Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore - Movie Review

The saga of the milking of the Wizarding World continues with the 3rd Fantastic Beasts movie. Here's my review for FANTASTIC BEASTS: THE SECRETS OF DUMBLEDORE!
#FantasticBeasts #WizardingWorld

[@Ice-yu8tn]

Getting the role of Grindelwald has basically become the same as getting the role of defense against of the dark arts in the Harry Potter story.

[@qdominika7253]

But in real life lol

[@TheDarkRaven]

🤣🤣🤣

[@15Candles]

Who knows they might recast Grindelwald in the next movie because Mads Mikkelsen is busy with other projects 😂😂😂

[@TheDarkRaven]

@@15Candles 🥺😭

[@laviniasnow4494]

@@15Candles Yes, busy with other projects after this movie will flop and definitely not because of him since he's an amazing actor.

[@Shad0w5carab]

I still can’t fathom why this series needed to be 5 movies. Newt should have had 1 movie that focused entirely on him and the fantastic beasts. The Dumbledore stuff should have been separate and imo it would have worked better as a TV series

[@15Candles]

Because that's what Rowling's plan all along, this isn't WB milking the franchise, it's basically them following what Rowling wanted. Rowling has envisioned the Fantastic Beasts movie to be 5 movies since the start, she has a road map already for where the story would go. This is what happened when you're running out of source material and decided to come up new things for the movies that left off very messy at this point. It's always her rewriting stuff in that road map because of the criticism the movies had. Reminded me of GOT, once D&D ran out of source material, they both have nowhere else to go and just be like "random bullshit, let's go!!!"

[@soakedlemons9990]

@@15Candles lol I miss game of thrones so much. 10 seasons would've done justice to that amazing show.

[@obara7366]

To hold on to the IP, that's 99% of the reason why. Oh, that and money, but the former is still under money.

[@obara7366]

@@15Candles It's what Rowling wanted, but it's still all about money at the end of the day. Isn't the source material only one book?

[@kingsleycy3450]

If they are going the cinematic universe route, they should dedicate a solo movie to some of the characters so we give a damn about them. There are more characters in the Fantastic Beasts movies than there are in Harry Potter, and the audience don't care for any of them.

[@bollhav64]

From a "expanding on the world of Harry Potter" perspective, the most grievous sin this franchise has unearthed is the fact that at some point, the whole magical community decided that trenchcoats and three piece suits were no longer stylish, and that curtains are hot as shit 🔥

[@mursaleensaleem1806]

is fantastic beast canon to Harry Potter series?

[@bollhav64]

@@mursaleensaleem1806 As far as i know it is.

[@mursaleensaleem1806]

@@bollhav64 then im okay with this series,but its really bad tho

[@maysilversi8253]

hmm was is the whole magical community or was it just the viewpoint from wizards in America to the UK

[@nouvellegamine]

yeah, it's so irritating that WB decided that wizards wear nearly thr same clothes as muggles. in the books they wear a combo of medieval style robes and 16th century clothing (from when wizards went underground).

[@Immallama22]

They could have had a comfy little trilogy with Newt & friends tracking down magical beasts across the Americas and they absolutely destroyed it with the Dumbledore/Grindelwald stuff.

[@danthemeegs8751]

Yep. Or the other way around. Have a Dumbledore/Grindelwald trilogy by itself. Instead… we just have this confusing mess of characters and plots. It’s baffling.

[@bigstunna2049]

Agreed I thought the series was gonna expand on the magic in different countries I didn't want another visit to hogwarts

[@alenor210]

Not “they,” Rowling. She had sole creative control over this dumpster fire of a franchise and she’s responsible for everything that’s wrong with it.

[@FB87291]

A trilogy of beast hunting sounds like the most boring thing ever imagined

[@palladiamorsdeus]

@@alenor210 Not a surprise. She isn't a particularly good writer, she mainly got big by people being told she was big and people getting sucked into the idea that Harry Potter was amazing. But hey, it got her rich and famous so she gets to be the queen of fake it til you make it.

[@Nemesis_T-Type]

This franchise should be just called "Harmless zoologist gets dragged into a pointless war for some reason"

[@Marymwangi0007]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@gudhaxer41343]

Accurate af. At this point the titles doesn't even make sense.

[@manny-xr1md]

It sucks like Marvel. MCU Marvel that is

[@woodside4life]

I would absolutely watch that movie.

[@Mikeh2077]

He only stepped in to get unbanned from international travel.

[@LunaWitcher]

I wished they kept telling the story of Newt Scamander and solely that. I would love to see him exploring other countries and ecosystems to find different beasts. He could have different sidekicks every movie. Maybe some people would come back, maybe some wouldn't. It didn't need to be an overarching thing. It could be Pirates Of The Caribbean but with magical beasts.

[@brettpalmer1770]

Sounds like Dr. Who almost. It probably would have made a great TV series.

[@ethanhansen1479]

Could you imagine see how different cultures as witches and wizards. It would be so interesting

[@borris3768]

That would be so boring

[@borris3768]

@@brettpalmer1770 dr who is one of the worst shows ever

[@angelaarcher2355]

I adored the first movie! After the second one, I was like why is it still called 'Fantastic Beasts....'

[@CharlieZuko]

Things I didn’t like: 1) Tina getting sidelined 2) The revelation of Credence/Aurelius being Aberforth’s son happening in casual conversation 3) Confirmation of Ariana being an obscurial in the same casual conversation 4) Breaking the blood pact so easily, almost accidentally 5) The chilling bowing to Dumbledore didn’t make sense, Dumbledore himself has admitted his fatal mistakes and flaws. Bowing to Newt, or even Jacob, would’ve been more suitable 6) Yusuf Kama is kinda just there. Actually, without Leta Lestrange I don’t think he has much to add to the plot.

[@victoralejandrotrimmerestr3672]

jacob is also just there, and newts brother, they dont do anything than any other character could have done i understand newt has few friends and a brother, but it was dumbledores objective to stop the bad guy not newts, the team should be assembled by dumbledores close and powerful allies not newts friends

[@ramonlrey99com]

Everybody we must work together to watch the Northman it is perhaps one of the best films this year and we need more it!

[@aameralmansour6679]

Also where tf did Nagini go?

[@duck-ew5zs]

Tina definite should've been here. Her sister just joined a terrorist group, would've made sense for her to abandon her job just to try and get her sister back.

[@grim_2000]

@@aameralmansour6679 She was left in Paris (in 2nd movie).

[@maineman5757]

It's crazy that Johnny Depp lost is roles but people like Erza Miller are still protected by Hollywood.

[@maineman5757]

@Sebastian S He grabbed some woman by the throat and choke slammed her, assaulted a few other people. Broke into some peoples apartment robbed them and threated to have them murdered.

[@maineman5757]

@Sebastian S yeah.... there might be more stuff but that's what I remember. There is a video of the choke slam too.

[@Femmeaesthetic]

I sometimes don't understand why innocent people by hollywood get shadowed by them sometimes when they did nothing wrong but the guilty people are sometimes protected and not even held accountable it's very odd

[@Mr_Cinematic]

Yoooo if you enjoyed this you should watch my rant about the first two movies!

[@dennisrdgaard8949]

@@maineman5757 on his vacation in Hawaii he got 10 police reports on 7 days.. he did stuff 😅

[@MortalMostly]

Mads Mikkelsen can lure you into a situation where youre in too deep cause thats basically what he did for the entirety of Hannibal. bless that man, he is so good

[@ajpat9620]

He's also great as Le Chiffe in Casino Royale, one of the best rebooted James Bond movies, and his terrific performance in that movie is a reason why Casino Royale is so rewatchable.

[@phantom8906]

Dont care what fannibals say how he got the Rolex is fxking BS so fxk this movie

[@codinghusky5196]

problem is, in THIS movie, Mads Mikklesen can lure you in so deep, you realize it only when you hear yourself snoring.

[@recoveringintrovert717]

And no matter what, he always yeets himself off a cliff in the end

[@germanerd6148]

@@recoveringintrovert717 I laughed way too hard at this

[@Syraks]

They should have split the series into “Fantastic Beasts” and “Dumbledore v. Grindelwald” after the first movie!! They would have had two cohesive stories (and more material) instead of an Age of Ultron mess every movie…

[@terrinils3165]

I agree. Two separate stories that should have nothing to do with other.

[@namor2x2x]

@@terrinils3165 so an HPCU?

[@terrinils3165]

That use to simply be called the canon setting. But Marvel has warped so many minds that some people have forgotten that two stories can exist in the same universe without referencing each other. @@namor2x2x

[@wikansaktianto9215]

@@terrinils3165 I agree with you, but Fantastic Beast has been ruined since they introduced Ezra Miller as the macguffin of the franchise. It should have been the journey of Newt Scamander dealing with the magical beast like enchanted Rubeus Hagrid in a much bigger world. Not to mention JK. Rowling wants to introduce American Witch School of Charles Xavier..

[@terrinils3165]

@@wikansaktianto9215 The ending of first Fantastic Beast is where the whole concept was betrayed. It would have been better if Grindelward never appeared. Credence wasn't a Obcura or related to Dumbledor in any way. He would simply be a magic user saved by Newt and sent off to the American version of Hogwarts and we never see him again (until they want to do a spin-off). Newt would continue on his travels around the world finding beasts.

