Fanatec GT DD Pro v Drive Hub & CSL DD in GT7 - Testing & 5nm v 8nm Power Pack Compared

[@karacric95]

Thanks Ham for the fantastic video. I wanted to update with my experience. I know how difficult it was finding the answers to this question. I recently bought the CSL DD during black friday sales (couldn't justify the extra price for the GT DD Pro). Ideally I wanted a setup that would be compatible with PC, PS5 and XSX. I have the Mclaren V2 wheel, the clubsport shifter SQ V1.5 the CSL ELite V2 pedals. With my PS5, I basically just wanted to play GT7 in PSVR2 with the setup. So I bought the drive hub AND NACON Wired controller to go with it. With a PS4 you DON'T need to plug a 3rd party controller, you can just plug in the ps4 dualshock controller and it works fine. With a PS5 you need to plug in a secondary 3rd PARTY controller (hori mini wired controller is what everyone recommends). If you plug in a normal dualshock or dualsense controller, it'll only work for about 7-10mins before disconnecting everything. The Hori Mini Controller in my local area is stupidly expensive for some reason in my local area and I took a chance with the Nacon Wired Playstation controller for cheap. That works perfectly and the disconnects don't happen. I've played for 4 hours straigh with zero issues. THe CSL DD motor itself will have to be run in compatibility mode (yellow light). You probably also saw online that you have to run the WHEEL in 'Fana-Logic' mode (Mode 2 which simulates a Logitech G29 in GT7), otherwise the game 'slows down and loses frame'. THIS IS NO LONGER THE CASE after you update teh drivehub. . You can run it in the MUCH BETTER 'Fanatec' (Mode 1 which simulates a CSL DD Pro Wheel).They fixed it with an update and now you can get the much better feedback that comes with 'Fanalogic' mode without losing time or performance. Conclusion the drivehub with a Nacon wired controlelr/Hori Mini Controller works PERFECTLY with a CSL DD on GT7 with a PS5 in fanalogic mode. I can't compare it to the FFB you'll get with a DD GT Pro, but for the difference in money, i'd say it's worth it. My setup with the CSL DD, mclaren wheel, pedals and shifter + drivehub/nacon controller will work with everything now (PC< PS5 and Series X). It was also MUCH cheaper than buying the GT DD Pro. If you're thinking about taking the plunge, I say do it, especially if you can save a good chunk of change.

[@vbxileyv9779]

So do you need the drivehub to play gt7 on ps4 with the csl dd? Trying to figure whether it’s worth spending the money or not

[@karacric95]

@@vbxileyv9779 yes you do. The good thing is you don't need a separate 3rd party controller with the ps4 (unlike the ps5). You can just plug your normal dualshock into the controller USB port on the drivehub for the security bypass.

[@Michelsen3K]

That's super helpful friend. Thanks alot for sharing. ❤

[@KahL1One]

This is a fantastic updated sub review here! Thank you for this update on the drive hub update with the CSL DD. Jumping into that pool very soon coming from PC SIM Racing

[@Masterr-K]

I have the CSL Elite V2 pedals and they don't work with my Drive Hub. Does it work with yours and do you have the pedals plugged directly into the Drive Hub?

[@HamVR]

Update: In the video tested with Drive Hub 2.0.8 Beta 8 Firmware. I've since tested with 2.0.8 Beta 9 and I can confirm that it now detects the wheelbase as GT DD Pro rather than CSL Elite and shows the official GT7 wheel picture. However the coloured thumbstick buttons on of the official GT7 wheel (with Fanatec Firmware 6 & 7) still don't appear to work. In the GT7 wheel Firmware 7 you can now select your own custom FFB profiles in native PlayStation mode. I also compared the same custom FFB profile via Drive Hub and native to the PS5, and they feel completely diffferent. Drive Hub feeback friction felt 2x higher than GT DD Pro native using the exact same wheelbase FFB settings. Therefore trying to compare these using the same wheelbase FFB settings doesn't really make sense IMO.

[@CGC0.1]

Because the native dd1 playstation version sold out everywhere , then i purchase the dd1 with the drivehub 2 month ago , it works perfect . Just curious does it worth to spend another 1800 for the native F1 Wheel for PS5 . Also is it possible change some setting on the CSL Wheelbase to make the feeling get close to DDpro ?

