well thought out response and totally respectful. Sorry for being a dick, I respect that explanation and I can see that being lore friendly. Thanks for taking the time to reply

[@kaycpunkmustdie4841]

It wasn't explicitly mentioned that it was the New Plague, but it's very likely that it was also in Fallout 4. McCready's son, Duncan, is mentioned to have a disease that causes him to be covered in blue boils, and his companion quest consists of trying to get a treatment for him from the West Tek facility. It could be some other disease, but it could also be the New Plague. Nothing there is ever really confirmed.

[@tagoz]

Always been a fan of these iceberg videos, nice to watch one did by you :)

[@N_orte]

thank you! :) I'm a big fan as well

[@MarySmith-hv5ur]

The "Nate is a synth" theory reminds me of the "deckard was a replicant" theory, I guess in both it's just up to interpretation

[@Lance-The-BoS-Lancer]

Well, in some of the versions of the story he was one.

[@WodkaEclair]

yeah, everything is "up to interpretation" but sometimes there's evidence for or against an interpretation, like the dead body in the chemist near the corvega factory, which to me heavily implies that the player is a synth.

[@MarySmith-hv5ur]

@@WodkaEclair which one do you mean?

[@gordonross3270]

I think it's confirmed he was a replicant

[@a.monach7602]

I don't really like the whole "P.A.M. started the war" theory. On top of it not really mattering in the end, it kind of misses what I see as the point of P.A.M. as a character, and is just a little mean-spirited towards her. P.A.M. is a defining example of the arrogance of the pre-war United States. They built a *Predictive* Analytics Machine, who made well-informed and highly accurate *predictions,* and then discarded what it said because they weren't concrete "yes or no" conclusions - even though they were proven correct, as evidenced by the Yangtze sitting along Boston's harbor.

[@Pottzy]

I still like the idea of the zetans being the ones starting the great war. It's a goofy theory that I think fits in quite well with fallout's universe

[@fernandotorrero779]

While I agree that is a funny idea to entertain it totally breaks what fallout has always been about. Humanity's hubris caused the end of the world. Weather it was american or Chinese jingoism, whether it was capitalism or communism it no longer matters, it was us and there is no turning back; neither china nor USA remain nor anything the stood up for, all we have left are dregs of humanity trying to survive in a world that is no longer hospitable. To change that for aliens did kind of makes fallout's message moot.

[@gearhooves5996]

Maybe with that idea of Zetans starting the great war off, is that maybe their potential reasoning in doing so was to weaken the world's population for if they decide to invade them since battling the people found in a post-nuclear world would be most likely, to them at least, be leagues easier to fight and concur then the large organized and well armed militaries of the pre-war world.

[@FalonGrey]

Fun, but meaningless. The Great War was started by China, which is pretty blatant if you pay attention to how the Anchorage Invasion went, with the US pushing back all the way into Beijing, and China launching out of desperation.

[@angelamaro3480]

The New Plague is also referenced by MacCready in Fallout 4. His son is sick and the symptoms match up except for the hemorrhaging

[@thesneakystrangler9002]

You can't really say that Nate or Nora remembers too much about pre-war to be a synth when Nick had an entire Pre-War consciousness in an older model. Even if it's not full he remember ridiculous details in his quest from what I can remember.

[@1234wowww]

"Whole lot of ruckus for something that isnt a big deal" "Retcons don't matter" Bruh theres like less than 5 suits of power armor pre fallout 4 it's not hard to get right. Also like you said I figured it was a prototype but what pisses me off is the fallout 4 load screens that contradict what is in the game. Even if there are discrepancies and inconsistencies, the least they can do is have everything WITHIN fallout 4 be consistent

[@ceasarcruz8312]

you sure? it's fuckin bethesda after all...

[@ceasarcruz8312]

@@thinkingboi9508 the lore is what made fallout franchise so good, shitty retcons should be called out...

[@Lance-The-BoS-Lancer]

Nothing is contradicted you idiot, it's all prototypes, thats what the fucking X means in designations, it's the prototype that was turned into APA.

[@Jackie89000]

I don't believe that cats in Fallout 4 are synths as in FO4, there is a small, unmarked location, a small shack, that has just a bunch of cats, pet food bowls and a merchant. Talking to the merchant, you can buy cat meat from her. To me, this suggests she's breeding these cats for meat to sell/eat and if the cats are breeding, they aren't synthetic.