[@jacobsed6665]

Totally agree, they made Johnny Depp look too non-human like Voldemort, when that wasn’t what his character was about. Voldemort literally split his soul into pieces in order to survive, so looking non-human works. But Mads version is so much better and makes sense why Dumbledore would’ve fell for him.

[@kyuminnie137]

You put it perfectly ❤

[@TheMindofagenius1]

Is the part about Dumbledore "falling for" what's his face, actually apparent in this movie? I remember them saying they weren't gonna go for it...

[@jacobsed6665]

@@TheMindofagenius1 Yes, he mentions a few times straight up that he was ‘in love’ with Grindelwald. But that was it. However I feel like it could be spun as a brotherly love or an idolisation infatuation love rather than romantic love for conservative countries like China. Or the line could even be cut out entirely. Nothing really intimate or sexual. There was a part where they are duelling and touch each other’s chests in resistance, but still not really ‘romantic’. But that’s just my take on it. Now if they ever do a kiss scene, that would be ballsy of Warner Bros 😂

[@TheMindofagenius1]

@@jacobsed6665 that's funny. One more thing, if you know anything about this..... I tried looking up a couple keywords but not much came up immediately so I gave up, but, I know the "fantastic beasts" element in these movies is based on a book, but is any of the Dumbledor past stuff based on already existing book/material? Or is this the first time Rowling writes his past, but just in movie/script form?

[@jacobsed6665]

@@TheMindofagenius1 It was mentioned in somewhat but of detail in the actual Harry Potter books. Mainly that Dumbledore and Grindelwald had history and that Grindelwald hated Muggles also about how his sister Ariana died. But I guess these movies add more detail to what actually happened.

[@msrainbowbrite]

My favourite scene is when Pickett is falling and "Teddy" leaps in the air and catches the coins instead of pickett

[@SPhantoms9000]

"Fantastic Beasts and the Crimes of Cinematic Story Telling." Dude I swear Jeremy never fails to make us laugh. 😂

[@LuisSierra42]

The crimes of Johnny Depp

[@MasDoeL]

a crime indeed

[@b14ker14]

The reason Miller is not in the movie is because he's a fucking psycho path. He just got out of jail last week and they are thinking of remaking the flash movie because he's having serious mental issues and it's already shot. lol

[@SamRieger]

hogwarts legacy is coming out round the holiday

[@MMAli-rq8kd]

*Fantastic Beasts and the Secrets of Dmb Storytelling* It's right there Jeremy, you just missed the dad joke/pun for THIS title!

[@ThomasAlanWayne]

The thing about the fantastic beast franchise is that it has an identity problem. It doesn’t know what it wants to be. The first movie was about newt and his fantastic and sure they wove in the whole grindelwald storyline, but it worked and the focus was still on gathering these beasts that had escaped Newt’s case. However the story has now become about Grindelwald and Dumbledore and the whole fantastic beast element is put on the background. So basically they want to have Grindelwald be the new Voldemort and have that storyline with Dumbledore, but they started it off as Fantastic beast and want to capitalize on that name. So they sort of keep going with the beast element and Newt Scamander, but by trying to do essentially two separate storylines in one they are doing none successfully.

[@f.miller801]

Exactly it doesn't build up a new world at all. Just tries to repeat the main franchise with a different skin. No imagination to focus on the world and beasts.

[@manny-xr1md]

Thanks for the analysis Doctor. Wait, nobody cares about your opinion.

[@R3lyk5605]

Why can't any of these other studios figure out how to do an Expanded Universe?

[@marcosantoro7465]

And for this reason, the plot is convoluted beyond immagination

[@leftifornian2066]

The problem is JK Rowling writing the screenplays, she should never touch it

[@chrismanahan1533]

They should have focus on the magical beasts in the wizarding world, and this could have been like the Jurassic World of the HP universe. And they could have made another movie series based on younger Dumbledore stories which can be more adult and darker and more political (not political correctness, I mean like betrayal and alliances). And that way, they could have made more stories and more money.

[@mercedesf1fan176]

Nobody would pay to see Dumbledore alone. They needed a buffer also something to lighten the mood.

[@Tao_Tology]

Yeah, either a magical creatures worlds film OR a 'here's the wizaring war backstory'

[@chrismanahan1533]

@@mercedesf1fan176 I kinda disagree. A lot of HP fans are older now, and probably more open now to a much mature story, close to Game of Thrones, but not as dark/gloomy (or as sexual). More on like the politics, backstabbing, choosing sides, spying on your enemies stuff, while utilizing magic. And it doesn't have to be Dumbledore as the only lead, but he will be like the center character. Jude Law is actually doing really good as a young Dumbledore. I just think they missed an opportunity to make more stories (and more money) by combining a Dumbledore story and Fantastic Beasts. Fantastic Beast could have focused more on Newt, make his character more like Indiana Jones or Chris Pratt-type-ish of character (but British). Like maybe use actor Tom Hardy or Taron Egerton as Newt. He relies more on brawn and his knowledge on Magical beasts in solving problems, but he is actually inherently good at magic. And his family keeps telling him that he is wasting his gift/ability by being a zoologist. And he goes around the world chronicling/studying powerful magical beasts, solving mysteries, like trying to discover why Dragons becoming more restless on this part of the world, etc. And he can also like make a cameo to Dumbledore story, or even appear as an ally at the end of that story.

[@ferb5376]

So, a straight Dumbledore?

[@chrismanahan1533]

@@ferb5376 Huh, I never said he needs to be straight. Are you referring to the part I said "not political correctness". I am just clarifying the term "political" that I used there. What I am saying is that the plot can be more political in terms like alliances and betrayal. So I am describing the plot not Dumbledore. Dumbledore is gay and I am all ok with that, since I am a gay man myself lol. I think movies/stories can have gay characters or gay relationships without getting too pc or too woke. But that's a different topic, and that is not what I meant in my statement there.

[@recoveringintrovert717]

Mads was excellent in the role, much more magnetic and charming. Still, I feel awful for Johnny, who didn't deserve to be fired because of false accusations.

[@ramonlrey99com]

Everybody we must work together to watch the Northman it is perhaps one of the best films this year and we need more it!

[@chrisytfc879]

He was found guilty of spousal abuse in a UK court case and had an appeal which was rejected.

[@ramonlrey99com]

@@chrisytfc879 yeah but everyone knows that court case was ridiculous

[@duderRechthat]

Johnny owns a private island in the Bahamas and other property all over the world, flies private everywhere and gets 20 million per film while 99% of actors cannot make a decent living off of their passion, you dont have to feel to bad for him lol

[@recoveringintrovert717]

@@duderRechthat no, I don't have to, but on a human level, I do

[@15Candles]

I think Rowling should just stay away from writing a screenplay even if she was helped by a professional screenwriter in this case, she's a book author, not a movie writer, it's two different things. Just because you can write a good book doesn't mean you can write a good screenplay for a movie

[@Green815]

She's also not a very good book author. She struck gold with Harry Potter, but her newer works? Not very good.

[@15Candles]

@@Green815 she's a good book author with Harry Potter and the Fantastic Beasts book was fine, not too bad. The sequels of the first movie was basically all her original idea, it's basically like D&D with GOT, when they're running out of source material, the next ones should be from their own ideas

[@Peasham]

I think Rowling should stay away in general.

[@firstlast9846]

TheBreezyTrousers - that’s not what I’ve heard - I’ve heard some people who really enjoy the more obscure works she did.. but idk guess it’s subjective.

[@Green815]

@@jerredjones9900 I too have watched Shaun's video on Harry Potter. Have you got any original thoughts?

[@Horror-Man]

It's sad how the HP books had really badass but also intriguing titles like Half-Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows while the FB franchise just goes with the laziest, in-your-face, clickbait-y shit like Crimes of Grindelwald (ooooooh) or Secrets of Dumbledore (aaaaaah). Like, I swear the next one better not be called the Mysteries of Hogwarts.

[@thewhitewolf1156]

I bet 4 or 5 will be Mysteries of Hogwarts

[@mirkecWii]

Fantastic beasts: The Clash of Ex-Friends

[@thewhitewolf1156]

@@mirkecWii Fantastic Beasts: We are not in Hogwarts anymore

[@ThePreciseClimber]

Fantastic Beasts 4: The Mysteries of Hogwarts Fantastic Beasts 5: The Duels of Wizards

[@Daxons]

Fantastic Beast: The Cinema Is Empty.

[@hunterkiller1440]

I was under the impression they'll reveal Jacob as a squib and is actually an heir to Hufflepuff who was exiled because he's a squib.

[@ivy-queenofworms]

I’m one of like 3 people who liked the first fantastic beasts movie because the grindelwald stuff was a subplot rather than the focus. It made the world feel bigger that yeah a bumbling zoologist wouldn’t stand a chance against an international wizard terrorist. Plus it actually focused on the beasts in a fun way. Sad that the second was so bad but that’s JK’s writing for you.

[@ronanelliott9844]

I also liked the first movie! It wasn't perfect but it was straightforward and very fun.

[@jadepika9717]

The second was bad? How?

[@PaolaRL]

I enjoyed the first movie, the second one gave me a headache

[@naustinfipecto6104]

Wait really? I thought the first one was the liked one.

[@palladiamorsdeus]

@@naustinfipecto6104 It is, not sure what she's talking about.

[@Jo3yPropane]

I don't think Ezra's lack of on-screen charisma is the biggest issue with his career right now....

