Fantasy or Imperialism? Analysing Marvel’s Asgard

[@iexist01]

Emh somehow made everything feel so much more connected then the Mcu, even though the mcu purposely makes every movie the same color grade and tone. Emh feels so alive.

[@sebastienvondoom8615]

Well, tbf, EMH has 1 creative team at a time, while the MCU has a bunch

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@sebastienvondoom8615 emh also stuck closer to the comics

[@brandenaustin37]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp your both right but also, EMH and the comics dont have Disney dictating how the they conduct themselves at least not in a deeply or artistically intrusive way

[@juliiju0484]

If there's one thing most projects in the yostverse have, it's love for Asgard. In EMH, Thor Tales of Asgard, and Hulk vs Thor, the artists have managed to bring Asgard to life in an incredible way, not to mention the Asgardians themselves.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

While I do love Thor: Tales of Asgard, I would have loved if they had done like a Tales of Ba Sing Sei style, like Avatar: the last Airbender. Where we see characters of Asgard having their own little adventures.

[@moonknight4053]

They didn’t even give Asgard and it’s people a personality in the mcu tbh. We didn’t even get to see anyone like doin destroy realms and planets like he can in the comics.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@moonknight4053 Yeah, they chose to run away from what made Asgard. Such a shame.

[@sadlobster1]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp All because they didn't want to offend the "religious people" in the movie crowds

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@sadlobster1 so stupid.

[@soldofpol7026]

A good theory I've heard is that while Hela's power came from the well-being of Asgard the place, Thor's comes from the well-being of Asgard's people. The idea there, I believe, is that rulers are nothing, and should be nothing, if they are not doing everything they can to ensure the safety and livelihood of those they preside over. I would also point out that Eitri in the MCU was broken by Thanos, not because he was an imperial subject, at least that we know. Stormbreaker's creation always struck me as Eitri and Thor working together to get their revenge on Thanos. I also think it's important to regard the fact that Thor stepped away from being king in Endgame, which seemed like a logical continuation of his arc in Ragnarok, at least to me.

[@malcolmroache3854]

Great points of the differences. I like medieval Thor more than goofy Thor. I understand Thor now needed life added to him and he covers his pain with jokes but medieval feels more like him. Hela is better in EMH than her counterpart. Hela has more character than her debut who just a brute.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Really sucks that we're over 20 films into the MCU, and Thor is still trying to find himself.

[@TitanBolt99]

Thor didn't even need "life added to him," what does that even mean?!? Thor is already a great character to begin with. Thor isn't one of those characters that when he feels emotional he throws a joke just to cope. Marvel Studios and especially Taika Waititi ruined him.

[@malcolmroache3854]

@@TitanBolt99 what I mean by him needing life is that from the general people Thor was boring to them. He wasn't drawing interest like Cap and Tony in their movies. That's why Ragnarok is the way it is. Originally Ragnarok was going to be what we know the story was in the comics and they changed it. There was a joke every second they talked in this movie.

[@jesuscuellar3624]

Honestly, looking back at EMH and Yost's depictions of Asgard, the Nine Realms and Thor's mythos as a whole just made me wish we could have a Mighty Thor series to explore this side of the Marvel universe in all the depth that it deserves. Heck, if we couldn't get EMH back (fingers cross for it to happen #SaveTheYostVerse) at least I would be super happy if we could get a Thor animated show set in EMH continuity or at least that Yost is involved. MCU's depiction of Asgard and its treatment of Thor in general will always be one of the biggest lows that, regardless of my overall thoughts about the franchise as a whole (liking most of it), I will always criticize for the waste of potential. Ideally the Thor films could had been this epic space fantasy films, at best with the same scope as LOTR and that told great epic storylines... but instead, besides Ragnarok, they are some of the weakest films in the MCU (And Ragnarok was more of an adaptation of Planet Hulk rather than Ragnarok or the Surtur Saga!). As much as I really liked Taika Waititi's work in Ragnarok (and have a big respect for him as a filmmaker) as a movie alone, Ragnarok is great but as an adaptation of the comics, it still falls short And yes, I know movies should be their own thing and not 100% word by word copies of the comics, but still, the stories and characterizations in the films totally fall extremely short compared to the epic storylines in the issues. EMH’s Asgard and Nine Realms (like pretty much every other place and feature of the Marvel universe presented in the show, heavens, do I really love this great show) felt so rich and with tons of potential to be the center stage of epic storylines in the series. There is a reason why it ended up being the setting for the finale of Season 1. Another great analysis like always! Keep up the great content!