[@danishcannoli7088]

I think we can confirm the flatwoods monster is a zetan from this last invader event. Lol. But yeah before the event it seemed obvious. You could see their face in photo mode and they checked off the take a photo of alien challenge prior to the last update

[@nicowokeuplikethis9145]

>Shows up and instantly bonds with the sole survivor >Helped fight throughout the wasteland >Led the sole survivor right into their spouse's killer doorstep >Doesn't even utter a single word when you need to do what's to be done even though it's morally wrong actions So yeah, Dogmeat is unfathomably based

[@Wired_User]

10:08 I’m a believer in the Dogmeat is a synth, purely because he’s a perfectly healthy and highly intelligent dog. Every other dog is irradiated, but this random dog that’s incredibly friendly, looked like a purebred German Shepherd, and is very healthy is just hanging out at a gas station? That’s weird. I don’t think he’s an informant or being used to watch you (although that’s a possibility. The institute uses fake birds. We know that for a fact), I think he’s a synth animal as part of their terraforming projects, and they disposed of him by chucking him topside. Or maybe the experiment was a success, and Dogmeat was left on the surface to help repopulate the dogs with healthy genes.

[@foxfireheart8833]

fun fact: the flatwoods monster IS a Zetan, this is not a theory, it's confirmed fact due to them appearing within the Zetan Invasion event fallout 76 had not too long ago as a fairly common enemy fighting along side the other Zetans and robots in the invasion force.

[@jakethesnake4040]

Something I was thinking about is it'd be cool to restore the wasteland more each game. I know they all take place during different time periods. Some before or after each other. But it'd be cool to restore the world to normal again. I think fallout 4 in a way started that idea. Being able to build settlements was basically like restoring the commonwealth. But I mean something as simple as removing debris or garbage and cleaning up. Rebuilding. Things like that.

[@emfuega]

nick whistled for dogmeat aka the prompt to show up at Kellogg's house

[@PoguliPogalu]

On the topic of redcons, while I do agree with you that an IP owner is free to do all the redcons he wants, I do think that people should be free to dislike said changes and critique it.

[@ceasarcruz8312]

yup, they can do as they please, it doesn't mean I have to put up with this bullshit :)

[@PoguliPogalu]

@@ceasarcruz8312 yep pretty much hahaha

[@robbiw94]

Love the theory about the lonesome drifter , very believable

[@rudiwillsberry6442]

There's still so much to know about the world of fallout

[@N_orte]

ton of info!

[@KevinC2793]

dogmeat doesn't show up at Kellogg's house unprompted, Nick says he's going to call Dogmeat with a special signal you can't hear, implying he uses a dog whistle to call him.

[@couriersev3n]

I always like longer videos you do, great iceberg!

[@N_orte]

thank you, Ezra!

[@z0nkz363]

Finally a full vid

[@N_orte]

cmon man, i've got a few others!

[@z0nkz363]

@@N_orte I like the much LONGER vids

[@The_WhitePencil]

15:25 my personal way to solve the "things were called extinct in one game and exist in another" is just the fact that they are locally extinct where the games take place. Considering the fact that pretty much every location is cut off from each other almost entirely it's possible people don't know that things existed elsewhere. It also makes logical sense in the case of the potato, for example. Fallout new Vegas takes place fairly close to parts of America that had large agricultural usage, so potatoes surviving makes sense, while in fallout 4, in the areas around Boston, potatoes were mostly obtained from the outside world and as such there wasn't enough to make a natural population and crossbreeds had to be made.

[@The_WhitePencil]

Also just going to point out it seems like a lot of theories just like to say "everything is a synth", which I find a little silly.

[@Jimmyjam1899]

Why is Shaun being Father only a theory? If they explicitly say in the game that Father IS Shaun, I think the theory should be that Father ISN'T Shaun

[@rooky9165]

Kind of backwards ain't it

[@Pigness7]

There is a location in 4 where you can find synths hiding in a group of mannequins

[@marklarizzle]

If I ever see Doc doing that, I will buy a lottery ticket.

[@N_orte]

you've been chosen

[@magnuserror9305]

Technically speaking, the Fallout universe is connected to the Elder Scrolls universe through c0da. Especially if Tod Howard believes in c0da. Meaning Tod is a godhead like Kirkbride was.