[@thebossrayden]

By definition it is. In his personal life no.

[@shortznig2938]

Yeah like threatening to kill people

[@MM-jc7uv]

He made me want to kill myself as Flash every time he was on-screen

[@kingragnork]

Dude is a lunatic

[@ninjanibba4259]

He’s exactly why I don’t like his Flash

[@Superavghuman]

The whole Dumbledore story feels like it was shoehorned into what should’ve been Newt’s story of just traveling the world and discovering new magical beasts and monsters. Something fun and exciting. I have no expectations for the rest of the series after it made me fall asleep for a whole scene in the second movie.

[@wackyswacky1374]

The Wizard World War (starring Dumbledore and Grindlewald) and the Adventures of Newt Scamander should have been 2 separate series.

[@kitkatxk2814]

@@wackyswacky1374 amen.

[@Lance37a]

@@wackyswacky1374 there isn't enough story for Newt, the first movie was alright.

[@alpatrack7936]

@@Lance37a Not if you give him scenarios and places to go. Think of the Indiana Jones franchise. Each movie jumps into different settings, Supporting Characters, and villains, with the connecting thread being Indy himself. Now imagine we got Newt Traveling to exotic magical locations in Asia, Africa, Europe, americas etc. As we learn of different wizard Ing world cultures, he can rescue beasts from poachers, Enter a lost city hosting an ancient beast, or see him champion for the rights for Goblins, giants and centaurs. you can make a fun series about Newts world-traveling adventures and extensively world build the Harry Potter universe.but that takes creativity, something WB lacks

[@UsonoHoushi]

@@wackyswacky1374 I respectfully disagree. I think having both would work if JK took more time with the writing. her bighest mistake was switching the focus. since we're also learning the culture of the countries, which also means we learn the relationships between Wizards and muggles. Newt's actions would have eventually affected Grindelwald's actions. What woulnd have made the series stand out and entertaining would be if the main focus was Newt, the country and the beast. while in the background is Grindelwald slowly starting a war. but the difference is... Newt should have NEVER been directly involved. he just affects it with while he studies and helps the beasts.

[@fudgemonkeyz69]

Dan Fogler is a national treasure. He must be protected at all cost.

[@williamradke4290]

"Looks like Warner Brothers cut the Red Wire when they should've cut the blue wire" I laughed so hard at this, and unfortunately its true as well. Ezra is such a problem WB needs to cut bait on him and do it quickly if they want to start fixing The Flash movie.

[@TheMindofagenius1]

I was gonna ask what he meant by that reference.... I don't keep up with the "drama" of celebrities so would you please explain what's going on?

[@EobardKhan]

Ezra Miller's actions lately haven't exactly been great. Third reported count of violent behaviour in public.

[@williamradke4290]

@@TheMindofagenius1 Sure Thing. So to summarize: 2 years ago Ezra Miller was caught on video choking a young woman and bringing her to the ground outside of a bar he had been kicked out of in Iceland. Then last week or so Ezra was arrested and put in jail for disorderly behavior because he was drunk and was harassing patrons. Then a couple he was staying with bailed him out AND THE LITERAL NEXT DAY they filed for a restraining order(which was granted) against him including limiting his access to weapons. Why did they do this? Because Ezra broke into their room in the middle of the night and threatened to kill them then stole their wallets which had money and other info in it. Unfortunately though that isn't the worst of it because before he was arrested in Hawaii the police had to be called 10 TIMES due to Ezra's behavior. Now the heads at Warner Brothers have decided to halt any other upcoming movies with Ezra in it, and other companies are doing the same. The problem is Ezra stars in WBs new movie The Flash next year so WB has to also decide what to do about that as well. However they may not get to because next week they merge with Discovery and the new boss is David Zaszlav and isn't a jumbled mess like it was in the past. So there could be more to this story depending on what WB and Zaszlav decides to do. I hope this helps, also I don't follow celebrity drama either but this was movie news and I did a little research on my own.

[@TheMindofagenius1]

@@williamradke4290 brrrruh.... talk about problematic! I mean even back when everyone thought Johnny Depp "was an abuser", that's literally nothing in comparison to THIS!! Sheeesh... But thank you for taking the time and summarizing it =)

[@williamradke4290]

@@TheMindofagenius1 yeah np glad to help

[@matthewvivian7235]

I actually think it could be interesting for Grindelwald's character if they got a different actor to play him in all five movies. Hell, they've already done the first three. Just retcon it as part of his master deceiver personality that he could be anyone.

[@matthew1882]

Yeah fuck it why not. At least it'd be interesting.

[@UsonoHoushi]

True. at this point it should be a part of the series. missed opportunity to do a who Grindelwald twist in all of the endings.

[@JustJoe10]

Would be amazing if they confirmed the fantheories and made him a metamorphmagus

[@Mr_Cinematic]

Yoooo if you enjoyed this you should watch my rant about the first two movies!

[@matthewvivian7235]

@@Mr_Cinematic I'm good. There's more than enough KZbin channels ranting about movies already. I enjoyed them when I was a teenager, but it's not really very productive getting angry over a movie you didn't like. The filmmakers were only trying to entertain you for two hours, and if they didn't succeed, that's a shame, but it's not the end of the world.

[@DecMurphy]

I think the first Fantastic Beasts film was pretty good as a stand alone wizarding world adventure, but the moment they started bringing in the whole Grindlewald thing it just made less and less sense. I think they should have just done a one off Fantastic Beasts film and then done a completely separate Dumbledore backstory film or series. I think JK Rowling should just not write scripts and just be like a creative consultant or something, kind of like George Lucas should have been with the prequels.

[@wiz3404]

at least Revenge of the Sith was great because he knew exactly where he wanted the story to lead, so maybe the final Fantastic Beast will be too?

[@randomdude189]

That second movie is sooooooooooo bad I actually cheered when lestrange died lol

[@randomdude189]

@@wiz3404 nah that’s not a good plan. I’ll make 2 bad movies but don’t worry it’s building to a movie you’ll love that’ll require you to watch the bad movies to enjoy it lol good logic

[@har5814]

@@wiz3404 Exactly and there's a final plan that's the reason why it expanded to five.

[@HayDayEveryday]

I actually loved the second film more than the first one. It was more mature, dark and kinda felt the same as Harry Potter. Idk why people hate these films as it's pretty obvious JK Rowling had the entire idea already in her mind from the first movie.

[@lockygreen9502]

I always wanted Mads Mikkelsen to play Grindelwald I thought he would be fantastic, also the fact that Grindelwald was European, because what I found kind of great about the Harry Potter movies that all the actors where from where there characters where from.

[@ramonlrey99com]

Everyone we must work together to watch the Northman it is perhaps one of the best films this year and we need more it!

[@karly.asshhh]

I'm sorry for Johnny Depp but I never liked his interpretation of Grindelwald and I didn't buy that Dumbledore could fell for some like him. I think Mads interpretation makes way more sense with the story and will have a better screen chemistry with Jude Law. Other than that, we didn't need 5 movies of this series. As a series it feels messy, boring at times, and there are too many plots and characters. It should have ended with a trilogy.

[@xdgamer0189]

Ikr just the thing of dumbledore being a gay person kinda puts me of cuz i didnt think he'd be a gay person after watching the old harry potter series

[@blur3611]

@@xdgamer0189 so you're homophobic ? he has been gay since the last book was released

[@phantom8906]

How he got the role is still fxked up so no forgivness

[@curiosityredpill7030]

@@xdgamer0189 you already know they think a gay character must be in every movie and tv show

[@xdgamer0189]

@@takeshikyasuto1264 yep and next to no beasts while its called fantastic beasts 💀

[@TheLonelyGoomba]

Such a strange series of movies. I thought the first movie was ok...as a one off thing. I just can't imagine anyone is really a huge fan of these movies. This is what happens when you want to milk the Harry Potter IP but you run out of source material. Gotta just throw crap at the wall and see what sticks.

[@gianthand8130]

I used to be a big fan of the first movie at one point.

[@rlee7389]

It’s technically still source material slightly

[@martinacosta3821]

I actually like both movies

[@BernardoWLopes]

My thoughts exactly. To the T. So yeah, even that first movie wasn't anything amazingly good, but it was coherent, had heart, so it was a nice little adition... But the 2nd was was so convoluted, my God. What a mess. Didn't really have any expectations for this one so it's all good lol

[@Alfonso88279]

That's what I think too. The first one was good. Not great. But pretty damn good. The first problem with the second one is that it should not have been fantastic beasts. There should have been two series of movies: Fantastic beasts AND the Grindelwald story. Two different series. They tried to force so much stuff into the second one that it was a nightmare to watch, nothing made sense.

[@victorm152]

to be fair, I still love the first Fantastic Beasts movie. It's a charming, upbeat film that is part of the world Harry Potter belongs to but manages to stand on its own and brings something new to the mix...coming out of Crimes of Grindelwald, on the other hand, I was still fathoming what the hell I even just saw.

[@AimlessSky]

The story and flow of this film was so much better than the previous installment. It was definitely wise of WB to bring back Steve Kloves to work on the screenplay, because JK Rowling clearly did not managed to do so especially with Crimes of Grindelwald.

[@sterling7]

It doesn't help that Newt is kind of a puff-pastry without any filling. "Oddball hero who cares about magical animals", the brief said, and it doesn't feel like we've learned much more than that; almost everyone who surrounds him is more interesting. I will say I don't think that's Redmayne's fault; the sense I get is that he hasn't been given much more than that brief to work with.

