Everything Wrong With Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore

[@motherplayer]

The greatest magic trick these films have pulled off is making me crave seeing a story about an awkward wizard going off on journeys to properly catalog various magical beast instead of seeing wizard hitler's rise to power and dumbledores relationship issues.

[@jasonblalock4429]

Queer people now can get completely boring unnecessary romantic subplots shoehorned into blockbusters, just like straight people have always "enjoyed." Ah, progress.

[@treyrandolph4720]

I thought voldy was magic Hitler...oh well lol either way yeah, I wanted to see more of newt doing newt things not...whatever the hell Rowling turned this into. Not that I have a problem with the whole Dumbledore x Grindelwald just...it lands flat

[@motherplayer]

@@treyrandolph4720 Oh yeah, same. I have no issues with it, it's just this kind of thing should not be something that's struggling with relevance against so many other kinda important elements.

[@DSMTheEditor]

"Wizard Pokemon" is just a great idea that it really sucks this series is not that

[@DoABarrelRol1l]

@@DSMTheEditor yeah I walked of the 2nd film. Not merely enough fantastic beasts!! Netflix spin off maybe?

[@westaylor1489]

The Qilin really should have bowed before Jakob. It would thrown some real doubt behind Grindlewald's plan if a Muggle is shown to be of pure heart. It also would have. made Dumbledore bringing Jakob into the group make so much more sense.

[@RahulPatel-og2ke]

Not just Dumbledore everyone throughout the movie was making hints to his compassion and purity. Lally for example at the beginning

[@SpawnRevenge92]

Yes!

[@diegogutierrez1997]

Finally, someone who agrees with me. Thanks!

[@made-line7627]

@@diegogutierrez1997 I think you'll be happy to find that there are thousands of us out there, Diego! Probably millions, considering the franchise we're taking about. It was *such* a missed opportunity 😞 GAH!

[@acealpine6806]

The world just doesn't work like that. And it amazes me how many incredibly naive people there are in this world, who've obviously never experienced real racism/hatred firsthand. Do you think ONE good Jew would have made Hitler change his mind about the millions of others? Jacob's sole purpose in the films was to be some lovable goofball that was a stand in for the audience. There was never any real reason to keep Jacob after the first film

[@PretenderCS]

Can you imagine a scene, where the Qilin bowes down in front of Kowalski and show the wizards that even the humans may be pure of heart? He would´ve refused like Dumbledore of course, but the emotional impact could´ve worked well, especially with this actor and how sympathetic Kowalski is.

[@waterpolomaster11]

That would've been epic!!

[@UtterQueerNightmare]

I legit thought that was what was gonna happen. We don't need more dumbledore worship, he was an asshole. That was where the scene should've gone. I legit leaned toward my friend in the cinema and said "watch it kneel to Kowalski"

[@GarthPuckerin]

Pitch Meetings had Producer Guy ask Screen Writer Guy this same question and SWG goes something like "Oh shit that would have been a good idea, we should have done that" kinda thing. Hey Shaddup!

[@KhanMann66]

This is JK Rowling man. Good ideas but terrible execution.

[@TheGowshikan]

I think qilin bowing down to Newt would have been even more epic

[@michelerusso9745]

I love how the movie ends with Dumbledore walking away because it wants to show us that he's alone and has no real connections, but the implication is just that they didn't invite him to the wedding

[@claudiarey699]

I always tough they DID invite him, but he is still punishing himself for Ariana AND Grindewald so he dosent go. Remenber that he kind of pushes Harry away in ToOtP. That wasent just for what he said in my opinion.

[@nanalove3819]

Oh my, didn't think about that. Like "hey, I know you didn't invited me, but I came anyway and expect that as I'm here, you will... Ok I go now... No one chasing after me ? Tough".

[@MinorCirrus]

Surprised there isn't a sin about the line Dumbledore says in the last scene, "It wouldn't have worked without you Newt", when it is abundantly clear that he could have been replaced by a sock puppet and the plan would have worked the same.

[@joelmole3157]

This franchise really should have focused on Newt, Tina and Jacob getting sent around the world by Dumbledore, finding endangered beasts and getting into standalone adventures. Instead we get this nonsense.

[@sn13314]

that's what me and many of our Asian people want to

[@someguy7629]

I would like the see wizards during world war 2 like seen by Grindelwald in a previous movie in that orb thingy.

[@999SickBoy666]

@@sn13314 Great. But who gives a shit about what the Asian (or European or American or African) people "want"?

[@999SickBoy666]

@Joel Mole: what's sad is that they could've done exactly what you said while ALSO developing the "fight against wizard-Nazis" storyline: Indiana Jones did it some forty years ago and it worked perfectly.

[@LB0206]

I would've loved to watch that

[@Ryanwizardstaff]

My biggest gripe with this movie is how they treat Jacob who in my opinion has been the most relatable and interesting character in the series thus far. Throughout this movie, they drop little hints about his character and how he conducts himself as opposed to Grindlewald. And even for the final act of the movie, DumbleDweeb takes Jacob aside as part of the whole fakeout subplot near the end of the movie. They really make you believe that possibly the Qilin(the fawn-looking creature) is going to bow in front of Jacob as he is worthy to lead. I'm not saying that he would given he's a muggle but still, that would have been intelligent writing as that would have challenged Grindlewald's entire philosophy and his outlook on muggles in general. But no... Of course, it had to bow to DumbleDweeb instead. Of course, we can't expect anything close to remotely creative from this franchise let alone this studio at this point... What a farse :/

[@Spiff99]

Yeah, that is how I thought it was going to go. There was the whole judging of his character earlier in the movie (pointed out in this video, as silly as it was). I agree with you in that it would have added much more to the story, challenging the wizarding world of their views on muggles.

[@wandauriel]

I was expecting this, unfortunately I ended up disappointed

[@furiousgamerxz5141]

I believe that Dumbledore had imperiused the Qilin to bow to him so people would trust him more and it was part of his big plan to become the most influential person in the world so he could secretly rule it from the shadows while acting in public as a Merlin-like figure that everyone would turn to when something bad is going on.

[@TheGowshikan]

The qilin should legitly bowed down to Newt ! The guy literally live for voiceless creatures and also saved the qilin as well ! The movie and the series would have made a lot of sense if it was Newt ! BUT NO! They had to sideline Newt and Praise Dumbledore dont they? That scene should have really uplifted the movie ! Instead it just falls flat as Dumbledore doesnt really did any noble dumbledore things till then in the movie !!!

[@JSmellerM]

Dumbledore proved time and time again that he can be seduced by power. He himself sees this as his biggest flaw. If you are that vulnerable to turn evil how are you pure of heart?

[@hardy16able]

One of the most infuriating things about the movies is the constant stream crossing.. This was a special moment in the fourth book. Something that only the twin wands did when forced to fight against each other. But now it's this generic thing that happens all the time and it's so uninspired. How about a fight like the one in the fifth movie between Dumbledore and Voldemort?

[@jazzfarer]

YES! That!