[@AppledirtArchive]

Fun fact: Carhenge is an actual place. There's a chance the Easter egg in Fallout 4 may be referring to that

[@Demos_Jeff]

I’m absolutely convinced that Dogmeat is a synth. He’s a seemingly perfect dog 200 years into the apocalypse. Considering they make a point of showing the gorillas and establishing that the institute is capable of making synth animals it just seems like obvious conclusion. Father wanted to ensure the protagonists survival and success in finding him without directly interfering so he gave the sole survivor dogmeat to help guide them and help them cope with the wasteland mentally.

[@cosmicmeatball375]

it makes a lot of sense, nice work

[@soifonbleh]

it was officially debunked by a dev

[@Demos_Jeff]

@@soifonbleh I mean they can debunk whatever but I stand behind it being the most logical way to rationalize a trained, healthy, and friendly dog just hanging out in your path 200 years post nuclear war

[@ChrisVillagomez]

​@@Demos_Jeff There is a Dogmeat in every game except New Vegas I believe, in Fallout 4 they seem to have Mutts pretty close to purebred like Rottweilers, Pit Bulls, and Huskies. My personal theory is that Dogmeat is the name of someone's old dog and the person is so pivotal to Fallout as a whole that there is a Dogmeat in every game

[@Demos_Jeff]

@@ChrisVillagomez I’m behind that for a out of universe explanation but what I’m saying is that in universe Dogmeat conveniently waiting in the protagonists path and being so well trained and willing to help is strange isn’t it?

[@SuperLumianaire]

The thumbs up thing, while it is bunk, that doesn't mean that people in the fallout universe believe it. Remember, the government had our school kids put their hands over their heads while under their desks to "protect" themselves from a nuke.

[@gabiferreira6864]

it's much better to be under a desk protecting your head than standing still. Depending on how far it falls you may either get hit by glass shards, concrete blocks and/or a massive heat wave that'll melt your skin off. getting under something or just laying down is really the best and basically the only thing you can do to protect yourself.

[@SnipeDude500]

let's go my man made an iceberg

[@N_orte]

yes sir!

[@smallcryingchild9322]

I appreciate your visuals + editing. Very appropriate to the topics you discuss in your videos and they go well with your narration!!

[@Dakooties]

Dude, I really really enjoyed this. I can sincerely say I am gonna be super stoked for part 2.

[@Mirokuofnite]

Mr. House original picture was changed because the devs thought he looked too manic. The character who was a stand in for Howard Hughes had a bit of a Walt Disney design bent to him. But this was removed. Also read up on Walt Disney and his plans for EPCOT. It's very Mr. House

[@inq3139]

17:42 "Some dance to remember" and "Some dance to forget" could also refer to the holograms and the other "friendly" inhabitants of the Sierra Madre

[@gold_leaf0702]

It’s fun to think that the Brotherhood just doesn’t know about potatoes

[@IcedSynergy]

Never heard of the hotel California theory till now! Such a cool idea it's totally my new headcannon

[@killscroll4450]

With the flatwoods monster being a zetan the new event in 76 confirms that it is a zetan as is gets zap down from the space ship

[@killscroll4450]

And xo1 is both pre and post war cos xo1 wos being worked on pre but finished post from wot I've see/been told Edit: i just saw him say all this after 5 sec of saying this

[@The-three-eyed-Prophet]

i think the manequins are just placed in the way they are because bored or high wastelanders had some fun or felt lonely ... i also think the game developers have some fun while making the games ...

[@evanprince3875]

Huge fan of your short term content and am loving the longer stuff too! I always love hearing different creators takes on the fallout franchise, I've watched almost all the lore I can get to and seeing your shorts is like a little refresher or reminder of things I've missed!

[@N_orte]

Thanks Evan! Glad to hear you enjoy it!

[@LyallaTime]

The 'You are a Synth' thing got me good because of the whole 'Captain Avery' thing. Scared the shit out of myself because I'd chosen the name Avery at random!

[@stickpageoffical]

Hey, love the video hope you go big like the others, take it easy bro

[@ThtSunbreaker]

This is a franchise that has a ghoul who turned into a tree, talking 10ft Shrek people, talking engineered lizards ect ect, dogmeat just having descendents is probably the most believable thing in the franchise

[@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf]

Isn’t Harold a super mutant?