[@DiarrheaIsUnbreakable]

Sad that the Nine Realms weren’t fleshed out in the MCU. Instead the Thor movies chose to focus on either Earth or Sakaar.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Yeah, that was very disappointing. In Ragnorak it felt tiny. Hated how they made the destruction of Asgard a joke. I felt nothing when it was destroyed. Pretty much felt very meh throughout the Ragnorak movie.

[@emmazig]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp yeah, I love ragnarok as a movie, but the destruction of Asgard (or, really, it’s lack exploration in earlier movies) wasted a lot of interesting settings

[@sadlobster1]

Don't get me started about the mess the MCU made with Sakaar. As someone who's a fan of the Planet Hulk story, I thought what Taika did was the very embodiment of cringe

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@sadlobster1 what did you think of the Planet Hulk animated movie?

[@sadlobster1]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp I loved it, especially with how it ended; giving Hulk something he always wanted...a world full of people who love him. Sure the World War Hulk comic destroyed that for him but I'm glad Marvel Animation didn't adapt that into a movie

[@caris5944]

The Asgardian episodes were my favorite, too. If we get a revival I really want an inside look at the culture of all the realms and their people.

[@sadlobster1]

Personally, I prefer the more believable and iconic versions of Norse figures from EMH over the mess the MCU gave us for the past decade. Not only did I hate what they did to Asgard and the Aesir...but their depiction of the elves and Etri were even worse. I've said it before and I will say it again...realism has no place in the realm of comics or comic based media

[@eduardopantoja9115]

I'll be honest, I feel like the only reason why they apply realism into Asgard is because it requires less money. Going full fantasy would cost a lot more

[@sadlobster1]

@@eduardopantoja9115 That...actually sounds like a legit reason, especially when you recall how much money it took for Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones to get made. Still, I will always consider Avengers: EMH to be the definitive media adaptation of the team

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Ragnorak was enjoyable at first, but i would have loved seeing a darker destruction of Asgard. I felt absolutely nothing when Odin died, or when Asgard was destroyed. It was made into a complete joke.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@Erik Kemeey until Korg made a joke during the actual destruction of Asgard

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@Erik Kemeey but why not let it sink in fully. Why cut it oof with any jokes? When Yondu died, they let it fully sink in. Just let people take it in.

[@geekprofessor3935]

Thor Ragnarok was just a comedy with action sequences and no emotional value.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

The worst thing about MCU Thor is that we're over 20 films in and he is still trying to find himself.

[@dissonanceparadiddle]

The thing I think I hate the most about the MCU is that i get the impression that there's this shame about the fantastical campy stuff that emh embraced and adapted well. It can be goofy, wide eyed and idealistic but it's always a lot of fun. Something that the MCU can't really say anymore. There's this desperation to overly explain and justify everything to make the movies so grounded that it's kinda boring. Not to mention they do nothing with the world building potential of the fancy tech we never see change the world for the better as time goes on

[@sadlobster1]

The thing I've come to notice about Hollywood lately is that the movie studios seem to think the fantasy genre is "too silly" or that it "doesn't have anymore interesting stories to tell." Even worse is when they try to put a forced modern spin on iconic mythical figures, as seen in Legend of the Sword and the Robin Hood movie with Jamie Foxx in it

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Fall of Asgard and A Day unlike any other are my 2 favorite episodes. It was absolutely amazing to see the Avengers in Asgard. Loved seeing different areas of the nine realms. The only thing to go into this much depth was the Ultimate Alliance video game.