[@HamVR]

@@CGC0.1 if you play a lot of PlayStation driving games and you have Fanatec pedals it might be worth the swap if you can sell your DD1 for good money. If you mostly play PC, probably not. You can get quite close with settings in Drive Hub but I think the FFB refresh mode is higher (250Hz) with native PlayStation. Not sure what Drive Hub FFB refresh is.

[@JohnSdigi]

You said the FFB of the DD pro vs CSLDD/Drivehub felt completely different with same settings and mention friction. Do you mean the drivehub is amplifying the signal strength only? Or are details different as well? We’re you able to tune both wheels to drive properly and it’s simply a need to tweak settings, or is the drivehub signal worse overall and in need of updates. The more info we can get Podger the better 🍻

[@HamVR]

@@JohnSdigi You can tweak Drive Hub to be close to native PlayStation general feeling but it still feels like there is less detail with Drive Hub. I suspect the refresh rate is lower with drive hub. The dynamic range seems lower too.

[@JohnSdigi]

@@HamVR I’m wondering if you’d be able to tell in a blind test. Hoping it’s just a matter of firmware being optimized for GT7/PS5. Fingers crossed 🤞🏻

[@Tugennov]

Thanks! Too bad Fanatec is charging a lot more for the PS compatible Pro model than the standard DD.

[@RCarpeDiem83]

Are there any significant differences between using these on PS4 vs using them on PS5? Are the consoles identical in their sensation/response delivery?

[@mpa1931]

Any recommended FF settings in CSL DD + 8NM w Drive Hub to get it as close as possible with the native GT DD Pro feel?

[@HamVR]

I was using this with my CSL DD + 8nm setup on drive hub v2.0.8 Beta 8 SEN: 900 (adjust depending on car) FF: 100 FFS: PEAK NDP: 38 NFR: OFF NIN: OFF INT: 2 FEI: 100 FOR: 100 SPR: 100 DPR: 100 In game I had feedback strength 4 and sensitivity 3. You could try boosting in game settings to 5 and 4. I think the main difference is the refresh rate, the GT DD Pro native refresh rate is 250Hz via direct connection to PlayStation. I don't know for sure, but I think Drive Hub is running a lower refresh rate.

[@mpa1931]

@@HamVR Thanks I will try this out!

[@fokalang1385]

Great vid👍 interesting but my csl dd 8nm+drive detected as CSL DD Pro in game , dnt know how it works, but on drive hub version 2.07 it was detected as csl elite, on latest beta it detected as dd pro and ffb is different, try to do a test on latest drive hub beta(pardon my bad englisch btw) 😁

[@HamVR]

Interesting I was using v2.0.8 Beta 8. Maybe in Beta 9 they have added support for the GT7 Wheel Rim? I'll have to check that out and report back. Update: I've now tested Beta 9 and although the wheelbase is detected as GT DD Pro the coloured thumbsticks do not appear to function via Drive Hub.

[@JohnSdigi]

@@HamVR I’m on DD2 detecting as DD Pro. I did see Podger(Drivehub) posting on GTPlanet about the latest betas have been to address the issue of DD’s being detected as a CSL rather than a DD. Could be the detection was fixed but your buttons are having issues. I’d let them know. Also, mine initially detected but with the buttons different so I couldn’t select brake balance. I just went in and reassigned them. Check that too. How does the wheel with drivehub feel compared to the DDpro without drivehub, now that it’s detected properly?

[@w9s992]

does the csl dd with driver hub feels like a t300 or g29? in gt7

[@zebulon824]

Hello, I have since many years a Drive Hub with many wheel and since 2019 the DD2. So you confirm even if Drive Hub is good you have a better FFB with CSL DD pro in native mode. That logical but thank you for this kind of test :)

[@steve_ire321]

I have a CSL DD with the Drive Hub working off my PS5 with the Universal Hub V2 (not the clubsport hub). My issue is with GT7 is that I can't map the funky stick on the hub so that I can use fuel maps in indurance races. Does anyone know how this can be done, or how you can get GT7 to switch to the Podium wheel base presets and keep it there, as it just defaults back to the DD Pro for me, and the layout on that is completely different to the hub I have.

