Fanatec CSL DD | Which Power Supply Should You Get ?

We test the Fanatec CSL DD with both the 5NM low power supply and the 8Nm High power supply in Assetto Corsa talking about the differences between the two and how it affects the driving.
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[@jgagnier]

8:10 Let's move over to the 8nm power pack, and *torque* about how that *drives* . GG GM.

[@Nords_e87_130i]

Hm, not entirely sure if this was really intentional in the vid, but with James it could be... Anyhow, nice play of words!

[@mkaleborn]

Very well described and communicated the different sensations we can expect with each power supply. I can feel as well as 'visualize' what you mean in terms of having a better connection with the car with the 8nm PS. I have the GT7 DD Pro on order with 8nm and the LC brake. Coming from my trusty old Thrustmaster T150 belt setup, it's going to be a real treat to reconnect with my driving sims on the new rig.

[@stingerbean1848]

Take my advice with a pinch of salt but I would recommend first not getting the power supply, then check whether you like it or not and if you want more, order the boost kit later because it won‘t make a difference in price, neither in a bundle nor in the single wheel base options… because 150€ is a steep price to pay and if you are good with 5Nm, don‘t go for that money, save it on another rim or else

[@bigboyjohn-k2f]

you are absolutely correct my guy

[@thomgizziz]

@@bigboyjohn-k2f Are they though? If you are wrong you are out 50€ because the price difference is only 100€ if you get the upgraded one.

[@ace.m4]

Maybe it was like that back then, but now you do save 50€ if you buy it in a bundle. Im not sure but i think i will buy it with the boost kit

[@OnceHopefuL]

@@ace.m4 but you don't get the 5nm they just send you the 8nm only

[@mrmim0x173]

@@OnceHopefuL why would you need the 5nm if you have the 8nm ?

[@M4rkV3n0m]

'working with the vehicle...' I know EXACTLY what you mean. It is when the immersion of visual/audio/FFB gains critical mass. :)

[@illiteratethug3305]

If you've never driven Assetto Corsa with a good wheel and the FFB settings set up perfect, can I also recommend Highlands Long, with a La Ferrari. It's a good feeling when you nail it all perfectly

[@deadlybladesmith3093]

Highlands Long is such a good map

[@TheGeekZone]

You can buy a 3rd party power supply to drive the 8NM for much cheaper than Fanatec sell it. I would always recommend buying the 5NM model and getting the 3rd party supply later. You have the added benefit of having a backup if one of them dies to get you by in the meantime.

[@sadwhcs]

Thank you. You just saved me 100€

[@Wootts007]

Exactly!

[@seanpope-mccarthy8316]

im about to buy my first set up where would i find this third party power supply

[@plug2788]

DONT GET IT IT COMPLETLEY BROKE MY WHOLE SETUP BASE RIM AND PEDALS AND IT VOIDED MY WARRENTY TOO

[@murfenator82]

This information was not something Id heard from another channel! The idea of stronger forces being more like you working with the vehicle is a great knowledge. Thanks!

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Hope this video was helpful for you and thanks for all the new subscribers! Here is my store link if you want to support this channel whilst buying kit - :➤ My Fanatec Store link: UK/EU goo.gl/zLmvKQ - USA tinyurl.com/uf39s843

[@BurtRanch]

Great video, as always. I was going to buy the 5NM before watching this, but now I think the 8NM is definitely worth the extra $$. Do you have an affiliate link for those of us across the pond in the US? Or will you still get credit if we use the link above that takes us to the EU site?

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Same link should work thanks 👍

[@testthepest6259]

@@GamerMuscleVideos Can you give some hints about the new RRforcefeedback? Oh, and by the way I'AM the real Egghead.

[@andycarroll4897]

What FFB settings do you use for AC? Gain, Kerbs, ABS etc.... Do you have a screenshot of what you use?

[@TheDeadman14]

Coming from the Logitech G29 on iRacing, really don't need the 8NM Power Pack, be much happier for the normal 5NM Base and that way I know it won't tear up my Playseat Challenge lol

[@Silvermanav]

While I understand your opinion, I believe most youtubers missed the point of the low power supply. In my case I’m upgrading from a g27 and I simply can’t afford the 8nm + csl pedals + a gt wheel. It’s either the 8nm pack without the upgraded pedals or the complete package. Some of us sim racers don’t have the choice and I thank fanatec to have had the courage to replace the csl elite with an affordable DD. It’s alright if it’s not on par with a DD1 which I will never be able to afford anyway.

[@brandos.2566]

OMG I can't wait! Pre-ordered mine this morning!

[@ponas9767]

I also did do you know when your going to get it?

[@harryeyre1322]

@@ponas9767 I predordered it too and got no notice on when I’ll get it but fanatec said they will star shipping in the third quarter of the year which is between July and September. I’m guessing 1st and 2nd wave buyers will get priority but I can’t imagine anyone getting theirs until late July at the very very earliest. I hope I’m wrong

[@ponas9767]

@@harryeyre1322 i got confirmation from fanatec that the first and second wave will be getting thiers between august and september. The third wave will be getting theirs between oktober and november. Personalrum i Will get mine in mod oktober

[@sergi7610]

Be careful guys, this package with rim and pedals is around 1.000€... For a litle more money you can get an authentic powerful DD

[@ponas9767]

@@sergi7610 no because if you buy a dd1, dd2 or simucube you still have to buy pedals and a rim aswell so it will cost around 1500-1700$. Whilst i bought pedals+rim+base+high power pack for 850$. Thats half as much.

