Fatherland : Alternate History with a Point

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@feralhistorian 2 ай бұрын

CORRECTION: Somehow I put up a picture of Bormann when I was talking about Buhler. The error is entirely mine.

@John.McMillan 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for addressing this. An honest mistake.

@timp3931 2 ай бұрын

Do I get Brownie points for spotting it? Once I was accused of watching too much "secret lives of Nazis" on TV.

@flashgordon6670 2 ай бұрын

Hitler and Eva Braun escaped to Argentina. You can watch the docudrama film Greywolf and Mark Felton videos; Find the Fuhrer, if you don’t believe me. And Operation Market Garden was all a gigantic feint. To keep the German panzers locked into the Netherlands and stop them reinforcing the Siegfried line. If Market Garden was a success, the entire British army would’ve been destroyed, on the North German plain. Watch the video; History undone: If Market Garden succeeds the Germans win the battle of the Bulge. On the Times Radio History channel, if you don’t believe me.

@flashgordon6670 2 ай бұрын

See Tino Struckman Last Nazi Secrets Nuclear weapons.

@brucedamato2373 2 ай бұрын

Wow, I thought that was a picture of the wealthy industrialist from South America who found the last golden Wonka ticket before it was found out that he made a counterfeit ticket. Then Charlie bucket got the real last 5th golden ticket.

@walnzell9328 2 ай бұрын

Robert Harris was absolutely right. No one would've cared. Even ongoing genocides do not persuade nations to cease trade and cooperation. The machine keeps moving.

@scottyp1303 2 ай бұрын

What are the differences between Warsaw 1943 and present day Gaza?

@walnzell9328 2 ай бұрын

Just to be clear, I was not pointing out one particular genocide. I was referring to all ongoing genocides. Such as in: Sudan Myanmar Afghanistan Ukraine Pakistan China and many more. Not all of them are being performed in the exact same way. Some could be considered cultural genocide, as in not slaughtering an entire population, rather trying to destroy a culture to convert the populace to an occupiers culture. But others are in fact total annihilation.

@RedStarRogue Ай бұрын

That's true, but the US hasn't always been guilty of inaction. They exported alot of raw materials to Imperial Japan before completely cutting it off in response to Japan's atrocities in China, thus severely weakening Japans economy. They even demanded Japan get their troops out of China in the months leading up to Pearl Harbor. From the Cold War era to today though, yeah they don't care anymore.

@avvc21 Ай бұрын

@scottyp1303 they're identical. Neither have a genocide

@walnzell9328 Ай бұрын

@@avvc21 The Holocaust was in full swing in 1943. Just because the Warsaw Uprising hadn't happened yet doesn't mean Jews and Poles weren't being sent to camps. Unless you're arguing the Nazis did nothing wrong, in which case that's a whole other problem. Why would you even be here if that's the case? Just to say how much of an insufferable jerk you are?

@QuizmasterLaw 2 ай бұрын

I only saw the film. "little bastard called the gestapo"' Glad to see the book had some historic accuracy!

@tomconneely1361 2 ай бұрын

The book's portrayal of the son is so different to the movie. In both cases, the child is a victim of the system, but the book gives him no redemption of regret, but the satisfaction of his duty done and done well.

@johnclose2925 2 ай бұрын

Unfortunately children of socialist regimes are brainwashed at an early stage using the educational system to inform on their parents. If you watch the film "The death of Stalin" you see an example of it, followed by the father returning home after his release and the son looking ashamed for what he did. Many Hitler Youth were responsible for their parents death.

@MarcoMasseria 11 күн бұрын

Right! Cause that's in now way familiar to anything in the current United States. Right?

@historynerd2677 2 ай бұрын

US v nazi Cold War scenario is always so much more interesting then the man in the high castle scenario . TNO is my favorite version of this kind of world with its three way Cold War and warlord Russia

@victorkreig6089 2 ай бұрын

Man in the high castle was written by a man raised on propaganda and lies about what happened during the war and who was doing what Therefore the Saturday morning villian levels it gets to is going to be silly no matter how many liberties you take with it

@spartanalex9006 2 ай бұрын

Personally, I like TNO more as a silly version of such a timeline with a preference to Old TNO. I personally think that TWR did the concept better seriously and am currently taking my own stab at it in as a very early timeline and draft.

@maxwellgarner3445 2 ай бұрын

@spartanalex9006 i always thought that TNO was probably too drastically pessimistic, or at least riding full soviet propaganda about the regime, not that I think moderates would really survive in a fascist state, but there's not really a liberal faction, it's always "what can we do to be as consciously evil as possible instead of semi benign" Burgundy is a national death cult at least but there isn't, essentially, the reichs post office life experience

@ConsueloWubba 2 ай бұрын

The man in high castle stuff is just fluff. Borderline propaganda and lame. I agree, your scenario is much more intriguing.

@DAGDRUM53 2 ай бұрын

@@ConsueloWubba Couldn't agree more, High Castle is PKD at his worst.

@doublep1980 2 ай бұрын

The japanese manga/ anime Jin-Roh would be another interesting ''alternate history'' story, that features different security/police forces who are antagonizing each other. It's also set in the 1960's in a Japan that was taken over by their Nazi allies.

@ekurisona663 2 ай бұрын

you're the only other person I've ever heard mention jin-roh...🐺

@BrendanSchmelter 2 ай бұрын

I hardily 2nd this!!! The entire Kerberos Saga is fascinating.

@GrimFaceHunter 2 ай бұрын

@@ekurisona663 I wouldn't even know about Jin-Roh if there wasn't an amv with And one- panzermensch.

@victorkreig6089 2 ай бұрын

*NSDAP Nazi is an invented propaganda name not a name they gave themselves

@ognoders 2 ай бұрын

Japan was part of the allies in Jin-Roh

@drsuchomimus 2 ай бұрын

This isn’t too different from how the United States, UK and France rehabilitated Turkey in the wake of WWI. Once the Kemalist govement came to power and both sides came to a political agreement, any mention of the genocide of Ottoman Turkish minorities was basically gone until revived in the 1960’s.

@igorslocks 2 ай бұрын

Even now few are aware of the Armenian genocide. By this I mean they know, they've heard. But not 'aware'

@gumdeo 2 ай бұрын

@@igorslocks And even fewer are aware that a huge number of Greeks were also murdered...

@flashgordon6670 2 ай бұрын

@OscarDirlwood 2 ай бұрын

And Assyrians @@gumdeo

@corne1ius 2 ай бұрын

@@igorslocksThere is no Armenian genocide in real history. You probably know no more than what your Jewish puppet governments say. And you probably haven't read a book or a "real" document about the Armenian genocide. There is no Armenian genocide, but there is a Turkish genocide between 1911-1918. We lost more than 1 million civilians. Most of them killed by Armenians(500k-600k). Others is killed after Balkan Wars and after Greek invade on Anatolia.

@SpaceMonkey23101 2 ай бұрын

Your opening analysis on the place of WW2 in the creation of the modern world and the myth of Nazism as a 'singular evil' is spot on. I expect you will attract a lot of criticism over that, but well done for saying what many of us have been thinking for years.

@igorslocks 2 ай бұрын

What's as scary or even scarier is you can't discuss the possibility or you may face the possibility of jail in certain nations. That's more telling than any story does. Wise up people.

@TK421-53 2 ай бұрын

It is not a singular evil, look at Zionism, which is broadly accepted by the mainstream yet would not pass critical and objective scrutiny - yet here we are witnessing (and supporting) a modern banality of evil.

@johnwolf2829 2 ай бұрын

I would have prefered a Cold War with the nazis; just as this book shows the 3rd reich was too feeble a system to withstand the demands of peace-time. The 1960s was as far as they would have gone.

@cass7448 2 ай бұрын

@@igorslocks What do you mean?

@igorslocks 2 ай бұрын

@@cass7448 what I mean is that no matter how terrible the subject matter may be, banning legit discussion of it especially in nuance is a problem. As they say let the facts speak for themselves.

@adamlove3295 2 ай бұрын

This was the first Alternate History novel I ever read not written by an author named Turtledove or Forstchen. I was just entering my 20s at the time, and it was my introduction to a more realistic portrayal of amoral bureaucracies and the self-interest of populations. At the time, the open-ended nature of the ending left me a bit confused and deflated, but of course I now understand how much more realistic and sophisticated it was than the work of the other authors I'd enjoyed in my teens. As you say, HBO's adaptation was fine for what it was, a less sophisticated but still engaging story. To this day, though, I have to laugh at the fact that the screenwriters decided we needed to see Rutger Haur die in the rain. Again.

@hanng1242 2 ай бұрын

It was to hide his tears so as to symbolize the loss of the moments. Or something. The big problem with alt history fiction is that it tends to get worse the farther the timeline moves away from the history-altering event because the authors cannot help but assume that real history would reassert itself in a slightly different context. I think a good example of this is in Kim Stanley Robinson's "The Years of Rice and Salt." In his novel, Robinson has the Scientific Revolution start in Samarkand sometime in what would have been the 17th Century. However, Robinson never addresses the deliberate rejection of science by the Islamic world back around the 9th Century. I refer, of course, to the triumph of the Ash'arites over the Mu'tazilites and the persecution of the latter under the Abbasids - a rather conclusive epistemological closure, as real history demonstrates. In the West, the idea that natural physical laws exist because God is rational and so we can know God through His works, something that both the medieval Scholastics in the Latin West as well as their theological opponents in the Greek East nevertheless agreed upon, laid the philosophical foundation for science as theoretical discipline (as opposed to the preservation of knowledge acquired through trial-and-error for utilitarian reasons). A similar philosophical line of thought had arisen during the time of the Umayyads, but it was ultimately rejected as contrary to the idea of Allah's absolute sovereignty. The result was that Christendom could take the works of the Classical world and expand and build on such knowledge whereas the Umma, which has a head start on holding such works thanks to their conquests of the Hellenistic world, stagnated. Robinson only addresses this is a cursory way in a short chapter about some madrassas considering the scientific findings, with the assumption that the pro-science side won out, but Robinson does not even mention that such a debate had happened before nor acknowledge that his plot point would be a radical overturning of long-settled Islamic theology. The problem is not positing that such a reversal could happen in the Islamic world, but rather the failure to acknowledge that Islamic modes of thought were so different from our own during the relevant time that such a radical departure should require explanation (especially since in Robinson's novel Christendom is simply non-existent due to the Black Death, an empty Europe was colonized by Muslim settlers, and so there are no powerful European states with a technological advantage out there that might induce a civilization to rethink old assumptions). Turtledove falls into a similar trap as his post War Between the States world seems to develop along the same lines as the real world did even though the European powers watched our Civil War carefully and took lessons from it in developing their own military doctrines - lessons that that might have been quite different if the war had been won by the Confederacy through inspired generalship a year before the logistical and industrial advantages of the Union that actually won the war became apparent in the Western theatre, and which could very well have altered the way everything from the Franco-Prussian war to WWI would have been fought.