[@spinlok3943]

While I have nothing against Jude Law, they totally missed an opportunity to cast Jared Harris as young Dumbledor. He's Richard Harris' son after all.

[@Revan-eb1wb]

damn. I did not know that jared harris is his son? Good to know

[@ajpat9620]

To be fair, Jude Law did well as the young Dumbledore. After all, Jude Law is an accomplished and talented actor in his own right.

[@spinlok3943]

@@ajpat9620 He did do well. Although Jared Harris is an accomplished actor as well, he was the main guy in the Chernobyl series.

[@ajpat9620]

@@spinlok3943 Fair enough as well.

[@Mr_Cinematic]

Yoooo if you enjoyed this you should watch my rant about the first two movies!

[@tessaballer5964]

"The best of forgettable is still forgettable." I would like this to be printed as an official review quote please!!

[@JozefDelMundo]

I was actually quite surprised they were able to fix all the messes crimes of grindelwald presented. I really hope we do end up getting movies 4 and 5.

[@michaelherrera4914]

In the books they’re not supposed to understand how non wizards, wearing swim trunks with a dress shirt etc. but now they’re all dressed stylish

[@ramonlrey99com]

Everyone we must work together to watch the Northman it is perhaps one of the best films this year and we need more it!

[@ursaminor9780]

Between JK Rowling, WB firing Johnny Depp, and now Ezra Miller (granted, their whole debacle is much more recent, but it makes that choking incident from a few years back a lot more believable), this movie rivals The Flash in actively giving me reasons not to see certain WB franchise films. Also, aren’t there supposed to be FIVE of these things?

[@sanchobanana3507]

I‘m out of the loop, what’s the matter with Ezra miller any what choking incident?

[@rastazorastra1772]

@@sanchobanana3507 he choked a young female fan in Iceland at a bar like nine years ago said she was being too “pushy”

[@theeidofe9716]

@@rastazorastra1772 he just popped off again at a karaoke bar in Hawaii last week

[@kentokim]

@@sanchobanana3507 attacked someone at a karaoke bar last week and then broke into a couple's hotel room.

[@Revan-eb1wb]

@@sanchobanana3507 he done some shit in hawaii. 10 times the police were called because of him. He attacked somone at the bar and then robbed a couple. He also filmed people in secret and refuesed to leave several buildings. That guy is a fucking desaster

[@mizhobo1808]

I’m glad to hear my opinion vindicated. I’ve always thought Mads was a better fit for the character, now the way he ended up getting the role is lamentable. It should’ve been him from the start, nothing against Johnny but they wanted to use his chameleon talent and transform him into a character that just…wasn’t Grindlewald. He’s a GREAT actor but was definitely miscast.

[@ajpat9620]

My thoughts exactly.

[@sexydirrtymoney]

I think it was JK Rowling who insisted on Johnny Depp be casted as Grindelwald not WB

[@dodixaverius9176]

@@sexydirrtymoney i think from what I saw, they considered not casting Johny, due to then allegation of domestic violence. Rowling just vouch for him after probably hearing the man out. It's not like JK Rowling had a good eye in casting people, tv tropes list many actors that she envisioned play the character in the movies but most of them were rejected. Thanks to Rowling preference of British actor, even the supposedly American characters were not even played by American Actors.

[@Nightman221k]

Johnny Depp plays Grindelwald as yet another over-the-top weirdo, just like pretty much every character he plays. I haven’t seen the movie but I know how good Mads is already able to play a layered and intriguing character who I could see Dumbledore being infatuated with. I can’t with Depp.

[@ramonlrey99com]

Everybody we must work together to watch the Northman it is perhaps one of the best films this year and we need more it!

[@kevindiossi]

Before going to see this yesterday, my wife and I sat down and rewatched the Crimes of Grindelwald again - at least we tried to. Before the final climactic scene in the tomb that also happens to feature a massive stadium, we both lost interest and turned it off. Then we picked up the next morning to watch/listen in the car on the way to the theater. We were reminded that we had so many questions and were looking forward to finding out the answers in Secrets of Dumbledore….only to have SOME questions answered and even more new questions than before. There’s no “payoff” in this movie at all. There is no conclusion that we can happily accept - should a 4th film not be produced - and felt disappointed. The new character, Eulalie, is shoved down our throats with far too much dialogue and screen time. The actress overacted her lines and the accent a lot too - it was very distracting. All my wife and I want to know now is why Katherine Waterston was totally excluded from the main storyline and why she was replaced with this new character that brings nothing to the movie? Did they believe her relationship with Newt could distract us from the plot? Also, Newt’s brother does nothing but make a couple judgmental remarks and get captured - he was severely underused and underwritten versus the newcomer, Eulalie. I give the movie 5/10. Considering we both thought we were watching the final movie of a trilogy, we now have very little interest in seeing a 4th film. How/why they didn’t wrap this up in the massively too long runtime is beyond me. I think this one is going to flop hard for them and also force Universal to evaluate their new Florida theme park plans. (P.S. Mads Mikkelson absolutely delivered and made Depp’s performance feel like a cartoon with his stupid white eye that never existed in any literary reference.)

[@DaNOliveiraDaN]

This movie is great. Of course there will be more questions because there will be 5 movies, so they can't give away all of it in this movie. For quite obvious reasons, right?

[@reyr.7439]

Agree, the climate was quite underwhelming. I thought this would be the end the Trilogy, but now there’s another 2 films planned.

[@lizh2539]

@@DaNOliveiraDaN Yeah I don't remember any complaints from the HP franchise where there were multiple movies that raised more questions than they answered. Idk why people hate on this movie for doing exactly what most franchises do. Everyone around me loved it, my newspapers are giving it good reviews. It's almost like it's really the biggest HP fans that seem to hate the franchise the most. Kinda like with the tv show Glee lol

[@Cephira11]

I was also angry to see Katherine's character cut out of the movie. Doing some research it seems it was because she was very vocal against some of J.K Rowling ideas about the trans community. It seems Rowling is not very feminist towards cis-women that defends trans rights.

[@ramonlrey99com]

Everybody we must work together to watch the Northman it is perhaps one of the best films this year and we need more it!

[@phipres5732]

Just saw the movie . Trying to describe my general opinion without any spoiler type specificity: - was kind of disappointing, no, it was just disappointing in general beyond the interest to see where they were leading the storyline. Yyou need to 'really' be invested in the characters/movies to have the chance to feel satisfied by this movie. - Mads Mikkelsen brought the level of acting and character complexity up above most/all of the other actors. - There's issues with things like: ..... sudden jumps in character developments/arcs without showing any of the reasons/lead up to getting there (it's simply expected that you'd guess at that yourself on your own time), ..... emotional investment in characeters/scenes issues: they try to drum up a sense of desperation(/racing against time/being found out and closed in on/monitored as a traitor) type feelings but do it in a very 'tell the audience' not 'show' kind of way so you never really 'feel' it, it's more a case of 'look we have character A,B & C, to introduce, aren't they great? oh yeah, a war and stuff is meant to be happening too.. oh shiny thing!...'. ..... pacing issues: There's no scene/character development for it, and as soon as they get to the big event that they were racing towards then suddenly it's all about slow scenes, every character having extending time to have whole discussions while the others just stand and wait their turn. It felt fabricated and melodramatic as if that'd make up for the lack of any sense of urgency or impending doom behind it. Then it just kind of ended. - This is not a movie that emotionally grips you to believe in the emotions of the circumstances/characters in the movie, it's more like passively watching something touching near to an emotion that'd be relevant to the 'desperate' times of an impending war, before it runs straight back to trying for light-hearted character interactions/side-jokes. - They seemed to spend the most time on trying to reframe the view of Dumbledore as being a purely good/self-sacrificing/innocently motivated individual who has sucha great unrivaled understanding of everything (people/humanity/society/the 'needs' of everyone) that his omniscient, never explaining, pawn-moving strategist way of treating everyone is not only justified but to be admired. This being different from the view developed by many fans over the years of him being more of an unable to be questioned manipulator who plays with peoples actions/thoughts like a chess-master for 'the greater good,' expecting full trust, adherence to his unclear instructions, etc. Any differing views on the character are apparently meant to be deemed as being immediately proved wrong/misunderstood, all by a quick self-glorifying scene related to a animal (am trying for no spoilers), but nothing is questioned about it, everything is just 100% accepted at face value because the animal said so, without even the same confirmation questioning for this animal that happened 10 seconds ago for the other one. It all jsut feels like it was designed to be one sweeping statement about his character that clears the view of anything not positive and in not in awe of the character.

[@deborahzawacki9536]

We don't have the books to fill in the gaps----

[@RespectedGamer72]

You've summed up every issue I had with this film. I still enjoyed it, but I was especially annoyed with the way things were staged, in particular the way the characters all had to be as dramatic as possible while delivering their lines, which meant that they would, at some points, be having full conversations between just the two of them while everyone else just stood around and watched. It's something that I noticed with every David Yates directed Harry Potter movie, and it makes certain scenes just feel awkward to watch. I often wonder how much this series would benefit if another director took the reigns for a movie or two.

[@ramonlrey99com]

Everybody we must work together to watch the Northman it is perhaps one of the best films this year and we need more it!