[@theboyrobuk]

As always full of useful information and little bits to chuckle at, well presented GM.

[@malikmartin]

Already have a DD1 but James is always articulate when talking about FFB. May buy this for my bedroom rig when I can get my hands on a PS5

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Hopefully they do a PS5 version with wheel and pedals like the CSL-E wheel they did

[@RedLP5000S]

I will be getting the DD 8NM PS version once it's available. This thing is a game changer.🤘🏻

[@From33to77]

The csl dd is my first wheel. I still use the table clamp with my table. And 5nm is well enough for me, coming from the pad. I would however buy the 8nm pack if I get a rig

[@mountaindew267]

I couldn't stand the table clamp that fanatec designed. I don't think it could even handle the 8nm without pulling its self off the table. And there's just so much flex too. I 3d printed my own stand that's little more than a wedge with t-nut slots and holes for clamps. So much better. And in the DIY spirit, I've got a power supply coming in for $50 that I'm going to put the proper connector on and run 8nm. Should run cooler than the $150 pack from fanatec too since it has an aluminum body for heat dissipation.

[@wwjnz9263]

I broke down and went with the more powerful power pack. I want to feel that this is an upgrade over my Fanatec CSR wheel, afterall; this is 5nm more powerful than the CSR.

[@MikaTarkela]

I'm receiving the CSL DD 8nm with the LC brake next week. Can't wait to test it!

[@cocosloan3748]

But OFC AC is a best SIM ! AC -girl here Excellent content this 2 videos ! TY 💗

[@dimakor5914]

Every sim has its own strength. Project Cars 2 has the best representation of actual races, AC has the best mods and Forza 7 has the best car selection. I play mostly Forza because I like production cars and old race cars, and PC2 and AC (especially ACC) are all about boring modern race cars.

[@env3ee]

@@dimakor5914 Production cars and old race cars are available in vaster quantities in ac because of the mods. All the new engine tweaks, enhancements, graphical mods rivaling that of skyrim, the extended physics and now scripted mods really make it the top tarmac racing sim if you're on PC and have a full rig; it just ticks the most boxes. Seriously, the mods are insane; my AC folder alone is 313gb. ACC is the one that's all about those "boring modern race cars",and it does it the best since its a dedicated GT3/GT4 sim.

[@dimakor5914]

@@env3ee I don't like modern pure race cars because they drive like some arcade racing game. Super stable, almost no suspension play, traction control, ABS, safe behavior similar to Golf GTI... Boring. But switch to formula 1960s in Forza 7, you will work your ass off just to stay on the road, barely. This cars are beasts. And there are many cars like this in Forza 7, almost none in PC sims.

[@env3ee]

​@@dimakor5914 AC, ACC, RF2, Iracing etc are the real driving simulators made to mimic irl racing, complete with good physics, suspension etc; pro drivers use these sims to maintain skill... And you can turn off the traction control and ABS but why would you, those exist in the actual race cars.(just go with older cars without the TC and ABS) Forza, gran turismo, f1 etc are great games but are closer to the sim side; still very much has arcade elements. AC with extended physics and tweaked FFB is probably the best tarmac racing sim out there; Nico Rosberg uses the game for his track guides

[@AndiMon64]

150€ is really too much for a power supply...

[@saml.s2907]

I'd be interested in a test with a third party power pack against the one that fanatec offers

[@davidpovey01]

So long as a PSU of true 180W or greater is used there will be NO difference, all it has to do is supply 7.5A @24V. (A *very cheap* PSU may not be a true 180W or able to deliver that power for long periods but there is nothing special about them)

[@RedLP5000S]

You will void the warranty.

[@BazippysVideos]

@@RedLP5000S I guess my question is how would they know. I've ordered on the normal psu and will upgrade at a later date

[@avgvstvs96]

@@BazippysVideos maybe they record the power levels and will know if its been at a higher wattage without record of sale or connection to the fanatec brand psu. im sure they have some way, but i hope we can figure it out bc I'm not paying that much for a damn power supply that doesnt even make a quarter of the power my platinum rated computer psu makes for half the cost... i hate those little tricks and scams, why not just sell the damn psu at a fair price or let people use their own. screw them

[@BazippysVideos]

@@avgvstvs96 I thought that, but its possible and not illegal to borrow your friends upgraded power supply whilst he isnt using his wheel. Its entirely possible to buy a second hand one at some point etc. They wouldnt be able to prove it wasnt a fanatec power supply by recoding power levels.

[@philliumo]

So, I've watched several reviews of this wheelbase at this point, and most of them spend most of their time comparing the CSL DD to the bigger flagship wheelbases. And while this is really flattering for the product, it doesn't tell those of us who have never used them, or any DD wheelbase for that matter, much. Point blank, is the 5nm version of the wheel worth upgrading to from a midrange gear/belt drive wheelbase with an eye to get the 8nm PSU a few years down the road?

