Stukov Shove - TOP DAMAGE STUKOV TANK?! - Bronze 2 Grandmaster S2 2023

[@NoName-pi3dx]

20 E isn't a nerf if you use it right. Allows for substantial AOE damage, slow, and silence that can't be walked out of. If you want, you can also immediately redeploy your E. Massive play maker power. You just have to use it before they move out or before you die, which did not so much happen.

[@moor532]

Nah, you're robbing yourself of a lot of opportunities to use your trait. With this lvl 20 you can't heal your teammates while silencing opponents anymore. Plus immediately redeploying E only works if you got a reset and those take time to get. Focusing on the great plays that can theoretically happen with this and trying to get them just means you're letting your teammates die.

[@NoName-pi3dx]

My experience differs, but okay not every use has to be a game ender. Let's see you literally see anyone on the enemy team. You drop your E and immediately trait. They're immediately helpess for 2.5s and if your team doesn't capitalize on a 4v5 you have larger problems. Also, consider what you're giving up. Shove 20 is junk. Even if you get the miracle cross map shove, you could have done that with the 10. It's trading a new play maker tool for a meme.

[@moor532]

@@NoName-pi3dx I am not denying it has play maker potential. And yes, Stukov 20s are generally underwhelming. However how often do you get the miracle 4 or 5 man silence vs cancelling your E when you need to really heal your team with trait. In E build you want your E on the ground for as long as you can for resets, that 20 works against that plan. If you have root 13, this 20 destroys your root combo and is useless, and without E reset you sac your E for it. It just doesn't seem like the payoff from the miracle play outweighs the change in playstyle and sacrifice in flexibility you have to endure in most situations. But hey, if it works for you that's god, Personally I find it underwhelming and Stukov would profit from some 20 changes. Alas, that's wishful thinking.

[@DaweSlayer]

OMG poor nerds got "handed" over to death it self

[@tc05698]

I really appreciate you not using 4 letter words to describe your feelings and even filtering on sayings that involve them, just a personal preference, but I feel like our ability to express ourselves being lowered to 4 letter words is a regression in society as a whole. :P