Fallout of the Titanic disaster

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In this video we cover the events that occurred following the sinking of the RMS Titanic. We talk about the actions of Bruce Ismay as well as the actions of the white star line. We also discuss the inquires into the disaster, the lawsuits that were filed and what the white star line did to the passengers and victims of the Titanic following the sinking.
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@johnkaczinski468
@johnkaczinski468 3 жыл бұрын
Sam… How about the history of the White Star Line from the sinking of the Titanic until it’s demise. I think that would be a good follow up to this video. Thanks!
@robertsandberg2246
@robertsandberg2246 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic idea!👍
@AGlitterQueensWorld
@AGlitterQueensWorld 3 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@copescale9599
@copescale9599 3 жыл бұрын
I would watch that
@hangmann747tinmann8
@hangmann747tinmann8 3 жыл бұрын
There is a video out there on the Britanic III, that actually covers this and her sister ship quite well
@hangmann747tinmann8
@hangmann747tinmann8 3 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3PMfZywh5edqKM
@jgatzby4263
@jgatzby4263 3 жыл бұрын
Ismay: ‘No maritime person in human history will ever have a worse ship sinking reputation than me.’ Captain Coward (Schettino): ‘Hold my mistress, hold my liquor, and hold my seat on the life boat.’
@retrostuff8976
@retrostuff8976 3 жыл бұрын
Sad but true
@johnwang4793
@johnwang4793 3 жыл бұрын
Underrated comment
@TheWPhilosopher
@TheWPhilosopher 3 жыл бұрын
I particularly like De Falco telling him to get back on the £&*6ing ship and do his job. I bet if he could have he'd have gone to the lifeboat and dragged Schettino back on board.
@OneProudBBC
@OneProudBBC 3 жыл бұрын
The Sewol Captain: Hold my students from Danwon High School.
@jordanjoestar-turniptruck
@jordanjoestar-turniptruck 3 жыл бұрын
@@OneProudBBC that one wasn't even cowardice; it was basically mass murder.
@shawnehutchison7389
@shawnehutchison7389 3 жыл бұрын
What about charging the crew's families for the dead crew members for the lost of the uniforms that the crew died in? Pretty scummy.
@kamranpal909
@kamranpal909 3 жыл бұрын
What!?, say What!? How dare they ever charge dead crew member's families with that!? those crew were heroes in my opinion they did everything they could possibly do and saved as much lives as they could and gave their lives for it and who cares about a few uniforms? I'm pretty sure they could make a thousand more more uniforms. How they never even tried to think of it this way!? I hate you White Star Line, you got what and deserved and F@#K You all !
@rzum81
@rzum81 3 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know that. I was only aware of the musicians families having to pay for their tuxedos and instruments.
@johnrondina3277
@johnrondina3277 3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking just that.
@danielueblacker9118
@danielueblacker9118 3 жыл бұрын
to say the least.
@RedOctoBear
@RedOctoBear 3 жыл бұрын
It wasn't just uniforms either, I think I remember reading that the family of the one of the ship's band was charged for the missing Violin as well.
@davidkraft314
@davidkraft314 3 жыл бұрын
This whole thing shows how shady the White Star Line really was. Sending representatives to the victims, making them sign wavers that they could not and would not sue for damages, plus sending bills to the surviving family members for the band to get compensation for the tuxes that went down with them. Absolutely horrendous.
@I.am.Sarah.
@I.am.Sarah. 3 жыл бұрын
They also asked for compensation for the lost instruments
@davidkraft314
@davidkraft314 3 жыл бұрын
@@I.am.Sarah. shady
@trevorbluesquirrel899
@trevorbluesquirrel899 3 жыл бұрын
The musicians' agency, C. W. and F. N. Black, actually sent the uniform bill, though WS didn't offer to cover it!
@carlgharis7948
@carlgharis7948 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidkraft314 in today's money that's about $700. Still really nothing especially from a company with such extra money. I mean let's say I drop you off in New York tomorrow.. you have no luggage oh here's $700. Not exactly going to really help you expecialy if you haven't any money to begin with like most if not all of the lower class did.. okay I have $47 cash in my wallet right now.. obviously if I didn't have my bank card or checkbook that's all I'd have if I were suddenly dropped in New York.. oh.. somebody gives me $700. Cool I have $747.. well if I didn't have a job or a home like thankfully I do.. just how far both literally and figuratively speaking would that get me?
@AlexRN
@AlexRN Жыл бұрын
They WHAT? WHS really tried to charge the families of the e band members for the instruments and tuxes lost?! That is the most petty thing I’ve learned about this whole thing. Did they got paid?
@Stand_with_Israel
@Stand_with_Israel 3 жыл бұрын
Did the passengers even know who ismay was at the time I feel like a lot would have only seen him as another survivor
@johnking5174
@johnking5174 3 жыл бұрын
First class passengers certainly knew him, as he was a fixture in the first class public rooms during the voyage. Some second class would know him, third class passengers had no idea.
@carlgharis7948
@carlgharis7948 2 жыл бұрын
Ya I was going to say the same thing as the other person 1st and probably 2nd class passengers most of them would of known who he is.. 3rd class well a few of them might of but likely 90% wouldn't...
@Whitneypyant
@Whitneypyant Жыл бұрын
The first class passengers yes. The second and third class passengers no. Ismay, I believe to stay in the first class area so they would know.
@User_92020
@User_92020 Жыл бұрын
The first class passengers most likely did. The passengers were segregated by class.