[@brandonwallinger1518]

Yes. Simply, yes. Disregarding the ffb, the smooth feeling you get with the csl dd is worth it alone over gear driven bases. I went from driving with a g920 for 3 years to the 5nm csl dd and have never been happier. Tracks feel much more detailed with the bumps and change in camber of the road, the progression of force with speed is really good for feeling the weight of the car and the grip potential. I play acc and dirt rally 2.0 mainly, I sweated a stage on dirt for hours with my g920 to achieve a semi competitive time. I jumped on with my new wheel and went 10 seconds quicker around that same stage after just a few attempts. It’s night and day for performance, it’s night and day for enjoyability. IMO, just get it. If u want more down the line (like me) then u can spend a bit of money to get the higher power supply, as u say. It’ll feel like a massive upgrade and you definitely won’t be disappointed :). Also I’ve never used a dd base before, only my gear driven g920 and now this.

[@lawrencenenninger1607]

@@brandonwallinger1518 I too am having the same experience from a g29 to csl dd. So much more detail even with the small power pack. Just fantastic fun

[@brandonwallinger1518]

@@lawrencenenninger1607 Glad to hear man! I've since got a full on rig with the csl dd + boost kit and I love it to bits! Even more detail and Asseto Corsa now feels proper legit :)

[@Squale37]

Excellent and very useful test as usual. Assetto Corsa is the perfect sim to do that. Thanks much.

[@rxw5520]

The sensation of you working with the vehicle happens in real life too with these Porsches and bmws that have incredible balance. Once you learn the limits they almost drive themselves. Thanks for the vid I’ll be trying this one.

[@matthewcoleman8267]

They should just sell it with the High Power Power Pack and reduce the price to £450 and be done with it.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

I'd like that as well but at the same time having a 350 version gets to a much more mass market price point and makes people buy a CSL DD that would otherwise maybe go for a TSPC but with the advantage they can upgrade it later.

[@jgagnier]

I think Fanatec's strategy is sound. 1. It's designed down to a price, and 350 looks better on a sticker than 450. It allows people to say "hey, my T300 cost me 350!", and while it's of course not a fair comparison, it'll still hit home with a bunch of people. It's sim racing's version of Sony's "$299" speech. 2. A lot of people won't care about the extra torque, they're happy with 2-3nm, and it allows them to save a pretty penny. 3. It allows people on a budget to buy the unit now, and upgrade later. It's good for people on a tight budget, for people who aren't sure about their purchase, and people who are convinced they don't need more to upgrade later. We all know how that works - when I started in the hobby, I thought FFB rather than vibration looked like a gimmick... and here I am now, with three wheel bases, and contemplating a third pedal set. 4. It fits with the Fanatec ethos of customization and modularity.

[@erwinlommer197]

@@GamerMuscleVideos It is just a way to artificially make the starting price seem lower. Most people will look at the 350 price but in reality most people will buy the 450 version and the 450 version is what fanatec wants to sell you. It is called decoy pricing and it is just a pricing strategy. In the end you are paying 100 for a 20 dollar power supply.

[@jopereirapt]

@@erwinlommer197 For sure, start with that and a wheel and soon you send up spending much more than you initially anticipated. A TS-PC around €500 seems almost the same price range as this system but you ended up with one of the best wheels around (Ferrari 488 Challenge) and that's it. Also, I believe Thrustmaster and Logitech won't stay still...

[@Jonj57]

@@erwinlommer197 You're looking at it the wrong way. The unit cost $470 and their only selling you part of it for $350. I'll bet they probably aren't making much on the $350 sale and are loading all their profits into the idea that most people will know you can "upgrade" for the $150 later, but at the lower price they can lock as many people as possible into their ecosystem and deal with getting the rest of their money later. It's really smart and when you realize the unit is really meant to replace the CSW and not the CSL (all while being $70 cheaper) it's a really good deal and a REALLY smart idea. I just don't think they realized how many people would latch onto the actual cost of the PSU and they thought people would think more about the NM they were buying...

[@skylifeproject6139]

Great video matey. Went for the high power pack before watching this video, but thank you for making me feel more confident about my decision 🤣

[@douglasfrior6428]

I excited over this but have to wait for ps5 version

[@michalmikus2103]

I hope that will be this year 🙄

[@mesasartworks]

Thanks for your video comparison! Really worth the 21 USD the "high powered" aftermarket 24V 180W 24V 7.5A Power Adapter ;)

[@drewedgeley2845]

Very enjoyable video man, nice one! I got my GT DD Pro 5Nm bundle straight from Fanatic yesterday, and I had pre-emptively got the 8Nm power pack from a different supplier, plus the V3 Clubsport pedal set. Since watching you have a load of fun with it, I am so looking forward to getting it set up and getting some of the cost back by selling my Thrustmaster TGT-II and my TLCM pedal kit that is just shy of 3 months old ,and have only played GT7 on it. So it seems like i have a load to look forward to,on my PS 5 and PC and Xbox once i have a compatible wheel for the Xbox that is! Keep the good videos and your goodself creating good no B.S content coming man. Proper cool... 👍😊

[@julianhall2008]

Really like the Ford escort Rs 1600 in AC, just ordered the wheel base with 8nm supply. Roll on September.

