Overweight, entitled whale loudly quits F2P game, surprising no one - MechWarrior Online

[@Discohydrus]

Tuesday. We're here for you. The fact that you were a member of the MWO community, suffering with us, was just bonus points that made our, your, community love you even more. You've had my sub since you first started MWO, when I used to trawl the forums. While I haven't picked up MWO in almost a year because of creative differences with Paul and Russ. PGI would be better off, in my opinion, with the leadership disbanded. They're the ones poisoning the pool. The artists have done a great job, the coders have tried their best. PGI is fucking up on a fundimental game design level. There's one thing that seems the most appropriate for this. #SaveMWO.

[@johnressler18]

Thanks Russ. 1/2 of my favorite KZbinrs that play MWO gave up on your game. Thank you very much Fantastic Tuesday for your MWO videos.

[@rakgitarmen]

I feel the same way. Absolutely zero motivation to continue investing my time in this game after hearing Russ' and Paul's reactions.

[@FantasticTuesday]

Yeah I was just going to quietly stop playing until Russ put on his cheap skates and skated around the street.

[@sarahts21]

It's the fact that Sean, PGI's official streamer who has a PGI tag in the game (or did), was the first person to say he doesn't have a module set per Mech and is thus, according to Russ, a cheapskate. So even PGI's official streamer doesn't have unlimited access to modules/Mech's/C-Bills/MC... WTF?

[@energyfitness5116]

Russ Chassis have a 50% cooldown reduction on Foot in Mouth weapons.

[@DeityDiz93]

I will say this. I originally came to your channel for MWO stuff because you had a vary hilarious amount of content on the game, and one of those videos was were you created a Spider Urbanmech, and that still to this day gets me to laugh. However, as someone who played the game in closed beta, I had originally been happy to see MechWarrior come back in some form, and I won't lie when I say I enjoyed the game despite like of single player; however, the game has not been friendly to me since I've not spent a cent on the game at all, and because of that, I've never once felt like I could explore the contents of the game to the fullest extent, nor be a part of the community that much because I'd simply have to spend money to speed the processes, and given all the stuff I've been seeing going on, the last thing I really wanted to do was give money to people who truly didn't embrace the MechWarrior community or make the game what it could potentially be: An awesome online mech simulator game. I've been wanting for years a MechWarrior game like the ones we've had in the past, so despite the good foundations built in MWO, the good have been forced to change radically at times, which frankly made me fall into the group of people who waited to see if they would make the game better. Seeing this happen to the MechWarrior series is beyond tragic for me, and especially since these are the people making the next entry. Perhaps I'll give MechWarrior Living Legends a go, and hope that MechWarrior 5 isn't what I fear it will be like. I ultimately hope a gaming company who takes interest in this series looks to take up the chance to make a great official mech game someday and bring out the amazing potential that the MechWarrior series truly has. I just miss good MechWarrior.

[@SuperHelmBros]

14:50 It's been a really sad and enraging process as a BattleTech fan with these numb-nuts at PGI. An utter lack of inspiration and/or care for MechWarrior from the ass-hats up top.

[@krocodockle2544]

Amen brother. I get a strong sense that Russ and pgi feel entitled. mwo has always been expensive but now the hard event reward nerfs, increased grind and releasing an unfinished skill tree has put it into clear focus. pgi feels they can take without giving. truth is it's not even a give and take relationship. I'm a customer. if i don't like the product i leave... so long pgi. to hell with Russ, his game and his entitlement.

[@xattr8403]

I quit MWO after they nerfed the Timberwolf to a point where it was unplayable. I played the Timberwolf since MW2, since I was a child, I literally grew up in that Mech. It was the swiss army knife of Mechs, I mastered several loadouts, from close combat to long range I could do it all with my Timby. Over the years in MWO the Timberwolf got hit by a lot of nerfs, but I was piloting it like it was my own body, I was realy good with it, I could always make it work again. But not this time. It died, they killed it. Like youd kill a cowboys horse. Thats how I quit this game...

[@TheJrnyman]

Man, sorry to see you go. Your vids were some of the things that made me start playing. I'm still completely new, but it seems to me that the real drive behind this skill tree is to drive up player count. By smacking the old players with the grind stick again. Not exactly the way to reward loyalty, but if you were dead set on the #1 problem being low active players, maybe you'd be blind enough to just "know what's right". Any rate, good luck, and thanks for all the laughs!

[@furiouspunkboy]

Founder on the sidelines here, i know them feels man, been afk since just after the kodiaks dropped however long ago that was and i just cant bring myself to come back and its not even any one thing its just every little thing pgi does. I'm just a sad founder with countless mechs, mechpacks and MC/paint/camo purchaced with like 3000+ forum posts who use to play for hours every day that just cant bring himself to bother anymore. but hey we have had one hell of a ride these last couple of years.

[@MemeGnome]

It's like Russ was taking advice from war thunder when it came to changing the game/customer interaction.

[@Restosiii]

I have 56 mechs in my stable, getting a 35M refund from the module crap. I constantly sell my mechs and rebuy them later on. If I do that now, I'm going to have to completely regrind those C-Bills and XP again. I run lore builds constantly, and those are getting nerfed due to quirks getting slashed. The only reason I'm not as salty as the dead sea is because of the fact that I've been waiting for 3068 tech for years. That's literally it. I just want to have some fun with new tech, and they're trying to ruin it by releasing the skill tree in its current state, and calling me a goddamn cheapskate. Dammit PGI, stop it.

[@kmieciu4ever]

new tech just means power creep and another cbill sink...