[@marcoottina654]

Precisely. Also, the "epic fight that will be remembered for centuries" (or something like that" is just ... 2 beams of light smashing into each other? REALLY? So boring, so flat, so lame ... it's a totally uninspiring moment. Why, WHY didn't have planned something truly epic? D:

[@Lans1ng12]

@@marcoottina654 This wasn't supposed to be that epic fight. It was for the fifth movie. It still is, if the movies aren't cancelled.

[@Moo.1336]

I swear to god. It’s like none of the directors ever watched that scene from OotP again and thought “wow! This is probably what the audience wants to see.”

[@EkolocoMedia]

That was an awesome scene

[@nanalove3819]

The three biggest things for me : Calling this The Secrets of Dumbledore and telling us nothing that we didn't already know or guess from the books. (except from Credence but second point is just below) Making Credence Alberforth's son : from the little information we get from him, I always imagine Alberforth as a guy who truly cares for his family, and that's why he hated his brother so much from what happen with Ariana. I just can't picture the guy abandoning his child. The only good point is that we didn't focus on that a lot because that was a very stupid idea anyway to make Credence a Dumbledore. Just because it is a prequel doesn't mean that you have to create stupid connections ! Making the Qilin kneels before Dumbledore. Have it kneeling before Newt, or Jacob, but Dumbledore ? The whole point of his character development in book 7 was to say "he looked like the perfect stereotype of the old, noble and wise wizard, but he is actually a b*stard and is a very grey character" (I won't call him black, he has good side, but come on). If you want to expand your univers, *don't destroy it*.

[@zachrobledo2252]

The craziest thing about this story is the whole “if we don’t know what we’re doing then Grindelwald won’t either” because THATS NOT HOW TELLING THE FUTURE WORKS. Like was the only one confused by that? If it was mind reading, sure. Not knowing the plan definitely would help if your mind was being read. But Grindelwald is a SEER not a legilimens. He is telling the future. So it doesn’t matter if the squad knows or doesn’t know the plan because the events of the future are already laid out. We’ve been shown a few times in Harry Potter that the past and future are determined. And even if you go back in time you’re just completing the loop that was always there. So time is definitive meaning the future is definitive. So that means there should’ve been no confusion for Grindelwald and only the squad would’ve been confused and at a complete disadvantage. Movie sucked so bad.

[@randomcreek]

And then they created the cursed child and time stopped being definitive...

[@furiousgamerxz5141]

Agreed

[@gswcooper7162]

But he's not seeing THE future, he's seeing A future - most likely, he's specifically seeing the "most likely" future. But if their plan is as much of an ass-pull as they clearly want it to be, then they might be directly affecting which future is "most likely" in some difficult-to-predict ways. At least, that's how I interpreted that entire Dumbledore Ex Machina. :P

[@DocTheHawk]

You answered your own question though. Of the future is set, then they HAD TO try out this misdirection because it's already determined. If they hadn't, them that future wouldn't have happened. CAUSING GOD TO BE DISPROVEN, AND CAST-ANGLES TO WALK THROUGH THE FRONT DOORS OF A CHURCH UNDPING REALITY AS WE KNOW IT!!!!! It's Dogma homez

[@ThatCoalSoul]

Great use of the "That's not how The Force works!" meme verbally there.

[@JohnEusebioToronto]

Harry Potter LOVES to resolve the plot with stuff the protagonist had no control over. How does Harry beat Voldemort? By challenging his ideology? By uniting the various magical races and muggles together? By uniting with his friends and forming a strategy? With raw talent? No. None of those things. Harry wins because of an unknown detail of Elder Wand's ownership mechanics. That's it. He was technically the owner of the wand so Voldemort's spell backfired. It's no different than him defeating Voldemort because of a charm his mother accidentally put on him as a baby. He had no agency. And now the story is resolved because the magical deer had twins. Another accident.

[@harshivpatel6238]

Harry technically lost because he surrendered. Everything following was luck. The wand shouldn't have worked the first time in the forest, Harry was the true owner or death stick then as well, or it should work just as powerfully as to destroy a living hocrux inside another living person without killing the said person, when Voldemort strikes a second time.

[@damatar]

Yep, I always had major issues with the HP series. The protagonist won due to luck, while flippantly breaking rules and mocking Hermione's bookishness, but at least her successes were due to her intelligence and effort.

[@owl7072]

@@damatar I will _never_ understand how Harry could even remotely tease or judge Hermione for being a bookworm when it came to their classes and Hogwarts in general. If I spent my whole life thinking magic wasn't real only to be told it was and that I get to go to a _school_ for it, I'd be just like her and passing all my classes with flying colors.

[@bubbledoubletrouble]

@@damatar There’s a peculiarly large number of series aimed at children that dismiss or denigrate hard work/putting in effort, e.g., The Incredibles.

[@KhanMann66]

Aka plot hacks.

[@alesonu]

This story seemed to be missing so much. I wanted to see more of what Yusuf was doing, I wanted the revelation of Credence as Aberforth's son to be shown not casually mentioned in a conversation, I wanted to see, at least in some parts, Newt's brother remembering or mourning Leta (it would have been enough if they just showed him looking at her picture with teary eyes), I would have loved to see the development of both Newt & Theseus and Albus & Aberforth's relationship and would have found it better if they showed that Tina and Newt are still in contact somehow. The plot was very scattered and left a lot to be desired!

[@SaundersBoy]

I completey agree about the plot, there was no character development, people were there juste"because". But my biggest problem is how it lost focused on the four main characters (Newt, Tina, Queenie and Jacob). I mean, to be fair I didnt care at all about Yusuf, nor Theseus (sorry, but to me Leta had way more character potential) as both men are sooo one-dimensional. I hate how they pretty much pushed aside Queenie and Tina sisterhood (actually, I believe the writers forgot they were sisters), when the sisters' relationship was the most interesting for this movie (with Queenie joining the dark side). Anyway, what a waste of characters and storylines...

[@alesonu]

@@SaundersBoy yes and even if they were not gonna focus on the sisterhood but rather on brotherhood then at least show some development and character growth 🤦🤦🤷☹️

[@joaop4585]

Credence being Aberforth's son was d*mb as f*ck. The realization that the philo. stone could create a homunculus would make sense since it would be agreeing with the lore about Dumbledore and the theory about the trying of ressurecting his sister

[@mwenvlay]

so, you mean you wanted a coherent script with propercharacter development and plot trajectory. yep, that woulda been lovely.

[@TheGowshikan]

The qilin should legitly bowed down to Newt ! The guy literally live for voiceless creatures and also saved the qilin as well ! The movie and the series would have made a lot of sense if it was Newt ! BUT NO! They had to sideline Newt and Praise Dumbledore dont they? That scene should have really uplifted the movie ! Instead it just falls flat as Dumbledore doesnt really did any noble dumbledore things till then in the movie !!!

[@lucedoodle2832]

Here Here, yes

[@KhanMann66]

What do you expect from an author that made Dumbledore gay.

[@Jay-nh6um]

Technically, it's not your acomplishments that makes you pure of heart, but your intentions. Presumably.