[@darkeldar1970]

Hi the drive hub it's still active? Any firmware update on the way?

[@HamVR]

I believe its still working. I haven't tried mine since I switched to the GT DD Pro. Check out the GTPlanet forums is your best bet www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/drive-hub-racing-wheel-converter.358306/page-100

[@jirkadolezal8127]

Hello, may I ask how you found that the display that shows the speed is working for you? it doesn't show anything on my steering wheel connected to the ps5. thank you very much

[@TABerven]

I have a DD2 + HEpro through drivehub. Wondering if a DD1PS4 will be a better option, then to use the pedals I still need to plug the wheel through drivehub, and the wheel in the controller port (following drivehub wizard) . Will FFB be passed through, as the wheel was directly connected to the PS4/PS5 ? Or is it possible to have only pedals through drivehub ?

[@HamVR]

I tried this a while back. Drive Hub is seen by GT7 as one device and you can't split wheel and pedal input between two different devices (as far as I can figure). If you plug a PlayStation compatible wheelbase into DriveHub it will still re-emulate it, rather than pass through direct wheel control. So switching your DD2 to DD1PS4 won't be worth it unless you use Fanatec pedals that plug into the wheelbase and ditch Drive Hub altogether.

[@TABerven]

Thanks. Maybe a future firmware update could allow "passthroug" like this.. 🤔 Very niche ...

[@TABerven]

@@HamVR I asked earlier collective minds the same question, yesterday they replied that drivehub passes throug native PS4 wheels ffb. 🤔 Maybe there was an update, not so much documentation on this.. So I will give it a shot as anyway, going aprox brake even between DD2 sale and DD1PS4 buying. 😜

[@leyenda93]

Hello!! I have a question, the rpm leds light up but the speed indicator on the rim screen does not, I have a csl dd with the granturismo ddpro rim, I need help

[@goonie1975]

Can you do a test with the DD PRO in the Drive Hub Wheel port vs Drive Hub Controller port vs direct connection to PS?

[@goonie1975]

Beta 11 and 12 firmwares also out, I think 12 is targeted at the CSL DD

[@mrmidnight32]

Wow I thought the CSL DD Pro was just the package it came with. I didn’t know it was different in any way from the CSL DD

[@mitcheighty1354]

It's not except the pro is compatible with ps. The dd is exactly the same when you use with pc or xbox

[@charliezhang6545]

Hi there, If DD PRO's GT steering wheel is used with my DD1 base with Driverhub. Can the function keys on the steering wheel be used in GT7?

[@HamVR]

If you are referring to the coloured thumbstick buttons, then no up to Firmware 2.0.8 Beta 9. I don't know if there's been any more updates since then to fix it though.

[@HnRJack]

Hey thanks for the review. As the gt dd package with the wheel is now sold out, I am thinking of buying the gt dd base on its own and using a regular fanatec wheel (not the gt wheel). I have heard the gt dd does it’s force feedback etc settings for ps5 via the wheel, do you think I will miss out on any settings by not having the gt wheel on my gt dd or is the settings all available in the menus too? Thanks

[@HamVR]

Hey I've used the McLaren GT3 V2 and Clubsport RS wheel rims with my GT DD Pro on GT7. There's no problem accessing FFB settings via those wheel rims and overall they work great. What you get with official GT wheel rim is direct access via the coloured thumbsticks to TC, Brake Balance, Torque etc. However you still access those settings with the none GT wheel rims with an extra button click.

[@HnRJack]

@@HamVR thanks for the info, this is hard to find online! All the best

[@loopforwhile]

Awesome video. Sim racing noob here, on the DD pro with 5nm, do you feel the curbs and shifts through the wheel like you do on the controller?

[@HamVR]

Hi yes you can feel track texture, curbs, weight shifts, tractions loss (this varies car to car) when steering goes light on the GT DD Pro. On the PS5 (not PS4) controller the adaptive triggers are very good where the accelerator and brake triggers adjust in stiffness and vibration according to load. I don't recall getting ABS haptics on wheelbase like you do on the controller, so that's plus one to the controller. Overall though, I would say you can be much more precise with your inputs on a wheelbase compared controller though. Keep in mind if you've used controllers for many years it will probably take you a few weeks to get use to wheelbase and pedals unless you've done a lot of driving in RL.