[@ThtSunbreaker]

@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf fair point I think hes something like a supermutant, sometimes I forget what he is considering the melted looking face, more akin to the master, not quite a supermutant but something akin to one

[@ChrissieBear]

21:00 A counter argument to the theory: The institute doesn't actually have memory implanting technology, only the Railroad do. We know from Institute terminal entries that they don't implant memories but instead simply interrogate the original target and then instruct the replacement on the info gleamed.

[@CondemnedInformer]

Ret-cons are bad the X-01 is prime example. Bethesda did that on purpose. They made the X-01 the end game power armor and didn't want to make a new power armor for Nuka world, so they instead put a painted suit of X-01 in a theme park for players to collect. It would have just been better if there was a new gun or a new gimmick like Bethesda had been testing with the other DLCs in FO4. And then there is the Brotherhood ret-con, it's quiet obvious Bethesda doesn't care about the lore that made the franchise what it is and it sucks that some fans are apathetic to it. I hope Microsoft doesn't allow them to continue to ruin Fallout's lore. But looking at Halo, they'll likely expedite it. 'They can't and shouldn't be expecting to remember' If we can, why are people who are paid to remember (apparently) unable to? That's a weak response. Just out of curiosity, could you imagine if say, a Tolkien expert, that works with the Tolkien estate got things wrong as often as Bethesda does, if that person or group would continue being employed? No, they wouldn't. It seems Bethesda is full of incompetency in every department, except music, as that is mainly handled externally, by much more talented people. /rAnT oVeR

[@Lance-The-BoS-Lancer]

Dude, X-01 is a prototype, it isnt the sane as APA.

[@theraccoonconquerer139]

When he mentioned the sentry bot I remember the time I was stuck In a room at the national guard training yard with a sentry bot outside, no health or ammo, and only a suit of power armor stopping it from murdering me

[@Josh_Jackson]

Hotel California is a song about a person that died, and their soul is trapped in that hotel. It's a purgatory, so to speak. "You can checkout anytime you want, but you can never leave."

[@syndrodome]

14:48 (In Fallout 4) Once max affinity is reached with MacCready he will have a mission for you where you help him get the cure that Westek was working on for his kid in the Capital Wasteland

[@chrisswisher1413]

I think the statue in Dunwitch Borers is another link to the ES world as in ESO there is a very similar statue/shine. The X0-1 retcon is better covered with 76 as team tagerty had found the X0-1 prototype plans, but no signs that they attempted to craft their own set, maybe due to lack of materials or time. So to me that would leave the only pre-war suit to be in nukaworld in 4 and perhaps because the suit had not been properly tested the BOS opted not to build the suit and or the information never got to the main channels of the BOS due to the loss of communications to them witch at this point has not been restored in 76. Great videos and content, Keep it up!

[@MarrockV]

In regards to the mannequins, there's a boat you can swim out to that was carrying a shipment of mannequins and there are logs where a crew member talks about strange noises and that the mannequins seem to move when you're not looking. Now this is all pre-war info so they may not be just mannequins but it kind of removes the institut6e from the equation, imo.

[@doarner]

The Dogmeat is a Synth theory has more to support it: - Dogmeat and few dogs in the wasteland keep their fur and noses like the gorillas made in The Institute or the birds which are theorized to be spy cameras for them. - The Institute released their created dogs to the wasteland for studying wastelanders, one breed in particular known in history by tales or just name, was made exclusively to keep an eye on The Sole Survivor. - The "preserved" dogs seem to have a deeper connection with their owners than the mutated ones, from Dogmeat becoming the player's best friend to that wastelander who tried to sell another good looking dog but slowly realized he didn't want to and loved it. Perhaps is the natural connection between humans and dogs or The Institute made them to connect with their owners deeper for research purposes. - Mama Murphy could have seen Dogmeat in one of her visions or she managed to read that frequency Synths use and found out the name given to it, that's why she called it Dogmeat when first met. - This one is not real evidence since it's based on The Creation Club but Dogmeat is the only dog who can change fur color and breed with a collar, no normal dog can do that.