[@komalghaghada2295]

100% agree. Especially with bit about them jumping character and arc development. And the massive bit that I had an issue with Tina being sidelined along with other people we were introduced to. I feel like there was this accidental build up they had which led many people to think that Bunty was just Tina in disguise (polyjuice potion). There might have been real life issues the actress had to deal with but the way they worked around it in the movie was horrible and felt so lazy. A lot of big things happens in the movie that just felt underwhelming because there was no build up to it. What was even the point of introducing nagini and flamel if they were just going to be forgotten in the 3 rd movie. Felt like they just wanted to name drop people from hp to add nostalgia and excitement but it did nothing for the plot.

[@thereisnocarolinHR]

I had no idea this was even coming out lol. But I agree, Johnny Depp just didn’t fit the role for me at all. I don’t think he should have ever lost it, but if Mads Mikkelsen does it better I’m not surprised.

[@calebpetrie2206]

Lul

[@somerandolad]

They should've cast Mads Mikkelsen as Grindelwald from the get go!

[@aravindravi6845]

Johnny was was good ,right? I get it it's someone's opinion, for me he was just apt for the role

[@thereisnocarolinHR]

@@aravindravi6845 Yeah it’s very subjective and since he was mentioned in the original books, I think a lot of people had already imagined him certain ways. To me, Johnny did not fit the role at all. Not even a little. I actually would’ve preferred Colin Ferrel to stay in the role lol. I’ve yet to see how Mads plays it, but I’m sure I’ll like that too. But to each their own. Seems we all get a little bit of what we wanted at this point 🤦🏼‍♀️ 😂

[@Mr_Cinematic]

Yoooo if you enjoyed this you should watch my rant about the first two movies!

[@Lovely-eb5rg]

This makes me very sad. I adore the world of Harry Potter, especially for how it made something impossible seem possible -- It felt grounded. These new movies have such a generic fantasy-by-committee tone. They clearly didn't know where they were going. I thought studios would learn from the Star Wars sequels.

[@wikansaktianto9215]

Or, they will learn from their own studio exec. Fantastic Beast should have been the sole adventure of Newt Scamander dealing with magical creature and recording their behaviour like some short of magical Sir David Attenborough or Charles Darwin.

[@dabearsfan9]

@@wikansaktianto9215 gosh I would pay big money to watch a planet earth but with newt and magical creatures

[@XxstardropzdreammxX]

@@wikansaktianto9215 The idea of a magical Sir David Attenborough or Darwin sounds wonderful!

[@shabrinaz9877]

LOL you got me until "Star Wars" seriously the poopest of the poos franchise that couldnt pick up after 2 movies

[@ellicel]

The studios did learn: they learned that it doesn’t matter what they do to a beloved franchise, they will still make money. With SW (and probably with these FB as well) each new movie made less than the one before but still milked enough from the fans that it was worth it to them. Studio greed is killing good storytelling.

[@LilyRose8959]

I enjoyed it. It was a lot easier to follow than 2 and I'm glad they cleared up Creedence's relationship to Dumbledore, because that was confusing as hell. I thought he was going to be Ariana's son, but Aberforth makes sense too. Mads Mikkelsen was good, and I wasn't that against Depp in the role.

[@phantomisnear7696]

spoilers ahead!!!! i think what upsetted me the most about this movie is how good it started. i liked the way we got to see newt in action, how he secured this doe-like beast (i forgot the name im sorry) and we also saw a bit of real cruelty from grindelwald that was missing for me in the first movies. i liked the introduction of the new character lally and how she used magic, she was excellent. i also liked the way bunty got some screentime in that movie and mads and jude laws portrayal was awesome. but thats it. then what happened...for me the movie started to focus on a story that had no impact on the future world of harry potter. we all know that these elections are useless. nobody cares for them in the wizarding world, they have no impact and that the movie mostly focused on that...giving us an arc that nobody needed because we know it isnt important or impactful just...makes me sad. because instead of focusing on that we could have actually get more story for dumbledore or actually secrets about him...because till this day im searching for the secrets in that movie. im also ignoring the fact that spells were shown wrong or used wrong in the movies that contradict themselfes with the harry potter story as well. im also ignoring the trainwreck of a story between aberforth and credence that makes no sense again at all. for me credence is no dumbledore...he is just an addition to something we know already was a complex backstory and twisted backstory and we dont need him. also the love story of grindelwald and dumbledore...it kind of angers me that all of this is based on a tweet from jk rowling. like we know that they were close friends. we know that dumbledore was an excentric and sometimes crazy but wise man (at least in the books from harry potter) and i also thought he might be gay but... this whole...we cant fight each other thing becasue of this vow...hm...its something where i was like: no??? this didnt happen in their youth- we got a deep inside check on dumbledore in the last hp book and it also kind of wonders me why they didnt use that to build on it instead of a "romance" that wasnt their to begin with... anyways...the movie started good- but then it got ridicolous and too long, too useless to even have an impact on me or the whole franchise as mentioned before...and im settled on: another fb movie that tried to much and achieved nothing in my eyes.

[@ajiththomas2465]

I agree with almost everything except the "forced" Dumbledore gay romance thing. First of all, Rowling didn't reveal Dumbledore being gay in a tweet but in a Q&A a few months after the _Harry Potter and The Deathly Hallows_ book was released in 2007. At the time, British law outlawed open depictions of LGTBQ characters in media, so if those laws hadn't been in place, Rowling would've most probably have been more explicit in portraying Dumbledore as gay in the books themselves rather than only bring able to reveal Dumbledore being gay in a Q&A a few months after DH got released. Two, Rowling revealing Albus Dumbledore being gay made perfect sense to me and doesn't feel forced at all. Throughout the books, given his eccentric and flamboyant fashion sense when it comes to Wizarding robes, the mental image that many people had of Dumbledore was that he looked like Merlin but with Elton John's fashion sense and style. Three, the whole Blood Pact that makes it so that Dumbledore and Grindelwald couldn't directly fight each other, while not the most elegant of plot devices, made sense and was functional. In the books, during the King's Cross scene, Dumbledore mentions about how for years he had avoided directly facing Grindelwald throughout WWII and it was only until 1945 that he finally faced the Elder Wand wielding Grindelwald in a legendary duel that ended with Dumbledore's victory, his acquisition of the Elder Wand, and Grindelwald's imprisonment in his own prison Nurmengard. The idea of the Blood Pact at least provides an additional tangible reason why Dumbledore couldn't directly face Grindelwald and why he waited years to do so, besides the emotional baggage between the two. While it wasn't the most elegant or perfectly executed of plot devices, it was functional and provided an additional obstacle and explanation as to why Dumbledore didn't confront and defeat Grindelwald in the years before their legendary 1945 Duel. Those are the aspects of Dumbledore that I disagree with you about. The rest of your comment, I generally agree with.

[@palladiamorsdeus]

@@ajiththomas2465 It was forced as HELL and saying otherwise is pure denial or worse, 'I wish he was gaydar'.

[@ramonlrey99com]

Everybody we must work together to watch the Northman it is perhaps one of the best films this year and we need more it!

[@carlosvsiguejugando3102]

Yeah, there was literally one secret. A better title would have been “Fanstastic Beasts and [name of that little deer]”, but it isn’t the first time the names are not the best, take Harry Potter 6 for example, Half Blood Prince, the only thing about that in the movie shown was the book, Harry using Sectu Sempra against Malfoy and Snape revealing himself while most of the movie was focused on Malfoy trying to kill Dumbledore. Or part 7 for example, why not “Harry Potter and the Hunt for Horucruxes”?

[@milestrombley1466]

WB: "We have no clue what we are doing." J.K: "Me either."

[@har5814]

Not really. We all know it leads to the final duel in 1945.

[@milestrombley1466]

The Fantastic Beasts of World War 2. 🤣

[@Mr_Cinematic]

Yoooo if you enjoyed this you should watch my rant about the first two movies!

[@ramonlrey99com]

Everyone we must work together to watch the Northman it is perhaps one of the best films this year and we need more it!

[@TMWriting]

I've never, in my life, been as burned out from a franchise as I was after the last Fantastic Beasts movie. It was truly, shockingly bad, in ways I can't even remember. So this one... probably gonna skip it's first few weeks in theatres.

[@shawklan27]

That's me after the previous two being such borefests I'm just going to wait a bit to watch this one

[@gianthand8130]

@@shawklan27 I can’t believe I found the first Fantastic Beasts movie entertaining at one point.

[@15Candles]

@@gianthand8130 it was a good set up, it was a decent start, then Rowling herself was given too much creative freedom in writing the script which made the sequels in a lot of trouble storywise because she's not a professional screenwriter

[@myfairlady343]

@@shawklan27 the first one wasnt that bad

[@gianthand8130]

@@myfairlady343 Went downhill after they got all the creatures.

[@kingofgames6248]

“The best of forgettable is still forgettable” I’m definitely stealing this line 😂

[@TheLadySilverMoon]

What I do like in "Secrets of Dumbledore" that they lacked in "Crimes of Grindelwald" is that there is a focus on a fantastic beast that's essential to the plot.

[@ramonlrey99com]

Everyone we must work together to watch the Northman it is perhaps one of the best films this year and we need more it!

[@carlosvsiguejugando3102]

That’s true! the little deer or doe, idk what it was. I know it has a name but don’t know how to spell it. I watched the second movie yesterday and I’m trying to remember if there was a fantastic beast that served the plot, but I don’t think so.