[@reviewforthetube6485]

So do you need drive hub with the new dd pro 8nm version? Just wondering or can it work without it? So if im correct you are sayin ghte csl dd pro the regular 5nm one would be atronger then buying rhe 8nm one with drive hub? So in other words if i bought the 5nm ps version and got the 8nm boost pack it would be much stronger then the other full 8nm? Just wondering if i got the 600 dollars 8nm one without the wheel rim that one wouldnt be as good? Im wondering if the 600 dollars wheelbase I can use it without drive hub? Ok so i can buy the 8nm one and use it native? Just wondering. I want to get the 8nm one but i dont eant to use drivehub. Oh i see! You had the 8nm pc version one and needed driver hub@ gotcha now they have a native 8nm one so im guessing it should feel like the native 5nm would with a boost pack natively correct?

[@MoElf]

Hi I have csl dd with drive hub on normal mode because with fanalogic mode i can not get full speed online sport mode Do you think good upgrade to gt dd pro and i will see different on speed on sport mode online ? Thx

[@HamVR]

Hey I think you are describing the slow down issue with earlier Drive Hub Firmware. If you upgrade the Drive Hub firmware to v2.0.8 Beta 8 or Beta 9 that should solve the slow problem. To update the Drive Hub firmware see links below.. Latest Firmware Download at the bottom (Windows & Mac) www.drivehubnow.com/drive-hub-support Drive Hub Beta Firmware install instructions short video kzbin.infoXEQgv4BqAnY

[@MoElf]

@@HamVR thank you i will do and see But i told you slow speed only in fanalogic mode and wirh normal mode work fine

[@HamVR]

Oh sorry I assumed you meant it slowed down in Fanatec mode, for me Fanalogic mode has always been fine without slow down. I've not done many online races in GT7 yet though. Getting the latest Firmware is worth a try anyway.

[@r4lfaglipa]

So no need for hori controller for csl dd with drivehub?

[@lincolnklayvr]

Very informative , my thumbs 🤣🤣🤣

[@HamVR]

haha I was wondering if you would spot that 😂

[@azzazz4549]

I've always wandered about how the two differ. Is it a good idea to get a DD2 with drivehub to use with PlayStation . . .

[@HamVR]

Drive Hub is a pretty good option if you don't want to swap your existing wheelsbase. Some people are using it with the GT DD Pro anyway so that they can use none Fanatec pedals. If you are planning on getting a Podium level wheelbase for use with Playstation I would probably just go for the 'Podium Racing F1' edition wheelbase that has native PlayStation support rather than DD1 or DD2, assuming you are using Fanatec pedals like the V3s

[@azzazz4549]

@@HamVR yeah, I have the v3's. Did you also update the firmware on the drivehub . . .

[@HamVR]

@@azzazz4549 Yes I'm using v2.0.8 Beta 8 in the video. I've since tested v2.0.8 Beta 9 which presents the wheelbase as a GT DD Pro however the coloured thumbsticks on the GT7 wheel still don't seem to work yet.

[@Dave062YT]

Do you think the up coming Thrustmaster DD will work on ps using Drive Hub?Been dying to see it launched but now I hear it's ps only and I race on both

[@DeePunter]

Great video! Would u compare these two on Xbox X ?

[@HamVR]

I would but I only have PS5 and PC currently.

[@randomguestname]

If the DD Pro is plugged into the controller port on the Drivehub without the Hori, does the detail feel like the CSL DD or DD Pro? I'm curious if you still lose detail if you want to still use the Drivehub to use non-Fanatec pedals.

[@HamVR]

The GT DD Pro only works in the Wheelbase port, it doesn't function at all in the controller port.

[@randomguestname]

Did you try it? I've heard from a Podium F1 DD owner that they don't have to use a controller when using their Drivehub. They're using the hub to use Heusinkveld Sprints. I'm heavily leaning toward cancelling my V3s, but am undecided if I should get a DD1 or the F1 DD.