[@jk_46]

Been waiting for the mediocre baldy to make a video of this since the csl dd was announced😉. Kinda expected this outcome, definitely helped me make up my mind high power it is. Now I need to get a rig and then the DD 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@jacobcisco7059]

Or you can ruin your life like i did and spend alot more on a simucube pro lol...great price for the 8nm for sure though!!! Congrats in advance if you get one! :)

[@OlavAlexanderMjelde]

Got the 5nm one yesterday and I must say: if you have it attached to a regular table, the 5nm is more than enough :P It shakes the entire table, LOL...

[@mrfrancy0154]

Is your table very large?

[@OlavAlexanderMjelde]

@@mrfrancy0154 maybe 2 meter wide and 60cm deep. Solid table in wood

[@forwhomthebelltolls392]

Finally moving away from a hand controller to a wheel and pedals. Started with PS Gran Turismo (seems like 100 years ago) and now playing GT7. Got all gold in the license tests with a Dual Sense hand controller, but now gonna try the Fanatec GT DD Pro with the CSL Elite Pedals V2. We'll see if it makes a difference in my times once I get familiar with using a wheel and pedals.............

[@Q50BeastTv]

Thank you for breaking this down. I will now upgrade to the 8 Nm Power Supply. I thought it was only for strength, but now finding out that it provides more detail i will go for it.

[@GorgieGus]

Me too. I have shoulder and wrist damage so bought the 5NM version. I'm now awaiting an 8NM power pack for the same reason that you're upgrading.

[@billwiley7216]

If you actually want the 8nm version just order the wheelbase and the 5nm power supply and the 8nm power supply at the same time and for only a $20 dollar higher price difference you get both of the power supplies rather than just the 8nm power supply alone and only save the measly $20. Worthwhile to have as a spare or backup or even to possibly test if there is a problem to determine if a power supply or the wheelbase is what is failing. I bet Fanatec will not sell you the 5nm power supply for anywhere near a $20 price point seperately.

[@x_Paine_x]

Thats my plan you will prob get a few quid for the 5mn one too

[@Superstocker669]

they ship only one power supply if you order together with boost kit.

[@jonferraez]

He is saying order the CSL DD 5nm wheelbase and then separately order the $149 8nm PSU. You only spend $20 more that way and gain a second power supply as either a backup or to sell. Although the value of the 5nm PSU if you wanted to sell it would not be great and not many people would need to buy the 5nm one separately, unless to have as a backup.

[@Superstocker669]

@@jonferraez I see, i read it wrong way. The 5 NM PS will be worth near to nothing of course.

[@Simlife101]

@@Superstocker669 He means as he says, if he starts to have issues he can test it with the 5NM pack to see if it is a power supply issue if it is he will have a spare pack to keep him going while he waits for a new power supply. Good idea to be fair

[@sethbrown4707]

Great video! You always manage to pack so much knowledge into your reviews/previews or "talkie" videos. It really shows you have quite a deep well of experience to pull from.

[@mrmidnight32]

Would you recommend upgrading from a T300 RS GT? I just bought mine off Amazon, but want to return it since I want to buy better pedals anyways. So I kind of am tempted to just buy the whole CSL DD starter package for $699

[@davidpovey01]

We really need to bring Fanatec to task on this. It's a 180W motor and requires a 180W PSU to power it. Packaging it with a 90W PSU is actually *downrating* the system, you're not 'upgrading' getting the PSU it was designed for. Secondly a 180W+ PSU does not cost *retail* anywhere near to 149 whatevers ($/£ etc), the most expensive one I could find (on RS-Online) and that was 'Medical usage approved' was only £89, a 200W on ebay £49. Great business model for Fanatec whilst shafting their customers.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

It's allowing them to sell a DD wheel base at the same price as a CSLE with it then having an upgrade option to a CSW 2.5 spec DD If they just sold it for say 500 with the larger psu then they would have to keep making and selling the CSLE. I'd rather them do what they are doing than just sell the same product for 5+ years.

[@davidpovey01]

Hi @@GamerMuscleVideos "If they just sold it for say 500 with the larger psu" Why 500? It's a 10€/20€ price difference for them (Fanatec) they could just sell the wheel base for 360/370 and make *the same amount of profit*. Instead they make us buy a lower rated (Downgraded) PSU then put a hefty mark up, well over retail, price on the PSU the unit was designed for leaving us with a redundant lower rated PSU. It's a marketing ploy, as others have said of 'decoy pricing' and a way to make more profits. Whilst not illegal it does not make it a 'good deal' for the customer. I, and I'm sure many will, purchase my own 180+W PSU at a far cheaper 'honest' price. (And it will NOT negate the warranty btw *unless* it could be proved the PSU caused the fault)

[@84benfranklin]

ACC didn't make sense until I got the 8nm kit. I had a TMX and upgradeed to CSL DD, but still didn't feel right, now it does.