[@TheGowshikan]

@@Jay-nh6um Even with that point of it should have been Newt !

[@Jay-nh6um]

@@TheGowshikan I don't disagree with Newt being pure of heart, I'm just saying that people are being really unfair to Dumbledore. He is willing to control and sacrifice so much for the greater good.

[@alexanderh8367]

Remember how in the first movie, newt could flick a switch and the contents of his suitcase became normal?? Well then WHY ON EARTH wouldn't they do exactly that when trying to get replicas of the suitcase..

[@wind-flower]

Also why would they need a muggle to replicate the suitcases manually when they could just use ... you know ... magic...

[@sawanna508]

Because that switch surely only works for muggles.

[@Doomted90]

"This whole 'Credence's clear water revival' part" had me in stitches

[@comingviking]

The worst thing wrong with this movie was that it bored me to tears with its poorly written script and insanely stupid story. I had enough after about 20 minutes. And I have seen ALL of the Harry Potter movies, and actuall thought having the flu a few years back was a GREAT opportunity to watch All the Lord of the Rings Extended Versions back to back. Had to get off the couch to change discs every once in a while, but it was worth the effort. This movie, though? Not a chance.

[@winstonteller9591]

That's because the scriptwriter is Rowling herself. She knows how to write books with all the characters thoughts, dialogs, extra stuff and so on, but has NO idea how to write screenplays.

[@jdsartre9520]

I couldn't even sit through 20 min of this review vid

[@KhanMann66]

Great ideas by Rowling but terrible execution. Never let the author write the screenplay.

[@sn13314]

honestly, I still wonder how much did Rowling have a hand on this screenplay? It said Rowling hand in the first script, then Kloves did the job. Who knows what's the original one? Besides, there was covid. but I have to say this script is still the worst

[@Aussie_Stitch]

I completely agree. The first film was so much fun and is still one of my favourite films. It was whimsical and funny and characters like Jacob and Queeny were the best. The second film was just a ton of exposition and laying groundwork for future sequels rather then concentrating on a stand alone plot then there was this boring piece of shit. Jacob is still quite charming but all the joy has been sucked out of Queenys character. Creedence should have been written out after the first film (and not just because Ezra Miller is a wanker). I didn't need Dumbledore to be in this series at all. They should have just focused on the original four. The cool magical beasts. And had a single challenge to overcome for each movie

[@sydney33thomas]

The fact that you didn't add a sin to the fact that Albus Dumbledore is apparently "pure of heart"... which he's absolutely NOT

[@WilliamWizer]

of course Dumbledore is pure of heart. he hired Severus Snape to bully Harry just in case the Dursley didn't do a good enough job at being abusive *ssholes. Dumbledore also hired a drunkard fraud to teach divination or an egocentric fraud to teach DADA. evidently, it's so they had a chance to have a paying job. better I don't mention that Voldemort taught DADA and a death eater faked being a close friend of Dumbledore to enter harry into a deadly tournament. but Dumbledore is so pure of heart that couldn't notice because he looks like his friend, he can't be evil. dumbledore is less pure of heart than Petunia Dursley combined with Dolores Umbridge, Rita Skeeter and Bellatrix Lestrange.

[@Rosel13]

Dumbledore is evil and good at the same time

[@WilliamWizer]

@@Rosel13 nah. he's evil as one can be. but will do good things when they help him on his quite dark plans.

[@sydney33thomas]

@@Rosel13 And this is exactly why he's not "pure of heart". Dumbledore is a very "grey" character, just like Snape. But JK Rowling and Steve Kloves suddenly decided to make Dumbledore a Gary-Stu. Newt and Jacob, however, ARE pure of heart.

[@nanalove3819]

@@Rosel13 that doesn't make him pure of heart, just grey. One of the big point of Dumbledore in the seventh book was : Harry idealized him but actually, he is not that good at all, he has a lot of dark in him. So it is just like, they decided to ignore that.

[@NthDoctorWho]

"How many character plotlines can we cram into one movie?" "Yes." "How many are actually going to matter?" "No."

[@huggablecat9456]

Another big sin is that they attached this to fantastic beasts and didn’t have a separate dumbledore series.

[@harshivpatel6238]

they clearly can't write Dumbledore, you can't have a full movie on Dumbledore as you'd loose the Dumbledore-ness of it.

[@WilliamWizer]

they can't make a movie centered on Dumbledore. Dumbledore would never reveal the plot. besides, Dumbledore needs to be the unbeatable leader of the light that can't be wrong. unless it's so the main character is there to clean the mess. which couldn't work if Dumbledore is said main character.

[@One.Zero.One101]

A magical "Ace Ventura: Pet Detective" would have been of one the greatest adventure films of the decade. I'm so mad that didn't happen.

[@anthonystewart7446]

Agree wholeheartedly!! I was just thinking while watching that it's dumb as shit that Newt didn't get a trilogy of interesting movies where he's fighting against trappers & illegal traders & poachers. Sure, it'd feel a little Dragon Trainer-ish, but would've made so much more sense than these convoluted ways to make him a part of this international political kerfuffle bs... And they could've done a trilogy of Abus v Gellert & we would've been more satisfied as well. It was just shit planning/production imo.

[@sylvirgiomanach1491]

Awful as it was that they recast Johnny... I think Mads is a more believable love interest with Jude. Like. As much as I do like him as an actor, I just don't see Johnny being able to nail that scene toward the end the way Mads did. The different actors really fit the different needs of Grindelwald's character, just the reason for the change is trash. It should have been the plan all along.

[@aestheticcat8976]

This!! Also Mads was my only reason for watching the movie, he's a favorite actor of mine. 🤣

[@silverysnowfox]

Mads is way better because Grindelwald was supposed to be european anyway

[@nanalove3819]

Yes ! As much as I don't like the hypocrisy behind what happened with Johnny Depp (Ezra Miller also had people accusing him but it was not as mediatized I guess, so that's a typical "we try to look like we care, but we are just doing this for our image"), I loved the new actor for Grindelwald, he was everything I expected from him. Johnny is a great actor and he was better than I thought he would be honestly, but I just think it is not the kind of role where his acting skills shine.

[@izzybank2196]

❤❤I agree when mads said "who will love you now" I don't feel Johnny would of pulled it off like he did ..I felt that from mads ..❤❤

[@MrChaoticreign]

The moment where Newt's case was disintegrated was so anti-climatic and blah that the ending to me didn't matter anymore. Yeah Newt's an awkward wizard, yeah he's opposed to violence, But his actions only make sense in the context that, "Aha! This case was never real!" Because if any regular pet owner watched someone kill their animal in front of them and smile I can guarantee that person would be turned into a stain on the ground. Now add in magical powers and Newt, who we've seen first hand is obscenely powerful, and that entire building and some of the mountain should be gone. I was waiting for Newt to go full off kilter and start laying into people but Nah he's just mildly uncomfy

[@harshivpatel6238]

He hasn't developed at all, they seemed to have dumbed him down. Though he seems smart enough to know his case is far too powerful to be destroyed, because immense amount of magic held within the beasts.