@fmyoung
@fmyoung 3 ай бұрын
1st class probably knew (some of the passengers and crew anyway), whether 2nd and 3rd knew him I'm not sure
@HyperVegitoDBZ
@HyperVegitoDBZ 3 жыл бұрын
Well, a 100 years later, Carnival Cruises is the deja vu of this story, minus the bribing fragment
@retrostuff8976
@retrostuff8976 3 жыл бұрын
People never learn from history
@the_rover1
@the_rover1 2 жыл бұрын
"vado a bordo, cazzo!"
@WileyCylas
@WileyCylas 3 жыл бұрын
In high school we did a play based on the trials of Ismay. I was fortunate enough to be Molly Brown.
@Allylonng1416
@Allylonng1416 2 жыл бұрын
When I was in school our teacher made a bowl of water that was as cold as that water and we could leave once our lifeboat was launched I was lucky enough to be lady duff Gordon who was out with the first lifeboat
@fmyoung
@fmyoung 3 ай бұрын
Good for you
@fmyoung
@fmyoung 2 ай бұрын
@@Allylonng1416 Oh - lifeboat #1; okay. (The very first lifeboat to be lowered was actually #7 the one which took William T. Sloper who reportedly dressed as a woman which he truly never did)
@EffequalsMA
@EffequalsMA 3 жыл бұрын
I love how genuinely surprised and innocently appalled you sound with the actions of corporate psychopaths. Nothing has really changed in the intervening 108 years....
@EffequalsMA
@EffequalsMA 3 жыл бұрын
@Andreas Glad sadly evidence for corporate psychopathy and lack of concern for human beings abounds. Where do I even start with exemplars there....Tesla, Amazon, Flint water, etc. etc. Corporations that abuse customers, employees don't get a free pass because they supposedly create jobs...oh wait, they actually do, in the main. Tax breaks, bought and sold politicians, special contracts. It happened in 1912 but, it's reached a master class of perversion today.
@jameshudkins2210
@jameshudkins2210 3 жыл бұрын
@@EffequalsMA Don't feed bad behavior. Don't hold their stock. Don't accept or retain their employment. Do not patronize their business. Make other arrangements. Then you can complain. Then you won't need to complain. Some people talk as an excuse for inaction.
@taraswertelecki3786
@taraswertelecki3786 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, a whole LOT has changed, for the worse.
@EffequalsMA
@EffequalsMA 3 жыл бұрын
@@taraswertelecki3786 Yeah, from Robber Barons to Tech Czars. The wealth disparity is worse now than it's been at any point since the Middle Ages.
@janfranklin5269
@janfranklin5269 3 жыл бұрын
@FatalPies kiddy fiddlers are amomg the good ones though. Nothing wrong with kiddy fiddling
@kay2h714
@kay2h714 3 жыл бұрын
I love all your videos, but this was one of the most interesting of them all. I wish more people would watch this one. I’ve watched tons of videos on the Titanic, and this episode was one I had no idea about. The horrible actions of the White Star Line following the disaster...terrible.
@lady_v3nus
@lady_v3nus 3 жыл бұрын
I always thought the same; "Ismay was a coward. What a piece of 💩. It was all his fault" But after hearing you, I feel really bad for him. Yes, he died the night Titanic sank
@lady_v3nus
@lady_v3nus 3 жыл бұрын
@@Thelawofficesofjameslarrasmith He wasn't the only. And yes, maybe he was a coward. But like him, many people did. And people treated him like shit just for be the president of th white star. Sir Duff Gordon payed for can get into a lifeboat
@HyperVegitoDBZ
@HyperVegitoDBZ 3 жыл бұрын
@@Thelawofficesofjameslarrasmith Yep, because you would have stayed lol
@laylaleannejepson7
@laylaleannejepson7 2 жыл бұрын
@@lady_v3nus apparently he paid them because they stopped being paid after Titanic sank. But I know there's rumours he paid as a bribe not to go back for anyone else. None of us would know for sure as we weren't there xx
@thegoodsisjas
@thegoodsisjas 2 жыл бұрын
He was the reason the ship was steaming at full speed, at the end of the day it's the captains decision, but he persuaded him to going that fast to try to beat Olympics record. He put everyone in harm's way for profit. In his mind knowing this he still saved his own life and you and Sam feel sorry for him? Lol ok
@MrMirville
@MrMirville 2 жыл бұрын
Actually Ismay might have staged the whole sinking on the orders of bankers who wanted to get rid of many fortune owners on board that opposed the setting up of the FED that was to be signed soon.
@Bernie28Ing
@Bernie28Ing 2 жыл бұрын
Sam your videos are not only educational but when you add your personal beliefs it shows what kind of person you are. You care and in this day and time that is rare. Thank you for sharing the history and thank you for putting your heart and soul behind it
@hangmann747tinmann8
@hangmann747tinmann8 3 жыл бұрын
WOW, I've been watching you during this Titanic run, I have been surprised thus far with your "being ok" with so many issues of that night. But WOW, to see you with emotion finally toward the BS of the WhiteStar line was so cool!
@kaisertrinityt.m.i.s1607
@kaisertrinityt.m.i.s1607 3 жыл бұрын
yesterday was Robert Ballads (the one who found the Titanic) birthday. He really did something very good and impressive
@fmyoung
@fmyoung 3 ай бұрын
Robert Ballard's you mean yes
@fmyoung
@fmyoung 2 ай бұрын
He was the right person to lead the expedition to find the wreck
@stephenhemingway8218
@stephenhemingway8218 3 жыл бұрын
you forgot to mention about sending bills for clothing to deceased members of staff and crew. and also stopping the pay when the ship went down
@ScatteredCollector
@ScatteredCollector 3 жыл бұрын
4:55 Ismay died mentally and spiritually the night Titanic sank - thats a very powerful statement and one I personally agree with
@AGNETWORKFC
@AGNETWORKFC 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic Video Sam. I’ve got to say I’ve been a Titanic enthusiast since a very young age and your channel is exceptional in terms of your deep knowledge and the brilliant enthusiasm you have for the subject. I’ve sent a couple of other titanic enthusiasts your way. Keep up the fantastic work!!