[@1982chiXu]

I'm one of those "waiting on the sidelines" for the game to be good again. Been playing since day 1 of CB, had breaks during my time, seen it all unfold as time goes along. I'm never surprised by PGI and what they do, their failings and poor attempts at injecting a new lease of life into the game. All I can say is that I'm glad my tournament winnings paid back all of the cash that I put into this game buying 'mech packs because now I have no legitimate feelings of losing money by not playing.

[@commanderlemming7450]

Good god what happened in your room? Looks like hurricane Katrina just struck.

[@entropy11]

He's really upset about skill tree.

[@FantasticTuesday]

+entropy11 No I just love entropy.

[@revengexmoon2087]

FantasticTuesday Tuesday is in love with chaos...but does it love him back?

[@liquidleopard4495]

Katrina Kell? Katrina Kerensky? :)

[@Forbiddina]

especially when everybody in my whole unit is one of those "edge cases" i don't know anybody who has full sets of modules who has more than 20 mechs.

[@Forbiddina]

Koshiro2k3 well my philosophy was always just have 1 set of modules to have more money for mechs. I have 105 mechs and 6 modules... yep....

[@kmieciu4ever]

Mechs are the only content in this game. Buying duplicate modules instead of new mechs borders on insanity.

[@GeardoGaming]

Unless you play Faction Play where you need 4 sets of modules for the 4 Mechs in the drop deck.

[@Forbiddina]

yeah, and reading over my original comment i meant for full sets for all of their mechs. i mean if i counted i might have 15 modules but only 1 seismic and 2 radar dep the rest are weapon modules.

[@harackmw]

I think this video made a difference, Tuesday, thanks for that. Time will tell, however, and we shall see what PGI does in the coming months.

[@gornto]

Shrek's really let himself go.

[@liquidleopard4495]

"And so Wubverine begat ThunderWub, WubMaster, and WubCrow..."

[@karlschluetz]

Tuesday, always enjoy watching your stuff. Sad to hear you go, but understand why. Looking forward to seeing whatever videos you move onto next! :)

[@FantasticTuesday]

+Karl Schluetz Thanks man. :)

[@FantasticTuesday]

+Karl Schluetz Thanks man. :)

[@mcchuggernaut9378]

I quit playing a year ago. I just could not justify spending hundreds of dollars on a single, badly managed game. I honestly think their (PGI's) biggest downfall was charging exorbitant sums for everything that wasn't FTP. If they had dropped their prices, a lot more people would have paid a few bucks and gotten into the game. It would have been way more accessible to the average gamer, and drawn a much bigger player base, which would have more than made up for the lower prices. The pay wall killed MWO.

[@Genesis23OPB]

i dont know about the community... i often get scolded by my pug team members at the beginning on the match for bringing a centurion, orion or my personal favorites, the spiders. "waste of tonnage", "waste of a slot", "fucking useless IS trash" are the nicest things i hear in thia cases.

[@FantasticTuesday]

+Genesis23OPB That's probably gotten worse in the last few months since PGI had to change MM so all 5 tiers play together. This is because not enough people were playing for them to keep tiers separate. This will only get worse when ~10% quit after this patch.

[@ishy858]

Goodnight sweet prince. I'll miss your amusing videos.

[@annelisemeier283]

I literally run all my mechs naked. Never much bothered with Modules in the old game.

[@Eepples]

I can only play like once or twice a week, own about 6 modules and around 30 mechs, And I have no clue how I'm going to master all my mechs with the time I have to play. I'm dreading leveling up any assualts that I couldn't pay for right away because most of my opposition will be in "souped up" mechs with all these buffs. I want to love this game again, goddamn it

[@N0nidesu]

You know a game will change for the worst when Sigma Lead quits.

[@Gurren813]

So when can we expect to see more MWLL content?

[@GrimAvenger93]

Gurren813 PLEASE!

[@OtioseFanatic]

Uuuuuummm... You know that MW:LL HAS a few recent updates right? up to 0.8.2 now thanks to the community edition.

[@IceFire1800]

gonna get more due to MWO lol

[@spetsnaz_bear441]

Hard at work!

[@TKnightcrawler]

LL was always the superior game.

[@Paladin_Ryan]

PGI driving content creators and many normal players away with changes that people do not like while arrogantly insulting a large number of players with a poor attempt at a joke. PGI frequently demonstrates that they have their collective head up their collective ass but this is just another level. I had been taking a break from the game but was considering coming back soon... not happening with these changes and that insulting attitude from Russ.

[@Fitzkrieg]

you helped me on reddit, name's Elyssian Trooper, and yeah. I'm basically not coming back. I was so tempted to buy a bushwacker and play my favorite mech but...I just see no enjoyability coming from it, not when I have games I actually have fun playing

[@JustSomeGuy489]

In response to the feedback, they have revised the skill trees: There are now more nodes with less benefit per node, all Cbill cost of nodes have been removed, respecs are free, and it's now a lot less skill point efficient to boat one weapon type. What this (in theory) should do: Effectively make weapon boating obsolete, meaning Ghost Heat no longer has to exist, make builds more varied, make more mechs viable for play, and force people to sacrifice a lot in order to specialize, also it's easy to get into as a newer player due to the removal of Cbill costs and free respecs. I think it's a generally positive change, Thanks for contributing to the delay so we didn't have to launch with it.

[@UNO2790]

thx for the summary

[@JujuShinobi]

If only you weren't in EU, I'd carry your ass in Overwatch. Hope we keep on contact even without MWO bby

[@DenisLyamets]

They did the same mistake a few years ago when reset the CW map after the Wolf clan capped the Terra. I mean: they negated all that those people did. Now PGI going to make it again and affect more players. Nice move...

[@XskiXedgeX]

I'm taking my "cheap ass" to another game. I can't believe he said that. I want my ACTUAL money back, at this point.

[@assaiLTTV]

Yeah this is probably the end for me too, solid vid, rip Tuesday.