[@TheRIkkyP]

Late to the conversation as always. I can’t help but feel that Fanatec will put out another one of these next year as a “club sport” version with 12-17 nm of force at about £800 and then replace the DD1 and DD2 with the new tech.

[@aperson4075]

That is correct

[@dimakor5914]

I heard rFactor 2 has the best force feedback. Never tried it because the game is ridiculously hard to set everything up. I failed to even make my racing wheel work properly.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

It has the best FFB for feeling the road texture curbs and suspension compression but its ffb is really bad for feeling front end grip in specifc situations and when you get up onto the limit the FFB is not very informative it just goes a bit flat. AC1 FFB tells you prity much everything you need to know inorder to drive fast from the FFB alone.

[@Simlife101]

Dima Kor i have the an issue with rFactor 2, when i try to use my Simucube it has this crazy feeling as if no ffb then hit a curb and goes wild, any ideas what i could be doing wrong

[@dimakor5914]

@@Simlife101 Consider I couldn't even set up my racing wheel, I have no idea. I never had any problems with it in any other racing game.

[@BrendanEvan]

Appreciated the video! Thanks

[@VicenteAlfonsoSanchez]

I bought the CSL Elite 1.1 in january 2021, but I´ve pre ordered the CSL DD with the boost. I hope it worth it the change... The problem will be to sell the CSL Elite wheelbase.

[@theonlyegg]

You'll have no trouble selling the Elite to a Playstation user. Hopefully the DD works out better for you. To me, even with the boost pack, it feels like a CSL Elite. Went back to CSW 2.5.

[@VicenteAlfonsoSanchez]

@@theonlyegg are you sure? don´t you feel any difference between CSW and DD?

[@lowfastracing]

The Universal Hub is completely new now, with magnetic shifters and exchangeable QR. I'm so "happy" now with my CSL Elite and the old universal hub... :D

[@-racingfan2014]

Apparently we might be able to use existing CSL adapter and mod with a Molex 4 pin.

[@misterdog7]

Indeed I just double checked mine and it's the exact same specs as the power brick of the DD. Glad I didn't pay 100+ euros extra for the 8nm version lol.

[@SIMRIG412]

@@misterdog7 not that easy idiots lol. Next your weak as csl elite doesn't even run more then 5nm anyways so your power supply still isn't efficient duh idiots.

[@T.K.9]

All I can say is. Open ACC, go to Suzuka Circuit on a Porsche GT3 and max all the FFB settings including how it reacts to the chicanes etc. This is with CSL DD 5nm. The Wheel fights back. It produces an arm and slaps you in the face. Like the whole table is vibrating more than the missus vibrator. Basically yeah, AC and ACC indeed got a nice FFB. AND I Love driving that Porsche around. I have yet to try the 8nm, but I will see soon... But if the 5nm can do that above. I can only imagine what the 8nm will do.

[@AllardWolff]

Maxing out FFB just gives you clipping

[@Daz555Daz]

5Nm to 8Nm does not sound much but it's 60% more power - that is VERY noticeable.

[@danielhulsbosch]

People I have a question, I can buy the ready2race bundle with McLaren wheel for €560 or I buy it with 8nm for €650 (I wanna upgrade I use now an Logitech g29) what should you do?

[@reviewforthetube6485]

This wheel will end up being everywhere for comps and stuff the new f1 wheels for sure and just a whole bunch of others I'm sure do to the 5-8nm and the price and being dd these imo these will absolutely the best competition wheels due to having enough power and detial to feel everything but still at rhe right limit to be able to endurance race without absolutely going numb haha there is even more of a market for these imo then some are thinking its not just about us people at home I think these will be used everywhere this is such a good thing fanatec did and so cool of them this wheel imo will change so much its insane mabye change everything tbh

[@ziljanvega3879]

Which power supply to get? Answer: the one that comes with my CSW 2.5. (until they release the CSW DD)

[@efilistun]

Try ANY direct drive and you will understand what you are missing with those belts .....

[@misterdog7]

Yeah they are exactly the same lol, you'll have to tweak it though as they changed the socket :P

[@ihababbas9863]

Why all youtubers recommend booster power supply over the stock 5nm!! Is it all about getting more forces or more details? Would someone explain?

[@Polymer]

Just pre-ordered the 5Nm version yesterday (currently using CSL Elite).....should have watched this video first! 🤔 Might just upgrade power pack once the wheel base arrives.

[@Polymer]

Ended up building my own 200W Power Supply for cheap.

[@Brittlespeed]

When purchasing the Gran Turismo DD Pro kit, you can get the 5nm for $700 or $850 for the 8nm version. Or you can buy the 8nm p/s by itself for $150. I see no reason to buy the 8nm kit when you can get an extra 5nm p/s for the same price

[@sara_m]

6:48 thanks for the metric unit 😁 I don't need to convert/ignore this time

[@christoforospaphitis4090]

Me with a DFGT ready to storm the e-sport scenes then with a DD wheel :P

[@tonydoc9849]

Would love to see a video of csl dd with the Xbox

[@balticDub]

Thank you so much for this Review. I luckily was able to place a preorder and am so hyped, that i plan upgrading my rig today. Would you mind posting the some measures of the Unit (The unit itself + Back of unit to front of wheel)? Only if you're allowed to, of course. Thanks in advance!