@carrot5703
@carrot5703 3 жыл бұрын
Some people say that there was a ship named Samson near Titanic but it ignored the distress signals. Do you believe in this?
@jokekopter2509
@jokekopter2509 3 жыл бұрын
Actuly yes if you sleep on work
@vodka2432
@vodka2432 3 жыл бұрын
Hey name neighbor!
@Noo11094
@Noo11094 3 жыл бұрын
That is trrue
@WalterKehl-p7s
@WalterKehl-p7s 2 ай бұрын
That wasn't the Samson that was the Californian. Some of the Californian's defenders, the Lordites, assert that the Samson was around and allegedly hunting seals but hightailed it out of there when she noticed "other ships". First, the Samson was in Iceland at the time (not even the Mauretania's mighty turbines would've got her there in time for the show); second, seals don't venture that far out into the sea from land.
@WalterKehl-p7s
@WalterKehl-p7s 2 ай бұрын
@@jokekopter2509 Are you from Hungary? Or Hungarian? I just couldn't help noticing the emblem next to your handle :-)
@glennh3855
@glennh3855 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video. People need to appreciate the how British social norms in force at that time impacted the situation and decisions. Seeing and hearing the passion on your face and in your voice when discussing the actions of the White Star Line's actions after the sinking made me appreciate your work on a whole nother level. Well done!
@elizabethbryan6543
@elizabethbryan6543 3 жыл бұрын
I love watching these videos. I have a hard time relaxing. So I watch one.
@Stand_with_Israel
@Stand_with_Israel 3 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah I literally asked for this video a few days ago Love seeing a KZbinr that listens to the fans
@miliiflowers
@miliiflowers 3 жыл бұрын
I'm watching this wearing my new Historic Travels hoodie! Sooo excited to finally have it, such good quality i'm in love with it ♥️ So now there is Historic Travels merch in Argentina 😅
@michaelchristman2329
@michaelchristman2329 3 жыл бұрын
I have a What if Scenario(s): What if the iceberg damage stopped at boiler room 6 and did not open boiler room 5 and it coal bunker to the sea? 2 What if Titanic's crew had collision mats to drape over the damaged section of the hull to try and staunch the flow of water into the ship?
@stfjinkiojd
@stfjinkiojd 3 жыл бұрын
For the first one, it's possible that the ship could have survived with a small starboard list and the bow slightly pulled down or the sinking would have taken a lot more time, allowing the Carpathia rescue more people.
@amymorgan1844
@amymorgan1844 3 жыл бұрын
KZbin suggested a video a week ago and I immediately got hooked and have been binge watching ever since. I don’t think I ever learned this much about anything in such a short period of time. 🤷‍♀️
@HistoricTravels
@HistoricTravels 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you like my content :)
@mikececcon6503
@mikececcon6503 Күн бұрын
@@HistoricTravels there’s a video about J Bruce Ismay’s inquiry
@mikececcon6503
@mikececcon6503 Күн бұрын
@@HistoricTravels you can also buy Titanic Artifacts
@Thankingyou1
@Thankingyou1 Жыл бұрын
This is an excellent video but I would like to see more about the passengers that survived and what the rest of their lives were like. Their occupations, their marriages, their children, their descents and what they are doing who are alive to this day.
@opo6206
@opo6206 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve kinda been stopping to watch your videos because I am doing other history topics and I recently came back to your videos and realized how good they are.
@JRNarian
@JRNarian 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly love your videos and your presentation style. You have such a good, compassionate heart.
@sallykohorst8803
@sallykohorst8803 2 жыл бұрын
Boy I am glad to hear more of after arriving in new New York. Thanks so much
@stt5v2002
@stt5v2002 3 жыл бұрын
There is only one thing worse than being hated and thought of as a coward. And that’s freezing and drowning. Well actually there are many worse things than people not approving of you.. But freezing and drowning is definitely on the list. Near the top.
@stewoe7157
@stewoe7157 3 жыл бұрын
Well, I think I'd choose the latter. Rather than having to live with the fact that more than a thousand people died because your company didn't put enough life boats on the ship, and on top of that was going too fast, with your knowledge.
@RaptorJesus
@RaptorJesus 3 жыл бұрын
@Tyler Peterson Wait. Why? They own the ship, they aren't involved in the workings or captaining of it. They just paid for it, as in literally, they paid for it. They don't build, or run or so on anything regarding the ship. They'd be just as much a passenger as you are.
@1993digifan
@1993digifan 23 күн бұрын
@@stewoe7157 Aw, that's so cute you actually think with the time and technology that Titanic had that they could've actually evacuated everyone off of the ship. You DO know that the last two boats FLOATED away from the ship? So with 18/20 being successfully launched what the hell makes you actually think 40 more boats would've made a significant difference when you consider? You actually think with the steady decrease in deck crew and with them having to MANUALLY lower the boats, that in less than 2 hrs they could safely get 60 off? Please do apply your super special math skills to show how with less than 2 hrs they could TOTALLY safely launch 60 boats, with the number of boats being the ONLY variable that changed. Going "too fast" would imply there were rules for how ships were supposed to run while in the Labrador Current in spring, but there wasn't. Out of the dozen or so captains asked how they would act in an ice field, the ONLY one that said he would slow down was a person who regularly went into the Arctic Circle, the rest said they would try to speed their way out of it, so that they are you know out of the field quicker instead of spending more time in it. Also the CAPTAIN has final say in what happens on the ship, not a passenger no matter who it is. If a captain is too weak to overrule or deny the wishes of a passenger, they had no business being a captain in the first place.