[@grahamkelly8662]

Would gt dd pro 5mn wheelbase, be good enough for me on Ps5, considering I don’t want mega forcefeedback? I’ll be buying a bunch of Fanatec wheels, to connect to it. CSL elite/Wrc, formula v2.5, etc. Oh and I can fit any Fanatec wheel to any of their wheelbases?

[@HamVR]

The 5nm works well with the smaller light weight wheel rims e.g. GT, WRC, McLaren GT3. For bigger heavier wheel rims you might at that point want to upgrade to the 8nm, to make them feel as responsive.

[@rayeasom]

If you like a lot of force feedback don’t wrap your thumbs round the wheel; sure way to get your thumbs dislocated.

[@robbiebaker0409]

I just got my Drive Hub yesterday and set it up with the latest firmware but for some reason there's an issue in 'Fanatec mode'. When racing online in sport mode my car is very slow. Switched to Logitech mode and it works fine! Is there a reason it doesn't work in fanatec mode? Also the game seems laggy in fanatec mode compared to Logitech mode??

[@HamVR]

Hey yes I had the same 'slow down' issue at first in fanatec mode with GT7. You need to install the latest Beta 8 firmware and that fixes it 👍 Latest Firmware Download at the bottom (Windows & Mac) www.drivehubnow.com/drive-hub-support Drive Hub Beta Firmware install instructions short video kzbin.infoXEQgv4BqAnY

[@robbiebaker0409]

@@HamVR thanks mate, where can I get the beta 8 firmware?

[@HamVR]

@@robbiebaker0409 Take a look at the second link in my previous comment, it shows you how you select the Beta firmware.

[@robbiebaker0409]

@@HamVR sorry I didn’t see the links! Thanks mate I will try tonight 👍🏻

[@JohnSdigi]

The drivehub was causing FPS to drop to 30 along with stutters. They resolved this with new beta, but I still get a rare wheel glitch.

[@Rontonsoop]

tried using CSL DD/McLaren gt3 wheel with TM T-LCM via USB on drive hub (2.0.8 Beta 9) on Xbox Series X and have had a horrible time trying to get it to run stable. In Xbox mode and plugged into Controller port, its horribly unstable with disconnects happening in a few minutes and in compatibility mode and a wired controller, it fails and i lose all control over pedals and wheel in about 5-10 minutes. have you experienced any of these issues on PlayStation? at this point I'm faced with the reality that ill have to drop more money and go the Fanatec pedal route to have Xbox compatibility. Drive Hub support basically said support for this combo on Xbox is not often requested and since CSL DD is not fully supported, good luck and try compatibility mode.

[@HamVR]

Interesting I don't have an X-box to test but on PlayStation I am using the Hori Controller since that doesn't have Bluetooth which can cause problems. Does you Xbox controller have Bluetooth? Maybe there is a cheap none Bluetooth Xbox controller you could try. Like you said getting Fanatec pedals might be easier option.

[@calebwright2849]

Iv had no problems with mine (I'm on PS4) I'm strictly using it to use a fanatec shifter with my already PS compatible Thrustmaster t300. Also did not notice any difference in ffb quality but it has been a while so I may try back to back with and without drivehub and see if there is a difference in ffb strength and quality. Was very easy to set up and use the first time, everything just worked no set up really other than updating firmware. Wonder if your having a connection problem in the usb port or somthing? Idk. I'm looking to get a DD and would love to save by getting the csl dd over gt dd but idk yet.

[@abedalraoufassi3850]

hey , do u put the csl dd base in pc mode or pc comp mode. it only works for me pc comp mode, and i cant toggle between fanalogic and fanatec mode :( . any idea? cheers

[@HamVR]

Hey yes current Drive Hub only works in PC Compability mode. To toggle between Fanatec and Fanalogic mode you need you hold the share and options button on your PS Compatible Fanatec wheel. Check out my previous Drive Hub video kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6rViGihmtOWbM0

[@abedalraoufassi3850]

@@HamVR bro i have noticed some brake flickering on my v3 brake set when steering my wheel on csl dd. all updated and connected to pc via usb. any idea? flickering is about 4-5%

[@suddonlee4326]

Cheers! 🍺

[@ivan-j4l9x]

Hi is this still a viable option in 2024? Has newer firmware improved the performance? Has the strength and the feedback improved?

