Transmission: Why SRAM’s new drivetrain matters

I never liked SRAM AXS. It doesn’t shift better, it’s not much easier to set up, and it’s not more durable. It’s also way more expensive.
I've got to admit, at first I thought Transmission, SRAM's new electronic drivetrain, was just another meaningless update to get us to spend more money.
But then I realized that although it's still a derailleur, there are real performance improvements. After spending time on it, the fact of the matter is that SRAM Transmission is the best derailleur that I’ve ever used.
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[@martsmarts]

These pricing points have hit such a level that the general mass of bikers could no longer find it reasonable to purchase one at such a price.

[@nordic-chan]

This. Yea it's cool, but $1500 is more than your average cyclist's entire bike. I thought the old AXS was nuts for a derailleur and this is somehow almost 3x more expensive? This is just another bit of gucci kit that isn't actually better in any practical term and just exists for the sake of existing. Even this video could honestly only come up with "it's durable and is slightly better at climbing on slippery terrain" as the only actual reason to get one.

[@slowcyclist4324]

The average salary in my country is around 50k annual, and if you factor in bonuses and stuff it goes higher. So, I don’t know about you man, but that’s stats shows but that it should be pretty affordable to the average person. Maybe the pricing is more of a YOU problem than a SRAM market research problem.

[@martsmarts]

@@slowcyclist4324 comparing to an annual salary obviously you could afford it even I for myself. But the pricing is Not practical anymore.

[@hectorlmges]

@@slowcyclist4324 I live in one of the highest salary countries in the world, mine is like 2x yours and I find those new groupsets extremely expensive, not gonna pay that price for sure.

[@cheddaknottz8486]

​@@slowcyclist4324 I live in Long Island, NY. Big money out here. And I'm telling you right now, nobody I know would waste their money on this. Cost to benefit just doesn't make sense. $1500?!??!?! I'd much rather upgrade my suspension.

[@Salvotation]

I don’t see why the improvements can’t be applied to cable operated ones. My entire life is electronics biking is my escape from that and I want to keep it that way

[@Normally_aspirated]

Ultegra r8000. It's perfect

[@superneroes]

I bet a cable version will come in some months

[@barneyklingenberg4078]

@Jack Halem It's really not an issue with my aluminium rental bikes. Just shove them in the downtube until they come out below the crank. Then it's basically outside of the frame following under the chainstay. Little loop to the rear derailleur. New outer and inner cable takes me 10-15 minutes an bike.

[@Gojira_Wins]

If you watch the video again and listen to the part where he explains that the derailleur is systematically shifting based on timings, you'll realize why cable actuated shifting is impossible. We cannot, as human beings, shift this precisely, everytime we go to shift. A computer can.

[@alexdi1367]

Let's not sing the virtues of replaceable parts until we know how readily available they are, if they're documented, and what they cost. You broke a slim portion of the upper part at 5:43 in your impact testing, but if it only comes with electronics, it might well be $400. Very few brands have a good track record for this. It's a marketing bullet point until proven otherwise.

[@akjdhfkqwrhetkjanfvkkkresae]

It doesn't just come with the electronics...

[@disco.lemonade]

Are you kidding? For that amount of money, I'd wait a long period without riding, over just getting a new whole derailleur

[@ryanmichels2981]

I always love new tech, but I’ll stick with my SLX derailleur and XT shifter for the foreseeable future. About $210 all in, CDN, for that combo. I don’t know why people want batteries on everything these days, I just want to ride my bike about worrying if multiple batteries are charged, ie, seat post, drivetrain, etc.

[@GokkunGuru]

I always knew the existing AXS’ limit screws were there just because. They served no purpose. I’m glad Dan confirmed that.

[@dash0173]

their purpose was a failsafe. better to have them there and not need them ever than to need them and not have them there.

[@jimmy8x541]

@@dash0173 Because it's better to have Lou Rawls and not need him, than to need Lou Rawls and not have him!

[@glibsonoran]

Well, given that you can potentially adjust the indexing on your derailleur on the fly, or if you adjust it in a repair setting and don't test it properly, it serves to keep you from losing your chain.