@LDDavis911
@LDDavis911 3 жыл бұрын
I remember watching a documentary a few years ago that said the families of crew killed in the disaster were sent bills for the lost uniforms. Does anyone recall that? Great video by the way.
@paulboger7377
@paulboger7377 3 жыл бұрын
The band leader's wife was sent a bill. I don't think it was paid though.
@trevorbluesquirrel899
@trevorbluesquirrel899 3 жыл бұрын
The musicians' agency, C. W. and F. N. Black, actually sent the uniform bill, though WS didn't offer to cover it!
@beneddiected
@beneddiected Жыл бұрын
@@paulboger7377 *fiance
@davinp
@davinp 3 жыл бұрын
I finally got the book On A Sea of Glass. It arrived 2 weeks after I order it. I saw my local bookstores, Barnes & Noble and Books-A-Million at the mall do not have in stock on the shelf, so I had to be ordered online
@Nugget_man7269
@Nugget_man7269 3 жыл бұрын
@packadd it’s good very much reccomend
@mattt233
@mattt233 3 жыл бұрын
It's on Kindle if you have one. Just FYI
@Nugget_man7269
@Nugget_man7269 3 жыл бұрын
@@mattt233 who the actual fuck has a kindle
@mattt233
@mattt233 3 жыл бұрын
@@Nugget_man7269 I read a lot but no room for books so I have it to read. But I do believe audible is available on iPad as well. Just saying it's available on digital too. You don't have to wait on shipping just download it and start reading.
@southernbyways2513
@southernbyways2513 2 жыл бұрын
@Davin Peterson I used to manage a Books-A-Million. On A Sea of Glass is published by a UK publisher, so, unless the book is a mega bestseller, no store in the US will stock it. I don't recall us stocking OASOG when it first came out.
@FoxMcCloudV2
@FoxMcCloudV2 3 жыл бұрын
You should do a video about the MTS Oceanos sinking in early August, since that will be roughly 30 years after the incident.
@tomcameron96
@tomcameron96 3 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see the court documents that are available to have a look at. Keep up the great work. 😊
@retrostuff8976
@retrostuff8976 3 жыл бұрын
Can you fine the original transcripts from the inquiry ?
@one_degenerated_ontarian
@one_degenerated_ontarian 3 жыл бұрын
That scene of Ismay getting death glares from the surviving passengers is pretty powerful. Theres lots of scenes deleted from the movie that should have been left in (yes I know the movie is already pushing three hours)
@douglasgriffiths3534
@douglasgriffiths3534 3 жыл бұрын
It was over 3 hours. I wish they put a DVD with all the deleted scenes in with the movie. Maybe they'll do that with the 25th anniversary edition next year (if there is one). (Jan Griffiths).
@trevorbluesquirrel899
@trevorbluesquirrel899 3 жыл бұрын
They had to cut out a bunch to keep the 1912 parts exactly 2 hours and 40 minutes long!
@rahulsharda3577
@rahulsharda3577 3 жыл бұрын
That's why they say that humbleness and humility are better, because even if some people dislike you, those who still believe in you testify their genuineness. Plus one gains more maturity by practicing humbleness and humility. Running away or acting smart is only an axe on the foot.
@SnowWolf597
@SnowWolf597 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think any of the survivors deserved any backlash for simply surviving. It's a human instinct. I'm sure things were different back then or maybe there wasn't as much information about it or something. But I am glad that there were survivors since they have brought valuable information about the sinking, which in turn led to more lessons learned (and fascinating stories).
@JeffreyBarkdull
@JeffreyBarkdull 2 жыл бұрын
If I was head of White Star Line, I would still pay compensation to the Victims whether it was my fault or not
@DD-sw1dd
@DD-sw1dd 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine waiting in the US for a family member and reading all those stories. The initial trauma, shock, and disbelief. The hope when news reported everyone survived. Then the initial shock, trauma, sadness re-emerging when the news changes. Disbelief sets in as you refuse to even read the news anymore as you wait on the Carpathia. That disbelief becomes grief when the truth sets in. Then anger. Then acceptance.
@Maritime_History
@Maritime_History 2 жыл бұрын
I'm here from the live stream happening today. Sorry for the copyright claim. If you need help, you have 67 thousand people backing you up, including me.
@loganrodriguez5383
@loganrodriguez5383 2 жыл бұрын
Probably 67k because some people forgot they subscribed
@stampede122
@stampede122 3 жыл бұрын
Basically, Ismay had an character assassination (unfairly) in the aftermath
@0mally13
@0mally13 3 жыл бұрын
YOU DA MAN, SAM ! ! ! ! THANKS FOR ANOTHER INTERESTING VIDEO AS USUAL. I can't even fathom the amount of research you must have to do to tell these stories...🙏🏼 nothin but props my friend 👏🏼
@anthonymccray460
@anthonymccray460 3 жыл бұрын
You are awesome! I love your content. I just discovered you and love what you do. Thank you! I am now a subscriber and loyal fan,🤗
@dugarooo
@dugarooo 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Sam. Derek Mahon wrote a poem called ‘After the Titanic’ which describes some of what you said from Ismays POV. I found it interesting and worth a read 😊
@jamesmiller6217
@jamesmiller6217 2 жыл бұрын
These videos and the narration is brilliant. I’m captivated.
@michaelbujaki2462
@michaelbujaki2462 3 жыл бұрын
This video was almost perfect, it just had to be 2 seconds longer.