[@TheLadySilverMoon]

@@carlosvsiguejugando3102 The doe is a Qilin (or Kirin) it's a Chinese legendary creature and is said to appear when a great ruler arrives (or dies). It's like a mix between a dragon and a deer.

[@carlosvsiguejugando3102]

@@TheLadySilverMoon Oh 😯, thanks

[@courtney.p.s.]

Having the Dumbledore and Grindlewald as a background thing would have worked, especially with a world wide monster hunter movie as the foreground. Edit: Or, having them being 2 separate movie franchises. Especially when people are wanting rich storytelling in the same world. Lord help us when they do the Hogwarts Founders films.

[@jaredhartenstein705]

I enjoyed the first movie. The nuances in character was interesting; the wonder of the creature design was fantastic. I thought Newt was a solid lead for that movie. The other three were great supports. I thought they genuinely had something. Then the Crimes of Grindewald happened. They threw out the best parts of the first movie to make room for Dumbledore, who to be honest, I don't care for all that much. On top of that, the movie was convoluted. Too much happened all at the same time. The poem was a HUGE piece of the movie, but it was only recited once in full by a character WE DIDNT EVEN KNOW! THEN QUEENIE. that whole switch was stupid, particularly because Jacob didn't follow. Everything about the first movie was shot to hell by the second. I don't understand why they made a movie establishing relatively solid characters just to throw it away with Dumbledore's personal history. The Wizarding World is HUGE. Why always bring it back to Dumbledore? he wasn't even the strongest character in those books anyway!

[@gianthand8130]

They pretty much tarnished the first movie more or less if you ask me.

[@15Candles]

This is what happened when this franchise have a book author who doesn't have a good experience in writing a cohesive screenplay. It's messy and convoluted to the point the storyline is all over the place now

[@nskVideos]

The 1st movie was great.

[@drbryant23]

The first movie was entertaining, but the third movie is great. A very satisfying wrap up of all of the convoluted threads in the second film.

[@kry0stat1s74]

@@gianthand8130 A lowly Tarnished playing as a lord!

[@AListProductions]

I want to see this series complete, but man they are struggling. I felt it was stronger than movie 2. Wish they would tackle some live action TV series… Snape origin, years before or after HP, stories from other countries schools etc.

[@ramonlrey99com]

Everybody we must work together to watch the Northman it is perhaps one of the best films this year and we need more it!

[@althealligator1467]

I don't really like the idea of the Wizarding World just turning into a bunch of series like the MCU or Star Wars. This universe works better as big movies in one go. If any series should be made, it's either remaking the entire 7 books as accurately as possible, which is an idea that's been going around for a while, or a fictional wildlife docu series on fantastic beasts that Newt would have studied.

[@AaronJamesMediaProductions]

There’s actually been 5 faces of Grindelwald, in deathly hallows there’s 2 actors who play him (a young Grindelwald and an old one)

[@guywhopaysrent]

Mads is an incredible actor. He was my favorite part in Death Stranding

[@loafywolfy]

him and whoever played the role of Del Toro, but Reedus also shone at the end.

[@OliverPilkington]

@@loafywolfy wait did you fr just say whoever played the role of del toro, bro you just said it 😂

[@ryangimeson3930]

@@OliverPilkington it actually wasn't Del Toro voicing him. The character was just designed after him.

[@loafywolfy]

@@OliverPilkington he didnt play himself he was played by Jesse Corti (just googled it)

[@mollytovxx4181]

@@loafywolfy Huh. That's really interesting, I had no idea. Makes a lot of sense though. Deadman is a major character in the game and I was surpised Del Toro agreed to be in so much of it. So someone else did his voice and another person did his motion? That's pretty fitting given the character's backstory haha.

[@tiajuwanrandle6490]

They should have just made a seperate spin off movie about order of the phoenix and the araors. It would have made merged well with Dumbledores story line.

[@har5814]

Tv show would do that.

[@StriderStryker]

Me: _Is it safe to say that _*_Star Wars_*_ handled the prequels more carefully than _*_Harry Potter?_* Everyone: *shrugs and goes along with it*

[@carlosvsiguejugando3102]

I mean, Star Wars is different because the prequels focus on the downfall of Anakin and how he turned into Darth Vader, and this would be the equivalent to Tom Riddle becoming Voldemort. Fantastic Beasts isn’t a prequel to Harry Potter, it just takes place before and in the same universe, and the only known characters are Albus and Aberforth, but it has nothing to do with Harry Potter’s adventures nor with Voldemort. Speaking of Star Wars, the sequels would have been great if they focused on their own story and characters and not Skywalker and Palpatine’s return

[@richardbourton4523]

The internal conflict of the fantastic beast films has very little to do with the internal conflict of the Harry Potter films (they’re obviously both about fighting the rise of evil wizards, but aren’t actually directly linked to each other). So the FB movies don’t really work as prequels to the HP movies. Which is fine they don’t have to be, they can just be set before them in the same world, sure. But they are marketed as being extensions of HP, even though they are tonally very different. Audiences looking for more Potter aren’t looking to see which spells they recognise or what random name drops they can hear (Nicolas Flamel! I… Remember hearing about him. That’s cool… I guess), they most likely want to have the same emotional experience with the new film as they did with HP. And that’s just not what FB provides.

[@chino581991]

I agree, I look forward to Jacob's character the most in this series. I've also tried to watch the first 2 movies multiple times and can't seem to understand the story they're trying to drive

[@theahearn2658]

I mean, Mads Mikkelsen name is pretty much always a win. The dude is on top of his game and he's one of the best actors out there. That honestly should go without saying and it's not shocking that he's arguably the best part of this movie that I'm never ever going to watch.

[@EricCarter12]

The fact that they fired Johnny Depp REALLY bothers me and is the reason that I do not want to watch it. It just feels wrong to watch it given the injustice that happened around it and how poorly the studio handled the situation.

[@sarfaraz185]

You want justice? Go hire a lawyer and sue Disney, WB, amber Heard commenting on social media never gonna bring any justice

[@PCGGC]

yeah I'm going to watch it I'm just not going to pay to see it in theaters

[@afd1040]

@@PCGGC arrr matey.

[@BubbaSimp]

@@PCGGC yep, I'll DL from my favorite pirate website once it's available in HD. Definitely not giving them any money after that they did to Depp.

[@Bagheadman]

They fired him because he routinely turned up late and/or drunk to shoots, got abrasive with crews and wasn't a big enough deal to justify the trouble anymore. If you're spending all this energy on Johnny Depp, you should really read up on the specifics a little more.

[@jaroslawleskiewicz9128]

I liked it. The detail and execution of the visual side plus cinematography were great. Mads was way better than Depp. Cons: not enough magic beasts and the final act (not epilogue) being somewhat underwhelming.

[@raininseptember]

Agree on Mads as Grindelwald. I hope he’ll stay in the role if there are sequels. I also thought Jude Law was brilliant. Both of them killed it

[@Shinigami344]

i forgot this franchise existed

[@somerandolad]

We all did.

[@MT-eo6tq]

Potterheads didn't

[@Shinigami344]

@@MT-eo6tq jk ran harry potter into the ground

[@idanthyrsus6887]

It's on the same shelf with song of ice and fire. The idgaf anymore shelf.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@idanthyrsus6887 💯💯💯 perect

[@rhetiq9989]

I haven’t seen this movie but the first one was I think the best out of the ones already came out. Loved the entire focus on monster hunting, just fun and quirky stuff in the wizarding world, before things got so convoluted in the second one

[@misaelbarrientos4922]

Almost hard to believe that’s how this series of movies started out and now here we are lol

[@uajrh1]

Ive heard this one is better than the first from majority of early reviewers.

[@OsSas3]

But there wasn't really monster hunting. It's just like if we start Pokemon with Ash having all those creatures and he suddenly loses his pokeballs and he has to recover them. Do we know anything about those creatures? No, he just happens to be an expert. Why don't show us the process and path he had to follow?

[@15Candles]

It was a good set up, it was a decent start, then Rowling herself was given too much creative freedom in writing the script which made the sequels in a lot of trouble storywise because she's not a professional screenwriter, they hired the wrong screenwriter for this franchise

[@UsonoHoushi]

Same. it's weird to say. but I was hoping this entire series was about studying both the beast and the cultures of different countries. those alone have enough drama and conflict on their own. no need to a "world ending" wizard war.

[@Montbello-hk1wc]

I like how you could already tell from the poster how much the story strayed away from the fantastic beast aspect. Dumbledore’s name is so much bigger than Fantastic beast. Just a fun observation

[@tjpm]

This movie is everything I was expecting the first time I saw this saga. This is truly the magical world I loved as a teenager. Love it

[@moive4823]

Clearly, you have been paid to say that!

[@NikiWonoto26]

agree - from Indonesia -

[@tjpm]

@@moive4823 I wish. I could use the caSh. I liked it. Yes it has a few plot holes but I like the magic. That’s all I love about the saga the magical world. Again it has its plot holes but no one is perfect z😄

[@ashieyang02]

I liked it as much as the first one.

[@awesomeproductions7755]

*"IT'S TIME TO STOP! IT'S TIME TO STOP, OKAY?! NO MORE!"* - Filthy Frank, 2016

[@firstlast9846]

Fr there’s no real wonder to the movies anymore.. as much as I like Harry Potter - when they went Uber dark with the later movies - it semi killed my enjoyment of those films.