[@JohnDough-yr2zt]

Yeah I have hit my xx and I know I bent the hanger. It takes a few seconds for the derailleur to readjust and it’s fine.

[@barneyklingenberg4078]

@@dash0173 An Dork disc is an failsafe. Better to take it off considering they are frickin annoying.

[@bendu88]

Love u guys. Refreshingly honest, entertaining and informative.

[@henryvaneyk3769]

SRAM has made a solution to a problem that has never really been a problem. I ride on many trails around here that is ridden on the Cape Epic every year and have yet to replace a derailleur hanger. I had my current bike now for 6 years with it's XT group set and my previous bike with XTR for 5 years before that.

[@toddcoble1485]

you are only one person. I've replaced my hanger multiple times, and I know many other riders who have needed to as well. it has DEFINITELY been a problem for many many people aside from you

[@barneyklingenberg4078]

@@toddcoble1485 It's not a problem if the hangar is an standardized part you can get in stock in every bike shop. And that was the only problem both SRAM and Shimano could solve much easier. Just force or bribe their OEM's to use standardized hangars.

[@sebastianjost]

Also keep in mind how many adjustments are no longer necessary with this new drivetrain. Misadjusted drivetrains we're definitely a time consuming problem. Not super annoying, but it's nice to not have to adjust it anymore. It's still very expensive though

[@H3avyHaul3r]

my sram gx axs coming up 2yrs of regular almost daily use has been so reliable with trouble free shifting….theres no chance a cable derailuer will be on any bike i own in the future

[@kaseykohler1490]

Besides that anti friction washer that digs into your carbon frame it seems amazing

[@Scatology900]

Can't wait to get these new features in the GX non-wireless line!

[@ghsteen]

this lol

[@Jacob99174]

Really great job on this review!

[@FanatikBikeCo]

Thanks! Glad you found it informative/entertaining. - Dan P.

[@Wallstreetavarice]

I loved the old AXS so I'm sure these improvements will just make me love it more

[@ajmarecki]

Yeah I disagree with his assessment of old AXS. Sure it is cost more and may be overcomplicated. But it does shift better and stays shifting well for a long time.

[@TherealKG22.5]

Pricing is horrendous, and that's where they go wrong.. my GX axs works flawlessly and most likely be a bargain to buy soon..

[@robertosmmjlist]

This is great content! Thank you

[@FanatikBikeCo]

Our pleasure! Glad you found it informative/entertaining. - Dan P.

[@captnhuffy]

Thank You! I'm in the market for a new ride, and you helped me

[@soy_leche]

The main thing that changed so far is the price point going even higher.

[@dansteinbach6296]

Just for the record, I did get a stick into the lower pulley on my Eagle derailleur and it bent the whole thing. I know others that it happened too. Maybe we just have more sticks lying around here...

[@bikebudha01]

So he never did reveal the smash test results. Did the frame get bent? (The derailleur hanger was never for the derailleur - it's always so you don't trash your frame)

[@toddcoble1485]

The hanger was never for the frame. If you know history, it was invented along with the derailleur to mount on the frame. They were steel and braised to the frame. modern replaceable hangers are made of softer material to save the derailleur.

[@bikebudha01]

@@toddcoble1485 Nope, mostly to save the frame. Side benefit if it saves the deraileur...

[@toddcoble1485]

@@bikebudha01 Nope

[@AutiSam1974]

@@toddcoble1485 you're wrong on this, they are there to save the frame, the more critical and expensive component

[@keirfarnum6811]

As an old mountain bike racer from the 90s who spent a lot of time riding in the backcountry of Alaska, I can’t help but agree about preferring simple equipment. I don’t even like the idea of hydraulic brakes; I would use a high end cable model (like the Paul brakes) if I was still riding in Alaska because I prefer fixable equipment that can be dealt with anywhere, anytime. I still am not sure about these electronic derailleurs.