[@TheGowshikan]

Ya Jk rowling should be made to watch John wick movies to beat some sense into her ! I was thinking exactly the same ! The suitcase is gone and thats his reaction..???

[@One.Zero.One101]

These actors are now phoning it in. Just like what happened in Rise of Skywalker. Eddie Redmayne is a great actor in other movies but he knows Newt stinks. Just like Jennifer Lawrence is a great actor in other movies but she was phoning it in in Dark Phoenix.

[@Jay-nh6um]

In his perspective, there was a 20% chance that was the real bag, so, while anxiety-inducing, he knew the odds of all his animals dying was relatively small.

[@natm7932]

I didn't even understand what I was meant to be seeing; did the baddies switch Newt's case with one that would disintegrate when he touched it? Or did they bewitch the case he was holding? Why was she walking it up to the whatever if she knew it wasn't the real case? Why was she walking it up there if she thought it was the real case? Why was she walking at all up all those steps when she can Apparate?

[@Gothamite1]

Thank you for calling them out on what they did to Yusuf. This is such a dark and depressing series with all the child murdering etc. This i not a family friendly fantasy series and removing Yusufs memories of his sister without any payoff was just the worst.

[@Iris-bc1zi]

Totally agree. Didn't even bother watching this one for lots of reasons, but everything I see here confirms it just continued its unnecessarily over the top dark and depressing material. Like, yes, life is suffering sometimes, but half the point of literature is to either have that suffering count for something or to show the cruelty of the world through the pointless suffering, or even for character growth. The memory wipe does none of this. It somewhat highlights the cruelty of Grindelwald and nothing else, severely damaging a character for literally no purpose and almost as a side note that does nothing for the story. Atrocities in fiction just for the sake of atrocities or highlighting one characters badness is just disgusting to me. Got enough depressing, meaningless suffering in real life; we don't need it in fiction too.

[@Shaw4Life]

JK Rowling never said it was a family series or for kids. She said specifically it was for adults and is adult rated.

[@Iris-bc1zi]

@@Shaw4Life Sure, and that's fine. But I think there's a difference between adult content and overly dark content just for the sake of it. I'm all for dark stories, when they're told well and purposefully. And I think the first Fantastic Beasts movie is a great example, not really of a DARK movie, but one with some heavier content in it (the abuse at the orphanage, the prejudice between social groups, etc.) that served a purpose and was handled pretty well. If the movies had just gotten somewhat darker or more adult, and continued to handle those topics well, I'd have no issue with that. I prefered the lighter tone of the first one for this series, but whatever. My actual problem is that it went SO dark SO fast and for no real reason. We went from having a jaunty time around New York with some heavier undertones to killing babies MORE THAN ONCE in the very next film. It's jarring, it's disturbing, and it didn't really serve much of a purpose. Death number one was solely to highlight the evilness of Grindle and number two was the shoehorn in a Dumbledore lineage plotline that didn't make much sense. And the first death was the one I took a real issue with. Because the second one, while handled clunkily, at least had the decency to try to have a reason or real meaning and affect in the story, and if told better could have led to some interesting storylines or themes about handling grief. But not only did that second one not really take on the matter with any kind of delicacy, but they slapped on that first child killing for no reason at all except to make a point or set a tone. That's the kind of crap I expect from a teenager trying to be edgy and dark without any real grasp of narrative purpose or consequences. And I probably should have already learned not to expect better from Rowling, but I was still disappointed. Heh, sorry for the long response. Mostly just wanted to highlight that there's a difference between a film being for adults and being overly dark just for the sake of it. The second film went way too far, imo, and it looks like the second one kept up that trend, which for me is just a nail in the coffin on top of all the other reasons I wasn't planning on seeing it.

[@Gothamite1]

@@Shaw4Life Seriously? Wow, Well this wasn't a family film by any stretch of the imagination. Regardless of marketing. Though just making it darker does not automatically make it more adult.

[@One.Zero.One101]

@@Shaw4Life Source or it didn't happen.

[@jlev1028]

Ultimate Sin: The whole movie revolves around the international Wizarding community being so stupid that they forget about Grindelwald's infamy and he almost becomes wizard Palpatine.

[@pocketmarcy6990]

Dude is literally a murderer and the wizarding world is like, yeah he seems like a standup guy led him run for office

[@aminulhussain2277]

Not as far fetched as you believe.

[@Paulafan5]

NPC wizards were pretty stupid in the later Harry Potter films too.

[@johannaswart9537]

unlimeted power

[@constanzanavarro821]

I knew I couldn’t be the only one that was thinking that Grindelwald was similar to Palpatine😂

[@Friendlysociopath]

I am not a man who desires in any way to disrupt a theater experience. But damned if I wouldn't be tempted to yell, "GET ON WITH IT" at that tea clinking scene.

[@sichernichtleon]

The biggest sin is Tina not being in it (her amount of screentime is ridiculous)

[@___David__]

Thank the actress for throwing a tantrum just because J.K. Rowling defended women from the trans-lunatics.

[@Xgendude14]

Couldnt be helped due to the pandemic, Katherine Waterston’s schedule, and JK Rowling’s comments on trans people.

[@m.h.7364]

@@___David__ or rather, thanks to jkr for throwing a tantrum because Katherine Waterson rightfully reminded her that ostracizing and humiliating an already targeted minority is, in fact, an asshole thing to do. Respect to KW and may she continue to be awesome

[@Prettorian]

@@___David__ J.K Rowling is more than right with her statements but still it was disappointing not including Katherine in the movie properly. Tina is one of the few characters that make the films at least a little worth wile and her scene with Newt at the end was beautiful.

[@DigiDestined13]

@@Prettorian It didn't help that the actress contracted COVID, but yeah, if they were gonna recast Gellert, they might as well have recasted Tina, as well.

[@Sevifor]

I'm still mad about the missing case. In the scene where they've having the case replicated, they ask for six cases. We only see them grab five cases. I spent the entire climax of the movie wondering where the 6th case was, and how it was going to be the "surprise" at the end, and it just...doesn't.

[@vojtechjanda9684]

I'm still mad that the live Qilin was in a case at all. As one Haley Starshine explains in episode 428 of the webcomic Order of the Stick, the whole point of a shell game is that if you can give the opposition a 0% chance of picking the right suitcase (I mean, shell), why give them any chance at all by actually having the Qilin in a suitcase (ball in a shell). That Qilin should have been in Bunty's magical purse or whatever, with all the baddies chasing after the suitcase decoys on the assumption that one of the suitcases contains the Qilin. The fact that this badly-executed trick worked just because the baddies weren't on the lookout for another suitcase or something is what I hate about this whole sub-plot.

[@octavianschaefer7294]

It was such an obvious oversight that I literally thought it was intentional

[@eve-neechan]

This made me wonder if originally there's surprise twist the 6th case was on Tina. She was missing on story all time, but then she appear with sixth case and she was do undercover all time

[@aragorn8401001]

She asked for 6 to be made and she kept the original (it was not safe to be kept with that guy) so doesn't that mean there were 7 in total?