@whovianhistorybuff
@whovianhistorybuff 3 жыл бұрын
Why?
@michaelbujaki2462
@michaelbujaki2462 3 жыл бұрын
@@whovianhistorybuff So that it could be 19 minutes and 12 seconds.
@whovianhistorybuff
@whovianhistorybuff 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelbujaki2462 Aaaaah 1912 I get it now
@JACCO20082012
@JACCO20082012 2 жыл бұрын
This is a good topic. I've always wondered what those first few days after the sinking were like for the White Star execs. What must those conversations have been like as they realized the ship was not only gone but that it had taken so many people with it. Keep in mind too that WSL was a huge company in the Guilded Age. The thing with the tickets and paying off passengers in the hospital was just standard practice for a big company back then. That's part of the reason labor unions gained so much popularity and why we have organizations like the BBB now. You can't fault WSL or Ismay for doing what was standard practice then.
@brainsareus
@brainsareus 3 жыл бұрын
Many people, not me; find it easy to call a person a coward, yet, they could never know what they would do; until confronted by an unfolding catastrophe. There but for the grace of God, go any of us!
@i.b.640
@i.b.640 Жыл бұрын
Right. There is a reason, why "women and children first" was a relativly New directive then. A few decades before it was the more honest "every man for himself"
@Thankingyou1
@Thankingyou1 23 күн бұрын
This disaster was a combination of several factors: Lack of sufficient life boats, sub-standard rivets in the hull, the coal fire weakening the steel, moving at night through the icef field, lack of binoculars and arrogance regarding safety.
@lisad476
@lisad476 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent topic. I never thought about what happened afterward
@ClearTrackSpeed
@ClearTrackSpeed 3 жыл бұрын
This is a great video, curious about what else was changed as a result of the Titanic disaster
@davidmanley9437
@davidmanley9437 Жыл бұрын
I love watching your videos. You have done extensive research on the content, and continue to make them interesting. I have learned much from them, and am very pleased that someone so young has done His homework to make them factual. Keep up the good work
@lilakatze
@lilakatze 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sam! You are the best!
@chriscoghlan7225
@chriscoghlan7225 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam, I got an interesting hypothetical for you.. What if the Titanic struck the iceberg during the day? Everything else is the same bar the time of impact which let's say was twelve hours earlier or later. I believe the biggest difference would have been in the response to her SOS as more operators would have been on duty aboard nearby ships. Plus would there still have been a mirage effect at sea?
@TheWPhilosopher
@TheWPhilosopher 3 жыл бұрын
I think Sam answered the mirage one. Yes. However it would have been more obvious and they may well have seen first of all the iceberg anyway and or indeed a miraged iceberg, possibly ironically, even sooner as it may have curved up over the horizon. Ergo they might have stopped or changed course even earlier than they might otherwise needed to have. As it was with everything dark separating out what should be normal and what was the mirage was harder and the iceberg may have miraged but would have simply looked like more dark in the sky. All round whilst the weather was calm it was actually a perfect storm of events coming together. Scary as it may be to people sometimes things come together in ways we cannot predict or appreciate or prevent. Titanic was one. For example the moon was at its closest for almost 1200 years so helped increase tides which pulled the ice floes and bergs more south than normal. Sam may be able to do some digging but iirc by trying to save the ship Smith doomed the ship and thus I don't blame Smith. I think there was ice to the NORTH of where Titanic had been. Expecting more ahead he went SOUTH where normally it was less or none. However due to the abnormal tidal forces a channel gap was actually ahead of Titanic's original course as the ice normally there had separated further and thus was on their new course actually worse. As seen by diagrams of Titanic versus Californian positions. Titanic ended up at the middle of this pack of ice while Californian further north at tip of it decided to sit it out. Really was just everything coming together. Smith only real fault was never doing the evacuation drill. First the efficiency might have been increased. Secondly this may have delayed the ship long enough the warnings had more time to reach the wireless/for the operator to catch up on delayed messages/wireless to be fixed earlier. Other than that Smith's questioning seems overly harsh on numerous occasions. As Sam says the waters looked calm, peaceful, flat and you could see for "miles" there is no reason to slow down. You think you've adjusted course to miss the ice. The scene from the bridge confirms this assessment. He'd probably get into trouble with White Star if it was reported he wasn't cruising fast enough and he certainly wasn't at top speed. Near but not top. Anyway getting a bit long I've digressed.
@bigbussylips3354
@bigbussylips3354 3 жыл бұрын
My paternal great grand parents are from Denmark and actually sailed over to America a week after the titanic sank. They saw titanic debris in the water.
@ChickVicious237
@ChickVicious237 2 жыл бұрын
That must have been quite a sight. Thank you for sharing
@lifewithcarrie88
@lifewithcarrie88 2 жыл бұрын
How sad 😢
@the_rover1
@the_rover1 2 жыл бұрын
if they had stopped and happen to pick it up, you could be millionaire today!!! oh, that was rude, I get that.
@xNobodyOfConsequenceX
@xNobodyOfConsequenceX 2 жыл бұрын
My mom's grandparents came from Denmark just before WW1.
@42LGK
@42LGK 2 жыл бұрын
@@xNobodyOfConsequenceX my parents came home from greece yesterday
@MaverickGamingVideos
@MaverickGamingVideos Жыл бұрын
I love the videos, I am a huge fan of history, the titanic is one of those stories I have overly study cause I am fascinated by it, and your videos were a fresh take.
@gailwatson4927
@gailwatson4927 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the information Sam. It is so sad.