@williestyle35 2 ай бұрын

For me it was the opposite journey : _Fatherland_ was nearly the first serious "alternative history" I read as a young teenager. After a couple of real WWII history books from a "book of the month club" I found a specialty military history book club and got a couple of their selections of "alternative history", was not overly impressed. Then _Fatherland_ came along and was a little gateway to authors like Turtledove, who I did not fully appreciate until his "WorldWar" series. Now I just read the actual history and try to understand how something as "amoral" as Nazism could become appealing to a nation of people. Good point about the HBO series having Rutger Hauer* die in the rain, again.

@williestyle35 2 ай бұрын

@EdDantes-v8c 2 ай бұрын

Like the Turtledove books!

@understatedwalrus 2 ай бұрын

I couldn't help but snort at that death scene. It had to be on purpose.

@darktower0603 2 ай бұрын

You're one of my newest favorite channels. I've been going through your library over the last few weeks. I love your breakdowns, analysis and historical lessons. I really appreciate the work you do. Thanks!

@ManDuderGuy 2 ай бұрын

Bigtime.

@flashgordon6670 2 ай бұрын

@toby4700 2 ай бұрын

When I read Fatherland as a teenager one scene that oddly stuck with me was when March and his son were on a guided tour of the Reich's ridiculously big buildings and war memorials. The narration mentioned that the tour guide had to come into work with a cold that day. It mentions how she was clearly struggling to get her lines out with the proper flair and she even wipes her snotty nose on the sleeve of her uniform when she thinks no one is looking. It was such a weirdly normal moment, with this woman who probably had a couple of kids and bills to pay having to come in sick to a boring, tedious job she hated...which was showing off the Nazis's self important monuments.

@Orxbane Ай бұрын

Yes, the ideology that promoted health and family would force sick mothers to come into work. Brilliant takeaway and of course brilliant writing. I'm sure the ethnic German woman would be fearful of being sent to a camp because she needed to take a sick day. What utter hogwash. The whole narrative is so tiresome.

@fredflintlocks9445 19 күн бұрын

Theres a similar scene playing out on washington dc right now irl im sure

@jameskalevra1387 2 ай бұрын

Really appreciate you including the bit about ww2 being the foundational myth of the modern era. A book "return of the strong gods" goes into this quite well, but definitely isnt althist.

@gregmita 2 ай бұрын

I always thought the movie was far too optimistic in its ending. In the real world, Western journalists actively helped cover up the Holodomor and keep it out of the public consciousness. George Orwell himself thought that truth about the Ukrainian famine was a lost cause. A world more friendly to the Nazis would have done something similar.

@jorenvanderark3567 2 ай бұрын

Behind the bastards has two great podcast episodes on it. It's quite depressing but very interesting.

@flashgordon6670 2 ай бұрын

@MattS-j1g 2 ай бұрын

Wonder why ((western journalists)) would actively try to keep this truth from the public eye??

@BlueTyphoon2017 2 ай бұрын

⁠@@jorenvanderark3567do you know the names of the podcast episodes?

@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx 2 ай бұрын

That period has been effectively falsified in the public consciousness by so-called historians such as Robert Conquest or in Timothy Snyder's 'Bloodlands'. I recommend 'The Years of Hunger' (2004) by Wheatcroft & Davies: "We do not absolve Stalin from responsibility for the famine. His policies towards the peasants were ruthless and brutal. But the story which has emerged in this book is of a Soviet leadership which was struggling with a famine crisis which had been caused partly by their wrongheaded policies, but was unexpected and undesirable. The background to the famine is not simply that Soviet agricultural policies were derived from Bolshevik ideology, though ideology played its part. They were also shaped by the Russian pre-revolutionary past, the experiences of the civil war, the international situation, the intransigent circumstances of geography and the weather, and the modus operandi of the Soviet system as it was established under Stalin. They were formulated by men with little formal education and limited knowledge of agriculture. Above all, they were a consequence of the decision to industrialise the peasant country at breakneck speed."

@andreasl_fr2666 2 ай бұрын

I think people tend to forget tha NS Germany (and this goes for any society , past or present , that plays the role of ultimate villian in your society´s grand narrative) was a real place inhabited by real people , and the average person was more or less the same as you are.

@TotalFreedomTTT-pk9st 2 ай бұрын

Until the War - it was clean and proper - not especially censorious - Wars produce self fulfilling prophesy's of terrorism's and crimes and censorship - just as true in Britain and the United States - it was an unnecessary war

@Groffili 2 ай бұрын

The chilling thought about that is that most of the people who come to this conclusion stop at the "the average person was more or less the same as me"... and not realize "that means I'm just as bad as the average Nazi".

@Galvatronover 2 ай бұрын

@@Groffilimore like you could be just as bad as the average nazi given the right circumstance

@Orxbane Ай бұрын

They just led better lives before 1940, then we do now in our Weimar 2.0 dystopia.

@uncreativename9936 Ай бұрын

@@Groffili You're missing the point, you wouldn't say that about the average person in Stalin's Russia. I think another aspect people don't want to accept is that they're ultimately powerless in the direction of their country. They want to feel like they have some power therefore some responsibility, when in reality you're just along for the ride and didn't even get to chose the ride.

@paulsillanpaa8268 2 ай бұрын

Kind of reminds me of "V for Vendetta" (the graphic novel, not the movie), where one of the key characters is a police officer investigating the bombings carried out by 'V.' He serves the fascist government, and (at first) sees V as a dangerous terrorist & madman, but he's not a committed ideologue like a lot of the other government characters. More than that, he's old enough to remember what Britain was like before the war...

@flyboy152 Ай бұрын

The same character exists in the movie.

@DAGDRUM53 2 ай бұрын

I love the Fatherland novel. Identical in plot to Len Deighton's SS-GB published 14 years earlier the two books couldn't be farther apart. In both an English detective admired for his investigative prowess by the occupying Germans is asked to look into a crime but when it's discovered a Nazi committed the act the detective is told to back off. Neither one does.

@stepchicken3238 2 ай бұрын

A recurring theme. How far would you stick your neck out? Also appears in a sci-fi film, "Soylent Green:" Where, a Detective won't let go from finding out the story behind an industrialist's death.

@modelermark172 2 ай бұрын

I agree that the book was much better than the movie - mainly due to its "Hollywood Ending." One movie scene in particular was when Pili was looking at an American magazine (I think it was "Life" or "Look,") that his father had confiscated from Charlie McGuire, featuring an advertisement for the March of Dimes, and depicted a boy with crutches who had survived polio. Pili said he thought it was sad that the boy was in that condition, and asked in all innocence why the Americans simply didn't "put him to sleep" the way Germany would have done. Xavier March replies with a story about an angel that didn't really answer the question. In my opinion, this was a classic "missed opportunity" that the screenplay adaptation wasted. Thanks for your thoughtful analysis! No pressure, but I'm looking forward to your take on S. M. Stirling's "Peshawar Lancers" in the hopefully near future . . . . 196th Like.

@feralhistorian 2 ай бұрын

Peshawar Lancers is next up on my list of "things I've been meaning to read for 20+ years"

@zedfan4598 2 ай бұрын

@@feralhistorian Stirling again? How about all the Stirling books and series?

@williestyle35 2 ай бұрын

That scene in the book with Pili was so... well written and thought out. Aktion T4 (the "euthanasia" of mentally infirm and physically disabled persons in Nazi Germany) was one of the few "atrocities" to become "known" to the German public during its operation. That particular "murder program" was even "successfully" protested by church groups in public. Aktion T4 was shut down for a time due to that public pressure, before the Nazis hid it away and started again. Makes the scene in the _Fatherland_ all the more chillingly understandable, from a certain point of view. (Aktion T4 being "known" in quotation marks, because the concentration camps were known or knowable - there were literally dozens of camps, and dozens upon dozens of sub-camps, and "work projects", around many of Germany's main cities and industrial areas - even tho the main "killing centers" [vernichtungslager, in German] were almost exclusively in Poland and the East).

@user-nm9qd6bo6h 2 ай бұрын

@@williestyle35 Internment camps aren't automatically death camps, so it isn't surprising that they didn't protest over that. Proof being American internment camps for Japanese and Germans, Canadian internment camps of the same demographics. Did the population assume they were extermination facilities? No.

@_Dovar_ Ай бұрын

You can rarely find a video that's clearly a 10/10. That you can and want to watch fully, without fast-forwarding. A single piece of "content" good enough to warrant a subscription.

@danielrudolf5441 Ай бұрын

Fatherland is one of the best alternate history novels ever written. It's a meticulously researched book with a very plausible vision of how a post-WWII Nazi Germany might've been like. Unlike such drug-fueled sheer lunacies like The Man in the High Castle.

@taliakelly554 26 күн бұрын

it's just germany couldn't have won through conventional means, so it makes sense to make up some crazy magic, but it is very silly

@edgarhilbert4797 4 күн бұрын

@@taliakelly554 The most realistic magic is FDR joins the war in the side of Austrian Painter.