[@MsBassan]

Excellent video and commentary 🔥

[@DMAX_DIY]

Thanks buddy.. I am in the 'market' for the next thing.. I got a CSL elite, then they came out with this.. Maybe I just skip right ahead? IDK.. But.. Time is on my side..(fingers crossed).. DMAX motion ch

[@Igbon5]

Hi. I just bought one and got massively ripped off. If you do want the 8nm make sure you get the basic package and then but the boost kit. Do not get a bundle. I don't know what the Euro prices or pound prices are but in Aussie dollars its 600 for the 5nm. The boost kit costs 260. So, for 860 you get both power supplies. If you buy the 8nm so called bundle, it costs 830. So, for 30 dollars more you get both power supplies. This means that the price of the 8nm power supply which should be 260 is actually about 100 dollars more. You would think it would be a bit cheaper but no it is an even bigger rip off than it already is. I hope this makes sense. On top of that a company in Aus added a 20% markup so I have paid effectively about 500 dollars for a power brick. Check the pricing very carefully.

[@chrisrye8409]

Well crap I preordered the DD and sold my CSL elite and only got the 5NM power pack 😕

[@anticommoncore4065]

You can order the 8nm Boost Kit separately. I did, and it costs $20 plus tax and $12 shipping. Fanatec wouldn't let me order a separate Boost Kit on the original CSL DD order, to save shipping. But it did allow me to make a separate order for it. Now Fanatec won't let me put either item into my cart now, since I've already purchased both. Remember one per customer. My Boost Kit PSU has already shipped. But the CSL DD and 5nm PSU won't ship until September. I wanted the additional PSU so that my 5-6 yr old grandkids can drive it. You know how they always hit a LOT of walls. I didn't want them to hurt their fingers/hands when they do. My 10 yr old grandson can probably handle the 8nm.

[@timkoken1570]

@@anticommoncore4065 you can turn down the max torque tho

[@allanlansdowne340]

Why didn't they sell the 5nm as a "csl dd 5nm" and the 8nm as a club sport dd 8nm. That would end the confusion and the complaints. Other than the detail between the power supplies what is the difference between the power supplies what do you get for the upgraded power supply other than detail.

[@HRJL2005]

Can we see an 8nm max FFB video ? To see pure strength ? Great vid mate

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

It was at max ffb in this video on both the 5nm and 8nm modes

[@75Mdb]

@@GamerMuscleVideos Max in the wheelbase and in the sim at the same time? My wrists would hurt after a few minutes!

[@willwastaken]

Hey mate, would you recommend using the same settings from your old DD1 universal settings video? Or are there a couple things I should change?

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Yah those settings are good with all Sims to be honest 👍😎

[@willwastaken]

@@GamerMuscleVideos Thanks mate 👍🏻

[@B37Fck1t]

@GamerMuscleVideos Please excuse my ignorance, but at 01:35 you mentioned people who use Direct Drive and one other type of wheel, which I was unable to understand your pronunciation of? What was the other wheel you stated please? TIA ✌🏻

[@multiversupt9540]

Very nice review, but what do you think compared to the CSW 2.5?

[@StemzX1]

I feel like its a dumb question, if you only have enough to get the 5nm then get that and get the boost kit later on if you feel you need it, this wil lsave you money for otehr things such as a shifter,handbrake or load cell pedals

[@bullshark1152]

I don’t think the 8nm can be clamped to a table top. But the 5nm can. So as I sold my whole rig for a particular reason, I now want a new setup, not a complete rig with 3 screens seat and all bels and whistles. But just to satisfy my need to race again. This 5nm wheel could be the life safer for me.

[@JotaKuro]

Hello, good morning from Alicante, Spain, first of all congratulations on your videos :-). Since you have been able to try it ... I would like to know your opinion. I have the CLS ELite base, the million dollar question ;-) Is it worth it change it to the DD CLS? Thank you very much and greetings.

[@LevelUpSimRacing]

Just ordered one without the power pack. Making me want it now. But never drivin a sim so I think I'll be ok for a while.

[@redstar612]

Same here brother it will be enough you can upgrade any time 😁👍

[@SegginsProductions]

Does anyone think fanatec will release a “clubsport level” gt3 rim. I was looking at getting the one gm has, but it seems a bit cheap and the new bmw one will probably be a few grand as a podium level wheel, so I would love to buy something in the middle.

[@anthonylee5305]

So the ONLY difference is the actual power supply... the wheel bases are identical? Surely you could buy the 5nm base and add an aftermarket power supply to get more FFB?

[@plastic2208]

350 the DD and 50 for boost-upgrade would have been fair, but 150 bucks is ridicolous.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

I think you have to see it more like how a game console is sold , in that the 350 version is sold much closer to cost but alows people to get into the eco system the CSL DD is better than a CSLE with the basic power supply and better than a CSWB 2.5 but sold for close to same price.

