Fantastic Four issue 1 by Jim Lee and his School Pal, Brandon Choi, Marvel Comics Heroes Reborn 1996

[@snarferyasmr3739]

Jim Lee had lots of reference magazines back then: National Geographic, Penthouse, Playboy, Hustler. He gave them all to Greg Land later on.

[@RobertWilkinsonJKekMaloy]

A healthy dose of ‘art’ books helps the budding artist figure out where her organs is.

[@castizodonkeykong282]

Growing up in the 2000s, every How to Draw book was aping the Jim Lee/Image style. Every time I see Jim Lee draw a spaceship, I see no imagination in it because it looks like every book I got a scholastic book fair. Not to mention that FF should be the craziest, most high-concept book in Marvel’s corner at any given time and this Choi guy wants to turn it into the first 5 minutes of Austin Powers 3

[@castizodonkeykong282]

@@roymakescomics it’s hard to top the 60s stuff, literally my favorite superhero comics ever. Everyone who came after Byrne seems to fundamentally misunderstand the appeal. I also think Jim Lee is sometimes a creative guy, and one of the most natural talents in the industry, it’s more that his style is so copied that it feels stale. It’s not to my taste but I can acknowledge the skill

[@josepholesco2061]

Ringo and Todd Dezago did Tellos for image .And Ringo Also drew an issue of Gen13 Bootleg for Wildstorm.

[@YaleStewartArt]

That commentary on Sue's pose when she sees Ben for the first time had me DYIN.

[@v-trigger6137]

😏

[@SHAUMBE.]

i can seriously appreciate eps where they have more negative than positive to say lol

[@RobertWilkinsonJKekMaloy]

I would rather someone look at my stuff and be honestly negative (this character sucked because he kicked a baby) than falsely positive (oh it was sooooo Gud!)

[@theaceofspades56]

The suggestion of The Moleman on a bowflex machine made me lol

[@slackerman_music]

My friend gave me all the Jim Lee drawn books from this run. I read those books until it was worn down. I returned the favor years later by giving him the trade paperback.

[@v-trigger6137]

you know I really miss the 90s comics, granted some of the art work was overly stylisized and ridiculous and female characters were always sexualized. but that was all part of the fun, at the end we read comics for fun. not because we wanna read a 5 hours serious movie.. huge steroid characters gun blazing, throwing pop culture references and getting an unexpected crossover at the end of a arc, was always fun. nowadays comics don't have these stuff at all. now every comic wants to be edgy and political

[@mattprather3140]

Just saw yesterday's post this morning. Couldn't have anticipated I would be watching this compare and contrast second video today. The idea of the Heroes Reborn line seemed like such a fun idea... it never seemed to gel into something other than, "not pay off "... thanks for sharing this collection of not Jim Lee moments. Still a sucker for some Jim Lee comics though.

[@CartoonistKayfabe]

Matt, I think you sum up my feelings well. This is a fun idea. But I didn't find the actual comic fun to read or look at. And that to me is a big difference between the original and this new one. That original felt fun, light, and creative. Even the pacing felt like it moved at a bouncing speed, cartoon-like. In the late 90s/early 2000s, the lack of fun in a lot of the Marvel/DC Comics caused me to look at alternative comics, indies, manga, old comics. In hindsight, I'm grateful that Marvel/DC pushed me away. - Jim

[@RobertWilkinsonJKekMaloy]

@@CartoonistKayfabe I would like to be so bold as to ask if you would be interested in reviewing a proof of concept. If you are interested, the link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/an-udnyJaNBlsJY. I am in need of a critical eye.

[@ericandrew9214]

I loved the Defalco/Ryan run on FF that proceeded this book.

[@garykuzminski7969]

"... no pun intended." BWAAAHHAHAHAHAHA! I spit my morning coffee all over my desk.

[@markc5406]

Yeah, Todd Dezago and Mike Wieringo's Image story was TELLOS. Beautifully written and IMO, Ringo's greatest work. You need to find the big collected hardcover. It would make a GREAT kayfabe episode.

[@gregorywatine8522]

This is a really interesting video for me because, this comics is the first comics i bought at the age of 9, and i loved it. I'm french so at that time, and especially at my age, super heroes comic books were not a really common thing to find and read. An interesting thing is that this issue was printed on glossy paperin France, so the rendering of colors was more enjoyable on our version. Plus, the dynamism and precision of Jim Lee's pencil was sooo different of the classical humoristic french comic book, which was common to read at that time, so for me it blows my mind ! In fact, discovering comics, the characters (FF in France are way less famous than x-men, spidey, avengers and so on), dr Doom ("dr Fatalis" in french) this comic book was perfect for me. i think the real mistake was to implemant it in the continuity. But, at least it gives the idea of the Marvel Ultimate univers, and gives the credibility of recreation of old characters in a modern way, and (with this bunch of "movies clichés") opening a road for all the following modern super hero movies. Thank you for this critic but really fun video and souvenirs ! :)

[@theartofSkinner]

Love watching you guys walk through the past.