[@regiman222]

"We are all just prisoners here, of our own device" "You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave"

[@beans_groovin.mp4]

the thing that really sells me on father actually being shaun is that I made my character's spouse a monstrosity on multiple occasions and he got some of it, bugeye father will forever haunt my dreams

[@The-three-eyed-Prophet]

i posted this exact comment before but i think the iceberg i suspect and writte about in this comment goe´s deeper than that what i wrotte in the following i think cryptist´s in fallout are one more hint on how many conspiracy theories are not only a great inspiration for fallout but are the core of fallout lore in general ... i think the enclave wich used to work together with vaultec had real reasons to start it i believe they both started it with a few private launches that triggerd everyone else to fire back i also think vaultec leaders and enclave leaders exploited eachother for their own goals even if they have similiar goals and roots ... i believe the shadow goverment the aliens vaultec and the ancient ruins ( wich are from a ancient high tec civilisation in my opinion ) we find in dunwich borrows and many more places (like the guidestone if 76) and the ocult stuff we find in fallout 3 and 4 are all conected ... Its also very interesting that we can find replicas of the ancient face in the dunwich borrows mine in modern pre and post war washington and boston ... i believe one of the reasons they wnted the war and why they created the GECK whas to reset the world they might also have ocult reasons they might have also planed to let the storm pass while staying safe in outter space or unknown bunkers just to re emerge after a certain time to reclai the planet its hard to tell at this point what they wanted to do and what they were able to do i believe something like the great war happend before in the fallout world i believe thats why the ruins of this ancient civilisation we where hinted at are so rare i strongly believe that many conspiracy theories from our real world and things that realy happend in our real world are the inspiration for all of this and fallout in general you shoud defenitly look up the georgia guidestones from our real world and what is written on them they basicaly describe a perfect motive for the fallout shaddow goverment are thought to be made by a real world shaddow goverment wich sayed to be a doem of military industrial complex with secret budets and black projects some even say they are strongly conected with ocult secret sociatys like the illuminate wich are also sayed to be conected to stuff like the roswell ufo crash and the salvaging and research alien technology the similaritys to the fallout universe are unending ... please excuse any gramatic errows and miss spelling im a non native english spearker and this is just a very ruff summeray of the theories i have about this and its not ment to be taken as final theorie its more like a selection of suspicions and theories i have that form a bigger picture in my head that isnt completley fleshed out and wont be untill we know more after future fallout games will gradualy revail more and more ... wich will either proof or disproof some of the thoughts i wrotte down in this comment

[@turtlemaster2957]

Hotel California is one of my favorite songs of all time and New Vegas is my favorite game so I'm amazed I never pieced that together myself

[@ppmghee211]

The fallout universe is great and probably in my opinion one of the best and the community is great too.

[@ceasarcruz8312]

ftfy: was great until bethesda took over

[@ppmghee211]

That's so untrue

[@ceasarcruz8312]

@@ppmghee211 can't hear you with bethesda's deez in yo mouf boy...

[@ppmghee211]

@@ceasarcruz8312 that was so lame

[@ppmghee211]

@@ceasarcruz8312 you probably say fallout 76 is better than fallout new Vegas cause of the graphics your opinion and comebacks are bad

[@da3daluz]

Krem’s tooth, a statue of a face, and the final resting place of my first power armor frame, I hate that cave.

[@chazar338]

"Potatoes both exist and don't exist." The Fallout Conundrum. Lol. Damn Tatos.

[@lumineniananubis4161]

I'm still pretty salty that the "mothman" isn't actually a hybrid moth and person. But just an oversized moth.

[@crayonchomper1180]

23:37 "*Experimental* X-01 power armor" I believe the Enclave simply completed what was an already functional prototype design, they just brought the X-01 Armor up to their specifications

[@Msbunbun]

So glad i found this channel

[@N_orte]

thank you :)

[@theingeniousone5141]

@@N_orte how are the sallies not the same person

[@onlycorndog6322]

The Sole Survivor being a synth is a hill I will die on. I think it makes the story more compelling.

[@robinseeberg3715]

The story about the Interloper is seriously one of the coolest stories in the Fallout universe. The game might not have been great, but the lore of FO76 was awesome - maybe even the best of the series!

[@1234wowww]

If you're looking for more iceberg videos I recommend the full roblox iceberg directors cut

[@N_orte]

Idk if my body is ready for that

[@TheSpencermacdougall]

13:10 Fallout was created by interplay/Black Isl studio, Bethesda didn't get involved untill they bought the IP and made FO3.