@taliakelly554 4 күн бұрын

@edgarhilbert4797 true, America had plans to ally with Germany if they won so it's not a stretch to think they'd all before

@edgarhilbert4797 4 күн бұрын

@@taliakelly554 I based my claim in the fact that FDR was an Austrian Painter's party sympathizer as he helped to cover up the true meaning of the party ideology praising a misstranslation of Mein Kampf, which hided the genocidal part. As well as helped the to avoid Jewish boycott to Austrian Painter's state.

@taliakelly554 4 күн бұрын

@edgarhilbert4797 oh my god wow

@alanpennie8013 Ай бұрын

*March is divorced and living alone with limited visitation rights*. Of course he is. He's a detective.

@chriscooper654 Ай бұрын

I also prefer the book's ending: March realizes he's won a personal victory, not somehow undone all the horrors he's just learned about.

@Supertroy1974 2 ай бұрын

Most folks are completely ok living in Omelas. So nothing happened. World War II being the creation myth of the modern world is interesting because it is both a literal Combat Myth, and a version of the Classic Combat myth where an old god is threatened by chaos monster, and a young upstart god goes to bat, kills the chaos monster and then builds the world out of the guts of the slain monster.

@Hugebull 2 ай бұрын

It changed the world in every way. As an example, because conflict what transformed from two opposing sides to good versus evil, partisanship and terrorism became an accepted form of fighting. While just generations before, during the Franco-Prussian War of 1870-71, such actions were despised by both sides and would immediately lead to summary execution no matter who caught you. Fun fact: Winston Churchill admits to being a war criminal with his actions in the Second Boer War. He was there as a war correspondent. But when his train was derailed and attacked, he took charge of the situation as he had been a Cavalry Officer in both India and Sudan. So, as a civilian and without a uniform, he took charge of the situation. He was captured, and while walking he subtly got rid of his pistol bullets to not be caught with a weapon. It was fully within the rights of the Boers to have him executed for this. But, considering the fact that he was the son of a well-respected Parliamentarian. And, the fact that he was a descendant of John Churchill, the First Duke of Marlborough, they let him live and placed him in a POW camp. From which, he was able to escape by train. Hid in a mine owned by an Englishman. And then got on another train and escaped to Portuguese Mozambique. Returning home as a national idol, and catapulted his political career. But with the Second World War, we started seeing the crimes of old become an accepted form of fighting. And we now see it as a crime that the Germans arrested and punished people who would have been seen as criminals just years prior. This has left us in a dark pickle. As we allowed, legitimized, and even hail terrorist activity. We saw a rise in just those activities. It is also problematic, because when you moralize your own position and your own actions. When you merge your views with virtue itself. True horrors emerge. You can now do anything against anyone because you are in the right, and they are in the wrong. When you make your enemy to be nothing but Orcs of Mordor, you can do anything you want against them. Because having the ability to justify any action, every action will be justified. And anyone who dares to voice their disapproval, is automatically seen as an Orc sympathizer.

@geraldfreibrun3041 2 ай бұрын

I don't know how I feel about Omelas as a take away type of story I get the feeling that sometimes the people who "walk-away" either fall off a cliff, step on a landmine, or even just create another omela

@BrianS1981 2 ай бұрын

@@Hugebull You're misunderstanding the history of war. There was a short period of c. 150 years where in Europe and the white colonies (and there alone) a version of limited war was practised*. This was as a reaction to the complete destruction of large parts of the HRE by the Thirty Years War. The wars of revolution destroyed all that, and despite the lies Victorian society told itself, they never came back. *Of course wars against non whites never became "civilised". Who cares what a bunch of savages think, especially when you have the guns and they do not.

@Hugebull 2 ай бұрын

@@BrianS1981 Your statement is objectively wrong. The War of the Spanish Succession was absolutely brutal. And this was only around 50 years after the 30 Years War. It was the first time in Europe we saw armies of 100 thousand men since Julius Caesar conquered Gaul. Large parts of Bavaria was burned. The struggle between Hungary and Austria was terrible. And the scale of warfare in the Low Countries was extreme. And of course there was the Great Turkish War 20 years before this. If you had gone to pre-colonial Africa or India, you would have held the same views as the Europeans of the day had.

@flashgordon6670 2 ай бұрын

@Z3sty_St4r 2 ай бұрын

Peace vs Justice is a very pertinent theme - in many domains. Would we risk WW3 and billions, to give justice for the Holocaust is a thought provoking idea, but even in current days, many conflicts (from Ukraine to Gaza) can be framed in similar ways. You can have one or the other, but not both.

@cameronwixcey9692 2 ай бұрын

Most pertinently, social justice for past crimes. Do we have reparations (both direct and affirmative action) and "justice" or "injustice" and peace? Both Justice and Injustice are in inverted commas because arguments can be made for either situation being just and unjust.

@Svevsky 2 ай бұрын

How is this even a question? Starting WW3 is evil for any reason. Especially for the sake of revenge. It would be like china starting WW3 to avenge the native americans.

@fabianherrmann6398 2 ай бұрын

In the book Starship Troopers there is a scene in OCS questioning if it is moral to resume a war over unreleased POWs or even just one POW held captive, even though dead and suffering would restart, and the guy might not be worthy or even die in the meantime. It would be more than justified is the consent in the class, but the written proof in symbolic logic that is given as assignment is sadly never mentioned again.

@flashgordon6670 2 ай бұрын

@donjuanmckenzie4897 2 ай бұрын

Justice implies there was sime wrong doing

@waterbears9874 2 ай бұрын

This channel may genuinely be one of my new favorites

@EdDantes-v8c 2 ай бұрын

Me too! Glad I discovered it.

@RogerBuffington 2 ай бұрын

One of the best "if the Germans won the war" novels out there. Engrossing and well-written, and probably about as realistic an alternate history scenario as can be had. The novel is really good and the HBO film is quite good as well, with superb music by Gary Chang.

@ianeichenlaub5084 2 ай бұрын

Yup. My thoughts exactly when i read it in the early 00s. I was studying German in college, had worked in the library, and the library had a lot of books written in nazi Germany, enough to freak out the Germans on campus. And all the journals, physically. An early edition of many dark books were just dusty things on a shelf. Freedom is nice

@jytte-hilden 2 ай бұрын

Enjoy it wihle it lasts ;)

@MatthewSereysothea-hf1js 2 ай бұрын

"Freedom is Nice" Yes it is, isn't it? Unless the orange Bloviator is Soundly and quite Overwhelmingly Thrashed in the election, these are, quite ironically, Our last days of the Freedom Our Ancestors fought and Died For... Please vote for the Lady and Her Friend, Please!

@stepchicken3238 2 ай бұрын

I was in Berlin in 1987 - the Wall was still up. I went to a 'flea market' held in an area with lots of old railway carriages used as market stalls. In amongst the old magazines was a nazi school book. I was interested in looking at it to see how one aspect of the system had worked, but the stall holder wouldn't sell it to me. "Then, who is it on sale for?" I asked. My German wasn't good enough to argue with his garbled excuses.

@behemothfan1990 2 ай бұрын

@@MatthewSereysothea-hf1js The Dems are creating a far more nightmarish reality currently. I cannot see it any other way, not a single person voted for Kamala during the primaries. She was the border tsar and it got far worse. The economy is much worse, and while the world shifts into an unstable, multipolar phase they fill the military and government departments with people whose only conviction is the new Marxism derived woke mind virus. Do not vote for the dems, please. You might not like Trump, indeed I disagree with some of his policies and rhetoric but he has surrounded himself with people of merit. Tulsi Gabbard, Vivek Ramaswami, RFK Jnr, Elon Musk to name just a couple. Who have the Dems got? Dick Cheney? Give me a fucking break. I'm not even American but even I can see what's happening.

@taliakelly554 26 күн бұрын

@@MatthewSereysothea-hf1js project 2025 is entirely about taking power away from congress and giving the president executive power, and trump is quoted saying there will never be anther election again. I don't think he really cares about freedom

@avus-kw2f213 2 ай бұрын

13:45 depends if I like the victim group or the perpetrator to be perfectly honest

@feralhistorian 2 ай бұрын

I think deep down that's everyone's answer, if they're being honest with themselves.

@techpriest6962 29 күн бұрын

@@feralhistorian I have to disagree in a sense, as the reason is far more simple. Humans are driven by self interest and fear, thus people will often only act when it is in their self interest to do so. Which is why every "cause" whether revolutionary or mundane is always painted in the self interest of a collective since the collective has the power or collective self interest to act on it. You almost never see altruistic causes gain traction, because at the end of the day causes that do not serve the individuals self interest will not incentivize them to act.

@andrewpytko4773 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for covering this. It is the book that got me to become a fan of alternate history.

@justagigilo1 Ай бұрын

Scathing commentary of the world as it is in the source material, "those who look and do not see"! Easily applicable to now as well. Subbed, as your commentary is spot on.

@rufust.firefly6352 2 ай бұрын

One of my favorite books. I love Harris, his Cicero books were great too. I think you nailed it in this video (you seem to in all your videos).

@ANGLORUSSIANCZ 2 ай бұрын

Not being one for fiction I picked up the hardback copy of Fatherland on its release purely because the cover caught my eye. The Brandenburg Gate flying a swastika and European Union flags. Then I opened to see a map of the Reich in 1964. I read,Ember reading Chapter One in the store.

@epiculo2 2 ай бұрын

@@ANGLORUSSIANCZ Not by chance, in the novel there is a European Union with the Ode to Joy as an anthem.