[@Alextraz]

Hi there...very useful video. I am ordering the ps5 version for GT7 and ACC. Up to now i was thinking 5nm version plus LC but now i wonder if its better to go with the 8nm...what do you think....

[@damienakatubbyable]

Honestly I would never ger in car with someone that explained to me that they 'don't drive by the visuals' before we set out! 😂

[@chadsugden411]

I think the only point of them going with the 5nm base package is for those who are still desk mounting. Or using something like the fold up f-GT Lite cock pit. Or play seat etc As 8nm would probably over whelm a set up like that…

[@OOOHYEAAAHH]

Few things. 1. I checked my CSW 2.5 power supply, its exactly the same with a different connector, i still pre-ordered one with the power back because if i decide to resell the CSW 2.5 might be handy if the power supply is included. 2. Did you run both packs at max ffb? i run my CSW 2.5 at 58% that's 4.7 NM. Id still also run that on the CSL DD i think

[@hellobooom]

AC feedback is seriously lacking for DD wheels, SAT forces have been a known issue forever among other things being worked on in CSP, anyone who hyped AC as the best FFB especially with a DD wheel is not to be taken seriously.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Funny I have used AC with Every DD on the market and for information that's important to driving it's easily the best. RF2 has better suspension and tire flex feel but lacks specifc details of load and rotation at the limit with a ton of cars.

[@Simlife101]

If you didnt see the big pop up stating FACT maybe watch again, he clearly means this as in his opinion and we all know FFB is a subjective thing. Hot lapping around nord is amazing and have the most fun on that track in AC.

[@One21P]

How about a power supply with a switch from low to high power.

[@AgentHeX_0007]

The power packs should both be sold separate from the wheel base. That would lower the price of the wheel itself (more tempting when you see the lower price) and give people the option to choose the power supply that they want. I just bought a professional battery hedge cutter today which comes with no battery and no charger. You then have the option of 4 different capacity batteries (different prices) and 4 different speed battery chargers (different prices) which gives flexibility on how much you want to spend and how you want to use the product. This customisable option made me choose this product over a competing product as the others on the market only came bundled with a small capacity battery and a slow charger that I would end up never using and would force me to spend more to get the better battery and charger that I required. Also I am a desk racer so I am interested in how the table mount handles the 8nm forces?

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

People can chose which power suply they want when they buy the wheel so in a sense it is seperate. the table mount is fine with 8Nm

[@AgentHeX_0007]

@@GamerMuscleVideos So it does not come bundled with the 5nm power pack and you can choose at time of purchase which one you want? I was under the impression that the 5nm came bundled with it, thus bumping up the price if you only want the full 8nm of force.

[@Daz555Daz]

@@AgentHeX_0007 No - you only get one PSU when you buy the CSL DD. You will only end up with 2 PSUs if you buy the 5Nm version first and then upgrade later.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

​@@AgentHeX_0007 Its 350 with the 5nm power pack or 479 with the 8Nm power pack - they will also sell the 8Nm power pack as a seperate upgrade for 149

[@DomB_Fanatec]

@@AgentHeX_0007 If you select the Boost Kit 180 when you add the CSL DD to your basket, you will only receive that power supply. The standard power supply will not be included.

[@ledchickenfpv7164]

Did Fanatec discontinue the CSL DD 5nm version? The web site shows "sold out", with no option to purchase with it getting shipped when it becomes available. I hope they haven't decided to discontinue it, because I was considering buying one in the not too distant future. It must have sold well, because ever since it was introduced there's been wait time to get one, so if they did decide to discontinue it that's a bit of a head scratcher for me. :-|

[@Schmusefant]

One of the first things he said where something like AC has the best force feedback... I own AC and some other racing games and I definitly can say that Rfactor´s superior tire and force feedback model beats the shit out of AC´s... Has he never played rf or am I missing something?

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

RF2 it massively depends on the specifc car , RF2 the FFB details can be quite lacking at times once you get onto the limit with RF2s FFB mostly being suspension Noise and load. RF2 feels like more is going on with the FFB but it can lack the sense of seat of the pants G load at the times that are most important. RF2 feels more impressive and immersive in its ffb but AC gives you more information to actually drive from especially on slow corners going over crests. I think ACs tire model I think is less "advance" in certain ways but in other ways it handles transient situations and specifically how a car moves at the limit really well. RF2 & AC probably the best two Sims for FFB with a DD wheel though.

[@nickyjj5459]

Crazy they can’t just provide the full thing without paying extra.

[@miguelseditta6799]

Hola buenas noches...mí nombre es Miguel...soy de Argentina y mí consultante este producto es si es compatible con RFACTOR 1...RFACTOR 2.. AUTOMOVILISTA...RACE ROOM...ETC...quisiera saber también si se puede configurar la fuerza de centrado o fuerza de tensión como tiene el g27 sin que esté habilitado el Ford feedback...alguien me puede decir...gracias...

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

It should work with all those simulators yes , the same compatablity as G27 and much better FFB than a g27 but it also costs much more. Hope that helps ☕👍

[@haxorcomputerservices]

Wonder if there will be aftermarket power packs?