[@alanstanton1814]

Came here just out of curiosity over the last PGI debacle, oddly empty of new comments.

[@harackmw]

weirdly enough a lot of what he says is still relevant

[@alanstanton1814]

@@harackmw it is what it is

[@smockytubers1188]

18:26 Wow, he's pointing at me! Yep, not surprised. And not coming back. Have really no hope I ever will because none of these things ever surprises me. When anyone at PGI, besides that one cool guy from the art department, starts playing the game they seem intent on butchering, let me know.

[@DesignDocsWithJames]

completely off topic, but it's been awhile since i've seen you on camera and gotta say, im feeling things in my ovaries I didn't know I could feel.

[@phantommauler3602]

kinda sad to hear u leaving it indefinitely dude, but i can salute your reason for doing so. may your internet gaming travels take you to greener pastures 07

[@thespacemarine247]

And I Already pre-ordered the Assassin... Well, all in all I think I'll be okay, when the Assassin comes for me in my sleep.

[@FantasticTuesday]

They allow you to cancel pre-orders up until the release date. Just sayin'.

[@liquidleopard4495]

I think I need to cancel my Annihilator order. I was already skeptical that it would be useful, with that itty-bitty engine cap. Now, the Unskill Tree...

[@Mcgral18]

But...do you want to buy a Grabdeal! Coming Tuesday! ...Will it be Fantastic? Or Mediocre?

[@Fragosaurus_Rex]

They've actually come up with some resolutions for many of the problems you mentioned here, especially having to regrind all your 'Mechs, before they released the update. While the dumb shit Russ says can't be undone, have you/would you be interested in coming back to the game? P.S. I'll argue you back if you need me to, I'll be the first to succeed. :b

[@wildekarde5215]

I've less an issue with the XP for levelling or to an extent the cbill cost to level but more concerned over a new mech being so much worse than a mastered mech. It bodes ill for new players getting hammered by mechs that are just so much better than what they are able to use. Being a casual player I want to play to have fun so if my partially mastered mechs aren't able to let me at least compete then I won't have much fun.

[@NerdySatyr]

So any ideas what you are going to move onto now Tuesday? :) I'm sure you have plenty of followers who will, well, follow you! :P But will be nice to see new content from you, so play whatever you enjoy! If people don't like it? They can do one!

[@FantasticTuesday]

HBS Battletech when the beta releases, for one. That was originally going to be this month but now we have to wait.

[@NerdySatyr]

Hells yeah, looking forwards to that. Hopefully I'll be able to pop onto stream and chat again sometime!

[@StarGundam007]

Is the HBS Battletech beta open or closed?

[@GeardoGaming]

Closed but you can still buy in and they are allowing videos for those who are in it like myself. I want it way more than fixing MWO. Beta also does not have the full abilities of the released game, no modifying Mechs for example, only PvP no storyline.

[@sd501st5]

OH YES! I would love seeing HBS Battletech content on your channel!

[@95iBall]

I don't quite understand, I was relatively new before this new skilltree and had had a half year break when i started playing again after it's introduction, but I had a load of "Historic Skillpoints" flying around. Not nearly enough to master every mech I have ofc, but then I only had mastered like 2 or 3 I believe. Was this not introduced at the time of this video?

[@Mure_nos]

And you were ahead of the curve. This MW5 shit is close to a new low, but I think Transverse might still be the worst of it.

[@jameswood4156]

the WC burned out my unit, the way ED was handled burned me out. i was hoping the skill tree would be enough of a proper give and take specialization system, not a meta-enhancing derailing train. Might get a few matches in before this goes live, but I know whats waiting for me on the other side of the log in screen. On the plus side, Warframe and World of Warships grinding doesn't seem too bad anymore.

[@-tr0n]

while warships really isn't perfect and their recent "premium to win" ships are very perfectly always balanced and don't completely run the ranked meta at all...the grind isn't bad. stock ships and low skilled captains are still manageable (unlike the tanks version, and now the mech version)

[@Beatle1283]

Just dont leave KZbin Tusday. There are other Mech games out there and i can't have my only true Robot Jox quality goods supplier leave. I need my fix man! :)

[@nip3004]

I love how many people got upset over this when in context you can easily tell he is referring to C-bills not Real world money when he says cheapskates.7:32

[@farlek8806]

For me (I only have 7 mechs and will get about 80 mil back from modules), this patch would only make the game more enjoyable. It gets rid if the stupid rule of 3 which effectively meant I lost 2 mechbays (luckily I was wise enough never to spend money on his game), and would add some limited customisation while getting rid of the god-awful pilot tree. Before that podcast I was somewhat looking forward to the patch and what I might put in those two mechbays, but now I am simply filled with despair and intend to quit for good. After sitting through over an hour of waffle late at night, interspersed with TheB33f's trolling (thank goodness someone was able to have fun), which was supposed to be Russ desperately trying to convince us to stay after Blockpirat's video, I made the decision to leave. They dismissed So1ahma's well-thought-out suggestion (which was much better than the garbage the entire PGI team came up with after months of working full-time on it) on the grounds it promoted boating, even though it was clearly explained in his post how it didn't (thereby revealing they'd only glanced at it), and they even had the nerve to claim they'd spent hours looking at it and discussing it in detail. They largely ignored people who pointed this out, but eventually paused mid- waffle to tell us that we were wrong (who needs justification anyway?) They insulted their players (or 'customers' as PGI prefers to call them) and, deeply smugly, said 'change is difficult for them', a classic bullshit argument to avoid constructive criticism (and like so many things, PGI weren't able to come up with it in their own). They lied about locust agility quirks, something anyone could look up and which has massively nerfed locusts in the last 2 iterations of the PTS (about -50% acceleration/deceleration for the 1V), and something which I have been loudly wailing about on r/OutreachHPG for ages, yet locusts would still turn like unquirked 40-Yonkers of someone hadn't asked Kanajashi to mention it. This was in the stream were Russ was supposed to be making broad concessions to get people to stay/ come back, yet instead he attempts to use the age-old trick of gaslighting to convince us, using a minor C-Bill reduction as bait. So me quitting isn't because I think I won't enjoy the game; it's because I don't want to be anywhere near devs who engage in manipulative speech and behaviours and misinformation Stalin would have been proud of. It's me doing my bit to help PGI go bust (which is inevitable anyway), for the greater good. I sincerely hope some more reputable game company come and fill the void left by MWO; after all we do so love what this game could have been. RIP in peace, MWO. #neverforget