[@chillspud1363]

@@firstlast9846 the whole point of Harry Potter from book 1 is that there’s a war

[@Mr_Cinematic]

Yooooo if you enjoyed this you should watch my rant about the first two movies!

[@TheZetaKai]

This series needs to be taken behind the shed and... given a trip to a farm. Yeah, a farm, where it can run around and play. It'll be great, yeah...

[@Peasham]

Don't forget about Rowling herself.

[@meatballguy1]

Just think about the rabbits, JK

[@DarthUmbra]

Even scarier is the thought there is still two more down the pipeline.

[@alimarpr1110]

@@Peasham why?she said what she said .is her creation not yours.

[@andrewmeyer4124]

Old Yeller style

[@XeaRae]

My thoughts exactly. Best of the three movies so far. Most convincing Grindelwald. I can see young Dumbledore falling for this guy.

[@kris533d]

Exactly. I think booting Depp was wrong, but I just couldn't see Dumbledore falling for his cartoonish representation of Grindelwald.

[@ramonlrey99com]

Everybody we must work together to watch the Northman it is perhaps one of the best films this year and we need more it!

[@danielandreisx]

Just came home from the theatre. My wife loves the Harry Potter universe so we went to see this one. I enjoyed it, she loved it (she doesn't have very high expectations, if there are cute magical and funny animals, she's in ) I also love Mads Mikkelsen and enjoy seeing the actor playing Newt Salamander

[@sarfaraz185]

Mads Mekkelsen's face already looks villianeous even without makeup I wish they had him from the beginning itself

[@Nicholas_Chen_]

He's actually really nice and goofy lol

[@KatieRuby]

The fact that the industry fired Johnny Depp, but kept Amber Heard for Aquaman is one of the big injustices in Hollywood. When Will Smith's movies are on hold because of what happened at the Oscars but Amber Heard is still being hired, it is craziness!

[@hassathunter2464]

Also Ezra Miller does a lot more than slapping, but I doubt they do anything.

[@ajpat9620]

That's hypocrisy and double standard in a nutshell in Hollywood. Really pathetic.

[@Femmeaesthetic]

about will what he did was inexcusable and yes was held accountable for this but also he's been used by his wife in the public and johnny who did nothing wrong but abused by his ex wife and lied about to the public in the beginning and for some reason this woman is not even held accountable at all, the industry is a little weird to me.

[@Mr_Cinematic]

Yoooo if you enjoyed this you should watch my rant about the first two movies!

[@Robert-fc9xz]

Women privilege

[@tanushreeduttas2823]

Just when the baby Chilin (deer like creature) was moving froward to pick the "worthy" leader, I totally thought(expected) it was going to bow in front of Jacob, I was totally expecting that because it made a lot sense given the context of the film [ later on in the end even Dumbledore openly admits that Jacob has something rare i.e. a pure heart (a quality found, necessary in greatest leaders) and considering the movie relys heavily on the whole election / "choose a fitting leader" plotpoint, Jacob getting chosen by the Chilin would have tied in to their said requirements needed for being a "leader"] but instead underwhelmingly out goes baby Chilin picking Dumbledore, out of nowhere without much substance to support it.

[@joshhall5172]

I remember watching the first movie and being disappointed by the missed opportunity. There didn't need to be an overarching villain. The first half of the 1900s is villain enough. Just have Newt going on his beast adventures while being the vehicle for us to see the wizarding world losing its mind over all the industrial and scientific advancement. I mean there needs to be some explanation for why so many people were like "Voldemort, dude totally has good points". This could of been that.

[@kaneaquino8295]

The secrets of Dumbledore: He's gay. Saved ya 2 hours and $12.

[@pgukanimates4560]

they never specified which dumbledore's secrets it was about what about aberforths secret

[@Hollyclown]

I really don’t understand why they didn’t stick with the ‘monster conservation activist goes around helping monsters.’ They had something with that for the first movie.

[@JP0411]

Right I was looking forward to see beast and wizards around the world

[@Hugotov]

I wanted to see a Steve Irwin type figure just going around wild places doing wild shit and surviving.

[@foxesofautumn]

I wish I could figure out why Newt is still involved in all of this because he's not a great wizard (outside his niche area), isn't interested and had more reason to walk away than to stay. I mean would it have been so bad to just hinge it on Dumbledore and Grindelwald from the first?

[@ashleymassey6062]

The red and blue wire exampl analogy spot on.

[@chrizchanang]

For me, the characters were what made the Harry Potter books work. Each book expanded on the world in new and interesting ways, but it was ultimately more focused because it was a story about a young boy who is seeking a sense of belonging and family despite having this pressure of saving the world out upon him. With any movie, when the characters are the anchor of the story, then the audience is given a reason to care about the plot. The Fantastic Beasts movies feel so detached from its characters, starting in the second film, that the focus becomes more on the McGuffin storyline than circling back to Newt or anyone that could have been the core of the films. Sounds like this new movie is more or less the same where it’s painting the brush too wide with out giving attention to its finer details.

[@bretsheeley4034]

I... just don't care anymore. Like Star Wars, I feel like I got an initial series of movies I highly enjoyed, but going beyond has just meant taking on WAY too much baggage. I just want something new. Harry Potter ended when he sent his kid off on the train. It was a good stopping point for me, and that's coming from someone who highly enjoyed the first Fantastic Beasts movie. I'm done.

[@ajpat9620]

To put it bluntly, the Fantastic Beast film series is an incoherent mess, but at least the first Fantastic Beast movie (Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them) was decent, its follow-up sequels were a mess.

[@tezmard3003]

As soon as jeremy used the wire comparison I knew I was a subscriber for life

[@theresee-borg7023]

Just saw this today and I loved it! Best out of the three and a great movie om its own

[@JMotion]

I'm still mad at Crimes of Grindelwald's dumbshit writing. The only reason Newt, Jacob, Tina and Queenie are still involved in any of this is because of an off-screen news report that confused Newt for his brother when they were in the same picture (at an event that takes place entirely off-screen).

[@ANBULeoZeo]

I have an undying love for Mads Mikkelsen so I love that he was the highlight of this movie. I haven't seen fantastic beasts at all but might check this out in a few months just for him.

[@cindaflame]

Me too. I would go see it just for him.

[@ajpat9620]

Mads Mikkelsen was a terrific casting as Gellert Grindelwald. Knew that Johnny Depp was miscast as Gellert Grindelwald and it shows.

[@Mr_Cinematic]

Yoooo if you enjoyed this you should watch my rant about the first two movies!

[@tristansherwin]

Unpopular opinion: I like the films and the trajectory they’ve taken, but have yet to see Secrets of Dumbledore. The series has never been about fantastic beasts, but about magical repression. If you repress magic on an individual level, then an Obscurus manifests. Repress it on a cultural level, and a Obscurus-like manifestation takes place on a social scale in the likes of the ideals of Grindlewald. Either way, repression leads to negative implosive or explosive consequences. A positive alternative to this is modelled with Newt-a character who’s fascinations are also misunderstood and kept on the fringe of the wizarding world. However, unlike the repression model, Newt has someone like Dumbledore who champions him and encourages and channels his intrigue. Equally, the work of Newt is about demystifying the creatures of his world, seeking to help his peers see that these creatures are not monstrosities but fascinating and beautiful in their own right. Having said all that, great review Jeremy, as always 👍 Looking forward to watching the film.

[@tristansherwin]

After having seen the film, I can totally see what you were saying about the film. I still enjoyed it, but my wife called it a bore-fest.

[@j3RicK24]

@@tristansherwin Very interesting take and very well eloquently put together and I'd have to say that I agree with the points you brought up. Saw the film tonight and well, while not exactly bored I did find myself looking at the clock to see when the movie would end.

[@amiborabee]

I mean, I do think you could draw parallels between Newd's mission with his beasts and the overarching wizard-politics theme, but the problem is... it doesn't really matter. It isn't necessary at all. You could take out the animals and Newd and it wouldn't really change anything. Analogies between stories can be really good and important, but a strong connection to a unified plot and point is much more important.

[@sbi168]

I've really enjoyed the series and seriously don't understand why people hate them. I really loved crimes of grindelwald and secrets of dumbledore is also really good. I hope its not the last one. Its such a great series.

[@adderz8619]

Yes! Thank you 😊 it's hard to find someone with the same opinion as me haha I loved the 1st film, watched the 2nd recently after being scared by the reactions (and was pleasantly surprised) then this was my favourite of the 3. Great stuff. I hope Newt comes back for more and with a more personal story. He's my favourite HP character. I hope they drop the Dumbledore angle though, I've loved it and they wrapped it up well here, this can now be Newt and friends

[@sbi168]

@@adderz8619 yeah I don't get it. I personally loved the dumbledore stuff but I know what you mean about focusing on newt. Newt and company are brilliant. My fave is still crimes of grindelwald but secrets of dumbledore is great too. I don't think it will do enough business sadly, but I really would have wanted it to continue. The only upside is this movie did have a "soft ending" so it's not ending on a cliff hanger but, man I wanted more!

[@ashieyang02]

I liked it too.