@Stand_with_Israel
@Stand_with_Israel 3 жыл бұрын
You should do a video on what it was like to be on the titanic before it hit the iceberg Like what kind of things were there to do, what was the food like, what were the rooms like, where did the passengers shower, did they shower? Pretty much what was the typical day for a passenger like
@jillfratis8004
@jillfratis8004 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam!!! I hope you’re doing well!! So excited to see your channel take off 😁
@Wolfric_Rogers
@Wolfric_Rogers 3 жыл бұрын
When the Britannic II was built, its new central expansion joint was positioned right in the middle of the ship and the aft expansion joint was repositioned to right in front of the #4 funnel. This was likely due to many survivors saying that the ship broke "right down the middle" and "abaft the after expansion plate" and WSL wanted to make sure that Britannic definitely wouldn't break apart.
@laylaleannejepson7
@laylaleannejepson7 2 жыл бұрын
I love your videos. I have Been watching them alot as I'm new to your channel 🙂. You make the topics you're talking about interesting and that's not something just anyone can do. Thanks for another great video. Xx
@simongleaden2864
@simongleaden2864 3 жыл бұрын
13:55 English law now prohibits such disclaimers of liability in transactions with individual consumers. It must have been cases like this that led to the change in the law.
@jasonweiss2773
@jasonweiss2773 3 жыл бұрын
I think an inflation calculation is pertinent here. Survivors on the low end were seeking half a million dollars each, what they ended up with was equivalent to $25,000 dollars each. The dollar value of a lost loved one is immeasurable. The amount of the settlement for some was more money than most would ever see, and a pittance for the more wealthy that were lost. What I've come to realize through years of following and studying Titanic is that it was no one's fault, it was a terrible accident that wasn't accounted for beforehand and White Star did as much as possible without becoming insolvent. Some things were scummy, but only after the fact. We learned lessons and made headway in improving safety. You have no idea how you'd react unless you have lost someone under similar circumstances. I think all parties did what they could to.....right the ship.
@shahancheong9792
@shahancheong9792 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Sam, great videos. Avid Titanic fan here. You mentioned once, I think, that you were going to do a video about the dogs on the TITANIC. Did that ever happen?
@skywardguy9081
@skywardguy9081 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam! You have GOT to read the book of transcripts of the Titanic inquiries! You just can't get the real witness' stories without reading exactly what the survivors experienced in their own words.
@fmyoung
@fmyoung 3 ай бұрын
15:41 That's really well said "just how low can you get"
@yah5690
@yah5690 3 жыл бұрын
don't break that new Olympic model
@fmyoung
@fmyoung 3 ай бұрын
And don't try to beat the Olympic
@chrispixx
@chrispixx 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting video, what I find really interesting is the clip from the Titanic movie of Ismay on the Carpathia, walking right behind him is Chef Boyardee, who was on the stern of the ship with Rose and Jack when it sank. Which means he went into the water but somehow he survived. I guess something only james Cameron can explain.
@kerrymay6725
@kerrymay6725 2 жыл бұрын
This is true; the chef did survive. James Cameron depicted what the chef says occurred that night
@Rose19127
@Rose19127 2 ай бұрын
Charles Jougin
@threefistbanddrummer4185
@threefistbanddrummer4185 3 жыл бұрын
Cant wait to see your new model next to her sister ships bro. Happy it came
@fmyoung
@fmyoung 3 ай бұрын
tyvm Sam by the way for this addtl video I like all the usual detail
@jonny-simulation-gamer
@jonny-simulation-gamer 2 жыл бұрын
sam watching you videos and eating popcorn is the best
@shawnkeith1164
@shawnkeith1164 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam, Josiah here. I LOVED the video! 😊🚢
@jevinday
@jevinday 3 жыл бұрын
That deleted scene from Titanic is VERY powerful, thank you for sharing that with us Sam! I had never heard of the poor man before this video. So thank you once again for your awesome. I curse like a sailor (fucking trust me hahaha) but I love how you have kept this channel family friendly. I'm just about your age (I'm 29) and even though I saw the James Cameron movie for over a decade i STILL didn't understand the pride and honor a liner like the White Star Line until I found your channel. I love it!
@douglasgriffiths3534
@douglasgriffiths3534 3 жыл бұрын
I wish there was a DVD included with the movie containing all of the deleted scenes. There was a lot cut out of the movie. At least an hour was cut out. If a DVD was available, I would def buy one. (Jan Griffiths).
@trevorbluesquirrel899
@trevorbluesquirrel899 3 жыл бұрын
@@douglasgriffiths3534 They had to cut a lot out to make the 1912 part last exactly 2 hours and 40 minutes!
@hippapodacow8087
@hippapodacow8087 3 жыл бұрын
I discovered this channel yesterday. I have slept and watched these, someone send help.
@paytonmanning1109
@paytonmanning1109 3 жыл бұрын
You give me major TheReportOfTheWeek vibes. Love. It. 😂💜
@SubconsciousTales
@SubconsciousTales Жыл бұрын
I have become addicted to this channel. 😊
@celebrityxcruises8087
@celebrityxcruises8087 3 жыл бұрын
The video length is 19:11 Just like the year 1911 I love IT
@Genwellness
@Genwellness 3 жыл бұрын
On your titanic exhibit Orlando Florida I live in that area so I’m gonna go check it out sometime be really cool
@paulboger7377
@paulboger7377 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video. The White Star Line were using the law trying to get out of paying out victims, typical behaviour!! As for Ismay, the public needed a villain to vent their anger and disgust at, there he was, and his actions and the company's actions cemented it. Sam, I know I have asked before, could you do one about all the search attempts before Dr Ballard's discovery of the wreck? Including the alleged sonar discovery by the RN in 1977.