[@h1tzzYT]

is there a difference if you use 8nm PSU but dont use it at full power? lets say something like 5nm at 100% FFB vs 8nm vs 60% FFB would there be any difference between those two setups?

[@jewulo]

faster response times

[@h1tzzYT]

@@jewulo hmm but why would it have faster response time?

[@Irukandji01]

GMV, I’m having trouble understanding the wheel/rims discussed here. Forgive me totally new to this. This is what I’ve preordered from Fanatec…. Ordered 8-22-21... CSL DD Boot Kit 180 (8NM) CSL Pedals CSL Elite Wheel WRC QR 1 lite wheel-side (simplified quick release adapter) Questions, 1). Does the ordered CSL pedals require any special adapters to interface with the ordered CSL DD? 2). Does the ordered CSL Elite Wheel WRC take full advantage of the ordered Boot Kit 180 (8NM)? Or is the CSL Elite Wheel WRC limited due to its low torque with the simplified quick release adapter? If so, can you suggest what wheel/rim combination I would need from Fanatec to take advantage of the Boot Kit 180 (8NM). Not sure if I’m misunderstanding “low torque” WRC wheel with FFB or the 8NM higher power option. Currently more into kart racing and wanted to start some sim racing with decent gear. Would really appreciate your input. Many Thanks, Eric

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

CSL pedals plug into back of the csldd and the WRC wheel works with 8Nm boost pack 👍

[@Irukandji01]

@@GamerMuscleVideos Thank you 🙏🏼

[@edds_gone_fishing21]

Helpful video thanks wish I could get my setups right for assetto Corsa compitizione.

[@calado92]

I use my g29 with very low forces, but maybe because the feel of it is dog sh*&#, maybe If the feeling is nice as that DD wheel, I will enjoy a bit more of force/feeling?

[@Simlife101]

QR2 just around the corner 8 months later it is it is i swear 10 years later it is it is i promise 20 years later that was my grandad and he never got one

[@fabian_balle]

Tried rF2? Awesome FFB and great content. BTW still dont know which power pack I should get xD but my order is months away anyway

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Yes aspects of RF2 FFB are good and some cars are great , but it really lacks FFB for braking ( outside of initail suspention compression) and also lacks subtle FFB for G-Load and most the cars in RF2 have really bad handling at low speed. But again it totally depends on the car because RF2 is so complicated to make content in and has so many options from a development point of view a car could ether be totally amazing or absolute rubbish. I'd get the boost pack for CSLDD but I have been using 15+Nm DD's for over 3 years now so im just used to having a bit stronger FFB.

[@fabian_balle]

@@GamerMuscleVideos yeah rF2 is kina crazy with all the different levels that the content is on. They are improving things and working on lots of new things but it takes forever. Looking forward to upgrading my G29 (may get a rig first so I dont have to mount it to my desk). And the QR2 might be out then as well

[@monkeynews8311]

Thinking about getting one of these. Just to confirm if I go for the 5NM version I could just upgrade the power supply to unlock 8NM, I don't need to buy a new base or anything? I'm coming from a T300 so not too sure if I'll need the extra power to begin with to notice an improvement. I also use manual shifter quite a bit and use the t3pa pro pedals from thrustmaster. they're not the best pedals but I've had them for years and quite like them for more casual driving. Is there anyway I can still use these pedals with the wheel when I'm playing something more casual like ets2 for the clutch or am I better just buying the clutch pedal for the CSL?

[@hawkeyes4768]

what are the ligtest (full circle)Fanatec wheels? atm i am looking at sparco, and bmw one and for powersupply, cant one use a 3rd party one to achive the 8nm? 150 seems unreasonable

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

WRC wheel is probably the lightest. BMW is quite heavy

[@jonferraez]

The McLaren GT3 V3 is actually one of their lightest.

[@joschaub7492]

Thank you for the helpful video. Have you tested the difference between the Clubsport Wheelbase and the CSL DD with high power supply ?

[@Tapoutime79]

Question? Is it hard to get used to a racing wheel compared to a Controller? Thank's!

[@FraneTolic]

Does it make sence to get the power pack if youre gonna use it on the table i mean is there a difference in the two power packs at the same newton meter level

[@samuellp1146]

Is the wheel from fanatec elite interchangeable with CSL DD 5NM/8Nm? Nice video.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

The fanatec wheels work with all the wheel bases

[@samuellp1146]

@@GamerMuscleVideos thanks

[@robintoch4859]

I gonna order 1 next week but i like to know, when you finish racing do you have to take the wheel off? Or can you keep it on the wheelbase? What is better to do?

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Wheel can live on the wheel base for a billion years. Lots of people never remove the wheel they happen to have , QR is just to allow you to swap wheels quickly if you want to.

[@Alpaca_FPS]

GM please do a drifting review for the DD man Drifting in the sim community is not so loved you can do it.

[@FilingAccount]

How many Watts does the 5 Nm powerpack draw? How much does the 8 Nm powerpack draw? How big are they physically? Do they have an efficiency rating? So many questions.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

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[@ESR744]

drift test please need to show will speed