[@o.8.p149]

I feel like some superhero’s would work better as shows like Thor exploring the nine realms or just watching a show about Asgard

[@basicsimp8798]

Hela: Where did you think all of this gold came from?

[@KasirRham]

I'm ok with mcu Asgard having an imperialist past, just as long as Thor pushes that society to turn a corner in his future endeavors as he grows closer to All Father like physical capability. I'd love to see a future Thor contributing to an ethical society without repeating Odin's ways... perhaps on a newly teraformed world that the Guardians help him discover

[@evenhartwick4422]

the thing with imperialism is when your powerful why would you settle for less. imagine Thor god of thunder working a day job to afford a crapy 1 floor apartment when he can probably conquer the planet by himself. everyone likes to pretend they have the morals of Supermen when you know we would all be Homelander or Omni man deep down. but feeling morally right about stuff makes us feel good. if i got Thors power you'd be calling me "your majesty" tomorrow morning

[@deterlanglytone]

I think another problem with the anti-imp message of Ragnarok is Odin himself. As much as it is critical of Odin's means of getting rulership of the Nine Realms, it also puts the man up on a pedastal. Odin isn't treated that he has done wrong, but that he is the moral centre. Thor's visions of him go along with this, as does any lack of Analyis of his father by Thor. Its like the movie wanted to have two different Odins. So we have the Father of Thor, a wise old man who's time has passed who's ghost pushes Thor to his full potential... ... and the Colonial monster that slaughtered his way to rule nine worlds. A far greater number of mass slaughter than any villain the MCU had up till Thanos proper showed up. This is without even be willing to go into Loki's place in this set up as a member of a defeated(And according to Hela conquered) race. Who himself had been talking about these very things in Dark World, but was dismissed completely. Now, he had been using as a excuse for his own actions, so it made sense. But I'd say that you shouldn't take a direction where the former villain had been right without better reflection. Nor does it want to deal with how Loki and Hela's punishments are not solutions to their existence as threats. Both escape and assume ownership over Asgard after all. Both were locked away by Odin who was never going to visit them in spite being his children. Now, that isn't actually a criticism of Odin, just a odd parrell about the characters and the situations the film... isn't interested. Ragnarok by going along with the message it does, actually weakens the positions of the prior films' characters in very interesting ways. But the film isn't interested exploring these things with any depth so it makes the world feel so hollow. It goes along with the way the film treats other supporting Thor characters too. Regardless to that, I do actually think Ragnarok is the most entertaining Thor film. I'd watch it over the Dark World, but at least that was willing to give fault to Odin in some place, rather than talking around it as if there were two Odins. But the characters lack the depth of Thor 1.

[@samueldimmock694]

I think the thing with Odin having a dark history but being seen as a hero and moral center is less pro-imperialism cognitive dissonance and more a subtle version of the redemption theme in Ragnarok. After all, he has been trying to be a hero for how many centuries now? He really ought to have mostly succeeded by the time of the movies. Your other thoughts are interesting, though I haven't watched the movies in a while, so I can't really say much about them.

[@deterlanglytone]

@@samueldimmock694 Odin never tried to be a hero. He was't going around righting wrongs in the MCU. He was continuing to impose his rules. One might claim the defeindg Midguard from the Jotuns as proof of his change of heart. Becuase there he was the 'hero' but the murals of Hela' deeds imply that the Jotun War happened before she was sealed away. And that was the last great battle of his. Since that he spends time supporting his kingdom. I am not saying that he doesn't do good by them. Odin is obviously beloved by his people. What I saying is that redeming oneself involves more than simply retaining their control over a people. Freeing them, reperations towards them. Those are some of the steps required. Removing oneself from power. Odin bathed himself in blood for wealth and pretige. He kept them both for more than a thousand years. He never redeemed himself. He just stopped being a asshole. The man rewrote history so he wouldn't need to feel shame for his actions.