@williamlydon2554 2 ай бұрын

I think some of the best Alt-History stories are framed around the setting as opposed to solely about it. A world where Japan was victorious in the Pacific for example, feels more real when it's seen through the eyes of a Kyoto business man in a trip abroad vs a play by play of events

@3L_B4R7O 2 ай бұрын

12:57 *The following words fit very well with what is happening right now...*

@padawanmage71 2 ай бұрын

As a lover of alternate history, i remember reading the book and being unable to put it down. All the mistakes Hitler made in our timeline, he didn't in this one (he didn't initially invade the USSR, had the atom bomb made early and exploded on a V3 rocket just outside the states after Hiroshima was bombed as a warning to the US). Then the movie came out and it seemed ok...until that ending. IIRC, Joe P Kennedy was big antisemite and would not have been as affected as seen in the movie. Makes me almost wish a remake more faithful the book were made...

@stischer47 2 ай бұрын

Knowing the anti-Semitism prevalent in the US before and after the war, there would be those who think that the Nazis had the right idea. Most would just shrug their shoulders and move on.

@AndreLuis-gw5ox 2 ай бұрын

Patton literally said "we fought the wrong enemy" during his brief post war life

@Remington53 2 ай бұрын

@@AndreLuis-gw5ox To be fair, such a sentiment refers mostly to how the end of the war enabled Communist control of eastern Europe-the Iron Curtain and all that.

@thealaskanseparatist6786 2 ай бұрын

@Remington53 Most of the Communist pre Stalin Purge were of Jewish variety I honestly forget the percentage of bolshevik party members who were of Jewish percent but I would guess around 70%

@wesleystreet 2 ай бұрын

@@Remington53 It wasn't just the US though. The ruling British elites of Churchill's era weren't fond of Jews and many were openly hostile and antisemitic.

@wesleystreet 2 ай бұрын

@@thealaskanseparatist6786 Many Jews that the Red Army liberated from the camps in Eastern Europe - such as the parents of Norman Finkelstein - would not tolerate criticism of Stalin, despite the purges of Trotskyite Jews from the Communist Party during the '30s and in the government of the '50s. They never disputed that the purges happened but they placed having the Soviets literally save their lives as being more important than anything else Stalin had done.

@flyboy152 Ай бұрын

Building on your comment of the State taking over the family, one time March goes to drop his son at his ex-wife’s house. His son, his ex, and the ex’s boyfriend are all there, and all in a uniform of one sort or another. March’s bitter realization about how messed up his country is comes when he points out the dog is the only creature in the house not wearing a uniform.

@Cab00se90 20 күн бұрын

For all you lot talking about the banality of evil, read Han Fallada’s Alone in Berlin. It is a chillingly realistic depiction of what it was like to live under the Nazis and the character of the retired magistrate demonstrates the importance and ability to retain morals in the face of bloodthirsty fascists.

@TH3F4LC0Nx 2 ай бұрын

Oh yeah, I remember liking Fatherland quite a bit. Really good alternate history novel. I liked how true it played its story to the world it had constructed, even though I don't remember if we're ever told exactly how Germany won the war. And the ending was sort of reminiscent of For Whom the Bell Tolls.

@kirishima638 Ай бұрын

The greatest conceit of this book is that the SS - THE SS! - is relegated to a mere police force after the war, with uniformed SS officers plodding train stations and streets for petty criminals. In reality the SS was at the top of the hierarchy, certainly above the Gestapo. And Germany had its own dedicated police force.

@scottyp1303 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for saving me 2 hrs of watching the movie. I've always believed books are better than movies because you're the director/casting agent/photographer plus who knows how to scare or shock you better than yourself.

@_Dovar_ Ай бұрын

And the obvious Hollywood "influences", so to speak.

@terrified057t4 13 күн бұрын

Having read Fatherland for my Post-WWII English Lit class this semester, this is perfect.

@KarlSnow-z9j 2 ай бұрын

I remember watching this when it aired. Reminded me of the film adaptation of 'Gorky Park', with it's look behind the brutalist facade of an authoritarian state to see the very regular people that populate it. I thought of both films when the short-lived show 'Counterpart', set in contemporary Berlin, aired a few years back. Always wondered if that show was canned in 2019 due to it's prescience...featured a 'big flu' of unnamed origin.

@igorslocks 2 ай бұрын

🤔🤔🤔

@happinesstan Ай бұрын

I haven't seen either film, but I always thought the books were very similar.

@IronPiedmont 2 ай бұрын

Fatherland is one of my favorite books of all time, and its great to see it gain attention. In fact, it actually inspired my own writings.

@RealAugustusAutumn 28 күн бұрын

"WW2 was the creation story of the modern world, and myths need a good villain". It isn't often that you heard this level of clarity and wisdom on the internet. Very well said. Couple that with "somehow, in every conflict in history, the good guys won" and you'll be able to shock most semi-intellectuals out of their modernist trance.

@ww21943 2 ай бұрын

I stumbled across this movie on TV in the late 90s or early 2000’s. So middle/high school for me. I was obsessed with WW2 and watching documentaries. I was flipping through channels and I caught the beginning of the movie which plays out like a documentary. So I left it on thinking I was watching a legit documentary. All of a sudden the Allies failed on D-Day! It was a good movie and the way I stumbled on it made it even better.

@careypridgeon 2 ай бұрын

These ‘Hitler won the war’ alternate history stories tend not to interest me. I experienced how people view the same history in different ways when I was a child. It is likely the public wouldn’t have known about those camps if it weren’t for the embedded reporters, those were standard by then, but hadn’t been a proper thing until WW1, and a lot of their footage was staged. The Crimean war had some reporters, but not in the embedded sense. In Australia we knew a number of men who’d fought in WW2 and to them Churchill was a war criminal, I used to sit with them, and to hear them talk you’d think he’d executed australians personally. Then I came to the UK where the same man is a national hero, for pretty much the same reasons (being a ruthless S.O.B when the UK needed one) But, a Rutger Hauer movie I wasn’t aware existed, that I find interesting, the blu-ray has already been ordered. I’ll get the original Robert Harris book to compare them when I have some spare audible credits.

@victorkreig6089 2 ай бұрын

Churchill is the monster we were lied to about Hitler being The war ends and magically Dresden didn't happen The war ends and what he did to the Boers was never a thing The aussies knew what he did and that's why they hated him He was the definition of scum and the fact that in this modern era he's looked up to as someone to aspire to be is insane But that's what happens when information is curated

@feralhistorian 2 ай бұрын

What I found most interesting about the HBO adaptation was its portrayal of Berlin. It has all the oversized monuments, but it's still a real city with boring apartment blocks and public transit.

@careypridgeon 2 ай бұрын

@@feralhistorian The uniform thing you picked up on does indeed make little to no sense, there's no way they'd still be wearing uniforms from the early 40's still . I watch a lot of old movies, and in those you can see police uniforms changing in just twenty years. The UK Carry On comedy movie series are as much documentaries on how things were changing here as they were comedies, though this wasn't the intent.

@colonial6452 2 ай бұрын

I really enjoyed this novel, since much of it was set in my Berlin Dahlem neighborhood. I was assigned to the US Embassy Office there in the early 1990s. A fantastic mystery/fantasy with alternative history.

@GrainOnTheGo 2 ай бұрын

Fatherland was the first alt-hist I read as a kid and the ending always struck me as somber and sad. I wish we had more stories like this where it’s different in theory, but just as unfair as our world.

@SweetandFullofGrace 2 ай бұрын

The fact is that marketing "minds" have decided that most people dont want that. They need to have a happy ending, which is weird since well regarded books other entertainment dont always have that, they leave people with more questions which is good. I mean one of the top comics is Walking Dead, which is pretty damn brutal and shows the changes of people, beginning the show was great... later seasons not so much, kind of like GOT. But yeah the publishers and producers dont want to take the risks.

@mfisher1952 5 күн бұрын

Robert Harris wrote a brilliant alternate history - but one that resonates disturbingly well with ours. His reporter background gave him the skills to pull it off as a virtuoso.

@chaosgyro 2 ай бұрын

It's a good thought, because what virtue is there, really, in throwing living bodies onto the fire to honor dead ones? It reminds me of Gandalf in Lord of the rings, though reversed somewhat in its implications, "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."

@flashgordon6670 2 ай бұрын

Bc the bodies were irradiated from tactical nuke tests. See Tino Struckman Last Nazi Secrets Nuclear weapons.

@jenniferbrewer5370 Ай бұрын

Gandalf sounds like a Jedi.

@chaosgyro Ай бұрын

@jenniferbrewer5370 That feels like an insult to Gandalf 😄

@osvaldofranco9036 2 ай бұрын

I am part native American and African American decent in my genetic lineage, and I've said since I was a boy that if the Nazis had won, we would care about the holocaust as much as we do what was done to us, or the Armenians, or any other genocided people, little to nothing, and people would tell them to get over it!. I speak from experience!.

@feralhistorian 2 ай бұрын

I think you are absolutely right about that.

@TotalFreedomTTT-pk9st 2 ай бұрын

As an African American your populations have steadily grown decade after decade indicating no Biological duress - you might amend you sense of injustice - plus I would like evidence that White Europeans even owned slaves - all I've got my whole live is Hollywood movies written by confirmed slave owners

@flashgordon6670 2 ай бұрын

So was Jimi Hendrix, he was a quarter Cherokee or Chayane. Can you play guitar like him?

@flashgordon6670 2 ай бұрын

See Tino Struckman Last Nazi Secrets Nuclear weapons.

@osvaldofranco9036 2 ай бұрын

@flashgordon6670 Well, that's a mentally ill person question.

@fabianherrmann6398 2 ай бұрын

I did like the book. The scanario is likely enough to suspend disbelief and the message as a warning is solid. Nobody cares unless they have too!

@TheresaReichley 2 ай бұрын

I think what I took from the book (never even heard about the movie) is just how ordinary life under a Nazi state would be - unless you were a target or made yourself one. That’s how all the bad stuff happens, because life didn’t stop. The kids have school and homework and sports and you have a job and a family to care for, there are sports to follow, etc. it’s too easy for people to ignore the ugliest parts of the Nazis because they’re “busy” and life looks ordinary. And the other part is that we’ve constructed a cartoon version of fascism that actually enables it. We are taught by television shows and movies that fascism is constant parades and angry speeches and flags with symbols on them. We think it’s going to be open and obvious and the world stops. And so as long as our fascist government doesn’t look like our cartoons, it’s going to slip by and most people won’t notice or care.