[@Gojira_Wins]

So by that logic you only park your car and slow down with your handbrake because it's cable actuated, unlike the hydraulic, fluid based braking system all cars have? Aside from a pretty poor opinion, many channels have proven time and time again that hydraulic brakes are vastly superior in every way. Even the best cable brakes are only able to compare to dual piston brakes while quad piston can stop 400lbs of bike, people and gear going 25mph to a dead stop in 20 feet. Cables would let you run right into traffic and get hit. Safety is everything and cable brakes are not good enough anymore.

[@neozeonsolid]

I’m worried about all of that force going into the frame

[@NoddyTron]

Is it any different from the force from the wheel though? The wheel is attached at both sides I suppose, but it is also a much longer lever. My point is no one ever worries about the wheel exerting force on the frame when they land a bit sideways, but people are always worried about their derailleur doing the same.

[@aygwm]

Why

[@Montblanc1986]

Dan must have been paid a lot to talk this stuff up so much

[@SirSmokesAlot691]

wow, thats sick!! thx for the vid!

[@FanatikBikeCo]

Our pleasure! Glad you found it informative/entertaining. - Dan P.

[@H3avyHaul3r]

the T derailuer at the common fail point ie. hanger will be hard to damage…though the parallelogram joints are now the biggest weakness…still i look forward to the T transmission working it’s way down to the GX groupset in a couple years….or when the parts are sold separately…i don’t need the T cranks

[@andrewmazzer]

I love my axs, I think srams big mistake with this transmission group is that it is not at least backward compatible with original eagle cranks and chain line. Over time as my cassette, chainring, chain and derailleur need replacement I would consider going transmission. I get it's a whole new system but the cranks and chainring mounting could have stayed same as Eagle and it would have got more peeps going over to transmission I reckon ?

[@Seebema]

any thoughts on transmission vs linkglide xt??

[@lamefart]

Unlike Shimano, SRAM lied and said they did it first. Lol

[@FanatikBikeCo]

Did SRAM say they did it first? - Dan P.

[@juluisreyes9094]

If shimano would introduce a cable type of that direct mounting rear mech, i will go for that..i just dont like electronics on my bike

[@huntergibson9359]

Why is everyone complaining about pricing? This is a top end flagship component. This is designed for the people who have disposable income to spend on the most expensive parts for their bikes. The rest of us peons need to wait for this to trickle down to their GX (hopefully cable actuated) model spec. This is how it has always been, and always will be. After initially being suspicious, it seems that this is actually a consumer friendly design, so I am excited to see the cheaper models of this design come out in the next few years. UDH was an amazing move, and this seems to be a continuation of that with replaceable derailleur parts. Derailleurs designed to be serviced, and last the life of your frame should be celebrated with gusto!

[@philhunt1442]

When asked about longevity SRAM had this to say: "We have given the new X0 and XX Transmission chains the designation of our strongest chains ever produced, and this is due to a few design factors. Moving to a flat top design has allowed us to add material into areas of the chain where strength is crucial. Additionally, we were able to increase the thickness of the cassette cog and chainring teeth, to improve overall lifespan. The new Flattop chains are available with the same coatings as our XX1 chains to help improve resistance to corrosion and wear. Warm Regards, Max. SRAM Rider Support"

[@leifostrum9597]

I believe the new T-type chainrings work with regular Eagle chains so you could just upgrade to the new X0 Crankset if you wanted to.

[@Durwood71]

My derailleur hanger has saved my derailleur from catastrophic damage on several occasions.

[@ivanjednobiegowiec7656]

Would much, much interested how these intricacies of cassette mapping will last over time especially against the elements. Place I'm riding the most eats components like a hungry caterpillar in the last stage, just before transformation. Interesting to see how shifting quality will be holding over time... Cheers! I.

[@AFV85]

Reverse wireless charging would be a good thing to see included in these wireless derailer's just for that extra peace of mind

[@FanatikBikeCo]

That would be pretty cool. - Dan P.