[@samueldimmock694]

@@deterlanglytone Okay, hero is the wrong word. But my view is that he was a person in charge of a bunch of other people who decided that that meant he had a responsiblity to govern and protect them in a way conducive to their short- and long-term wellbeing. Sure, he shouldn't have conquered them in the first place, but now that they are under his authority and apparently dependent on his military for protection from external threats and possibly internal ones, he can't exactly say "You can rule yourselves now, good luck." He's certainly not perfect, but then again, no one is, and there are no perfect answers in politics. That said, I'm not sure what the exact relationship was between Asgard and the other realms. Midgard was clearly left to itself, Svartalfhiem or whatever it was called looked to me like a dead world that was more or less ruled by nobody because it was more or less uninhabited, Jotunheim and Nidavellir were gone over too briefly to really convey the complexities, and we know pretty much nothing about the rest. It is possible that the relationship evolved into something similar to a non-aggression pact, promise of military aid in time of need, and (possibly) mutually beneficial trade agreements. It is also possible that it was straight imperialism or a form of neo-imperialism. We simply do not and cannot know. As for revisionary history, the part about Asgard having conquered the other realms (with the possible exception of Earth) seemed to be widely known, though they may or may not have been seen as righteous crusades waged against monsters. Hela was forgotten, deliberately so, but given that she was apparently considered a hero, perhaps that was done less to pretend that Odin never made mistakes and more to ensure that the people did not continue to view her as a hero and role model--and yeah, Odin should have told Thor about her, but telling him before the original movie may not have been the best idea ("My sister conquered worlds for you, and she was a hero; I pick one fight with Frost Giants and I'm a disappointment!"), and perhaps he planned to tell him after Dark World.

[@deterlanglytone]

​@@samueldimmock694 I don't find these lines of logic all that convincing. Odin didn't just conquer and reule these people. He built a literal city of gold from the resources he took. And from what we gleam from the movie the Dark World, he made sure to keep them under thumb. They'd rebelled between Thor1 and Dark World. It doesn't speak of people willing to stay under Odin's rule. As for the no one' perfect line. Odin should've just never conquered them in the first place. Being sorry and not doing the least action, which is freeing them from your rule after word... that is not a good thing. That's not just not being perfect, that' proving you've not tried to redeem yourself. According to Thor in Ragnorok, they had armies on these worlds to keep them occupied. And whether neo or regular, imperialism is still imperialism. Not a good thing at all. Also you're really underplaying the level of revisionism in the thrid film here. Thor wasn't surprised just by his sister, he was surprised that Odin had conquered the Nine at all. This was news to him. He understood their role purely as guardians in this film. No one ever spoke of Odin's prior action. He literally covers it up. So well that no one, except maybe Heimdall, knew she existed. Inspite the claim, we have no proof that she was a "hero" at all. The Valks were wiped out by her, but people still idolised them. But Thor never ever heard of his sister, no one ever spoke of her. There weren't even any taunts about her by his enemies. That's not just not telling him for the movie, that is never explaining to him anything to do with their history, their real history his whole life. The position the film shows us is that Odin rewrote history so he was positioned as a good guy. Not that he didn't want people to realize her, because her actions with the Valks alone would've stopped that.

[@samueldimmock694]

@@deterlanglytone Well, perhaps I misunderstood some things. As I said, it's been a long time since I watched most of those movies; I shouldn't have acted like I knew what I was talking about when I clearly didn't. Of course, I still think it's a bit more complex than you make it out to be, but that doesn't mean Odin's a great guy.

[@arthurfortes8398]

Great video. But you are, to me, being a little too hard to MCU Eitri, Thor asked Eitri for the axe because the universe was literally at rist, and he had seen people important to him die and he wanted revenge, and Eitri had spent a lot of time alone having to deal with the destruction of his race, so he definetely could not feel powerful in that moment, but he did a great job making the axe.