@victorkreig6089 2 ай бұрын

Its a very weak portrayal but in the context of the author growing up under the great lie he did a pretty good job with the context he was forced to work with, and no internet at his disposal to boot @@TheresaReichley

@dagon99 2 ай бұрын

@victorkreig6089 he did fairly well

@TheresaReichley 2 ай бұрын

@@victorkreig6089 that’s the thing, he didn’t lie. We lied to ourselves about what these kinds of governments are like. If you watch any WW2 themed movies, Nazis were just nothing but parades and rallies and angry speeches and flags everywhere. In this version, life was barely noticeably worse. Life went on. Cops were busy with normal crimes. If you wanted to get involved you had to dig to find out about the ugly stuff they were doing.

@AeromaticXD 29 күн бұрын

@@TheresaReichleyOrwell put it great about how fascism would arrive in the UK “in a suit and tie”

@or_gluzman561Peace_IL_PS 2 ай бұрын

two things Feral Historian 1. this is very similar to how america overlook many japanese atrocities after ww2 for their corporation after the war against the USSR 2. did you ever heard of the HOI4 mod The New Order: Last Days of Europe and if you did what do you think on it's take on a three-way Cold War in the 60s between Nazi Germany and Einheitspakt to Empire of Japan and Co-Prosperity Sphere and finely the United States of America and Organization of Free Nations and how in this Scenario germany won the war but lost the peace and ended up with ruin economy and angry and unhappy german populous and also collapse into a civil war after hitler die

@victorkreig6089 2 ай бұрын

"Many Japanese atrocities" There really aren't that many, and a lot of them are blown out of proportion to hide away the fact that just as many Asian countries did the exact same thing and more often than not worse. The reason we so called "hand wave" is because the pacific war was literally our fault and we ended up murdering an insane amount of japanese as a result(along with lots of people in Asia dying who wouldn't have otherwise)

@Hugebull 2 ай бұрын

@@victorkreig6089 By "our fault", I assume you mean the United States. And if by Britain and America sinking their navies after World War One, then I would agree with you. But the Japanese invaded China entirely on their own. And if China was the only country making a big deal out of the events of war, then I would agree with you. But we do have South Korea. Who to this day still bring up what was done to them. And Japan is the only one to refuse to acknowledge it. The medical horrors of the Japanese during the war is on par with Mengele and his crew. Had Japan not have invaded China, they would not have been embargoed.

@MrLemonbaby 2 ай бұрын

I wonder what it would look like from a slightly higher altitude. Allow me to posit that the wars of the 20th Century were really one war i.e. The Long War: 1914-1991. The goal therein, on-off, wise and foolish, was to decide whether, going forward, the predominating form of government in the world would be parliamentary or authoritarian. This premise guided Allied decisions. The Soviets were the main instrument for the destruction of the German army; the Allies were forced to make accommodations. More, the US was facing an invasion of Japanese home islands, expectation being that it would double our casualties to date but we wanted as many of those number to be named Ivan as possible. Invasion was a forced issue. Remember that we never fought more than 50% of the Japanese army. There were a dozen commands occupying as many countries and millions of people, commands that had never known a single defeat. The end of hostilities without surrender of the Home Islands would have left the US with an unsolvable conundrum. Back to the discussion, as far as extracting some form of revenge for historic outrages I must say no or we will fall into something like the Balkans where nothing is ever forgotten and nothing is ever learned. But doesn't that sound like exactly what is happening now in Western Civ, competing tribes of grievance collectors?

@Hugebull 2 ай бұрын

@@MrLemonbaby The American victory of Japan was inevitable, and invasion of the mainland has been quite overblown. Japan is a small island with little resources. The Japanese fleet was gone. And the firebombings that the Americans were doing were more destructive than the Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Victory over Japan would have perhaps taken another year. But the suffering would have been on the Japanese side, as they would face a famine on a biblical scale. And so too would all their forces stationed outside of Japan. Yes, the way may have lasted to 1946. But every habitable area in Japan would be destroyed. There would be no food production and no industrial production. While around 70 million people would be facing catastrophic levels of famine. They went to war because of pride and pride alone. And while there are possible scenarios for a German victory on the continent, the fate of the Japanese was sealed the moment they went they war. Even if they captured India, Australia, and New Zealand. The American Navy would isolate islands, and eventually blockade the Japanese mainland completely, while bombers would reduce their sacred island to rubble.

@jester9217 2 ай бұрын

Ultimately it would come to political convenience, if the government can ignore p.o.w's being held and worked in Vietnam because the alternative would make the wrong people look bad a president who sold himself on being a peacemaker might just hand off the folder to the c.i.a and shake hands make peace and know they have another chip in the game of politics.

@knowshistory8740 Ай бұрын

I like how you pointed out the differences in the Ending between the book and the novel. Typically for Robert Harris, he leaves the fate of some characters in the end open. And we can't even be sure if Charlie makes it out of Germany. In the final scene, März imagines how she leaves the hotel, drives to the border post, how the soldiers listen the radio broadcast and how the wave her through. But don't know for sure. Since it all happens in März' imagination.

@mojrimibnharb4584 2 ай бұрын

The US "threat" advisory system is really brilliant, much better than the one in the novel. Having 5 levels rather than 4 it can be raised and lowered for effect without ever reading as low or severe.

@giladpellaeon1691 2 ай бұрын

I remember seeing this advertised on the cover the TV schedule booklet that used to come with the Sunday paper when I was a kid. Never saw it though. Makes me think a bit of Turtledove's later novel "In the Presence of Mine Enemies" which started as a short story about a secret Jewish family living in a triumphant globe bestriding Germany which grew into the novel involving the collapse of the regime in the style of the 1991 Soviet collapse.

@jamesdouglas6977 2 ай бұрын

Will be getting this book just to see how Nazi Germany survived WWII.

@phoenixzappa7366 2 ай бұрын

Don't bother

@jamesdouglas6977 2 ай бұрын

@@phoenixzappa7366 why? Explain.

@ProfessorPesca 2 ай бұрын

IIRC correctly you don’t really find that out. You’re just dropped in the middle of the 1960s and this guy’s investigation.

@fabianherrmann6398 2 ай бұрын

Spoiler: The book states that Operation Blau succeded in taking the Oilfields and cut off the Volga River, thus the Red Army ran out of fuel. Also the UK got starved out through Uboot warfare. Then the US dropped the bomb on Japan ending the pacific war but a V3-Rocket exploded over New York, showing the US that they could be hit if they came for Europe. The stalemate turned into a status quo.

@victorkreig6089 2 ай бұрын

@@fabianherrmann6398was the author aware that the Germans had their own little atom splitting project going as well? I also find it ironic that the Nagisaki bomb wiped out the japanese' own nuclear research that was arguably relatively close to a solution at the time of being turned to dust

@mikesarno7973 2 ай бұрын

Great analysis and summary. This video was just recommended to me today. Instant subscribe.

@TBone-bz9mp 2 ай бұрын

I would very much describe Fatherland as a portrayal of the evils of the banal. It’s not about how something as evil the Holocaust can by committed by someone so ordinary, but how the ordinary often can be so evil.

@LucasBenderChannel Ай бұрын

Fantastic video! Thank you for making it. 👏

@Martyn2021 2 ай бұрын

If you like alternate history I take a look at Len Deighton SS-GB it works along the same idea.

@lloydritchey 16 күн бұрын

I remember watching this on HBO when it came out--freaking fantastic. Perhaps Rutger's best performance ever.

@Churchmilitant67 2 ай бұрын

We've substituted the ending of the book with the reality of the Soviet Union and NOBODY being held to account for the millions of dead by the Soviet regime.

@flashgordon6670 2 ай бұрын

@boobah5643 2 ай бұрын

It seems unlikely the rump Soviet state did much about the Soviet atrocities in _Fatherland_ either. It does make one wonder how Mao's story turned out there.

@julkarcerum7618 2 ай бұрын

No one has been held to account for so many global genocides, period. Shit never changes.

@Churchmilitant67 2 ай бұрын

@@julkarcerum7618 then why all the Hitler and Holocaust hysteria? 🤔

@Churchmilitant67 2 ай бұрын

@@julkarcerum7618 Then why all the hysteria about a certain German political party? And the hysteria around the genocide of a certain ethnic group which we aren't even ALLOWED to mention? 🤔

@mustangmanmustangman4596 2 ай бұрын

Awesome job my friend! Have seen this material in a long time but, enjoyed it then and now!

@samuelreed1830 2 ай бұрын

1:39 The picture you show here is Martin Bormann, head of the party chancellery. Not whoever you said.

@samuelreed1830 2 ай бұрын

I can see when you look up Josef Buhler it comes up with this image. I have no idea why. Again, not Josef Buhler, but rather Martin Bormann. Different Nazi.

@feralhistorian 2 ай бұрын

You are correct. Careless error on my part.

@samuelreed1830 2 ай бұрын

@@feralhistorian Rest of the video makes up for it

@FulmenTheFinn 2 ай бұрын

A very good analysis. The ending of the movie adaptation always bothered me for the same reasons you described in the video: realistically evidence of the Holocaust coming out in the world of Fatherland would've made headlines for a few days or weeks, and then it would've fizzled out, and that's it. I haven't read the book, but you've given me inspiration to do so. You've earned a subscriber.

@Henchgirl7342 2 ай бұрын

This just might be my perspective as someone who was born after 2000. If Germany "won" ww2, would anyone *actually* care about the hall-of-cost ? I don't think so. Reason being- look at the Native American genocide, no one *actually* cares about it not even Native Americans who extist today. At best it's a fringe historical fixation or a political talking point when its convenient, but no one really cares that it happened. In the logic of this AltHis story, at best, it would be a rallying point for Slavic rebels, if anything.