[@ronaldochua6349]

I saw a friend at the side of the road trying to fix something on his bike so I turned around and check if there's anything I could do to help. He was trying to pair his SRAM Red axs cause it won't shift. I asked him if he charged the battery and he said yes he charged it the night before. Then I asked him if he had a spare battery for his shifters to test cause it's probably the one that is out! Then he realised that it's been a year now since he had his bike so it's probably the shifter's battery. He had to go home and change bike.. A few days later, he confirmed that it was the shifter's battery! Lesson - if you're on an electronic drivetrain, an extra battery is a must in your tool bag!

[@bushflyr7335]

"At the end of the day this is the best derailleur I've ever used." And it still sucks compared to a Pinion transmission.

[@FanatikBikeCo]

I actually loved the Zerode I rode years ago, but I disagree that this is worse in terms of performance. - Dan P.

[@fzr1000981]

Oh brother another broke hater prattling on about a system that won't be here (widely available) for years...sheesh you morons are like flies. The SRAM is a great transmission anf you can't afford it! Love my new Crestline

[@johnykryll]

Most of the add videos for the new SRAM system are quite tedious. But this one I play just before bed, never fails to send me off

[@FanatikBikeCo]

Thanks Johny, glad you find it relaxing! - Dan P.

[@mtb.barista]

Pricey evolution 🎉

[@arealsandwich]

seems cool

[@DahakaZR]

I'd really like to know if the new X0 AXS is compatible with Shimano, anyway you guys could test this? Old AXS worked flawless.

[@jasondundom1390]

What i'd like to know it whether it can handle the torque of a high powered Ebike conversion or not..

[@gesundheitstips2197]

Still I don't get which benefit this thing will give me over my cheap old xt and gx group sets.

[@SeikoMiura]

Wow SRAM XO crank with bash guard? Reminds me of good old 2x9 days.

[@Canyon_Shawn]

Do you have to use the SRAM crank and chainring?

[@theephemeralglade1935]

Here you go, Fanatik! We want you to take this derailleur, gratis. Please give us an honest review! P.S. We left you a little something under the product card, with our thanks! 😉

[@shawnoen1029]

Everything has changed for the 0.000001% of bikes made in the last 10 years with the UDH standard. No road bikes, no gravel bikes, etc....

[@FanatikBikeCo]

We only sell mountain bikes. At this point 95% of the frames we sell are UDH equipped. As far as the products we deal in, it's a significant change. - Dan P.

[@ctsingletrack]

Cool stuff. Too bad it can only be used on non UDH frames, which are still the majority of bikes on the trails right now.

[@pernyberg2816]

Why es the cranks not backwards compatible? Tooth profile?

[@ragu4545]

SRAMano drivetrain FTW!!

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

No, thank you. I'd rather go through the hassle of using regular "old tech" cable operated deraillers. They're cheap and I can fix them myself. The only advantage electronic shifters have is the ability to use multiple shifters for the same derailler. I decided to look how much this groupset costs and...at 26k, that's more expensive than my current car.

[@fzr1000981]

Sucks to be you, love my $12k Crestline haha

[@user88..]

Will be the new rear derailleur only works on the old cassette with the old axs shifting?

[@FanatikBikeCo]

The Transmission derailleur will not work with the new cassette, which sits further outboard than the old one. - Dan P.

[@jurisx85]

I’m glad innovation doesn’t stop and although I can’t afford this now or in any foreseeable future, if the tech is solid it will eventually trickle down to more budget options, and we’ll all win. But, yes, the price is ridiculous.

[@AndrewDBrown2020]

Great video - thank you. One question though... I prefer to use waxed chains. Any thoughts?

[@FanatikBikeCo]

I don't see why that wouldn't be just fine with this drive train. - Dan P.

[@AndrewDBrown2020]

@@FanatikBikeCo Thanks Dan ... time to start saving I guess. Best of luck with the channel.

[@wyric]

cranks are actually compatible with previous eagle. you just end up with 55mm chain line.

[@2Truth2you]

My 90's Shimano Deore derailleurs are still working fine.

[@omsteve4761]

Then you aren’t the target audience of this, this product is for people that care about performance enough to buy the best products

[@acelectricalsecurity]

It's funny, this comes out and all the channels go nuts saying how good it is. Yet for years everyone had said never buy a bike where the mech mounts directly to the frame, amazing what handing out expensive free stuff will get you. It's way too expensive, and a step backwards, mounting wise.