[@PillarofGarbage]

Sorry, I should have been clearer - I’m not trying to say that Thor was wrong for obtaining Stormbreaker in the way that he did, or that Eitri was wrong to make it. I’m just arguing that the way the interaction plays out suggests an element of continuity re: Thor’s pre-ragnarok sense of imperial authority.

[@autobotproductions1244]

I will admit there is something a bit more ascetically about some aspects of MCU Asgard in comparison to EMH in my opinion. Heck, making the dwarves giant is just brilliant

[@PillarofGarbage]

I think my favourite look was Asgard in Thor 1. After that, something was lost for me.

[@autobotproductions1244]

@@PillarofGarbage fair enough. Though some things were cool in the others. Like those jet skiffs in the second film. Those were pretty neat

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@PillarofGarbage it felt smaller and smaller each film. Ragnorak made it feel like a house, not a realm.

[@frederickambaritaa8057]

I want to preface this by saying that I agree with almost all of your points But I have to say that your argument that Thor’s journey to Nidlvilir is an affirmation of Asgardian imperialism is a MASSIVE stretch kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqCal5SeeL1pebM In the scene where the two speak, he doesn’t come off as a king ordering his subject at all. He doesn’t “charge” Eitri to manufacture goods for him as you said in 13:52 (that implies that Eitri does all the work and Thor simply sits back and reaps the benefit) He asks to work together with Eitri to manufacture the axe. He even says so when he tells him “Together, you and I, we can kill Thanos”. And we know Thor isn’t lying when he says they’ll do it together because Thor himself ends up doing a vast majority of the manual labor to get the get the forge going (From realigning the rings of the star to risking his life to hold the forge open) The only time he acts remotely antagonistic to Eitri at all is when he questions him about creating the Gauntlet, which is completely justified seeing as the wearer of said gauntlet massacred half his people just a few days ago Also please don’t take this criticism as me disliking this video, I like your content and I still think this is a great video (Just that one segment was a little questionable)

[@ivane5110]

I doubt it'll happen, but I would love to see the EMH universe (Ideally showing all of the Avengers) being encountered in some way by some later, noticeably different Marvel cartoon universe's characters. And especially if the EMH art style and voice actors are used (even if just for that encounter scene). It'd be a great way to showcase the differences, both subtle and extreme.

[@PillarofGarbage]

I could see this happening!

[@insomniagobrrr5542]

I don't think Disney would let anything add more fuel to the proverbial fire of #savetheyostverse

[@carlinc.christensen3478]

Another fantastic video! I think that the thesis you laid out here is a great example of "write what you know". We are so different from our ancestors and I think it would be so cool to see an Asgard that has an interesting web of alliances and promises. Thank you for this awesome perspective!! Thanks for another amazing video!

[@PillarofGarbage]

Glad you liked it, thanks for the positivity!

[@axels3188]

I think the AEMH Asgard is the best verison of it.

[@nosfonader8792]

So basically Asgard is reverse Galactic Empire from Star Wars? Star Wars has us follow the heroes fighting against the Empire that's very oppressive and Asgard is what we follow and we get glimpses of their dominance over the ok there realms. Thor 4 really should explore this take a d have Thor remake the apparent tiranical rule a big plot point. Maybe have Gorr (the movie's villain) wage war for this reason.

[@Caleb-zl4wk]

I'm not getting why the concept of Thor being a king is bad, even if we do just accept the asgardian stuff as bad. And he also is just like... cool with the dwarf guy

[@PillarofGarbage]

I’m not arguing that there’s anything wrong with Thor remaining king (equally, I’m not arguing that there isn’t) - merely that it shows the destruction of Asgard’s imperial systems we see in Ragnarok is not a total paradigm shift, as Asgard remains autocratic.