[@farlek8806]

For god's sake autocorrect... 'Yonkers of' was meant to be 'Tonners if'.

[@pedroparsbr]

Any chance we can get some more Mechwarrior Living Legends content since you´re taking a break/quitting MWO ?

[@GrimAvenger93]

Pedropars PLEASE TUESDAY!?

[@RamrodAI]

TBH I won't really be affected much by this. Especially with the rebate. I've "only" mastered 38 mechs. And I only play like half of those. Not to brag but I've got a bajillion modules and will have about 260 million cbills right before the patch. So I'm going to be running mastered mechs right off the bat. I just don't like the tree itself. But it's not going to deter me from playing. I can completely understand the frustration had by many though. Because many people don't have 100-200 modules.

[@brett76544]

As a politician, I see Russ needing to be more non-committal and never verify anything. He is suffering from foot in mouth thought. When you come back, break out the spider with two TAGs. Someone or more may be running LRMs, but you may not make as much as you did in the past. With all the modules I got, hell I will be mastering about 30 more mechs, still I know a few people that will only be mastering half the number of mechs that they have mastered now. I see I was not the only one running an unmastered mech in the PTS.

[@sd501st5]

I can almost see the staff at Catalyst Game Labs(owners and publishers of the Battletech franchise who are working together with PGI to some extent) collectively facepalm over such a monumental PR SNAFU. Hell, Harebrained Schemes and especially Mitch Gitelman(lead Dev of the old MechCommander PC) are probably laughing their butts off... they are, after all, bringing out a new Battletech game, simply called Battletech, which is very similar to MechCommander, only turn based. The more people, especially actual Battletech diehards, leave MWO behind, the more people will probably look and invest into their game to get their Battletech fix. I, meanwhile, will miss my Mad Dog and Kodiak... but I have absolutely no intention of playing MWO ever again, not with this disaster of a skilltree. I like my varied loadouts and hate being forced into specialising my mech into one or 2 weapons if I don't want to run around in a heavily gimped Mech. No thanks Russ, and fuck you too!

[@sorbicsagor5080]

I agree with a good bit of what was said but the bit about the community having to scream to stop X, Y and Z is assumptive. Most people reacted like adults and gave feedback without threatening to quit and or screaming about the injustice of it all. We have nothing to back up the assertion that they wouldn't have made said changes based off of simple feedback. Which I might ad is what a company should do. Come up with idea, sink considerable time/effort/money into said idea and then present it. Listen to feedback and adjust. To bitch about them adjusting things/dropping plans they had already sunk a lot of effort into just comes from a place of frustration. And of course some of the changes came near the last moment. Most companies don't just scrap something based off of early criticism/whining. Esp if they think it's a good idea. But if they listen in the end...

[@GeardoGaming]

Congrats Tuesday, you made it to K-Town! mwomercs.com/forums/topic/246936-congrats-russ-and-paul/ I have left before twice, once spending more time on a Beta that died and the longer second time recently back in April 2016 until November 2016. Skill Tree may add to the list why I left and would leave again though not #1 reason. I even got a refund on my Kodiak purchase and despite what people say about the Kodiak-3 I do not regret dumping the purchase, I think the Kodiak-3 is overhyped anyway. I am also waiting for HBS BT. I recently bought MoO Collector's and have more fun playing that than MWO.

[@DrFruitsaladPhd]

I stopped playing over a year ago. Actually I'm not sure how long ago it was. I liked the core gameplay as everyone does but I felt there was too much bullshit. I kept up with the game and stayed subscribed to outreach to naively await the day the game got fixed I think the skill tree has solidified for me that that day will never come. Guess I'm out for good

[@-tr0n]

i'm in the same boat. i never played a TON but i did enjoy while i played. i felt that LRM spam, boats and maps were holding the game back. never felt the desire to play again unless things changed a bit. now am just going to uninstall.

[@Midicow]

I feel like if someone made a similar mod to Living Legends on the unreal 4 engine and let it be open source then it might have a modicum of success.

[@dr3adfulr3aper44]

I feel like this is a good change, a change that needed to be done...the old Skill tree was boring and tasteless, and gave no reason to care. It was bland. The last part they needed to fix was the skill tree....But I do agree on your part that they could have transitioned A LOT FUCKING BETTER....and we could maybe just get free full skill upgrades for mechs we already mastered...but I do believe this is for the betterment of the game in the long haul...but if people leave...it is totally understandable...but I have some mechs to grind...which I do not mind doing tbh. I get to go through all the mechs I bought and I get to re-level them, and have fun with them. Try new things on them, and see how effective they are under this new system....I mean, am I the only one not complaining about HAVING to play the game.....Like, playing the game is what it is meant for....and also as well, now I do not have to buy 3 variants to master a mech, I can spend time on the mech I bought the chassis for in the first place.....but I do agree, us whales get fucked up....but whatever. See you soon Tuesday. :)

[@Rocksaplenty]

the upgrades should have only cost xp.