[@user-kc2fu8iw3v]

15:40 it's just the fo4 cat situation. they're gone in one region, and ignorance makes people think they're completely extinct when all they know is their backyard.

[@googanmcboogie9307]

Impossible potato? We have handfuls of examples today where a plant, bug, fish, ect was thought to be extinct but was rediscovered decades later. NV is years in the future from 4 so potatoes have yet to be rediscovered in the Eastern US.

[@N_orte]

NV takes place in 2281. 4 takes place in 2287. NV is 6 years before FO4.

[@philtl1997]

The line where it says "you can check out any time like but you can never leave" reminds me of that end where you get locked in the hotels vault

[@XansStuff]

Fallout and Elder Scrolls sharing the same universe is not that far-fetched. The word is universe, not planet. Perhaps the Dwemer traveled to Earth as a result of using the Tools of Kagrenac. Forming ancient civilizations. One of which would be explored by Lorenzo Cabot. Some are excavated by the various Dunwich companies. Perhaps the use of the tools also gave access to Earth to the Daedra. Thus, the Lovecraft references in both worlds.

[@thepackerssmacker8188]

There is quite a bit in this vid I've never heard of. Great vid👍

[@xDakmia]

Everytime i hear wendigoon either mentioned or guests anywhere i feel like a proud dad because when I first leanred about him he only had a measly 100k so it feels good watching somebody do the stuff that makes them hgappy while being able to make money from it

[@MissSimone02]

Same! I've been watching him since he hit like 50k and it's been amazing to see his rise.

[@The-three-eyed-Prophet]

if the impossible potato is a real thing then the impossible cat is also be a real thing ... i also think cats are not synth´s because you actualy eat cat meat but you cant eat gen 3 synth meat as far as i remember ...

[@alondrus3696]

Potato’s went extinct to the worlds knowledge however in a year post war, post the east coast brotherhood’s migration to the pentagon, they were rediscovered in a small valley in California and spread like wildfire throughout the west.

[@danterodriguez03]

I wasn't looking, just listening and when you said "Pam started the war" for a second i thought of the final Pam

[@FolkorePressLTD]

There’s an episode of Twilight Zone original series called The After Hours (Season 1, Episode 34) in which mannequins come to life. The mannequin/synth theory brings me back to this episode always

[@mechwar31]

With the grenade Man story, there are actually multiple raider NPCs you can encounter across the Boston area that will tell of various different encounters with the grenade man. You have to sneak up on them and eavesdrop though, you can't just walk up and talk to them.

[@Fortune.06]

Carhenge actually returns as a hidden, unmarked location in Fallout 76

[@Slender_Man_186]

About your little retcon rant about developers “not being expected to remember every little detail,” a loading screen in Fallout 4 literally mentions that X-01 was made by the post war government.

[@Lance-The-BoS-Lancer]

It's literally doesnt, it says "pre-war"

[@Slender_Man_186]

@@Lance-The-BoS-Lancer “The X-01 series of Power Armor was *specially engineered and employed by remnants of the U.S military after the Great War,* and offers increased protection over the older, pre war models.” Nah, you’re wrong, the loading screen makes a damn near direct mention of the enclave making it after the war.

[@rolay7730]

I disagree that the retcons don't matter. Continuity is an important part of story making. Many shows hire a "continuity coordinator" who's entire job is to go through the script and remember important details. It is literally there job to know these things and catch them. Plus fallout used to have a book known as the "fallout Bible" that was supposed to help keep things straight. Sure some mistakes will get through, but that is the point, they are mistakes and should not be justified. "According to ABC News, the average chocolate bar contains eight insect parts. Anything less than 60 insect pieces per 100 grams of chocolate (two chocolate bars' worth) is deemed safe for consumption by the Food and Drug Administration." You can't stop insects from getting chopped up into chocolate anymore than you can stop continuity errors, but if I see the bug I am still allowed to complain.

[@senhowler]

Black Isle made retcons between Fallout 1 and 2, and the writer of the Fallout Bible said that the intelligent animals in Fallout 2 "all died the moment the game ended" because he hated them.