[@Caleb-zl4wk]

@@PillarofGarbage oh, ok, my bad. I thought since the emphasis was on the decently backhanded subliminal ideas in the mcu that you were saying they were backtracking the stuff from Ragnarok. Idk there was also that like kind of “negate” thing you mentioned where you said you didn’t know whether or not they canceled each other out, and the first thing you mentioned was like good, so by extension I sort of thought this one was bad.

[@thereddevil5548]

EMH >>>>> UCM

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Agreed

[@louisvictor3473]

Honestly, I can't agree with your reading of Infinity War. There are some Thor characterisation problems there, but I don't think it is "Thor going back to the old imperial holding as a king demanding his provincial subject to obey". The movie's tone make it very clear that is not how he goes there. When he arrives there, he quickly notice something is wrong with the place and people there. The Rocket points out that Thanos' glove was made there. Then Eitri shows up and literally kicks him, and he doesn't react with violence or bravado. Thor's first question to the Eitri after he recognizes it is Thor is "what happened here" with clear concern. Eitri then accuses Asgard of failing her promise to protect his people, and Thor let's him know that points out to him Asgard was supposed to protect them, and Thor tells him Asgard was destroyed. Then he asks him why he made the gauntlet for Thanos, with a tone that is clear he seeks not to asume the worst first but to understand Eitri's side of the story. Rather well acted on Hemsworth btw, as he manages to act and clearly communicate how the character feels with his face, his body language, and his voice even while making that growly voice. Then, Eitri explains his side, he thought it would keep his people save but was pointless. Thor then doesn't demand for a new weapon, but rather sympathizes with Eitri, recognizes that he too would love to have some revenge on Thanos, and then persuades him by pointing out that if they work together, there is hope for them to get their revenge they both want. That is not exactly a definitionally imperalist monarch attitude. It doesn't entirely rule it out your reading on itself, but it does zero to support or even just suggest it.

[@soccerandtrack10]

Praise salha ha dean! I got confused,it looked like assassins creed 1.

[@mariannedarrow7227]

Really enjoyed this video. Think I need to go watch the Thor movies again now.

[@manshsingh5680]

Next one should be IronMan vs IronMan Ironman had a great arc but iron man had a better suit and intellect but then again Ironman was more developed as a character.

[@jagnestormskull3178]

I liked the look of Nidavellir better in the MCU; it's almost a visual dialectic between sci-fi and fantasy, the circular molds being spells cast by a neutron star. The Nidavellir of EMH is the dwarven mine that I've seen a thousand times before in Tolkien adaptations and videos from Minecrafters who are seriously into roleplay. Edit: Itri says that Thanos killed all the dwarves on "this ring," but there are three rings of Nidavellir, so I like to think that some dwarves are still alive.

[@soccerandtrack10]

What's the difference between inperlism and what people did before the 1400s? Every1 killed and stole places. Is that inperlism or not? Persa ruled random people, but the people still had freedom.

[@AquaFan1998]

Tbh i feel the argument against infinity war walking back on Ragnarok is mute. Thor isnt pushing imperial power, he needs a weapon to kill the man who slaughtered all the other dwarves and puts his life on the line to do it. Etri even tells thor that thanos killed his people and thor tells him that asgard is destroyed too. Thor is getting vengeance for all those thanos killed dwarves and any other races alike.

[@PillarofGarbage]

What Thor does is justified, absolutely - the point is in the way he accomplishes it. Thor’s authority over Eitri is implicit in their interaction.

[@AquaFan1998]

@@PillarofGarbage well yea but hes the king of asgard even if its gone. It was etris choice to help and he did. Imperialism feel isnt always bad its just how its used, look at vanaheim, asgard came to its aid when it was being attacked by marauders and we see hogun happy and his people happy and at peace. Yes some things they did wasnt always good. The frost giants are more complex but surtur and his fire demons are shown repeatedly as evil. The dark elves hated the universe and wanted to destroy it to return to darkness even with borr. No offence nobody or no people can make everything oerfect for everyone ether some suffer for others or everyone suffers so everyones equal ngl

[@insomniagobrrr5542]

EMH's Asgardian empire actually seems like a British Commonwealth situation.