[@komalghaghada2295]

Because there are a decent amount of plot holes and just horrible development. You have these big moments, especially in the 3rd movie, that happen but they don’t have enough build up and feel so underwhelming. The first movie was just way too focused on the beasts and really should’ve been called something like Newt and Jacobs adventure. That movie was focused way too much on beasts ans just made them look more important than they were. There was so much time taken away from building up parts for the second movie. The 3 rd one was just a meh, better than crimes of grindlewald. U have this massive election happening but no one cares about it in the other two movies yet it’s given so much importance. Why wasn’t there even a mention of it in the second movie? The actress playing Tina couldn’t film much due to personal reasons but the excuse they made in movie was just so lazy. It felt as though Bunty was meant to be Tina in disguise (with polyjuice potion) and I guess they accidentally had a build up for this because a lot of people thought this. They introduced characters that were just ditched- like nagaini. The tie port key was just a plot hole. The title is ‘secrets of dumbledore’ but they barely reveal any secrets. It’s meant to be 5 movies so 2 more left. I mean obviously it wouldn’t be the last one because the whole build up is to the massive duel between Grindelwald and dumbledore.

[@15Candles]

I can't believe with the involvement of the screenwriter of the past HP movies (except for Order of the Phoenix), it didn't help Rowling in writing a good screenplay

[@my5head]

Well Order of the Pheonix was probably the best of the last few movies. Maybe they should have gotten that screenwriter.

[@ansemthetrueseekerofdarkne2730]

@@my5head Same, Order of The Phoenix was the shit.

[@15Candles]

@@my5head really? Never seen Prisoners of the Azkaban huh which many considered to be the best HP movie which is written by the guy who co-wrote this

[@my5head]

@@15Candles also adapted Half-Blood Prince, which I hated. Both parts of Deathly Hallows were disappointing for me. They're good, but I have many issues with them.

[@icycleragon]

@@my5head i disagree, that had way too many montages and rushed storytelling, they skipped a lot of character development from the book

[@straightasanarrow3648]

Finally someone points out the problems I have with WB's decision making when it comes to the cast especially because makes it hard for me to get hooked on Dumbledore's backstory

[@breezle7296]

I felt like this movie was a bit like ‘Rise of Skywalker’ with how the retconned and changed some of the characters from what happened in the second movie.

[@greenagain5662]

I am so pleasantly surprised! i have to admit i wasn't a big fan of 1 & 2 but fantastic beast 3 is really great ! the magic is back, i'm so happy!!

[@Tykoon22]

I wonder if they will try to write his ever-changing appearance into the story somehow, Like a secret overarching metamorphosis plotline that sees the same character being played by a different actor in each movie by design… Like it was intentionally written and planned out like that from the start, and the final movie will have the big rug pull gotcha! moment accompanied by and overly indulgent villain monologue explaining how it was all part of the plan and he’s been in control of everything from the very beginning… like the Saw movies or something.

[@TheRibottoStudios]

This franchise and Harry Potter is like that meme "I'm you but better." Take a wild guess at which is better 😂

[@sarfaraz185]

Fantastic beasts feels more matured then HP both are good anyway

[@15Candles]

The thing is, Rowling only have make one Fantastic Beasts book, in the movies to make it 5 movies, it has to be some original ideas from her that aren't in the book. And because she's a screenwriter of this movie, that's where the movie tanked. Just because she can write a good book doesn't mean she can write a good screenplay. These are two completely different things

[@blurb9319]

@Bad Boys Boogie Most people enjoyed the first movie, but the next two have been more contentious

[@johnnyd3158]

Fantastic Beasts is the Legend of Korra equivalent of Harry Potter as they even both features two “gay” characters.

[@abdizur8765]

@Bad Boys Boogie I like the first one and then CoG kinda killed my interest and this new one isnt helping things.

[@polski8bit]

Yup, I agree. I feel like after the first movie they, including Rowling, were worried that this series is not going to sell without something HP related. Like, directly related, pulled from Harry Potter books and/or movies - like Dumbledore. Like, I'd love to watch a story about Dumbledore and Grindelwald, but not in a FANTASTIC BEASTS movie.

[@limbytes]

Wished that the fantastic beast stuck to newts story and then they made a series called dumbledore exploring his relationship with grindle in their youth looking for the hollows, then a time skip to the ministry recruiting dumbledore to take down grindlewald and then it being like this underground military operation of sorts as dumbledore acts as an aura to capture his former friend/lover. No gimmick item that prevents them fighting or whatnot. Good ol dumbledore using his wits and skill to take down an evil organization and take down the dark lord.

[@dcworld4349]

That was my exact feeling when it came to Depp as Grindelwald, I think if he had been given the right direction to play him more serious and charming he could done a fine job with the role. But he is just in a completely different movie than the rest of the cast, and I thought "I just don't buy this guy being able to have almost made Dumbledore go completely against his character". Even though he's pretending to be someone else I could see the hints we get of the true character in Farrells portrayal to do it. But Mikkelsen even though I don't have any big expectations for this movie and really the thing I want to see the most is if they manage to top the duel scene from Order of the Phoenix, before I saw a trailer I could picture it in my head of how he would play him and from what the trailers showed my imagination was pretty spot on. The idea of Grindelwald was clearly if Voldemort is the dictionary definition of fairy tale pure evil who yes does have some loyal followers that worship him but mostly is able to gain followers through power and fear. Grindelwald sounded like the other you know who before his true intentions was revealed. Who actually was able to gain his position using charisma, cunning, knowing when to show strength and when and how long to fake his true motivations so that by the time you are in the cult you don't know how to get out.

[@ramonlrey99com]

Everybody we must work together to watch the Northman it is perhaps one of the best films this year and we need more it!

[@dcworld4349]

@@ramonlrey99com Alrighty then?

[@aadityabhattacharya]

1:50 to 2:00 is perfect description of Mads Mikkelsen's Hannibal.

[@s_a_n]

When they first launched the Fantastic Beasts series back in 2016, I was happy to get something more out of Potterverse but didn't understand why it'd take 5 movies to showcase fascinating creatures . Unfortunately the filmmakers realized this after the 1st one....cause the 1st one was the only one which focused on these creatures. Now they've shifted to a completely different story and just randomly putting in a few creatures here and there for the sake of it. Fantastic Beasts wouldn't have required more than 1 movie, and then WB could've easily focused on a different series for the story of Grindelwald and Dumbledore. I don't even think a magizoologist like Newt Scamander would've taken part in a war like this if the screenplay hadn't mixed up the whole thing.

[@graces.4526]

Now that I’ve finally watched it, love Mads, as always. His Grindelwald is 1000% more believable as someone that could capture the eyes and heart of Dumbledore. Your summary is dead on. Couldn’t have said it better.

[@grant1770]

I agree with your opinion and analogy. Johnny Depp is my favorite actor and I was psyched when he was revealed as Grindlewald even though I didn’t think he really seem like he would fit the part... I still loved seeing him in a wizarding world film. Nothing against mickelson (butchered that name 😅) I’ll still be seeing the film.

[@15Candles]

I think Depp is a decent casting for Grindelwald, the problem was that Rowling gave him a mediocre material to work with which really affected his performance. A lot of people put the blame on the actor when it was really the screenwriter who gave orders what the characters supposed to do. We all know Depp is an incredible actor and very talented because of that, I think Depp could've been a better Grindelwald if Rowling gave him a far better material to work with. It's always comes down to that script. Depp didn't have that much screentime as Grindelwald in the second movie because Rowling overstuffed a lot of subplots that it made it confusing and difficult to follow

[@KingHoborg]

@@15Candles All you really have to do for prime example of that is the makeup. I don't know why they thought it was a good route to go with Depp's makeup and hair.

[@15Candles]

@@KingHoborg maybe because that's how Rowling envision Grindelwald for Depp?? She wrote the screenplay anyways

[@Hellohellonada]

The makeup/hair was what threw me, the toned down look of Mads Mikkelson does looks far more conventional and digestible as a leader of a fanatic group. JD’s speech at the end of the Crimes was quite good to me.

[@Mr_Cinematic]

Yoooo if you enjoyed this you should watch my rant about the first two movies!

[@ItsTheFizz]

Looking forward to Sonic 2 beating this in the box office...

[@sarfaraz185]

In your dreams?

[@Peasham]

Better than the time everyone wanted it to beat out Bird of Prey, at least.

[@gianthand8130]

@@Peasham Not surprised the first Sonic movie made more than Birds of Prey. Birds of Prey is hot garbage.

[@hassathunter2464]

Nah, I do think S2 will beat FB3. Purely on how well received Sonic 1 was, and how terrible Beasts 2 was.

[@sarfaraz185]

@@hassathunter2464 I see sonic 1 made 300M while highly criticized FB2 made 650M 😂 , sonic lost

[@stevep7608]

Ezra Miller is the lettuce that they throw on the plate with your burger.

[@Ranger1812]

Newt's story is of the fight against Grindelwald. His beasts are a fundamental part of that. The fact that you think they're separate just shows your speciesism. It was absolutely phenomenal. Absolutely phenomenal. It has a beautiful story (as did Where to Find Them and Crimes of Grindelwald) and was beautifully shot. The beasts looked photo-realistic and were absolutely amazing to see and learn about. I cried so much, and will be seeing it multiple more times in theatres. It was absolutely phenomenal. Absolutely phenomenal. It has a beautiful story (as did Where to Find Them and Crimes of Grindelwald) and was beautifully shot. The beasts looked photo-realistic and were absolutely amazing to see and learn about. I cried so much, and will be seeing it multiple more times in theatres.