[@dr3adfulr3aper44]

Well something has to replace the Module cbill cost...its expected entirely.

[@seisont]

So you've probably found out about historic SP now, right? It means that any 'mech that was mastered previously retains all of the 91 SP necessary to master it.

[@qawamity]

Good gawds, and I thought I rambled.

[@dagonneo1232]

I know you are considering other Battletech games to play at the moment (at this point I can't see anything else you have mentioned aside from the one on kickstarter) but I'm quite curious if you are going to start branching out to other titles too? I would HATE to see that title not be quite what you expected, surely you have to have something else you can play... Right? The last thing I wanna watch is the death of this channel, I find most of the videos you post to either be informative or, erm, meme-worthy. Looking forward towards (hopefully) more content soon. Cheers

[@StarGundam007]

My fear with the skill tree is what will it do to the ever so fragile IS vs Clans balance. From what i hear the skill tree takes a sledge hammer to that balance.

[@NoNo-xy3mi]

i mean they will fix it eventually in a few months... or years

[@kmieciu4ever]

maybe they plan to balance it out with the new IS tech (another cbill sink)

[@rpscorp9457]

All this ^ Russ being a complete moron while conversely being an entitled prick didnt help matters. I think he mentored under Bill Roper.

[@NerdySatyr]

I am not even remotely surprised.. but hey, they already have my money so what do they care? x_x

[@revengexmoon2087]

Mechs don't have skills. Mechwarriors do. This is a massive nerf, to grab $$$ for mechwarrior merc 5.

[@EdsEnemy]

Where do YOU go from here? What vidya are you looking at next?

[@CallanPage]

Now that the skill tree is being delayed for more development and the recent announcement of the new Civil War pack, does it make you feel any differently?

[@petersheridan7596]

im one of those people sad to say

[@theguywiththename888]

Have you heard of our lord and savior, Mechwarrior Living Legends?

[@Sanguinarius9999]

BETTER SONG AT THE END THAN ANYTHING PAUL WILL EVER COMPOSE! Why I will never spend money on this game is the number of game breaking bugs they call features and wont even achknowledge the existance of in their patch announcements / anywhere else on their forums. I will actually be able to afford 12 new 18 million cbill mechs on my Clan Account after this change, will only be xp blocked on a few. My IS account will break just above even and be XP blocked on a few more than the Clan account (but I am an ocd stay at home father who plays waaaay too much and I understand where the whales are coming from, pgi are fkn idiots.) Having said I can see the whales problem, and I support them not spending more money on this game because PGI dont deserve it. I must say, for those with 300+ mechs, try to think of SPtree like all those mechs you have without engines and without modules that you NEVER PLAY, Sell them off for christ sake and level the ones you actually want to play 1st. Only leave the game if you think you might spend more money on more mechpacks if you stay, otherwise stay and get some of your money back in trying something new on a few of your favourite mechs. uninstalling is just shooting yourself in the foot unless you dont trust yourself not to buy more MC/mechpacks. When 3.1 launched and our mechs got stuck in matches so we couldn't play for MANY hours Russ achknowledges theres a problem after a few hours on TWITTER, then a few minutes later tweets, "cyclops new pre-order mech pack coming soon!" before tweeting us "they're uncovering the issue and working on a fix" That and things like the dropdeck mech select bug causing you to relog, the new 4.0 dropships breaking your legs bug and many otherbugs they refuse to achknowledge let alone address is why I hope they run out of money before they can make mw5 and have to sell it and let someone else (hopefully like Blizzard) make it instead and why I wont spend money on this ALPHA PHASE after 6 years product. Tuesday your Frozen parody cover will be hard for anyone on the internet to ever beat for me, You released it at a dark time in my life and shone some light into the darkness for me, for that I will always be thankful and greatful you are my favourite MWO celebrity Theb33f being a close 2nd. Thankyou for your attempts to smack some sense into the idiots in charge of a product we love. It gets a little lonely All these empty queues, just watching the hours tick byyyyy

[@Pootydanglesore]

Sorry to see you go. but if you are leaving for sure, take juju with you. I don't want that idiot crawling back and backpedaling now that a new mech pack is out.

[@FantasticTuesday]

+Rider Mead Don't worry I'm his sponsor at Mechwarriors Anonymous.

[@FantasticTuesday]

+Rider Mead Don't worry I'm his sponsor at Mechwarriors Anonymous.

[@gundamwarrior]

9+ months without playing MWO on my end. Kinda really starting to find less reason to come back. If this skill tree system goes live as is...yeah more reason for me to not go back. It would be great in a single player game to make your playthrough more unique and all, but in MWO...it just won't work honestly since the game changes with the meta and builds with each new mech release. The cost vs time is super inefficient, especially for those that have a ton of mechs. The idea though of only having to buy one mech now if you just want That one mech, thats great, less cbills spent in the long run, but on the other hand its looking quite frustrating because of the players who already exist over the years. I myself have like....80+ mechs bordering on 90? I honestly can't tell you how many I mastered fully. But as is I won't even have enough cbills to master no more than 10 of them most likely if I was to play with the changes to come.

[@koubra3147]

You should play more Age of Wonders 3 man is a great game i saw you have 122 hours in it. I have 300ish its a great game to relax play by email multiplayer is good too. As for MWO future will tell I hope we will enjoy it even with the new system

[@FantasticTuesday]

+Stelioschristos Koubrakis I do enjoy playing it. I really doubt I can make interesting content out of it. I'm boring as hell to watch play strategy.

[@Tiy0s]

That shitposting on Outreach was probably the best thing that's happened in a long time

[@RePlayBoy101]

the game became less tactical and more call of duty like ... i quit becouse of that

[@swish9017]

My interest in MWO has waned steadily since they announced the change and I think I'm right there with you. Maybe in a year when they fix all the broken crap it'll be worth playing again. Thanks for the content Tuesday.