[@Jay-nh6um]

Y'all are just disapointed that your ideas ended up not happening. This film has a lot of flaws, don't get me wrong, but you can't sin it for not having something you thought it would. "Half a dozen" is more like an expression, if she really needed exactly 6 bags she would have said that. Maybe Dumbledore asked for a few more, as he was still making up his plan? Maybe she asked for more just in case? I don't know, but no reason to be so disapointed because of that.

[@MrShdutchy]

The "seeing snatches of the future" joke was 10/10, I laughed so f*cking much at that I had to pause it

[@lilyflos187]

Bonus sin: In the scene where Theseus is being pulled into the pit, Newt yells out "Grab the tie!" in regular speed while the rest of the movie is moving in slow motion.

[@gor9027]

You knew JK Rowling wasn’t passionate about this franchise anymore when Dumbledore was deemed to be pure of heart.

[@violinflowerbot3677]

Fr fr

[@carsonhunt4642]

Yea I thought he was supposed to be kind of a dick? Also why was lally’s dumb accent not sinned 😂

[@romanborets3809]

I don't care what Rowling think, she just made some rerrible trash of potential cool story.

[@shadowhawkrine1947]

That part when grindelwald said “It’s Waldin time!” Was my favorite part of the film

[@JohnEusebioToronto]

Wanna know why no one ever addresses that so much of the magical world is happy to go to war with muggles? Because Rowling is a hack. She wants to set up the IDEA of systemic problems but can never conceive of a solution that isn't defeating bad individuals. Rather than confronting Grindelwald's ideology and the sympathy is has among the witches and wizards, the solution is just "beat the bad guy." The system is fine if you just beat the bad apples who make it bad. It's just bad writing.

[@DrakineRazorwing]

You're right and you should say it, she's genuinely just a shitty writer. Great concept, utterly horrible execution.

[@KhanMann66]

This why you shouldn’t make the writer write a script. Let someone else do it while she bounces ideas off them.

[@SashaRomeroMusic]

Totally agree. She can do world building well and character development decently, but social systems are non-existent. Things are just the way they are, which is mostly good as long as you stand for the status quo and don't question it too much. "Ha ha a whimsically dangerous magic school where we have 12 year olds falling to their near deaths on flying broomsticks and handling deadly plants!" If George R.R. Martin wrote Harry Potter, a Muggle-born like Hermione would go full OSHA on Hogwarts and demand better safety regulations

[@kayabaj]

@@SashaRomeroMusic She tried to, but she was laughed at as a lunatic ... for trying to end slave labor in the school. Yeah, Rowling isn't a great writer, or person for that matter.

[@JohnEusebioToronto]

@@kayabaj And Harry is a slave master by the end of the series. Fuck this stuff isn’t as fun as an adult.

[@rustydaboyrobot]

The protagonist shifted without logic from Newt to anyone NOT Newt. When clearly, these movies should be about Newt. If they had been smart, they would have done the first movie as a Newt origin story...THEN change gears and do a Dumbledore series...with Newt appearing only when important or necessary....and focus on Dumbledore....since that makes writing this story immensely more logical, and natural, in plot....instead of forcing a square peg in a round hole for 2 movies.

[@Igorcastrochucre]

"Is this series about exploring the wacky hijinx of magical animals with silly names or a dark fantasy story about politics, eugenics and the holocaust?" WB: Yes

[@motherplayer]

Hey, you say tomato and I say fun for the whole family (with bonus representation that can be easily edited out for other countries.)

[@alexatkin]

@@motherplayer If only the movie HAD been fun, rather an absolute incoherent mess that was a chore to watch. Saying that as a huge Harry Potter fan btw, I really wanted this series to work, but they goofed it big time.

[@motherplayer]

@@alexatkin For the record, that was comedy from my end. I'm not at all trying to give this series credit.

[@mstrikesback168]

it never happened

[@macp5527]

The fact that JD is not in this movie and EM is still in it should blow the sin counter to the max.

[@ELy-cs8lh]

11:16 extra sin: in the first movie, Newt flicked a little hidden switch under one of the locks that made the case “muggle worthy” for inspection, why couldn’t Bundy have done that in this instance so the man could make replica cases?

[@TeenDream888]

yooooooo I was so *enraged* that everyone wore muggle clothes. I was waiting for flowing cloaks and wizarding outfits, resplendent, sometimes garish, outrageous outfits. but nope, we got suits. it also really didn't help to distinguish the wizarding world from the muggle world, as both were gloomy and rather dull sets. I sometimes didn't realize when they'd moved between the two. this movie was a mess and a great disappointment.

[@mitzikolo]

I considered it a sin not to invite Dumbledore to the wedding... he just stands outside staring in like an impoverished hungry child watching a wealthy family eat dinner, then walks away slowly as if upset.

[@KGolden5242]

The "Earth Song" tie-in might be the single greatest moment in Cinema Sins history. BRILLIANT SIR! ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!!!

[@NANA-pi6xr]

Surprised cinema sins didn't sin for every spoon hit against the cup. Sounds like the sin counter and everything.

[@peregrinfandomizer]

You know, what I really want to know is what in the world Lally's accent is supposed to be. It sounded just so inconsistent. At first I was trying to pick out if it was northern or British. But when they said she works at Ilvermorny, which confirms her character is American. So, it sounded like a yankee accent that had some mid-American influence. But then there was this southern drawl that kept cropping up too. And...and I just can't tell!

[@Xgendude14]

Maybe she came from the South, hence the drawl? And Ilvermorny is in Massachusetts, so maybe she picked up some Yankee/mid-American from working at Ilvermorny? America is a mish mash of cultures and accents, this is 100% plausible. I’ve been all around the US and my accent is a mish mash of different accents

[@CaptainMemesteroid]

very clearly mid atlantic

[@peregrinfandomizer]

@@CaptainMemesteroid No, not really. If Lally's actress was trying to do a mid Atlantic accent, it was a poor attempt. I've done my own research recently and a few people have said it's a mid Atlantic, but it seems like thats mostly because it's what Lally's actress said it was. But it doesn't even make why would Lally even have that accent in the first place. Mid Atlantic was basically more or less created by Wlliam Tilly because it's what he thought it was what 'proper' or 'correct' English should be. And he then practically spent his time as a sorta dialect coach for actors and at universities teaching people to talk like that. As it turns out, Lally *is* from New York and mid Atlantic was taught in the school system, but it was kinda only available to people with a higher learning like Hazel Scott. Again, it's whole purpose was to sound refined. But here's the thing, Lally would have never really been exposed/taught it in the first place. Mid Atlantic was *not* an accent people spoke natively, it was taught to people to sound that way. But Lally never spent the rest of her formative years in the New York school system, she was a witch that started going to Ilvermorny when she was eleven. If anything, Lally's accent should have a more Massachusetts/Boston influence (a very non rhotic accent) since that's where she spent most of her childhood and teen years.