[@nico6305]

Money money money.

[@fzr1000981]

Too broke to afford it...random hate

[@JohnDough-yr2zt]

Right on.

[@jayywolff4051]

I wonder if its possible to run the SRAM transmission cassette / chain on an eagle cable shifter / derailleur / crank. Would this work and increase performance?

[@xnoitulos]

I can't imagine this not working since they're using the same chain.

[@jayywolff4051]

@@xnoitulos what? the transmission has a new redesigned chain to match the cassette. I think it could work too, just want to know if it works well and could make a cable actuated drivetrain shift smoother, faster, under load, etc

[@ninjazzrhythm400]

Is it significant enough for 2699 price range? That's more than the value of my car lol

[@RideShagbark]

Can you use the Road AXS briefers (Rival AXS) with the new transmission derailleurs? i.e. run a 1x Gravel mullet drivetrain.

[@FanatikBikeCo]

No, the whole Transmission group is not cross compatible with anything other than the original AXS Eagle controller. - Dan P.

[@RideShagbark]

@@FanatikBikeCo That is a little disappointing. But the good news is that it means I can jump on existing GX/Rival AXS stuff for a mullet build without waiting on Transmission to be in-stock. Would have liked the durability and load shifting of Transmission, but I'll appreciate the cost of GX AXS instead. Thanks for the follow-up!

[@goerjantabs7220]

Still have a hanger to connect to the bike but in new form. A hanger fits to the rd not on the bike

[@GokkunGuru]

Video slogan: #thedreamdelivered Those who don’t have UDH bikes: #thedreamundelivered

[@holmesroach]

Replacing this vs mechanical ??

[@stalex35]

They might be replaceable and durable. But what will you do when the battery degrades and it dies on you after 1h of riding

[@raudi3596]

Would it work in minus 30 degrees Celcius?

[@bryanseare2704]

so like why cant people just stick with 11 speed? the cog spacing is far enough apart that the shifting no longer becomes so tolerance dependent and allows a little wiggle room while still shifting smoothly. just make a 52 tooth 11 speed cassette why is that so hard jeez

[@FanatikBikeCo]

You can stick with 11 speed! I've had a bike recently that ran 11 speed. - Dan P.

[@Silkl4sh]

Price of the drivetrain is sick, no matter what i wouldn't buy it unless it comes with my next OEM bike and i just wanna say I love my paycheck, so $$ is not an issue

[@romand123]

I heard that Transmission isn’t compatible with super boost hub spacing…is that true?

[@FanatikBikeCo]

It is! It just changes what spacers you use at the bottom bracket. You can see if it works with your bike here: bikefinder.sram.com/universal-derailleur-hanger-bikes Basically, does your bike have a UDH hanger. - Dan P.

[@ericsundell9978]

Wonder if they'll make this transmission technology with a cable actuated version and or in 10 or 11 speed? That sure would sell me on one!

[@FanatikBikeCo]

I suspect they won't. The costs to develop the manufacturing capacity for that (not to mention the R&D to develop a similar cable actuated version) would be significant, and I bet SRAM doesn't see the return in it. That said, it seems they intend to continue making all the current mechanical components for some time, so I don't think we have to worry about losing access to that. - Dan P.

[@ericsundell9978]

@@FanatikBikeCo Its kinda a shame. I mean, the new direct mount stuff is technology everyone can benefit from regardless of if you like or can afford wireless shifting or can not. A shame you have to go electronic/wireless to have access to it. Maybe the "trickle down" affect that we see with other mtb tech will work its magic here and in a few years maybe we'll see something offered?

[@adamfrbs9259]

Wouldn't take much to make a miniature generator to power it. They should do that.

[@Justin-ny6un]

I thought that the Cranks/Chainrings were backwards compatible. I’m sure it was even said in your first video.

[@rudiger86]

There is no way

[@davidtrudell7424]

I am building out a new bike and I am definitely going to try this out. I’m gonna have to close my eyes and forget about cost. I normally keep a bike for about six years so hopefully I can get my money out of it in the long run.