@Hugebull 2 ай бұрын

You are entirely correct that nobody would care. Now about the Slavic peoples, it entirely depends. Many of the Southern Slavs were quite enthusiastic about working with the Germans. And we could easily see a situation where many would view themselves as sort of "Secondary Aryans". Similarly to how it was with the German and Scandinavian Lutherans who migrated to the Calvinistic United States in the early 1800s. They were not seen as full "WASP", but they were pretty close. And seen as brothers in comparison to the alien Catholics. With the Germans picking sides in the region, the various groups would hold differing views. The place isn't suited for any sort of German Lebensraum. And it would take a really long time filling Belarus and Ukraine. So the Slavic attitude would depend more on who sided with the Germans and who well on the wrong side. With the ones on the wrong side being... disappeared. While the victors becoming "Secondary Aryans".

@anncontois7762 2 ай бұрын

Max? In any case, we've just discovered your channel and are thoroughly enjoying it. Thank you

@feralhistorian 2 ай бұрын

I was thinking about Max just a couple days ago. I'm fairly sure it's going to come up down the line, in relation to a few other works.

@JasonKanigan 2 ай бұрын

Nice, I just re-watched this last week. Had the book when it came out. Like you, on this viewing I noticed that the uniforms really should have changed in three decades. But I let it pass as well.

@TheKulu42 2 ай бұрын

I have to agree with you. The idea that millions of Jews and others vanished and were likely killed would have been overlooked whilst the U.S. and the Greater German Reich talked detente because peace would benefit both sides. When the novel concludes, we're left wondering whether March's efforts will make any difference. I do like the fact that Harris doesn't go into detail about how Nazi German won the war in Europe. We're left to theorize. My theory is that Hitler didn't declare war on America after the attack on Pearl Harbor and/or the U.S. lost the Battle of Midway or Hawaii was invaded, forcing Roosevelt to focus America's efforts on the Pacific Theater.

@randycampbell6307 2 ай бұрын

I'm interested in our take on the "Co-Dominum" from the Pournelle alt-future?

@feralhistorian 2 ай бұрын

I plan a few takes on the CoDo. In fact I recorded the first just this morning.

@randycampbell6307 2 ай бұрын

@@feralhistorian Thanks. Been wanting to look at a possible "how" considering OTL the US and USSR were nowhere near "cordial" enough for it to happen :)

@Michaelfatman-xo7gv 2 ай бұрын

@@randycampbell6307 Always got a lack of resources vibe pushed them together.

@randycampbell6307 2 ай бұрын

@@Michaelfatman-xo7gv Suspect it's more related to not wanting to have to deal with anyone elses "shite". Given that they mainly seem to have frozen the world "political pole's" situation (in their favor no less) I'd highly suspect something much more than just being "a series of treaties" creating it. Kind of head-canon that it took some event that threatened the world and so they got together to face the threat but ensured they'd always be on top. ("MIT Saves the World" kind of thing)

@miskatonicrus 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the reminder of an excellent novel and for your perspective. Found your channel recently and enjoy the over thinking in the woods :)

@Julius_Hardware 2 ай бұрын

Excellent analysis as usual. The book is far better than the HBO, with the right ending. Its also a plain good read, its biggest fault being the all the inferior AH works it inspired. BTW is that a Stargate patch?

@feralhistorian 2 ай бұрын

Indeed.

@geraldfreibrun3041 2 ай бұрын

@@feralhistorian Do you think you could cover The New Order: Last Days of Europe? Its a cold-war strategy game based on the same premise.

@JasonParmenter 24 күн бұрын

I feel the armbands would be office wear but I don't think they would wear them out in the field either, the black uniform is mostly a mythology.

@Hugebull 2 ай бұрын

What a lot of writers and readers misunderstand, especially in the alternate history realm, is that actions and events are caused as a series of reactions. The United States has a big racial "thing". Some would immediately jump to the conclusion that this is the case because the United States is racist as an entity. But in reality, the United States has a long history of it, because it was the only Western country that had a large racial minority. So the United States has a history of segregation and race riots and the like. While countries like Denmark does not. The problem with something like Man in the High Castle, is that it pictures this eternal monolithic structure of evil incarnate. But this misses the fact that the first thing that would happen after the end of the war, is that babies are born with no connection to it. Then two decades later, they enter adulthood. And 50 years after the war, they are the dominant bulk of the population. So, generations and generations after a German victory in the Second World War, would start looking very different. Every pillar that made Nazism would be gone. The humiliation of the Treaty of Versailles would have been rectified. Germany is the hegemon of Eurasia. Bolshevism has been destroyed. And there are no more jews left on the continent. And as every pillar that made them possible are gone, so too the country and the culture would start to change. And with the inevitable death of the Fuhrer, things would have to change. Hitler, in the event of a German victory, would be seen as the greatest German that has ever lived. He chased the French out of the Rhineland. He simply plucked and annexed the ancient lands of Austria under Berlin. He made a laughing stock out of the Democracies by first grabbing the Sudetenland, and then just taking all of Bohemia. And then, in Fatherland, he launched his army and defeated the Soviet army on every front, capturing the three cities of Leningrad, Stalingrad, and Moscow. Making the Ural Mountains not only the border of Europe, but the border of Germany. He would have been seen as a divine figure. Much more than the cult of personality of Stalin and Mao. So as long as he still lives, the system and the culture would be held in place. But, with the inevitability of time, he would die. And the eternal problem of succession in an Autocratic system presents itself. If, as in Fatherland, he lives to reach advanced age. Then there are none of his war years who could take over. Which means you need someone who never saw the war to take over. Which presents much the same problems as when Oliver Cromwell passed away in England. His death would cause the last pillar of Nazism to crumble. And the system would have to Democratize. Not go full Social Democracy with Universal Suffrage, no. But a process of Democratization would inevitably occur. ------- Now, for the United States in Fatherland. As well as what would happen if the papers were to be released to the world. First, just as the Second World War shaped the United States. So too, when altering the War, it would alter the United States. And Greater Germany would be doing the same things that the Soviet Union did during the Cold War. Secret funding of Universities. Interacting and meddling with various groups in society. Etc etc. While also, the political divide of the United States would be heavily affected. As the "Left" and "Right" only became a thing after WW2. So, how would the political landscape of the United States look after a German victory in Europe? The isolationist Republicans would probably have a big air of "I told you so". While New Deal Democrats would probably shatter. Truman becoming this humiliating figure. And also, this would obviously give great vigor to American Nazis. People like Charles Lindbergh would probably have a very different trajectory in this timeline. As well as many others. And the Klan would become a very different organization. But you still have the Leftists. You will have Academic refugees from Russia taking shelter in the United States. And Joseph McCarthy would still be hunting Communists, but also hunting Nazis as well. With the United States being a "First Past the Post" system, this means you will inevitably have two great coalitions within the political system. Which dictates in this situation. Segregation was still in place and vitally important to the Democratic Party. But with the fall of Truman and New Dealers, while also having a surge of American Nazis, it becomes very difficult to pin and point every political faction into which side they would be in. The entire political system would have to reshuffle, as has happened multiple times. But what it inevitable, is that some form of "Right" and "Left" would naturally develop. So, what would happen if the Holocaust was revealed to the world? The two different sides would react differently, according to their view of the Cold War and their view of Germany. One side would condemn it, while the other side would brush it aside. With the brushers aside, a faction within would most likely outright deny it as pure radical fantasy. It would be a political tool for quite some time. Some Ronald Reagan character would perhaps enter the stage at some point, and he would make a big deal out of it. But then you would also have a Jimmy Carter character who would go soft. But then again, these two were heavily affected by the specific situation in the Soviet Union. It's easy to be bullish against a falling Soviet Union. And there probably would not be food shortages in Greater Germany as there was in the Soviet Union during Carter. As much of the Cold War was pretty split in our timeline, it would obviously be split in the Fatherland timeline as well. But instead of having Soviet and Chinese funding and social infiltration, we would have Nazi Germany. Which would completely upend and change the development of the United States. The history of Hippies and the history of Desegregation would be completely changed. How exactly is difficult to say. We have to remember the chain of reactions. Perhaps America would be more Liberal as a reaction to Nazis. Or perhaps far less Liberal, instead taking on characteristics of the enemy. And for the rest of the world, events such as Decolonization would be completely changed in a most fundamental way. With countries like South Africa having a completely different reality in this post-ww2 scenario. As there would be nobody to push for the end of Apartheid, the whole region would be forever altered.

@Hugebull 2 ай бұрын

In addition to my comment. Just as the Soviet Union funded and organized Leftist movements in the United States during the Cold War. And just as how in Fatherland the United States would be funding resistance movements and opposing groups. Germany would obviously be funding the Klan and White Identity movements. But they would also be funding many of the same groups that the Soviet Union was funding. Purely for the sake of causing chaos within their Cold War enemy. So, in a Fatherland scenario, I do believe that internal violence in the United States would be higher than how it was in real life. Simply because of instead of having two groups, the Federal Government on one side and the broad Civil Rights Movement on the other. You would still have those two, but you would also have a far more well-funded well-organized White Identity Groups thrown into the mix.