[@marieroberts5458]

Yeah, Lally's accent was all over the place...and if it was a mid-Atlantic accent, I would not have heard it as anything else than standard American English because apparently my native accent is ( like most suburban tri-State people) the mid-Atlantic accent (I am from the suburbs of northern and central NJ). So the accent was a mishmash of not knowing which side of the Atlantic your character is supposed to come from.

[@RetroGirl1967]

@@Xgendude14 I like your theory. She has parents who are from different regions and thus grew up hearing different regional accents and as a result her speech is an odd blend of both of them.

[@cande338]

Hahaha "I TAKE IT ALL BACK" Amazing. To me, this was the worst one yet. Especially, when they completely erased Nagini.

[@lounik3896]

21:45 I always thought that none of the suitcases in the room are the real ones, they're all just copies. When jacob tries to grab the first and dumbledore shakes his head it's just to misdirect in order to make newt think that that is THE suitcase so that grindenwald also believes it. So it doesn't matter what suitcase Jacob or Bunty grabs, the suitcases are copies, then whatever suitcase Bunty is left with, she's going to switch the fake case for the actual case that was never in the room. I base on this because, in the scene where Bunty goes to the shop to have the case replicated, she says that she needs half a dozen copies, so there are six copies of the case plus the original one (seven suicases) but we see only five in the room and, when I first watched the movie and I arrived at the room of requirement's scene, my question was : "where is the sixth case, there are only five" but it never occured to me that among those five there is the actual case, I always took for granted that they were all fake and that Bunty would grab the actual after exiting the room. I imaged that dumbledore's plan was not so much as "five don't know which the actual case is so grindenwald will be confused", it was more like "if five people will think that newt has the actual case and only two knows otherwise, then grindenwald's vision will be more attracted by five and will look for newt's case". At least, that is how I interpreted the movie (which plot makes no sense anyway but this is another matter)

[@claudiuivan6668]

Which case they thought was the real one, shouldn't have mattered. Because Grindelwald does not read minds, he sees the future. So if they all believed that the Suitcase #2 was the right one, it would have made no difference, because he would've known it wasn't that one eventually. And they've already made it clear in Harry Potter that the future is set in stone, so the >1 possibilities excuse does not work here, Grindelwald should've seen the outcome of this.

[@sawanna508]

@@claudiuivan6668 No they didn't make that clear. It is in doubt as Dumbledor says not every prophecy in the Department of Myteries was fullfilled. Hermione mantiones people who used time travlers destroyed ther future or past selves and terribel things can happen because of time travel.

[@theworldsmostplagiarizedma2436]

7:21 This is hysterical. If I wasn't sick and coughing my brains out, I wouldn't be mad at how much you make me laugh.

[@chinagirlmd]

Am I the only one who absolutely loved the addition of Lally? She is just the right amount of sense and quirk, and she feels the most "Harry Potter"-esque than most of the other characters. That's also why I liked the magic suitcase scene so much (bagel wave) - it was just crazy and quirky and funny and it felt very Fred/George joke shop.

[@fissilewhistle]

Lally is a splash of color in this lifeless drag of a movie. Her and Newt are in the wrong series.

[@aragorn8401001]

She was overacting like crazy in some parts of the movie....

[@hopes_and_dilligrout5463]

Personally, I didn't like her much 😕 I see where you're coming from, but she felt jarring to me *because* she was "quirky" amidst her surroundings. She felt out of place and inappropriate, which resulted in a feeling of dull annoyance for me whenever she was on screen. Not that I wasn't annoyed pretty much constantly anyway, but y'know...

[@07lipe077]

No she's unbearable. Every sentence the exact same "sassy" intonation. She doesn't feel more alive than any of the other zombies despite the fact that was their goal with her character.

[@pgood7266]

Yes you are

[@BellaMaoMi]

I swear I've gotten to a point where when an ad interrupts a CinemaSins video I wait for the sins to tick in and for CinemaSins to roast the horrible ads-

[@johnoneil9188]

When it comes to magical baggage I personally prefer Rincewind´s Luggage from the Discworld novels. It is semi sentient, indestructible, has a mean streak a mile wide and eats harks!

[@13wilsonh]

You missed the part where Dumbledore made a big show about his checkered scarf that he very blatantly transfigured into some drapes that ended up having no distinguishable cinematic effect or purpose at all

[@natm7932]

So much of the film was this; effects for effects' sake but no showing or telling of why it matters or what is happening

[@TheWarmachine375]

0:46 Fantastic Beasts didn't even use the excuse of Polyjuice Potion which allows the person to transform into someone else with the target's hair lock. To justify Grindelwald changing from Johnny Depp to Mads Mikkelsen.

[@harshivpatel6238]

Better yet, do a voldemort on it, Have grindy use a powerful magical spell that causes disfigurement & grants him more powers. So much was possible, they didn't even use 10% of the potential one could have, Dumbledore's screen time is utterly wasted, so is his character, he never shares anything about his private life much. Only time he did, he was already dead.

[@tiffprendergast7]

Yess

[@thoughtsofaleo2916]

"This movie exists," would have worked perfectly for this movie because seriously what the hell was this. I don't think any of us were expecting anything mind blowing, but at least make the movie enjoyable? If they somehow get a fourth movie, I'll be shocked.

[@KutayYavuz]

I cannot believe you didn't sin the qilin bowing before Dumbledore. It deserved at least 10 sins.

[@sydney33thomas]

My God. I didn't realize the resemblance between Credence and Kylo Ren! "But most of all... THE PANTS!!!" XD

[@joshcarey4187]

Discovery being a new sin is so very appropriate. Well deserved.

[@lostlegend2197]

Please do Everything Wrong With Doctor Strange In The Multiverse of Madness

[@classicloki6126]

For real, it’s been FOREVER

[@manfredivolante3963]

The two biggest sins of this movie imho are: - how do Dumbledore and team know the extent of the 'vision of the future ' of Grindelwald? I mean, how do they know that Grindelwald does not see EVERYTHING? And if we accept that Grindelwald can only see 'a few moments/scenarios', how they can assure that he does not see for example the plan with the fake briefcases? Or everything in between the events happening in the movie? - the Wizards accept the Qilin as a trustworthy chooser...why? Nobody has ever thought that (as it happens in the movie) the Qilin can be commanded through a spell? I mean, it is like "we trust the elections because they are not riggable...except they are". Completely nonsense.

[@Jay-nh6um]

1- Grindewald is not the only wizard capable of divination, not by a long shot. Divination is a class in Hogwarts, meaning it has been studied for a long time and has lots of specialists. It's very likely that this talent has been observed and studied before, maybe in different forms or applications but following the same principles. 2- One of the characters (I don't remember who) says Qilins cannot be deceived. This means it can read your soul, but it also implies that it cannot be bewitched, controlled or confused, which also explains why Grindewald had to kill it and animate its dead body in order to make it bow to him. This is not confirmed, but somewhat likely.