[@rolay7730]

@@senhowler The fallout bible isn't perfect, but they actually meant to change it when they made new versions. After all, the same guy who hated the talking animals wanted the psykers to all die off, so the game series didn't get too strange. It has gotten much stranger than he ever imagined since then, so it makes sense that it would be changed. I mean, do talking rats really compare to the eldritch abominations that broke into our world through radiation? Sometimes retcons are needed so that a story universe can grow and expand. Some retcons are required, like pruning a tree. You are still hurting the tree by pruning it, and doing it too much will kill the tree, but it is still needed sometimes. On the other hand, quite a few of the retcons Bethesda does seem to be from ignorance/disinterest in continuity rather than disliking a plot point and wanting to change it. They could have easily justified the power armor changes. I would even go as for as to say that it is closer to the power armor they showed in fallout 1-2. But the way power cores burn out just makes no sense. They are so common that they aren't a limiting factor past early game. So it doesn't even make sense balance-wise. My point is that I believe that having something like the Fallout Bible is important. It helps keep the world consistent until it needs to be changed. Plus, that way they decide to change something, there is a quick way to find what else needs to change in the world with it.

[@superspinosaurus1]

Are 76's creations really that farfetched considering we've had giant mutated Jackson's chameleons, hybrid coyote-rattlesnakes, and giant wasps?

[@rolay7730]

@@superspinosaurus1 I never said anything in 76 was far-fetched. I said that they needlessly changed things breaking continuity. That is my main problem, there are lots of "far-fetched" things in fallout, but they feel like they fit the story. Plus, none of those mutated animals have anything to do with the actual story problems. For example. Why make the base building canon? They actually gave each vault 76 resident a full-on fabricator that can take a few steel scrap and make guns. That type of tech was already canon with the Sierra Madre vending machines, so it makes sense that it would exist. But that still makes me question how there is so little civilization 200 years later if literally thousands of people had fabricators that could build shelters and even robot stations to do work for them. Remember the Mega bases from fallout 4? With robot armies, Laster turrets, and Lots of industrial water purifiers? They made the Tech to do that canon. Everyone has that ability now, and they made SURE that every player knew it because the introductory section of the game has cardboard cutouts that explain how they are important to the story. Speaking of the Sierra Madre vending machines, that entire DLC was about how they were amazing because surviving fabricators like that could build civilizations. He said they would be what he built his nation on. But literally, everyone in vault 76 got one before they left only 25 years after the apocalypse. As I said, it actually isn't "far-fetched" because the tech exists. It is still bad, though, because it makes no sense with how much this should change the world. As someone who is playing 76's story, my question the entire time is, " if we don't see any of these factions, they must all die off and leave almost nothing behind, right?" Everything you do in-game must not affect the future because all of the other games happen over 200 years later, and none of these factions exist. Maybe some of them will show up in the next game as small as the minutemen at the beginning of 4, but they can't be much stronger if the other games' stories haven't changed. I am currently in the middle of the gold quest, and when someone said, " with this gold, we could build a nation," I almost laughed. The capital wasteland and the pit are not that far away. If there was a government between them and Boston, we should have heard about it. So either everything the player did was for nothing, and the faction dies off quietly, or they are changing the world a LOT for no reason.

[@teogonzalez7957]

@@rolay7730 canonically Appalachia will end up a nuked wasteland due to the dwellers launching nukes.

[@masterzoroark6664]

Hotel California and Dead Money connection is in my mind plausible- since Lonesome Road also has song connection and it's Obsidian (aka Black Isle remnants) and they are known for popculture references (for Pete's Sake you can find Tardis and random Elvis painting in first Fallouts)

[@thumbbeforefingermusicplay7827]

In regards to the "You are a Synth" not sure why it is so low as DiMA straight up asks you if you are during the main quest of Far From Home. Not like you could miss it. Also I don't believe the SS is a Synth. The only Synth that has pre-war memories was Nick Valentine and even then his memories are very limited. No other Synths are shown to know about it, so it'd be unlikely that only the SS would be given such a specific and detailed memory.

[@thumbbeforefingermusicplay7827]

I think the Ghoul Whale convo was supposed to lead players to discovering the quest "Here There be Monsters" if they wanted to explore the ocean (Great video btw!!!)

[@thatscout6924]

I think dog mate is a descendant of Nate original dog he mentioned that his dog was gone

[@N_orte]

perhaps!