@feralhistorian 2 ай бұрын

I’ve said before that a 1980s Nazi Germany would probably be known for budget deficits and vague apologies. I agree that some degree of liberalization would occur in a post-Hitler Nazi Germany, but I’m not convinced it would involve democratization. Partly because there was an ideological rejection of any sort of parliamentary process with the whole concept tied to a top-down Fuhrerprinzip, as opposed to the Soviet Union for example where the idea of equality and collective decision-making was woven into the ideology even if not in practice. Any sort of real democratic reform would have been a longer trip for the Nazis. And they had a lot of aggressive fiefdoms with overlapping authority. If any one of them relaxed, another would just gobble up some of its turf. It structurally discourages any move toward openness or democratic reform. And of course today we can see a steady de-democratization in the US and Europe. Or rather a faux-democracy where the forms are maintained but the substance of actual rule by the people is absent. Candidates are chosen by political/economic cabals with their own interests and messaging is largely controlled through them, maintaining the appearance of a democratic process as cover for a much more top-down, unaccountable state managerial class that actually runs things regardless of who is elected. Economic and foreign policy stays more or less constant, with the democratic action being over a select range of domestic issues. While the show has to be maintained in the US and Europe today, the Nazis wouldn’t need to prop up a democratic facade. They never pretended it was important. They’d probably have to establish a succession process and likely reduce the Fuhrer’s power through something like a central committee, but I see a lot of resistance to going any further than that. What I would expect is a move away from the open militarism of the 1930s-40s toward something more like the post-war US, with a massive military-industrial-complex but most of the actual offensive moves being through coups and proxy wars. I doubt that American political alignments would change that much since we were already locked into becoming a more top-down national-security state by the end of the war, I’d expect the details of the 1960s to play out differently but the overall themes of youth rebelling against the war machine (wherever the war happened to be) and a related civil rights movement to be similar. I do think you’re absolutely right about Africa being drastically different. I could absolutely see both apartheid South Africa and Rhodesia not only surviving but being trading partners with Germany. Not only would Germany be likely to at the very least openly trade fuel and arms with them simply on the ideologically baked-in racial grounds, but without a Soviet Bloc backing the guerrillas the balance would be heavily tilted in favor of the white governments. There’s also some possibilities for China turning out much differently. Germany aiding Japan if they stay in the war, or if they’re out then Chiang’s nationalists have options to ask for aid from either Germany or the US against the communists, while Mao would be denied an outside backer. Some version of the modern world but with a major European colonial power bloc still in southern Africa and China that’s more like a big Taiwan than the PRC starts to see some major divergence regardless of what Germany and America do.

@Hugebull 2 ай бұрын

@@feralhistorian On China, I think China would be largely the same. But with different colors. When Taiwan was established, it was not exactly what we would consider anything like a liberal society. Just like South Korea, they naturally stayed in their more natural autocratic ways. China either breaks apart into warring warlord states, or it is united by an overly autocratic central imperial center. When I say Democratization, I mean a very limited process of people on the top having a say. More like early America, where only a couple percent of the population could vote. The problem is that in a geography like Germany, wealth and power is going to be spread around. A natural Middle Class exists. And levels of representation would naturally develop. Just as it did. Nobody would call the German Empire under the Kaiser democratic. Yet, it did develop democratic institutions. Not at all any sort of broad system. But a highly limited elitist form of government. The Soviet Union followed the Russian way of doing things because it existed within the same geography. With the same realities and the same problems. Germany is very different. Just as you had an Autocratic Kaiser with the final say and was the one to appoint the Prime Minister, so too you can retain the position of Fuhrer, but with a Parliamentarian system where issues can be addressed, is a natural thing to implement. Even if only top party men, industrialists, military officers, and certain skilled professionals, have the right to actually vote. Just as the Western and Central European Monarchs saw the natural growth of Parliaments during their time. On the other side, having a Parliamentary system allows the people to blow off steam. When every issue is either militarily stamped down or enacted by marching in the street with a general strike... It's just not very efficient. While even limited Democratic systems, does a great deal of societal soothing. And, voting grants a level of legitimacy that "Royal blood" can't do anymore. Even if you have a highly limited system of suffrage, like the election of George Washington. Or are more manufactured theatre like now. It legitimizes in a way that the following top-men would need in a broadly wealthy system of central Europe would need for the system to endure. Germany is not a land of serfs living on rocky soil in a terrible climate. The way I see it, is that the position of Fuhrer, where the Fuhrer is all completely supreme as it was under Hitler, was always going to be a temporary thing. Even if by temporary I mean decades and decades. But a more natural equilibrium, I do think, would naturally occur.

@TotalFreedomTTT-pk9st 2 ай бұрын

@@feralhistorian Hitler does remark that the authoritarian aspect of National Socialism would resolve and was an 'emergency' measure - if German's are left alone and don't allow their do gooder's to meddle they are super pluralistic since they are the alpha technologists amongst all White Europeans - and as to South Africa - again - Apartheid means apartness - the problem was allowing Dutch and English farmers and industry to employ 'other's that invariably are trojan horses - you've got to 'pick your own cotton' - very simple - look up Orania South Africa

@_Dovar_ Ай бұрын

It's a progressivist dogma to believe in inevitability of democracy. It's a historical aberration. It's pushed by corporate-financial cartels and bureaucratic-managerial class. A victorious militarist nation (which clearly knew about this insidious agenda), would never allow this to take place. Similar how China resisted it in the 1990s.

@BadWebDiver Ай бұрын

I remember reading this novel and loving it! Saw the movie, and though there were a few changes, it was still quite enjoyable.

@thomaslamb8635 2 ай бұрын

This question you posed, “how far would you be willing to go, in pursuit of justice for people long dead”, reminds me of something I learned years ago. Specifically, the visceral gut punch I received when I learned of the bombing of Dresden. That American and British bombers took part in it. This wasn’t something that was ever covered in school. Nothing even came close. I felt ashamed. Betrayed, almost. This, and several other events during WWII, sent me down a rabbit hole. I thought we were the “good guys”. How could we take part in something so horrible? I’ve learned so much more outside of school, about historical events and such, than I ever did inside. Doing my own research or by watching videos on KZbin and other sources. From creators like yourself. Your channel, and a few others, are like finding a breath of fresh air in a world clogged with dust and smoke. A few of them were booted into obscurity over the years. I may not have agreed with their assessments, but boy did they make me rethink things. The truth is a bitter pill to swallow.

@igorslocks 2 ай бұрын

Yes what you said is very true. In HS I had an English teacher (1 of the maybe 3/4 teachers/prof that taught me how to actually learn in all of HS& College. Likely no accident 75% of them were Literature teachers)who was also head of the English department of the entire school & thus determined curriculum. Every student from honors to remedial read Slaughterhouse Five. The decision to include that book has produced an untold number of illuminating points in the darkness. I read that book my Sophomore year in HS all the way back in 1990(fuck I'm old now,damnit!) and I literally wept. And then I saw The Greatest Story Never Told. I have relatives who were in WW2 & had heard stories about how most of the Allied soldiers thought the Russians were the real enemy so I was prepared for some things. But not seeing Women literally crucified. Watching that movie you think there is no fucking way there can be any more wars or conflicts. This was so bad you couldn't not learn. But... And as we correspond we truly sit at the closest point to a WW3 there has ever been. I don't know what can be said after that. Be safe and God Bless 🐕

@mysticfire7675 2 ай бұрын

Dresden really wasn't anything special the Allies had been attacking civilian targets for most the war and burnt down multiple other cities the firebombing of Tokyo being a great example. The only reason Dresden has any relevance is because it was used as a anti-west propaganda tool by the Nazis then later pick up and used by the Soviets.

@squeaky8761 26 күн бұрын

@@igorslocks "The Greatest Story Never Told" ah so you watched nazi propaganda. None of their genocide or crimes or atrocities were enough for you, but allies doing something bad equals them being the real monsters?

@squeaky8761 26 күн бұрын

a military target getting bombed to deal a blow to a genocide committing regime is what made you ashamed and upset? If you are upset about civilians dying then how do you feel about the millions the nazi regime killed or the tens of thousands currently being killed in Palestine right now?

@thomaslamb8635 26 күн бұрын

@ I get where you’re coming from. I’m speaking about when I first learned of it. Of course, since then my views are way more nuanced. Time has changed my views on many things. But, again, it was similar to tearing the blindfold off someone who’s lived their entire life blinded by it. I suppose i thought by prefacing that I was young and didn’t know much beyond what I was taught in school would be sufficient to explain WHY I reacted so strongly. Then again, there is always someone, in every comment section that exists simply to stir the pot. Or, alternatively, are so blinded themselves that certain words or phrases strung together can elicit the worst of themselves to manifest. Of course, some people only read the first few sentences and have made their minds up as to what is being said, and how they feel about it. Other simply cannot read.

@TCHorwood-xq7mw Ай бұрын

I want to read it again now. Thanks for reminding me about it.

@dmar.gar5689 2 ай бұрын

Nice video

@JACKnJESUS Ай бұрын

Whenever I have a bad day, I know I can come to this channel for some good old fashioned cheer.

@gendor5199 2 ай бұрын

it is a scary world we live in where all our heroes can do is die slightly less badly. I think I would like to see more old fashioned heroes, but politics makes pigs of us all I suppose.

@Khornebrzrkr1 2 ай бұрын

I listened to instead of watching this video, and I was very satisfied to find out that I was right Rutger Hauer would work very well as the protagonist before looking it up.

@shawnthompson5166 2 ай бұрын

“ no one’s going to war over something that happened to others over 20 years ago “. My brother in Christ. The forever wars constantly happening on behalf of isreal is exactly what we’ve been doing since the end of ww2

@M33f3r 2 ай бұрын

Isreal won ww2. The rest of us lost. Even a small glance at logic makes the Hallofcoats fall apart. If they had intended to kill people they wouldn’t have had concerts and swimming pools and maternity wards!

@B_Estes_Undegöetz 2 ай бұрын

You’re confusing pretext with material interests, true motivations and causes. Israel functions on “behalf” of the material economic interests of the U.S. ruling class 1%. It was handed off at the end of WWII from the British for whom it served the same purpose since Balfour Declaration at the wrap-up of WWI back in 1917. The U.S. regards it as an “unsinkable aircraft carrier” from which to project U.S. power in the whole region via a proxy. Which explains the constant unshakable loyalty to that aircraft carrier, no matter how badly the captain and crew behaves to others in the area. It must be understood as an expression of U.S. policy. Even after the U.S. becomes oil and energy self-sufficient (which it already is thanks to fracking being accepted now across both political parties no matter the damage to US citizens and the communities) … the U.S. economic ruling class must be able to deny the (oil) resources in the region to their major geopolitical adversary … China … and now to a much lesser extent Russia as well as anyone else who might think about grabbing exclusive control of the region for themselves. People really must stop the ethno-analysis. Follow the money as they say … use economic class analysis and material economic interests as the foundation for your analysis and you’ll understand why people and nations do what they do far better and more realistically.