[@warrenkatz319]

Weringo did do his own comic/title under Image (cliffhanger) called Tellos. good fantasy type story that really hits you in the "feels" man

[@moviepitches]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that hates Brandon Choi, he may have single handedly fucked Jim Lee's true greatness with these garbage stories he wrote.

[@bobhoskins-kl6ue]

the whole hero's reborn thing has to be one of the worst idea ever

[@stevegreen2082]

I absolutely loved this issue and the whole run as a kid. This book made me a huge FF fan.

[@cluelessbeats]

Ugh, looks like the 90s just up and puked all over that paper. Give me Lee/Kirby FF all day long over this

[@miamikaos5958]

Why weren't the Fantastic Four ever arrested for commandeering the spaceship and going into space ahead of the planned launch??

[@jason5388]

I think Jim Lee's more interesting when inked by someone other than Scott Williams. Would be interesting for you guys to check out Punisher War Journal 8 and 11, inked by Lee himself and Klaus Janson, respectively.

[@BatFan1]

@@JarJarBinks4ever You're joking. Lee hit his peak at the start of his full run on Uncanny X-Men and didnt end until the end of his first run on Wildcats before his sabbatical. This Heroes Reborn FF was his return to full time monthly work and you could tell he was rusty and influenced by J Scott Campbell with his approach to drawing younger characters (slimmer bodies, bigger eyes). He got better as the series went on but we didnt get X-Men Jim Lee again until he did Batman Hush.

[@pietrogrillo8983]

Would love to see you guys go through the 5 issues of the Silver Surfer Black by Tradd Moore

[@canijustplease]

2020 and marvel are yet again struggling to make a buck and they have no one to turn to to save them this time.

[@teeveeparty]

I don't think disney is looking to Marvel's comic division to make a huge profit. It's an IP farm to keep the trademarks in play.

[@canijustplease]

@@teeveeparty you're not wrong but there does have to be some measure of success and fanfare to give disney an indication of what might work in television and cinema. If everything they churn out is garbage, well what do you think the end product will be also? Their biggest grossing movies were based on very successful and much loved story arcs.

[@RobertWilkinsonJKekMaloy]

Marvel slit their own throat when they reissued all those number ones and reprinted all those comics that ‘no longer existed’ because they decided to base themselves in marketing instead of creating.

[@jclaurent3108]

Haha, so true, the Ads next to some of the pages look clearer and more composed. Why the hell would you make the Fantastic Four so damn dark in the first place ?! Baffles me…

[@uu119816]

No joke - I can very VERY clearly remember thinking Ed’s exact settlement regarding the Brandon Choi popular movie influence/cliches as a 14 year old in the 90s

[@NitroModelsAndComics]

I remember them giving these away at the Boston Con weeks after it came out. I grabbed a few and sat with it to read it. I got through the first few pages and threw em in a box where they probably still are to this day. Ughhhh..

[@snarferyasmr3739]

I came across all the Reborn issues when I was cutting down my collection, they didn't sell on eBay and ended up being donated lol. Shoulda sent them to the boys

[@DCMarvelMultiverse]

I love this issue. This is the best FF movie by far. And it's a comic.

[@liamfortune7115]

Jim’s “that’s funny” at the image reporter lady was so dead inside,my exact feelings on this comic lmao

[@yolanda8563]

I had this issue as a kid without the cover.

[@darioscomicschool1111]

13:42 I would have loved to collect al the first Issues of heroes Reborn, but I was young back then and was already Collecting X-Men and Wolverine Monthly here in Germany! But that Fantastic Four N#01 I had to have!

[@ryanjavierortega8513]

It’s so cool that Jim Lee is a Tiger.

[@davewrighteous5408]

The Fantastic Four have always been my favorite Marvel characters and I remember getting this when it came out. Ugh. The lads are bang on with their review. Choi simply floods the book with Claremont levels of dry dialogue and the colors are a muddy mess. I've never liked Jim Lee as I find his page layouts and storytelling/narrative skills to be extremely weak and that's on full display here. DeFalco and Ryan had put in a decent run on the FF for years and they got removed for this?!? Awful and mercifully brief.

[@louiechin2937]

Oh yeah! The ringo book. Was it tellos or something like that

[@theragoooverlord5021]

I was on two sides of this understanding through wizard that parts of the industry were not on board. The only part of h.r I'd recommend is the first 6 issues of each title.

[@presteign99]

Ringo did Tellos at Image.