@Namkhai_de_Combaillaux
@Namkhai_de_Combaillaux 3 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video thank you keep up the great work !
@nightshift8249
@nightshift8249 3 жыл бұрын
Sam, as a fellow Titanic buff, this channel was made for me! Would you consider a video exploring the theory about iceberg damage to the bottom of the hull during the collision ?
@leoargent4206
@leoargent4206 3 жыл бұрын
I think the Hans Hedtoft would be a good subject for a video, assuming you can get any concrete data. It was Denmark's Titanic, and I'm not just saying that because it had a large loss of life; "only" 95. what makes it so interesting is the frankly gobsmacking amount of parallels with Titanic. I won't give it all away here, but I think it's a story worth bringing to the masses.
@self-advocacychampions1117
@self-advocacychampions1117 Жыл бұрын
Some of the newspapers about the sinking of the Titanic show pictures of the RMS Olympic instead of the Titanic.
@forgottenplaces9780
@forgottenplaces9780 3 жыл бұрын
Do one on weather titanic would hit the iceberg if it stayed at full speed and not engines in reverse.
@foxstarline4997
@foxstarline4997 3 жыл бұрын
Great Video as always!!!
@fmyoung
@fmyoung 3 ай бұрын
... and thus it was that instead of a grand brand-new liner New York Harbor was presented with the totally anticlimactic sight of 13 tiny lifeboats. What a shock
@danielkarmy4893
@danielkarmy4893 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know, I've defended Ismay in the past but didn't know about any of this - and, I hate to say it, he does paint himself as a bit of a coward with the messages and the attempt to escape, and for giving the go-ahead (because he obviously would have done) for the despicable actions that were taken after the event. It's his company after all, a company is only as good as the person in charge of it, and, well, the White Star Line made themselves look horrific, so...no, no, I still won't blame him as much as the general public did at the time, I still can't condone the smearing Hearst orchestrated so brilliantly. I know I've made mistakes I wish I could undo, and so have we all, and I genuinely think Ismay was killed by his mistakes throughout this tragedy as you say. Those who didn't make it through the night were spared the torture that he was forced to endure, and he had to endure it for another 25 years. He served his life sentence, and in that way, perhaps justice - as cruel as it sounds - was done.
@ToreDL87
@ToreDL87 2 жыл бұрын
Ismay took a step back from a lot of the decision making after the disaster. Also have to remember that White Star Line was on their own, while Cunard had government backing to build huge liners all day, in addition Hearst had it out for Ismay (which accounts for many biased and outright untruthful reports on White Star Line practices as well). It's hard, even for me, to imagine Ismay being completely absolved of many of the scummy White Star Line practices, but again, they didn't have government backing and had to save money somewhere, that doesn't excuse many of the things they did, but they'd soon very well be out of money if they threw it around like candy.
@MrBaritone38
@MrBaritone38 4 ай бұрын
@@ToreDL87 White Star Line were not alone, JP Morgan owned the company as part of the International Mercantile Marine Company (IMM)
@jackackman9806
@jackackman9806 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! I'm a historian of Titanic, not nearly to the extent you are, but this is something I never wanted to know. But glad I do, thanks again.
@fmyoung
@fmyoung 3 ай бұрын
Here's why the Titanic's story will never die: (1) she was the world's biggest movable man-made object of her day, (2) she excelled in luxury, (3) she was on her maiden voyage (of all voyages), (4) there were many celebrities of the day on board, (5) there was already a lot of talk about all her features before she was ever launched (including the whole "unsinkability" talk), and (6) the Titanic is the first ship in living memory to be sunk by an iceberg. The Titanic shall always be in our minds despite herself; unlike the ship itself, the story remains unsinkable
@itsme-sn5gi
@itsme-sn5gi 3 жыл бұрын
Were those people who signed those contracts in hospital able to sue after, or did they just have to accept the $25?! Surely the courts would have known that those contracts weren't legitimate?! P.S really good video Sam love your channel!
@DibIrken
@DibIrken Жыл бұрын
I hope so. One of the oldest laws regarding contracts is that both parties must be of sound mind (not sleepy, not insane, not drunk, etc.) during the signing of the contract. Not before or after, during.
@aliinlondon
@aliinlondon 3 жыл бұрын
Laudably passionate, dudey dude :) Many thanks, as always
@MHGdeO
@MHGdeO 3 жыл бұрын
For chrissakes JE Smith had been previously involved in another collision on the same type of liner (Olympic) cause of his negligence. His retirement was long overdue. Not to even mention the negligence of the Marconi staff by shutting up the only vessel nearby who was ONLY trying to help by warning them of a nearby ice field. Who cares they were tired. It was their job. So, they fixed it, and they were told not to. Thanks to it Bride saved himself! Sam, sometimes it seems you’re trying too hard to excuse the negligent actions taken by the Titanic’s crew. They were plain negligent. And the fact they carried out their job is nothing outstanding. Twas’ their duty.
@thegoodsisjas
@thegoodsisjas 2 жыл бұрын
Right?!
@1993digifan
@1993digifan 23 күн бұрын
If Evans had added MSG (Master Service Gramme) to the front of the message it would've marked it as IMPORTANT to give to the bridge, but he did not so from their perceptive he was casually saying they had stopped because of ice in the area. If Evans HAD prefaced the message with MSG they WOULD'VE taken the message to the Bridge since it was marked as MEANT for the Bridge instead of sounding "Yo, 'tanic, buddy We like stopped for the night, 'cause the cap hates all the ice 'round up. Bummer". You do know that Evans was the only operator on the Californian, so no fucking shit he went to bed in the middle of the night when they aren't going anywhere, hell even in the inquires he said he took no offense to Phillips "snapping" at him (Oceanliner Designs did a whole video on it). You DO know that sleep is important? Plus if the 3rd Officer had thought the rockets were important he should've woken Evans up to check it out. You do know people can also be woken up if it's deemed important enough? Also you should try understanding the ACTUAL job of the wireless operators. For one they WEREN'T employees of White Star, they were employees of Marconi and according to Marconi, their priority was sending PASSENGER letters, "weather reports" would only be sent to the Bridge if they were marked for the Bridge.