[@ThePsicocat101]

well im staying seen of change since cb as cb tester so lets see what that bring 60+ mech all master so im fine

[@starbomber]

What if they removed all the armor/structure skills?

[@arsarma1808]

Pfft. Have you played warframe? "1 million registered losers" and "5000 mutagen samples is reasonable. HEY Hema sales are up."

[@paulthomas1585]

you just called us cheap skates. when you charge so much for nothing?

[@Ashmodai]

and the whole reason... cbill costs... just vanished by the non-implementation of the new system^^

[@Edder31]

J O X

[@vickerschieftain3950]

Sorry to see you go, I do like your M.W.O vids. I understand why you and other contributors are leaving, but I wish you guys had waited until it went live and it could be used 12 v 12 . Do I think it will make any difference, probably not, but I still think you should have stayed. I personally think the new tech is going to screw over the franchise far more than this latest disaster, which I think is the least worse of their attempts to change the game. Russ should seriously think about having his mouth surgically sealed, it would be better for everyone, including himself

[@vickerschieftain3950]

I don't really blame you for not waiting. I'd go as well, but I want to stay around to watch the train wreck.

[@KevinMurray242]

So...before skill tree, you had 25 Mastered mechs, and after you'll have 22(ish)...lol...big change eh?

[@DeathssynProductions]

You know, everything PGI tries to do, add, fix their game is always met with outrage, by a very vocal minority. I love this game. Not because it is perfect, not because it is the best slow paced, tactical, f2p shooter out there. World of Tanks and War Thunder are both "Smart man's Shooter's" int heir own respect. MWO, has big stompy mechs and an unprecidented level of customization with each mech. It offers a unique experience that I prefer. The player base more often than not knows what it is doing, they bitch and complain less. and gianty stompy mechs and they kinds of battles this game offers interest me. The maps suck, no one at PGI understands how to design a map, but everytime they try to learn and change the maps; they aren't met with constructive criticism, but volatile disdain. What do they learn? How do they grow? How does this behaviour give us, the life blood of MWO, the players, a better game. The shouting and protesting isn't about making a better game, but making you feel better about what you put into the game. If you are so insecure about what you put in, then don't play. If you play this game, and like it, i.e. spent lots of time and/or money into the game then, before you shout at PGI everytime they try to address what their game lacks and where it isn't as good as it could be, take a breathe and really think about what it means for the game, not your bottom line. This game will get better over time, but the community has to be open to drastic changes, and tenacious in the face of those changes. Look at world of tanks, its has been around for almost 7 years. They didn't even have a true physics system when the game released. It wasn't until like 6.0 that the invisible walls went away and you could actually ram tanks. It wasn't until 8.0 that you had true physics and momentum wasn't really implemented until the last 6 months, in the 9.0 versions. The community has no faith in PGI, despite the fact that for better or for worse, they have made a game that has lasted years and atm is still strong. It can bring in new players and honestly I see the skill tree system as better not worse for new players and here is the rub of it. A single node on the skill tree is an immediate and tangible bonus. Yes the difference between a fresh mech and a trained mech is huge, but unlike before where you needed an extra 12 million cbills on top of the cost of the mech just to play it decently, with the higher granularity, every few games you play that mech will have the xp and cbills to gain a few percents here and there. I have read many opinions and given them the grains of salt they deserve, but very few, even the level headed ones understand the complexity of a game like MWO. I hear things like getting rid of quirks will make bad mechs worse and good mechs better, but that isn't true. They are moving quirks into the hands of the player. Honestly, after 3-6 months of playing around with it, I think the Skill tree system alone will shake up the meta, at least as far as which mechs are preferred. IS mechs have better mobility than clan mechs. Clan mechs have better total weapon space. IS mechs might need a few baseline quirks to bring them in line with clan tech, but with the player able to choose which quirks their mech has, the player will get more out of that mech and it will generally perform better at all levels of play. For example, lets say you are good at sniping. PPC/Gauss/AC2/ER LL are all you like using. Mechs with high hardpoints, and lots of weapon space are the mechs you favor. Though there are mechs like that which have bad quirks for that play-style. If you could morph those quirks to fit the weapon systems you favor and the intangibles of that play-style, you now have 1 more mech that you can play well and enjoy playing. Even if that mech is shit in the "meta" if you do well in it and you enjoy it, it is a good mech. Right now, mechs are either really good or really bad, what the Skill tree does is bring more mechs toward the middle. Also if you look at the it, the mechs that beneift the least from the non-weapon quirks are 75-80 ton heavies. The mechs that need the least buffs to be competitive. All in all, there is ultimately only one way to know what will happen. The Skill tree is to large an overhaul and change to ever accurately predict anything. Some of those out there will be right, but if you throw enough shit at the wall some of it will stick. We must play it, vet it, test it, and use it and see where the meta is after the dust has settled. Where I see so many people going woe is me, I look at this as an opportunity for the game to improve, and many mechs that you don't see to become common place on the field.

[@conanthegamer]

I have two accounts. one is a legendary founder inner sphere account and the other is my my clan account. So I have playing this game since the closed beta. This is nothing new. Every time there is a change implemented, a small group of people will start saying that their never going to play the game again. I'm sure some of them will keep their word but I don't pay it no mind. The ones like me who are Battletech/MechWarrior fans will stick with it. The great thing about PGI, is that they listen to their customers... The bad thing about PGI, is THAT THEY LISTEN TO THEIR CUSTOMERS.

[@FantasticTuesday]

Vincent, you have your head in the sand. Those people have been steadily leaving. The game will still be running for the next few years but you'll just have to put up with even worse queue times than we currently have with our barely viable population count.