[@oluwadamilola6233]

I love EMH, it introduced me to marvel comics and made me a Thor fan, the way Asgard was displayed in EMH as a true mystical realm is just great...

[@night3096]

Does anyone remember a avengers episode or a movie where iron Man design some handcuffs that nobody can escape from including the Hulk and Thor except for odeon and in the episode they fight surtur, does anyone know what series or movie this is from, I'm sure it's avengers earth's mightiest heroes but it doesn't exist so any clothes

[@sahilhossian8212]

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[@nazishhussain2712]

this version hulk remind me of squidward from spongebob

[@marocat4749]

I hate that regarding ragnarok, love it or hate it, had an impact, right after asgardians are laughtered again at the start for shock!, I suspect its that feile wanted to get rid of asgard and high fantasy thor. So that was yeah. it takes away what makes thor thor. I suspect tawiti didnt decide that, feige did the overall plot. Watiti and named hadwritr here, just did make it both fun nd really meaningful commentary, that the next movie, just erased. And watiti too ha a history of strong social commentary. Like asgardian is the people as theme, next movie kills the people mostly , again!

[@sadlobster1]

I don't understand why Hollywood seems to hate High Fantasy or Epic Fantasy so much

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Are you ever going to cover the Avengers: Earth's migthiest heroes comic tie ins?

[@PillarofGarbage]

Potentially, but there’s a lot of other content I want to make first

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@PillarofGarbage oh absolutely. There's so much to talk about with the show alone. Great video!

[@hamizanyunos1502]

How do you feel about God of War Ragnarok's Asgard?

[@PillarofGarbage]

Sadly I have not played it!

[@AbhiMoz]

I'd have loved for Tony to be found by Thor and go to Nidavellier. I've wanted Asgardian iron man so bad in the MCU but alas so many Iron man stories are not to be.

[@TroyBlackford]

You should look into Taika Waititi's anti-imperial sentiments.

[@PillarofGarbage]

Will do, thank you!

[@TroyBlackford]

@@PillarofGarbage You're one of the coolest channels, thanks for noting my thoughts, hope it's a good experience!

[@manshsingh5680]

13:52 piller are you serious that’s a made up word

[@brandonandcharlene9527]

As fun as some moments were in Thor Ragnarok, I thought some elements were very jarring 1st Thor Film: Asgard...the Realm ETERNAL. Ragnarok: Asgard isn't it a place, it's her people.... 😕

[@PillarofGarbage]

An awful lot seems to change between Thor films regarding Asgard. It’s like each film takes place in a slightly different interpretation of the same basic setting. Weird!

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Let's not forget how we are over 20 films into the MCU and Thor is still trying to find himself.

[@ryangabriel4447]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp to be fair with how old thor is the whole mcu is just a really bad month for him

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@ryangabriel4447 doesn't really explain the lack of consistency with Thor across all 3 films.

[@davidwhite1497]

:)

[@DiarrheaIsUnbreakable]

I think you’re overanalysing the storm breaker being a “colonial” product, though I do agree that the other nine worlds felt more like protectorates than their own realms. Asgard was the one sent to protect Vanaheim when aliens invaded, and Eitri expected Asgard to protect Nidavellir from Thanos. I also noticed that AEMH Loki’s actions are similar to that of Odin and Hela in the MCU, turning the Nine Realms into his own empire.

[@milesarmstrong2990]

The rule of kings is bad (Thor knows this) The rule of the capitalist is bad (Hank Pym knows this, Tony Stark does not), the rule of the benevolent dictator is bad (the Leader and the Purple man disagree). The best government is everyone being dead (Ultron was totally on board with this one)

[@PillarofGarbage]

based..?

[@FadzaiSimango]

I thought Hawkeye was Alfheim not Vanaheim. Y'know, since he was with an elf/alf 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@sahilhossain8204]

Lore of Fantasy or Imperialism? Analysing Marvel’s Asgard momentum 100