[@_MC529]

9:42 brooooooo IS THAT OLIVER MASUCCI?!?! THE GERMAN MADS MIKKELSEN? *HOLY SHIIIIIIT*

[@LucianDevine]

I love how the movie tries to create tension but fails miserably, because not only do we know that some characters can't die, none of the important characters have ever died. Until that happens we have absolutely no reason to fear for our characters, even if they get knocked unconscious or rendered immobile.

[@seresimarta4436]

They could have created tension without killing off people. In real life we are often stressed or afraid even if our life is not in danger. Protagonists can get hurt, punished, humiliated, betrayed, sick; can lose loved ones, limbs, privileges, important objects etc. There is absolutely a way to feel threat and tension even when you know they can't die.

[@LucianDevine]

@@seresimarta4436 And yet it also did none of those things. I think Newt got knocked unconscious at least 3 times, and each time not only do they not kill him, but they don't even capture or otherwise restrain him. They just leave him there, even though he's one of the primary people trying to foil their plan for world domination. Credence is allowed to fail Grindelwald twice without any repercussions or punishment. We're talking about the third most powerful wizard of all time and the second most powerful evil wizard of all time, a man, who along with his followers, committed numerous crimes and several murders. When it comes to Newt and any other protagonist though, nah just knock them out and leave them be. The actions of this man in this movie just don't fit with the story and reputation we have of him.

[@ThePandarian]

Honestly my least favorite part of this movie was the Qilin kneeling before dumbledore. He’s not pure of heart, he acts in self interest almost all of the time. There were so many more deserving characters that should’ve got the recognition (cough Jacob) but instead we get the most predictable shit that doesn’t make sense.

[@Codraroll]

No sin for the presentation at the "this is the team that's going to take down Grindelwald?" scene. They start off well with "A schoolteacher, a magical zoologist ..." or something, and then Yusuf is presented as "a member of a very old wizarding family", a line that pissed me off to no end, because it shows they don't have ANY idea about what his character is supposed to be. I think he was just in this movie because the actor had a contract for two movies, but he got zero development, no agency, and not even a characterization other than being born into an old family.

[@BubblesBear17]

I lost it when you started singing Earth song🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@TheWarmachine375]

The biggest sin of Fantastic Beasts is unjustly firing Johnny Depp when he was falsely accused and defamed by Amber Heard while keeping Ezra Miller who had committed crimes of grooming and kidnapping a girl, assaulting people and running from police.

[@LucyAdroit]

Logic gone

[@screamingbean7509]

@@LucyAdroit bold of you to assume they had any in the first place, make it make sense😒

[@FantasticBeasts2024]

Ezra did those after filming was complete

[@alwaystakemarktwainsadvice4269]

But to be fair no body knew about Ezra yet.

[@JayFolipurba]

I'm a fan of Johnny Depp, have been since Pirates. But Mikkelsen should have been cast in this role from the start. Ezra Miller I couldn't give a shit about from the first second he was on screen, he can be booted

[@IgnatiusBlaze4]

It's certainly better than the last it's just... dull, in a franchise about magic, a series about magical beasts, seems like there is barely any of that. Also the killing of Dumbledore's sister was explained in the books and movie, don't remember how, been a while since I read them and watched the movies even if I did read them like 8 times, but I feel like it was much more explained than here when... oh I don't know this is about Dumbledore and we SHOULD be getting more explanation, a flash back maybe showing it happen? The brothers arguing and then one or both the spells bouncing around the room Looney Tunes style only to hit her, I don't know SOMETHING!

[@TheWarmachine375]

0:26 Click if you want to skip the advertisement.

[@allenyork3239]

At this point the only thing that would get me to watch a fourth movie is to see if Credence finishes his transformation and becomes Snape or not cause if that's not what the movie is hinting at by him looking like he is 60% through with that! Then add another 100 sins!

[@Skyebright1]

He’s dead

[@okbooo]

@@Skyebright1 oh so he does finish his transformation then, nice to know.

[@rexskyfighter]

16:42 I can't believe you didn't point out the Les Miserables vibe from that considering that you have Dumbledore talking to Marius right there

[@kevinr.9733]

4:40 The point of the blood troth is to prevent one person from _literally_ moving against the other. That is all. It prevents them from directly attacking or considering directly attacking each other. It does _not_ prevent them from doing anything at cross purposes to each other's wishes so long as it does not involve them making any direct move against the other's person. After all, if it doesn't stop Dumbledore from mobilizing a group of wizards to try to stop Grindelwald's plans, why would it stop Grindelwald from exterminating muggles?

[@alatielinara]

When I was in the UK I really saw houses that bigger inside that looks outside, so now I just believe this is some default magic on those islands

[@aragorn8401001]

15:39 I would have gone with "Man this reminds me of a better movie".

[@sparrowflyaway]

Bunty freaking out over the guy looking in the case is dumb. The first Fantastic Beasts movie has a "Muggle mode" on the case so that Muggles can inspect it. Just turn that on again!

[@edwardvolcan14]

Also, a detail AND HUGE PLOT HOLE, the blood oath states that it will be broken if Dumbledore and Grindelwald hurt each other or someone they love (Credence being Abeforth’s son). But the fight that broke up Grindelwald and Dumbledore started because Grindelwald tortured Aberforth with the Cruciatus curse. SOOO by that definition it shouldn’t exist on this franchise because it should’ve been broken

[@shr1mpsush1]

I still love the fact that most of the plot is unironically being as incoherent as possible.

[@Valhallen002]

2:22 Ok thank god. After watching that part I would have been furious if you skipped out on a perfect Skyfall joke.

[@kilinatore]

I loove your ending! This is the right point on this franchise..the performances and characters make it interesting and entertaining enough and the first movie was pretty good..it's just the atrocious Rowling-writing that sunk the last two movies...I hated this movie to death in theaters but still want more!

[@Sir_Duckyweather]

The "Santos, Santos, San-tos" chant made me think of, "I am Evil Ho-mer!"

[@lostsoul2508]

I must be one of the few that didn't like the Grindel replacement because let's face it, Depp brought in a silent, psycho quality to his role as Grindel whereas Mads just seems to be just an angry guy. Don't get me wrong he did a decent job with what he was given but seriously the previous film felt better than this

[@alexatkin]

Especially as just because you can LOOK like someone else, doesn't mean your whole personality changes.

[@karissamarshall8167]

I didn't even watch it because Depp wasn't in it. I was sad but I can't support these movies anymore with them replacing him. From what little I've seen, I agree. Mads just didn't do it. Just an angry guy.

[@poniesatemypencils]

@@karissamarshall8167 I'm with you Karissa. I can't watch Secrets Of Dumbledore because of how Depp was unfairly dropped from Grindelwald, I loved his Grindelwald so much too.

[@elysilium]

To be honest, I actually really like Mads as Grindel. I didn't have too much of an attachment to Depp's portrayal, so maybe it's just that.

[@lostsoul2508]

@@elysilium - its all down to how we see Grndel, in the same way we'd be having this conversation if alan rickman had died DURING Harry Potter and he was recast.

[@mattstyles2498]

Ok " he sees snatches of the future" .... u got me. Take your trophy. U earned it.