[@conanthegamer]

I see what's going on but the game is still going and yes it may come to an end someday (maybe soon). But they added 3rd person view, everyone was going to leave. When they reduced the c-bills awarded, everyone was going to leave. When they added weapons modules, everyone was going to leave. This is SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) whenever PGI makes a change to the game. I've been playing this game since 2012 and have seen it go through many changes, each one that supposedly would end the game and it has kept going. So I'll wait and see what happens. My gut feeling is that their going to do (like every other change in the game) the changes and then adjust them until they feel right.

[@MrRandyDandyAndy]

what happened to your house Tuesday? XD

[@FantasticTuesday]

I moved in to it. The poor house didn't deserve this.

[@MrRandyDandyAndy]

Will you/do you play MWLL?

[@MrRandyDandyAndy]

Oh XD I really enjoy content you make. I'm hoping you don't stop making videos cuz you have a great personality

[@iraqiwalker1436]

God speed, mate, and good luck with life.

[@FantasticTuesday]

I'm not vanishing yet! I'll be here for the HBS Battletech release.

[@Kayo4theWin]

I'm going to have a LOT of free mech bays after the sheet hits the fan on the 21st... $$$ lame duck mech's and keeping maybe one or two per chassis. I've given PGI way too much $$$$ at this point and yea, I guess i'm one of those cheapskates... Russ will be lucky if he ever sees another dollar out of me.

[@Mika_Returna_Enthusiast]

Skill tree cancelled indefinitely. WE DID IT REDDIT!

[@DarkonFullPower]

mwomercs.com/forums/topic/247030-skill-tree-status-update/page__view__findpost__p__5651900 It's not indefinite. But they are committed to fixing the biggest issues with the transition. The first post blatantly said that every mastered mech, regardless of modules, will remain fully mastered in the new version, no matter what they have to do to accomplish this.

[@Oppetsismiimsitsitc]

Just go play Overwatch like everybody else. It shits all over MWO, WoT, WH, etc.

[@Oppetsismiimsitsitc]

That would be true were MWO a true Mechwarrior game. You might want to look again, it's just another "arena shooter."

[@TRoNSnipersHD1]

Tuesday, I agree with you on many things but this is one I can not. I subbed to you because you were one of the few mwo youtubers out there and also one I enjoyed. since you're quitting the game I subbed to you for, you're just a regular youtuber I enjoy. sorry but I won't be subbed to you anymore. rip Tuesday. love you man

[@Mr-ni2wx]

so you are complaining about not wanting to grind 175 mechs that you had NO interest in playing anyway? they were just sitting there before skill tree, so why would you play them now? its a non argument. pgi was VERY generous with the refunds given. including TONS of MC for consumables they gave away as prizes. you speak of this as some huge weight on your heart , and hand wringing moment. its sooooo much hyperbole. get over yourself.

[@mattrg320]

cheapskate!!!

[@danamccarthy5514]

I honestly don't understand what all the complaints about needing to grind some again is about. Isn't something to work towards for your mechs a good thing?

[@jaxdown4328]

So strange that all of these weird quitting videos are coming out before the actual changes appear and they can be properly evaluated on the live server. Honestly the new system is going to be better for new players that the game desperately needs. I cringe every time I have to tell a new player that they have to buy the same mech 3 times, and then oh god trying to explain the module system. as for vet players we are used to this old system, we have forgotten how trash it was. The new system is far cheaper than fully specing out a mech (buying 3 mechs, then 3-4 modules) and you get more choice instead of just slapping on cool down, range, radar dep modules and calling it good. Anyway its game doesn't matter anyway.

[@FantasticTuesday]

It's not odd at all. At this point us quitters couldn't care less if PGI caves and doesn't push this to live. Their reputation is in tatters from this debacle and we are exhausted from trying to stop PGI playing with road traffic.

[@stonewall286]

yup

[@Mgg0001]

Jax Down you only have to buy a module 1 time. After you have what you want you don't sink cbills. With the new system you have to buy everything over each time. The new system is of little benefit to costs. And new players will be at a severe disadvantage. But ignorance is bliss I guess.

[@garylimrongwei2378]

Imagine you paid so much money for a game and invested so much time into it that the hours you spend is a 4-digit number. Then the devs come up with a new system that negates all of that. Thats why people are quitting

[@sorbicsagor5080]

Mgeez, I'm not happy that existing skilled mechs aren't getting steeply discounted skills. That said you're only looking at a small piece of the picture and expecting everyone else to do as you do. Not everyone wants just 1 module. For new players/new mechs the new system (monetarily) is fine and not having to buy 3 of each mech is a BIG advantage.

[@happilyendme3521]

Play MW4 :)

[@Rawsilver]

Alright. Bye.

[@matthewmclean836]