[@gaylordpantamime]

Don't dude... Wait!

[@davidtrudell7424]

What should I wait for? Price reduction? See how well it works long-term or?.

[@stevenkilleen8149]

Nope not for me 1600 bucks and if something happens may break rear triangle will see in time love rockshox but still run shimano drive train and brakes

[@erod6468]

Cool. One of our friends just cracked his new frame earlier today because of this transmission already. Lol!

[@FanatikBikeCo]

What happened? What frame? - Dan P.

[@erod6468]

@@FanatikBikeCo it's a Bronson, he just got it too. We hit this trail that's really chunky and he bashed up against a pretty large rock hitting the transmission. Wasn't shifting too good after that and when we got down, his rear triangle had a crack and was no longer straight. Basically, from what we could tell, the transmission is very strong. Due to how it mounts though, if hit hard enough it can transfer all that force into the frame and make it the weak point unlike a regular derailleur with a hangar as the weak point. These rocks/stones break a lot of hangers and derailleurs, but not many frames. Popped his cherry lol.

[@FanatikBikeCo]

​@@erod6468 Wild. Has there been any resolution from any of the parties involved? - Dan P.

[@omsteve4761]

⁠@@erod6468do you have any reason to believe that it didn’t hit the frame and the derailleur?

[@erod6468]

@@FanatikBikeCo hey man sorry for the late reply. Last I heard it was all taken care of no issue, and he's now rocking a X01 derailleur instead.

[@hartshorn95]

Long live cable shifting

[@schsch2390]

Unclear to me was whether the new hanger set up means prior hanger frames are incompatible with the new hanger system meaning you just forget about groupos and buy a whole bike?

[@FanatikBikeCo]

If your frame has a UDH (Universal Derailleur Hanger) it is compatible. If not, it is not compatible. - Dan P.

[@schsch2390]

@@FanatikBikeCo Which seems to amount to the same thing, unless your frame is recent enough to include this construction, your options start with a new bike. IOW how backward compatible with other replaceable hangers is the UDH (which does seem remarkably, for SRAM, cheap at $16 retail).

[@ShoneDaddy]

All I care about right now is how Shimano responds.

[@H3avyHaul3r]

be waiting 5yrs…by then SRAM has something thats taken things another important step fwd….

[@aygwm]

The best thing about SRAM is that Shimano exists

[@AM-uk7jv]

"It matters because our livelihood solely depends on you, the consumer, buying these parts that you may or may not need."

[@aleszverca]

The system seems impressive although the weakest point in the system will always break first. Before the weakest point was the derailleur hanger that cost change to replace. Now to me it seems like the weakest point of the system would be the pulleys cage, I wonder if the cost of the cage is lower/same/higher than the trusty hanger... Probably higher...it's the how to pull money from a product that's already been sold...time will tell✌

[@FanatikBikeCo]

In my experience, it has been impacts to the b-knuckle (like the ones we did in our other video) that tend to bend the hanger. Usually the derailleur fares okay with those. Impacts to the cage will often time ruin the derailleur (previous pulley cages were not replaceable). With this derailleur, you can now replace the cage in it's entirety. - Dan P.

[@aleszverca]

@@FanatikBikeCo hey, yes I know it all parts are replaceable now, well my point was, are the weakest parts(that take care of functionality) of this derailleur also as cheap to replace as the derailleur hanger(most probably not) and can you take them with you in a pocket on the trail(obviously not), well anyway the hardcore riders will prove it's usability etc...cheers ✌

[@tirebiter1680]

What they really need to do is invent something that moves the cogs horizontally while the chain stays in the same place.

[@charlesmansplaining]

SRAM doesn't matter you me anymore. Single speed fanatic now. I'm sick of the price hikes and wonky components that don't offer anything tangent when I just want to go ride a bike and depend on it getting back to my starting point. Drivetrains just cost to much money and most parents can't even afford to buy their kids such expensive shit.