@corneliucirja429
@corneliucirja429 Жыл бұрын
Hy Sam, thanks for everything. I have a question, White Star did get anything from the insurance company? Thank you very much!
@Ferg13
@Ferg13 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. Very very low of Ismay and WSL to do that. I had no idea about the statement on the tickets that the company wasn’t responsible for this or that. Just sad. Talk about trying to cover their butts. Every company does this but it’s really really sad that they tried even with that many loss of life. Also to the people who wanted to come to America to have better lives lost whatever they brought with them and that wasn’t a lot either. This makes me more upset about WSL and Ismay. Like you Sam. I don’t blame them for the sinking like I used to until I started hearing what you had to say. IMO. What they tried to do was just as bad as the disaster. And the money that was rewarded? Not even close enough what the survivors should have got. They had to live out the rest of their lives having that memory stuck in their head. PTS. Very interesting video. Thanks Sam.
@Rose19127
@Rose19127 Ай бұрын
I totally agree with you and Sam. I'm disgusted by what Ismay signing his name backwards Yamsi. The victims of the Titanic disaster should've gotten in their suits against the WSL. I'm disgusted by what WSL manipulated the patients in the hospital for the families of patients of the sinking of the Titanic and they got manipulated for not suing WSL and pay them £25. Ismay should fess up and face the music of his actions. WSL was dirt and slime buckets. The survivors and their families should've gotten more!!!Ismay knew everything about the Titanic !!! The survivors will live with the memories of that horrible night and they'll have PTSD for the rest of their lives!!!
@MrDcar12
@MrDcar12 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Sam. Great job on the videos. Love your content and so informative. I have been a subscriber for a couple months now and always miss the live chat....damn....lol...but I have a video idea...I know you hear that all the time. I ran across something that I don’t think you have covered before. What happened after the Titanic. What became of the survivors. What all changed with over seas transportation? Lightoller and Dunkirk is the show I ran across that sparked that interest in me. What happened to the survivors how did they get on and go about life? I’m going to research things like this on my own but I think other people would find this interesting also. Some people like to be entertained and learn something at the same time. You do this very well....thank you. Few people will follow through and do research about the after. Just an idea. Keep up the good work. Thanks again. Dan.
@fmyoung
@fmyoung 3 ай бұрын
Lord Mersey was tough during the inquiry proper but his report according to quite a few was very restrained. "It was colorless timid and cautious" they complained and they added "We had expected more backbone in Lord Mersey"
@YisuiChaos
@YisuiChaos Жыл бұрын
Could you do a video about the inquiry that happened after the titanic sunk? I can’t seem to find any good content around that. I wanted more timeline details about what happened during the inquiry and what the testimonies were.
@falcon664
@falcon664 3 жыл бұрын
According to Ismay's US testimony, he had no knowledge of a US inquiry until Franklin met him in NY. Ismay's marconigrams were very open of his intention to transport himself and the crew back home to England. There were no Marconigrams to Ismay on Carpathia that said anything about an inquiry. The Titanic was a British registered ship, Ismay knew there would be an inquiry by the British Board of Trade. The US had no legal jurisdiction and Congress had to pass a resolution to authorize the inquiry. Ismay had no knowledge this was all happening. Therefore, I'm not sure he was "sneaking away" but Hearst made sure to make it look that way.
@fmyoung
@fmyoung Ай бұрын
Well he signed those messages of his with sth other than his real last name and with that he showed he wanted to slip away before America could start any investigation . There were no marconigrams to him on the Carpathia no; the US wanted to catch him by surprise upon the Carpathia's arrival in New York. The Carpathia was heading to NY so the disaster did eventually involve US jurisdiction; that's why Sen Smith was successful in forming his subcommittee .
@heatherariza8463
@heatherariza8463 2 жыл бұрын
From what I've heard from so many experts on the Titanic, Ismay may have actually been told to get into the lifeboat. He also helped load lifeboats, ensuring that many survived the evening. He would have just been one more body if he had not gotten into the boat. He also would have had no reason to think that he should have to stay in New York so it isn't unreasonable to think he would want to get home quickly to take care of things with the company and get the employees home as well
@Master_Blackthorne
@Master_Blackthorne Жыл бұрын
As managing director of the White Star Line, Ismay had the last say of how many lifeboats the Titanic carried. He thought they should carry room for less than half aboard. Although the British Board of Trade mocked the Senate inquiries headed by William Auden Smith, they were in a precarious position as a member of the BBT certified the Titanic fit for travel after viewing the number of lifeboats before she sailed. Lord Mersey who headed the BBT inquiriny said that if Ismay had not stepped into the lifeboat he would only have added another number to those lost. However he told Ismay that the humblest immigrant had more right to a seat in the boats than he did.
@fmyoung
@fmyoung 3 ай бұрын
April 10th is a day to remember, and April 14th-15th is "A Night to Remember"
@coughcough9794
@coughcough9794 3 жыл бұрын
I just got back from school this is amazing!
@fmyoung
@fmyoung 2 ай бұрын
It is as are not only Sam's other docs but tons of others on the Titanic (and other stuff too). We should all be super-glad that we get to watch all this stuff for free :-) .
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