wanna know what i dont understand? Here's this community contributor of sorts, going on about how garbage a new system is blah blah blah. Thing is, and most people dont understand this, is that this is sort of a new beginning to MWO. A soft restart. Everyone has to remaster everything again, not that big of a deal. If you look at any other F2P game out there, the grind is very, VERY real, and yet no one complains about that. The skill tree 1.0, if you will, was very, VERY easy to grind out. That needed to change. First its not a sustainable business model, as it is a F2P game, income needs to be generated off of stuff like XP conversion, which, tbh, wasnt happening, because you only needed to play like 10-15 matches tops to elite out your mech. In a F2P game such as MWO, thats freaking gloriously little time. Playing other games like Warthunder, World of warships, hawken, etc, the grind takes hours and hours and hours and days and weeks for 1 vehicle. We all knew that this was coming, and if you didnt, well, ignorance is bliss as they say. New players wont mind this system at all, because if they've ever played a F2P game, they will be used to the grind. So they will be 100% ok with it, for the most part. Its the bitter vets that have a problem with it. They are all woe is me, i invested all this time and effort and im getting nothing back blah blah blah. Yeah, you arent getting a ton back. But thats not necessarily a bad thing. Mastering mechs is fun, and it makes playing mechs that you mastered and forgot about that much more interesting. And guess what, 3 months down the line you will be fine with it, totally oblivious to how things were in the past without seriously having to think about. Tbh wheres the challenge in having a super optimized mech in the first place? i rarely ever play meta unless im with a team, which isnt often. Totally naked mechs with no skills unlocked presents a challenge, and thats a good thing. Is the system perfect? Hell no. Can it be improved? Hell yes. Will they? Almost guaranteed. The skill tree needs to drop, then they can work out the kinks. The only thing that i think that PGI should do is cut the costs in half for all mechs that are mastered (im talking getting the extra module slot mastered). Thats it. I've been playing this game since closed beta. Ive invested just as much time, effort and money into this game as anyone else (3000$ canadian, which is like 2200 american) so i get how you feel. But instead of being a stuck up whiner, complaining about hours spent on the damn internet, im going to go into Skill Tree 2.0 with a positive attitude and enjoy the only fucking Battletech game we have. Its all we got. And besides, MWO will die, but it did its job. It got people interested. As long as MW5 is successful, you can bet your ass that we will get a much better multiplayer game within the next decade.

[@FantasticTuesday]

Prepare to be extremely disappointed. That's how I've felt every time I expected them to fix something at a later date.

[@rakgitarmen]

If you wanted to do a restart so badly, you could always make a new account and experience working at the Gulags. This change is taking away progress from the veterans. I really have a hard time understanding why on earth people losing so much with this skill tree so adamantly defend it. If it added extra content to look forward to, I'd be all over it. However when it takes away progress and forces me to redo stuff, then I have a problem with it. Yes, MWO's grind wasn't incredibly exploitative. That's actually what made me suggest it so much to my friends. Eliting didn't take a long time and the only real grind was getting the necessary amount of C-Bills. Which let's be honest, was pretty bad already if you weren't on perma-premium all the time. You probably bought too many 'Mechpacks with years worth of premium to remember how it was to grind C-Bills 150k-50k at a time to buy that Cataphract. This is all balanced by the sheer number of 'Mechs in this game. Especially on the IS side the variants all have a different flavor and in general, they're all attractive. The old system allowed you to collect 'Mechs in this way (and it made them significant money from MC sales) and it was totally fine. The new system puts way too much emphasis on focusing on a handful of 'Mechs and the rest is put behind a huge grind/paywall. It's impossible to enjoy the variety after the skill tree. It's all about focusing on best of the best. The game is pretty much financed by selling monthly 25$-70$'Mechpacks to the whales. Now PGI says it's not enough, I want to ramp up the XP and C-Bill grind to drive MC sales. You know, that's actually fine for me. If they want more funds for MW5, they can screw up the new players and milk whales as much as they want. I'm perfectly happy with my stable and I play enough to grind new stuff. However, they're also resetting my four years of progress along with it and offering nothing in return. THAT I have a problem with and that, everyone should have a problem with.

[@matthewmclean836]

Fair enough. I am also a bit miffed at the lost experience, but not enough to make me overly upset. I wonder if we pushed something like the first 91 nodes to be unlocked on previously mastered mechs were free/ massive discount. I think then the majority of people will be fine with it.

[@finalexamweekftw1099]

my issue with the skill tree is not so much for me. I take issue in the interest of the game itself like tuesday said it will be prohibitive for new players to jump in against longtime players in 30 percent stronger mechs. sure i only have maybe 20 mechs of which i play about 5 but i cannot master these with my current balence and i never bought any modules so i get no rebate. so me a vet from 2014 i cant even master 1 mech how can a new player hope to do anything? especually with trial mechs in which they cannot apply xp and have to face hugely powerful mastered mechs and they then have low dmg games to ruin their cadet bonus and force a prohibitive mountian to get over

[@thehuntsman19]

Especially for new players who don't look up games and just want to play their favorite mechs. Which most the time are not viable mechs, they will just get destroyed every match, won't know what modules to buy, be penalized for getting the wrong ones. This system is a nightmare for new players. It hurts the veterans sure, but they have money and knowledge to recover. What about the new people playing? Its just going to turn them off, people want to jump in and have fun, not get destroyed only to find out its because of a system that has them massively gimped. Its slowly turning more and more into pay to win. People who dont/cant play mwo 24/7 will suffer the most from this.

[@ABC21129]

i don't get the outrage over the cheapskate comment, he was clearly joking

[@FantasticTuesday]

+mcjagermech As I explained in the video, he's the president of a company, he's not drinking with his buddies. Worst of all it wasn't a good joke. Crimes against comedy are serious.

[@FantasticTuesday]

+mcjagermech As I explained in the video, he's the president of a company, he's not drinking with his buddies. Worst of all it wasn't a good joke. Crimes against comedy are serious.

[@ABC21129]

That's true,I agree that he should let the CM and PR team do their things, but on the other hand he didn't call the MWO community a bunch of greasy neckbeards or something like that.

[@FantasticTuesday]

+mcjagermech That wouldn't have been as bad. People would probably have just taken *that* as a bad joke. Being called a cheapskate by a man who you've kept in business for years is just downright shocking.

[@Livestick42]

Infotech was great. The minimap was fine. Energy Draw was fine. The new tree is fine. Stop whining. Don't like it? Fine. Leave. The game is better off without whiners who keep screaming every time PGI does something to improve the game.

[@FantasticTuesday]

+Livestick42 Rofl, OK.

[@nopenoperson9118]

2/10 got me to reply

[@1337blackmage]

Awe man....