[@RionTokymaka]

In a world where wizards can read each other minds and easily extract specific memories, couldn’t Grindelwald have had a good rummage around in Yusuf’s head to see what Dumbledore was up to? And you can’t say he removed those memories before going to see Grindelwald or he wouldn’t know what to do or why he was there. I mean why did Voldemort never insist on doing this with Snape and all his men? He was insanely paranoid especially towards the end.

[@tiffprendergast7]

Like Draco

[@juliandl7333]

I still enjoyed watching it as a casual movie experience with my wife, we like revisiting the wizarding world from time to time

[@Ms12369]

8:40 a wizard is never late. He arrives precisely when he means to.

[@johannaswart9537]

finaly someone who gets it

[@TheGowshikan]

Does anyone remember the ending of the second movie where credence breaks a mountain showing his anger for Dumbledore ! was seriously not expecting this kind of fight after that much build up to it !!

[@KrakenSlayer47]

"Hey kids, wanna see a wizard movie about election tampering?"

[@DeusExNihilum]

This move was an unmitigated mess, an actual garbage fire

[@thesourpatchkidd579]

I actually watched this movie three times, not because it was good but because I felt like there was a movie between this movie and the last that must've taken place and that's why the dull plot made no sense.

[@llamingo696]

Sooo theory confirmed or not?

[@thesourpatchkidd579]

@@llamingo696 tragically inconclusive

[@xaoc6084]

The way he said Zauber-Nichts had me deadd hahah

[@lordofthereels6790]

I would have loved a Lilly, James and Snape backstory. I know not knowing that creates mystique but I've always wanted to see Hogwarts in the 60's with the earthy elements of the hippie era tied with Hogwarts magic

[@RetroGirl1967]

Except James, Lily and Snape were 11 and started Hogwarts at the very end of the Hippie era. That being said, I would love to see Magical London during the swinging sixties. You know who would be about the right age-Molly and Arthur, or possibly Sirius's cousin Andromeda.

[@Dsandles47]

7:17 Bro really saw an amazing opportunity at double entendre and took it. .Well done, good man. Well done

[@phoenixdzk]

This movie plot was basically Rick and Morty's Randotron episode

[@user-yl3pp8fy9w]

Biggest sins: Yusuf deleted memories meaning nothing and no explanation for how he stayed on mission. Kylo Snape being an afterthought when the previous 2 movies were largely around him. The magically disappearing and appearing Spoon and Skillet during the Jacob and Lally meeting, how do continuality/editors keep their jobs?

[@rpsnider85]

One of the dumbest decisions ever was not having the magic deer thing bow to Jacob. The defenders of this atrocious movie will mutter about "subverting expectations" and come up with long reasons why it wasn't him...when the reality is very simple. They felt like they NEEDED to have it kneel to Dumbledore, because he's the most recognizable character in this movie. Having it kneel to Jacob in front of everyone...including Grindlewald accomplishes literally everything the heroes supposedly wanted. Shows that muggles ARE worth while, can be just as good, etc. Not too mention that it'd show the disparity between what they were willing to choose in Grindlewald, evil, and expose his nonsense for what it was by having the magic deer kneel directly opposed to everything he stands for. Defeated in detail would be the terminology used for how utterly devastating that would have been for him. Yet, it kneels to Dumbledore and some lady we know nothing about and who's never been mentioned before or since in any meaningful way. Yay?

[@sawanna508]

I expected it would bow to Newt (after Dumbledore) not the President.

[@Dothomir777]

Convienence Walkenby got a snort laugh from me, thank you

[@niamhcostello4766]

And that end fight was so anticlimactic. Like everyone talks about the amazing duel between Dumbledore and Grindewauld, but it felt so short

[@cameronclophus7998]

That fight is in 1945 and takes 3 days

[@caylariddick1673]

The snape outtake for credence has me weak! 😂

[@creativespace8637]

It sucks that they don’t explicitly let you know who Grindelwald is until like 40 minutes in, because I had forgotten that Johnny was recast. So basically I had no idea what was happening

[@Intro_Vertical]

Holy crap I was just wondering where this video was from you. Turns out you were already working on it!. Well done!

[@zenbamboo7978]

Went to see this film. Got comfy recliner chairs and saw so much Hufflepuff pride (GO FELLOW BADGERFLUFFS!) But my god the first 20 minute slow burn between Albus and Grindy made me want to die. Not because gay wizards but because MY GOD I COULDN'T CARE LESS! GET ON WITH THE FANTASTIC BEASTS!

[@Truecrimeresearcher224]

With a movie that doesn't have that many fantastic beasts

[@zenbamboo7978]

Yeah. I usually can sit through any film HOWEVER during this I was so bored, my will to forget was too strong and all I wanted to do was walk about - talk - do ANYTHING other than WATCH THIS FUCKING FILM!

[@zoharracz1568]

No sin for the "Always" call back? I mean call forward? I mean ding!

[@johnburnside7828]

I think it was pretty well established in the HP movies that Dumbledore IS a monster.

[@WilliamWizer]

I disagree. that comment was mean to the poor, innocent, monsters. to compare those nice creatures with Dumbledore... that was cruel. poor dementors. what have they done to deserve that ofensive remark? dumbledore is far worse than a monster.

[@riverskipworth2657]

And he knows it about himself very well! In the final book, he admits his flaws, and that he wanted this power that he dreamed of. He knows that he's not pure of heart. It looks like the author just forgot. Anyway, what are his secrets? IS it that he had a nephew? Like wtf is that really, Aurelius Dumbledore?!! The hell... WHEN I heard it in the second movie, I thought it'll be just some bullshit lie that Grindelwald made up, but I never, ever thought they'd go through with that, because of course he.gotta be someone related to Dumbledore, no matter, nah it'll be fine...,

[@fissilewhistle]

@@riverskipworth2657 Maybe the Dumbledore with the secrets is supposed to be Aberforth? Either that or the secret in question is the tragedy of Ariana.

[@Jay-nh6um]

Are you saying this because of him joining Grindewald? Because he had a change of heart and even directly opposes Grindewald this movie. I don't see why he would he be so evil

[@johnburnside7828]

@@Jay-nh6um No, because of the way he uses Harry and others to bring down Voldemort.

[@ILLTHOT]

Love the Earth Song reference.

[@thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051]

One of the biggest Trainwrecks in all of cinema

[@TreeckoJedi9]

The biggest sin is that Mads Mikkelson wasnt Grindelwald the whole time.

[@anneschulz2634]

10:25 I don't want to be a smartass, but isn't it obvious that in a magic world things like doors, buildings are protected with you know, magic? Magic is only the solution as long as you are the only one who can do it. But in a world where everyone can do magic, it kinda evens out and you can't open every door, teleport whereever you want etc. Magicians in a magical world are more limited in their abilities than in storys where they are the only one with powers. 11:20 Yeah, wizards can trace magic. So that wouldn't work, everyone with magic could tell. As for Tina: She was meant to be in the movie, but got very sick with covid, suffering from Long Covid for some time. That wasn't a plot hole, just shit that happened. I really hope she's better now.