@EricDaMAJ 2 ай бұрын

I’ve never seen a meaningful amount of strike aircraft launched or troops deployed from the “unsinkable aircraft carrier.”

@biotrekker 2 ай бұрын

Vietnam and Korean conflicts benefitted Israel how, exactly?

@boobah5643 2 ай бұрын

@@biotrekker How do you get "The US is a tool of Israel" from someone saying "Israel is a useful tool for American imperialism?"

@daniellabra4186 2 ай бұрын

This was a brillant analysis... Thanks for posting.

@apstrike 2 ай бұрын

I want to amend your statement about governments not caring about atrocities unless it's in their interest to do so. I think the American reaction to discovering the camps was sincere. But I agree that no government cares about atrocities when it's not in their interest to do so. And we see that in the headlines every single day these days.

@theotherohlourdespadua1131 2 ай бұрын

It really depends as to which party wants to use it for their own ends. In the novel, the US were funding the rump Soviet Union so whoever preceded Kennedy were hostile to the Nazis...

@TotalFreedomTTT-pk9st 2 ай бұрын

Accept for what the 'discovered' was the result of typhus and lack of food produced by THEIR bombing - look at the utterly destroyed cities of Hamburg and Berlin and ask how they could feed people in camps at the end of the war

@boobah5643 2 ай бұрын

Oh, sure it was. And the sheer number of GIs who saw the camps meant that they probably couldn't have covered it up if they wanted to. But it's also true that the atrocities were _useful_ for the people in power, who were by and large the same folks who had gotten the US into the war.

@AeromaticXD 29 күн бұрын

I loved Fatherland when I first read it around 2017/2018. The ending is especially sombre, reminding you that atrocities are often selectively remembered. I admire that it moves beyond the cartoonish and absurd displays most nazi-related media tends to take, showing that well anyone can do such actions in the ‘right’ contexts. It’s fair to remind people that the Nazis were greatly inspired by Jim Crow and admired the settler colonialism that the US itself was founded upon against the Native Americans. It’s a horrific thing in any instance that anyone can excuse atrocities done by their own nation.

@jameslooker4791 Ай бұрын

Part of the WWII ethos was that Europe was a complex tapestry of nations and cultures that needed to be saved from fascism. If WWII stalemated with every Allied landing failed and the strategic bombing campaign ineffective, I'm generally inclined to believe that US leaders nuke Nazi Germany into submission rather than allow Europe to be swallowed for the sake of exhaustion. The immorality of the Nazi death camps was more connected with how we moralize WWII than why we didn't seek peace. Nazi Fascism just seemed too aggressive to be trusted. No borders were safe. The Cold War with the USSR was a product of Western powers containing the USSR. Conquering and occupying the USSR didn't interest anyone except the most hawkish Allied generals. Liberating Central Europe and Central Asia clearly did not motivate the US and the UK the same way liberating Western Europe did. I would say WWII changed how we look at genocide after the fact more than it motivates us to prevent it or induce feelings of guilt for not preventing it. I maintain that the reason the West fixates on the Holocaust is because it was an act of a "Western Civilization." The idea that societies are somehow becoming more moral as they become more civilized has always been appealing.

@KNS1996DFS 2 күн бұрын

Do we still have the alert conditions? I can't remember the last time that they were mentioned.

@theodoremccarthy4438 2 ай бұрын

0:22 WW2 is not "the creation story of the modern world." It's the story of the death of modernity and the creation of the Postmodern world.

@spehhhsssmarineer8961 2 ай бұрын

Potato post-potatoe

@cass7448 2 ай бұрын

He's using the dictionary definition of modern, not the philosophical one.

@theodoremccarthy4438 2 ай бұрын

@@cass7448 I'm less concerned with philosophy than culture and geopolitics. The modern era was typified by the rise and dominance of European empires motivated by nationalism, imperialism, and Christianity. Since the end of WW2 the world has been dominated by cultural movements and geopolitical coalitions motivated by the explicit rejection of those value systems which energized modern nation states and empires.

@cass7448 2 ай бұрын

@@theodoremccarthy4438 okay?

@theodoremccarthy4438 2 ай бұрын

@@cass7448 just clarifying my own perspective. Not offering an argument.

@jean-pierrefernandez2460 Ай бұрын

You’re wrong about one thing, some people definitely care. They care so much, They’re still making movies about it 80 years later! I’ve never seen something so heavily reinforced except this.

@presidentandroid Ай бұрын

Why what are you talking about?

@TheStarshipGarage 2 ай бұрын

Even as a child, I always found it odd that in comparison the gulags and the great purge were swept under the rug in comparison to the holocaust, and I found it disgusting how people LARP online as communists, singing the praise of a nation that slaughtered millions of dissenters meanwhile if you roleplayed as a nazi you would be cancelled. Isn't evil all treated as evil no matter which side of the aisle its on? I always found it odd that I knew all about the volumes of holocaust literature from a young age but only recently did I hear about the Gulag Archipelago, and having read about both events, I find them equally as disturbing. I think if the history we taught focused on the gulags and purges as much as the holocaust, we would have a lot more sensible people and a lot less radicalization. I was at first confused when you said Nazism wasn't a "singular" evil. But now I understand what you meant. Nazism does not hold a monopoly on death and atrocities. It is but one in a long line of ideologies that seek to tear apart humanity. And having a tunnel vision thinking that it is the only great evil in this world will only make us ignore the others that seek the same goal.

@revelation20232 Ай бұрын

Consider for a moment if you will the political ramifications of putting anyone or any atrocity on par with Hitler & the big H. Those 2 are the foundations of the current world order and it's mythology. You may ask who or why it is this way but a simple look at US foreign policy especially lately should point you in the right direction. Perhaps the fact people are sitting in prison in multiple countries in Europe for questioning the establishment narrative should tell you this IS the foundation of the current paradigm.

@Rick79LUFC Ай бұрын

Thats one beautiful back drop you chose 😊....you have a wonderful narrated voice iv subscribed look forward to watching more 😊

@keegobricks9734 2 ай бұрын

To me I think history is no longer of any value to shape the present. They say those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it, yet if all our history is a bunch of lies used to prop up a mythology that benefits a regime, what difference does it make if we're versed in them or not? It's not that I don't think "truth" is a value, there's a reason why the first sin in the Bible was of a lie. However, if all truth is so heavily mixed in with lies as to be inextricable like mixing a glass of lemonade, where you can't ever separate the water from the lemon juice from the sugar from the little drop of poison added to it. The only reliable way not to die is not to drink it. There are a million atrocities in human history, I think it's a better question to ask why only the one going unnoticed would bother anyone, rather than asking if you yourself would be.

@victorkreig6089 2 ай бұрын

The soap hoax is the foundation all of our modern society is built on Without it our world would be very VERY different Lies havw consequences and you're living in one

@igorslocks 2 ай бұрын

Interesting comment and more than a little relevant as we observe the world's current climate in October 2024.

@boobah5643 2 ай бұрын

The point of history repeating is that people are people, and if you force them into the same positions as people in the past had, you can expect them to respond the same way. The point is to notice patterns, and through that, avoid doing the same damn thing that ruined nations in the past.

@gavinhammond1778 2 ай бұрын

You film in such pretty locations. Thanks for the content.

@Michaelfatman-xo7gv 2 ай бұрын

Thinks me of Red Dawn.

@gavinhammond1778 2 ай бұрын

@@Michaelfatman-xo7gv haha, now that you say it, I realise that's spot on😎

@TheJofurr 2 ай бұрын

You don't say...

@jenniferbrewer5370 Ай бұрын

I have this novel. Definitely a good read! And I agree, the movie's happy ending misses the whole point.

@ShadowGJ 2 ай бұрын

The Man in the High Castle, the Amazon series at least, also adopts the idea of a much less visible Holocaust precisely due to the German victory. It happened, of course, but it's not common knowledge and only a select few know the details of what happened in the camps. As far as the average Reich denizen knows (and one of the main anti-heroes' wife), the European Jews were just resettled east, carted off somewhere out of sight. The truth is revolting even to at least of portion of Nazi higher-ups. Of course, it's even more revulsive once certain characters find out (SPOILERS!) that the Greater German Reich intends to implement a sequel in America (targeting African Americans, for example), once the cold war turned hot against Imperial Japan is won there.

@wesleystreet 2 ай бұрын

It's been awhile since I watched the show but from what I picked up, American Blacks who ended up in American Reich territory either fled to the neutral zone or the Imperial Pacific States or were sent to concentration camps where they were killed. Obergruppenfuhrer Smith's daughter asked him if he knew any Black people when he was a child and, when he admitted that he did, his daughter asked where all the Black people went. Smith paused and, clearly lying, said they all went back to Africa. We saw in flashbacks in Season 1 that, as a member of the SS, Smith had participated in and overseen purges of "undesirables" in American cities. This included an infanticidal event in Cincinnati that gave one of his fellow overseers permanent PTSD. It was interesting to see that Smith wasn't a believer in the Reich's racial supremacy dogma. He wasn't a racist and he considered Himmler "a petty little dictator." However, he was willing to commit any evil act if it meant safety and prosperity for himself and his family. In the end, it was a motivation that ended up costing him his self-respect (after visiting "our" timeline, he realized he was the worst version of himself) and his son and wife.

@aintbeenhome2105 28 күн бұрын

My favourite book ever, nice seeing it get some attention

@marklamoreaux6932 2 ай бұрын

A good video... makes one realize why various Soviet atrocities, such as the Holodomor and the Red Terror, have been forgotten in the popular imagination over time.

@RodmanTackleAdvisor 2 ай бұрын

This was the first "adult fiction" I ever read. I was 12. The movie came out around then too. That book pretty much addicted me to the techno/Military thriller genre.