[@jeremytaylor5092]

To speak of the color the. Need some complamplanentary color to Cho with that blue and some complementary color palettes to help it is Choi writing anything for DC now?

[@ferrarriohh]

This was a good punt for F4, i always dug Jim’s covers for this series so it pulled me in, but the real series is the Claremont/Larroca run that follows it.

[@bobhoskins-kl6ue]

I bought this when it came out because I was interested in FF and Lee's art, I think I dropped it after issue 2 or 3

[@JakobNoone]

We've seen the origin panels of the FF "retold" many times over the years. Besides the original Kirby in FF 1... who redrew the sequence best? And (if you can remember) where?

[@JakobNoone]

For my money the answer is probably Kirby himself who redrew the sequence later in his Marvel Age of Comics period with his more mature style. But that's a bit of a cop-out. So John Byrne gets my nod.

[@timothybarnett1006]

about the colouring, wasn't one of the main reasons DC brought Wildstorm was to get their state of the art colouring department.

[@jclaurent3108]

Well if you don’t want to do issue two, go for the Rob Liefeld one, it cannot be worse … or can it ;-))) !!!

[@madbug1965]

These Image reboot books were a big waste of time. They all sucked. Bad art. Bad designs. Bad storytelling. Does anyone remember that terrible Iron Man design with the big pipes coming out of his back? This was a low point in Marvel Comics.

[@loringbush3319]

Jim Lee used a centerfold picture of Jenna Jameson!

[@erikwirfs-brock2432]

A Jim Lee comic that is not even really fun to look at, what a sin (and decompression in comics only got worse over time, although it kind of makes sense if a lot of comics are more like proof of concepts for movies)

[@palchristianandersen9086]

It's kinda funny when you open some modern comic and every page is just 4 wide panels. Like not even hiding it at all.

[@edmunddansart7253]

Tellos! (Weringo's Image book)

[@GregHallArt]

Ed, you and Greg 'Craola' Simkins have the same voice. You sound identical.

[@juggernaut44]

This story catches a lot of slack, but I do believe it is good; it actually sums up the Fantastic Four nicely and is really the first pseudo-ultimates line before ultimates... it has a lot of words, but it is trying to fit in a lot and a lot of comics before the cinematic era had a lot of words

[@KmanScan]

I guess the #1 by Scott Lobdell and Alan Davis WON'T be next? :-P

[@justin-md4xm]

Dem back muscles

[@drawrobot]

All I see is mud. Gradient mud. Blech!

[@davelanciani-dimaensionx]

It's funny, I say the same thing about EVERY dialogue line in a Michael Bay or Roland Emmerich movie. It's nothing but bad cliches from other movies.

[@EDifyer881]

Sue's got back lol

[@jerartist127]

this to me was a beautiful comic

[@retrovideos1445]

Think this was the last superhero comic I bought

[@jclaurent3108]

I wonder if this is actually not the worst Jim Lee work, and nobody will agree with me, but Scott Williams did not help ! Funny thing is this applies to all the Heroes Reborn titles, it’s likes those guys took a piss and laughed at Marvel begging them to save them, and rushed in here with no respect or interest for it. This was there change to make History and do there very best, but spoiled as they were at the time, I think they didn’t see the opportunity ! Big mistake from Marvel to let this happen … SAD !!!

[@JakobNoone]

Absolutely. I tried all these comics. Liefeld's felt like he was trying to do good comics, but just had bad chops until he lost interest. Jim Lee's totally felt like he was phoning it in or signing his name to assistant's work from the get-go. I stuck with them all longer than I should have.

[@BatFan1]

this was Jim's return to full monthly comics since the end of the first Wildcat run and Deathblow. He had done some fill in issues here and there for various Wilstorm books but you can tell he was rusty in this issue. Not to mention influenced by J Scott Campbell and his approach to drawing younger characters. I feel we didnt get the real Jim Lee back until he did the Batman Hush run.

[@samankucher5117]

to be honest I click because of the thumbnail... I can't ignore that thiccness go unclicked I have to say the thing is just build different.

[@cullenn2100]

I *just* read the 4-issue "World War 3" storyline (it wan through all the 13th Heroes Reborn issues). It was TERRIBLE. James Robinson was definitely on something last-minute. It was hacky even for an already-hacky gimmick

[@TheWhmaxwell]

That whole comic is NOT an improvement.... Amazingly poor work, script, color, even the art is super stiff. I had honestly forgotten about that comic until this vid.. thanks for bringing that back to mind!!! LOL

[@TRC714]

Comic art has really gone downhill since the 90’s.

[@Junketsuadidas]

It’s out there, just gotta look harder for it because the big 2 won’t give artists a spotlight anymore

[@MagicJulienBertone]

Body counts updates hahahahahaha