[@jamesjenkins8373]

To be honest I can tell you how many times I have bent back my XT 12 speed derailleur

[@razorree]

nice technology showcase, but the price is just plain stupid, especially from MTB, where it's easier to damage things. however I'll stay with Shimano Linkglide on my eMTB (currently I use 11-46s, M8000 XT drivetrain)

[@canadiandeplorable4512]

Nothing like putting all the crash forces through your frame.

[@randygalisky]

Very good review.

[@FanatikBikeCo]

Thanks Randy, appreciate it. - Dan P.

[@zzsql]

I actually like the previous shifter pod. Works great but can I use that with the new Transmission rear derailleur?

[@FanatikBikeCo]

You can! - Dan P.

[@Zetler]

This system belongs on an ebike.

[@ap1reviewsadventures96]

Negative. This belongs on each and everyone of my analog bikes.

[@juluisreyes9094]

But some hardtail frames have different solid construction design of a drop out rear wheel mounting and sram wont fit those..say like the sta cruz jackal, and the intense tazer.

[@aygwm]

Surprise! Now you get to buy a new frame.

[@juluisreyes9094]

@@aygwm Lol.. 🤙🤙🤙

[@TheNoseman1]

This was not invented to be better, but to make more money. More to go wrong, and the loss of a cheap derailleur hanger is sheer stupidity. In biking, if it can go wrong, it will. And here on the North Shore, there are so many rocks I can't see how this is any better or cheaper than what came before. And the fitting standard for this is stupid. Just looking to make frames obsolete as quickly as possible.

[@hza.609]

a tech that solves 0 problem

[@raudi3596]

12 spd cassette:5 X more costly,then my 9 spd ones (3x9 spd system).I would be stupid to go for 1X12

[@Rambleon444]

A hanger is a weak sacrificial spot, cheap, and easy to replace compared to a derailer or frame.

[@zwingler]

If you could replace your rear mech and be done i would be super fine. But you HAVE to replace the whole drivetrain, new chain, new cassette, maybe even your cranks. Super consumer unfriendly. Purely driven by profit.

[@tomridesbikesPNW]

At the end of the day, it's two thousand dollars for a group set.

[@markwells8798]

The shifting performance is no better, Just getting rid of a cable is all it offers.

[@exhibitD79]

The truth is. Most riders don't need this stuff to have fun on a bike. It's a bit better in some ways. But you don't really need it. But they DO need to sell it.

[@toddcoble1485]

They sell a range of price points. Your argument is that most people can't afford it so they shouldn't bother?

[@iamjegzola]

if only this is compatible with non udh frames that would be better for everyone especially when they trickle down the tech to a much cheaper version like what sram did with the GX AXS.

[@paulwilberforce9115]

This entire concept only exists because of udh frames.. So yea kinda a pointless thing to wish existed

[@GokkunGuru]

Totally. #thedreamundelivered

[@matthewferrier9675]

Why no mention of pricing?

[@FanatikBikeCo]

You can find all that right here: www.fanatikbike.com/pages/search-results-page?q=transmission&page=1&rb_product_type=Groupsets Cheers, Dan P.

[@matthewferrier9675]

@@FanatikBikeCo Awesome, thanks.

[@petersilie2432]

As a permanently motorless rider, this System doesn't appeal to me at all. Slower shifts and enormous weight? No, thank you. And the pricing is ridiculous. I'll be going back towards Shimano XT with e*thirteen cassettes in the future. They have the better clutches anyway.

[@c0nsci0usness]

I'll stick to my Microshift Advent X for $180

[@bikebudha01]

Been riding Shimano 3x gearing for 30 years now. It's never failed me. 1x is a joke. Electronic shifting is a joke. But fools and their money are soon parted... (or something like that)...

[@toddcoble1485]

Grumpy guy is here 😆

[@fzr1000981]

It's ok if you can't afford it but no reason to hate new, good technology. I still have a Shimano bike and enjoy it, but this shifts better, especially under load

[@bikebudha01]

@@fzr1000981 I can easily afford. I'm just not a sucker. Analogue shifting has worked amazingly well, and still does. electronic costs 4x as much, and offers no noticeable benefit... It's 'the new shiny' for suckers...