[@steve_ire321]

I can confirm that it is, and that the feedback works like the native DD Pro on Fanatec mode now.

[@Dutch_Chucky]

Time to recreate the video as gt7 dropped a update for ffb XD

[@RyderUwU]

nice vid but your microphone has a very high pitch to it which hurts and makes it hard to watch

[@freshane]

Any update on which fw works best? I have a csl dd with wrc wheel and am getting wheel wobble if the wheel is perfectly centered. I think the latest fw for the drivehub is 2.09 and there was a 2.10 beta. They all had wheel wobble. My wheel also shows up as a g29. Tried the compatibility and pc mode. Nothing seems to get rid of it.

[@HamVR]

If I remember from lat time I tried it was the FEI setting that was giving me the most wobble. Try turning that down. I've tried the very latest firmware though, I might check this out again soon.

[@freshane]

@@HamVR ok thanks I also messaged drivehub to see what fw they suggest. Do they give any info out on what each fw includes?

[@eMOTION11]

@@freshane hi, wondering if you have any update on this? I am planning to get a DriveHub for GT7, does any update fixes the wheel being other better wheel than G29?

[@freshane]

Hey I didn't really look into it too much since then I kind of just dealt with the wobble. It might be slowing the car down when it does that cause your having to keep it slightly turned so it's not perfectly straight. It only wobbles when the wheel is perfectly dead center. I recently got a psvr2 and was getting the wobble when I tried it. I was on the newest beta fw. I'll have to mess with it a bit and find out which fw works. I did email them and they said to try fw 2.10.1-beta 2. Can't remember which one I was on.

[@freshane]

@@eMOTION11 replied but forgot to tag u. Let me know if you find out anything. Cheers

[@韩晨-s2m]

DRIVEHUB and CSL DD connected to Ps5 for 15 minutes and the steering wheel became unresponsive

[@jirkadolezal8127]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@DeejayJeanP]

My Drivehub stopped working with my CSL dd. Hori pad and wheel completely freeze up after 10 seconds of driving.. Super shit

[@HamVR]

Ah man.. Have you tried reflashing the firmware to another version. Also could it be a bad Hori controller.

[@2_Bike_is_Life]

You should really be more structured when doing a comparison/review. That plus a proper final conclusions. Watched twice and I still have no clue what is better, at what comparable settings, 5nm vs 8nm, your criteria for measurement or the pros/cons of each. Remember, the DriveHub was part of the solution, but wasn't covered. One more point of feedback; If you are presenting as a competent reviewer, please don't turn on track aids. If you know this game well enough to review the tech, you don't need them and you lose credibility with the viewers.

[@HamVR]

Thanks for your feedback. I don't dwell on Drive Hub very much here since I have covered this in a previous video here kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6rViGihmtOWbM0 The reason this video is unstructured is due to the nature of it being purely before and after game play commentary. I wasn't sure if I was going to use the video footage, however a few people have asked me how they compare and I felt the footage helped attempt answer that question. Yes Drive Hub is good, but the GT DD Pro feels like it has cleaner and more immediate feedback. In the video I also comment on other aspects of the setup that I thought viewers might also be interested in i.e. the GT7 specific wheel rim buttons (that don't work with Drive Hub), the different power packs 8nm v 5nm with the GT wheel rim and compatability with accessories (e.g. gear shifter and handbrake). The track assist were left on from previous races on tracks I don't know very well. In terms of comparable FFB settings the game was set to FFB 10 and Sentivity 3 when using the 5nm powerpack. The GT DD Pro wheelbase FFB was set to 'A-Set' which is as the game developer intended and is a unique setting on GT DD Pro for GT7. The CSL DD is using my best CSL DD settings (100 FFB Strength) I use for ACC on the PC. Since I can't determine the 'A-Set' settings I thought it would have been pointless to go through my ACC settings for the CSL DD.

[@Gaming-Legends007]

Track aids …are you serious 😂 you should be looking at driving aids, which affect the driving and fbb, ABS, TCS are the norm for most sim racers, with steering aid twcs off. He says he likes the game not know it, most people use track aids until they get to know the track.

[@Adz187]

It makes me laugh because the G29 is better than both the wheels lol

[@yaaaw5895]

Lol you dont know what you are talking about, g29 is shit