FantomWorks Friday: 66 Mustang

[@robertbechert5380]

DAN MISSED YOU GUYS ON MOTOR TREND OR YOUR TV SHOW, I WATCH ALL YOUR OLD SHOW'S ON TV. GOD BLESS YOU GUYS ON FANTOM WORKS.

[@robertminter8810]

Thanks for coming back!! Best car show ever.

[@danielvick7875]

Safety and Common Sense will always prevail! I hope I've worked in restoration for many years and I've Bean cornered in so many different conversations LOL yes major arguments!

[@richardbrowne3641]

You guys had the power to steer me into the right parts while brake-ing me up with a edgemacation!

[@bat5917]

Absolutely great content! Loved you two hashing this out and getting your perspectives. I particularly enjoy your approach to function first, as cars should perform first and look nice second, or third.😅 Thanks for sharing and look forward to the final results. 🇺🇸

[@Fantomworks]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@acough07]

The Doc dream is this car, can't wait to see the follow up... Well done for your honesty!!

[@williammccabe3767]

I built a 66 Fastback, it was a factory 289 hipo, four speed, air and steer, poppy red with white trim. I fitted Borgeson steer to it, same as my ‘79 C3, never drove either before the conversion, but I do love the steering now

[@fredblogs]

🇬🇧 I would love a 66 Mustang but like you have said those parts NEED changing if only for safety and peace of mind. Love it.

[@weighit]

This will be enjoyable to watch the rebuild

[@billwalker8310]

Yes, 66 Mustangs had power brakes. They were drum only, Disc brake master cylinder and booster don't fit, but smaller drum master and booster fit.

[@troyblackwell3995]

I had a Mustang with a single master cylinder. While driving to work, in traffic, one morning, the front wheel cylinder blew out and I lost all my braking system. Thankfully, I was able to use the emergency brake to stop the car. It was white knuckle time for a few seconds. I never again drove a car with a single cylinder master braking system.

[@scottsosss]

"Leaks more than grandma at a nursing home" and "This car needs Depends" Too Funny 🙂

[@Mike583]

With the quicker ratio K code steering box,you don't need power steering! My '65 factory 289 hi-po,steered very quick & easy!

[@stagggerlee]

Back when I was in the USAF, a guy asked me to help him with his 66 fastback. It had a 289 with headers. It ran rough, in part because it had 3 brands of plugs, because the headers had to come loose get to all of them, and no one would do that. I took it around the block and realized it had virtually no brakes. A closer look revealed this was a 6 cylinder car that still had the 4 bolt 6 cylinder drums in front, and a 5 bolt rear axle, which explained the 2 spare tires in the trunk. I suggested he get rid of that disaster, or at the bare minimum replace the front spindles and brakes. I also made sure I left work after him, never before. Then I went to SEA (not the ocean), but that's another story.

[@daledavies2334]

I am a Ford guy, but the way to make a Ford run great is put some Chevy in it. I said that once to a fellow with a gorgeous Mercury Cyclone with the 429. Everything rebuilt. Went into the Wednesday evening cars and coffee and he was spouting off how he got it running real good by installing a Davis Unified ignition. That is when I unloaded the put some chevy in it. He is one of those excitable types, bounced off the ceiling a couple of times and got on the rant that that was Davis not the General. Davis or Performance Distributors machines a distributor body to fit the engine and use the GM HEI style ignition in the cap. For my 1966 289 that was a 2V engine, I am getting the heads redone to fit GM LS valves with 8mm stems. Intakes will go from 1.78" to 1.9" and the exhausts will go from 1.45" to 1.55". Some porting and combustion chamber work as per David Vizard. This is from my 1940 Ford Fordor Deluxe. It currently has a Pontiac axle in the rear but I intend to narrow a 8.8" and put 3.55 gears and traction lock in. Slowly working to spiff it up as it was done in the 1970's.

[@richkuban2027]

Owned a 66 Mustang fastback from 72-74. 289 with four speed, drum brakes and IIRC power brakes. Was able to put KONI shocks on it back then and improved the handling. Rockauto shows reman power booster.

[@nielgregory108]

I bet you would like, or at least be intrigued, by my Corvair. Got a twin-turbo 289 pushing close to 330 hp at the wheels in what looks like Grandma's Corvair.

[@paulelliott682]

Red Mustang : You can tell it's his pride and joy based on the exterior

[@sacooper802]

according to extensive research power brakes were available for 65-66 mustang, but i did see one footnote on option list for 65 mustang that v8 engines did not come with power brakes. yeah it can get confusing

[@mistress7343]

In 67 the Fairlane had a rag joint for power steering and a solid shaft for manual steering.

[@danielvick7875]

Hey Dan if he needs somebody in 60 years old and loves cars and has experienced to sweep your shop let me know I'm game !

[@Mike583]

I had a '66 fastback that was the same color. It had front disk brakes, but they weren't power brakes.

[@robertlane1634]

65 and up corvairs are great

[@kevinbrown1368]

My 1964 Mercury Comet Caliente (same chassis as the Mustang) has power brakes and a dual bowl master cylinder can be installed as can be front disc brakes.

[@1968fordman]

My 68 Fairlane 2 door hardtop had manual drums on it. I changed over to Granada manual disc brakes, they work great! I also have the power assist steering. Would love to change it to real power steering!

[@fredkaminski3668]

My 67 Fairlane has the solid steering shaft! It has manual steering.

[@markchapmon8670]

I had a '67 Buick GS340 and it had a dual reservoir master cylinder, but it didn't have a collapsible steering column. I agree that it wasn't '67 when the collapible column was mandated.

[@cheaptricked]

Now Dan, Nader’s issue with the Corvair was completely debunked…..the early Corvair’s suspension quirks were no different than similar vehicles like the Beetle and 911. When redesigned in ‘65, it was very similar to the ‘63 Corvette setup….and the Pininfarina styling was downright timeless. Corvair’s only fault was it was ten years too early; in the 70’s with new Viton sealing the car would have been perfect for the energy crisis. It was never designed to compete with the Mustang. What killed the Corvair was GM’s own Camaro. To each his own…love the show.😎🍺

[@glenclifton4563]

I agree. Corvairs were very close to being great cars. After the upgrades they could show how good they were but Nader was an ass and hurt the reputation of the car. The whole Chevy line for 67 ,68, and 69 was really good.

[@markchapmon8670]

I always thought the second generation 2 door Corvairs were the prettiest small cars ever made. Pretty sure the slim A pillars and C(?) pillars wouldn't get it past current rollover standards, but it was just gorgeous.

[@55azguy]

In agreement with P1 POWER BRAKES.

[@thetree7777]

Was wondering if you have checked the bushings on the front and those at the rear springs? I own a 65 coupe Original owner and have helped others with theirs and every time somewhere on those cars there was a really bad rubber bushing. My car has had nearly three sets at 650,000 miles. New bushings are much better than old. Also, though you would not do it, is to keep the drums and just remover the adjusters. Though you will need to adjust them manually maybe once or twice a year, it really improves the braking for those old style brakes. Also, do you know of anyone in the Rochester NY area that can work with an MGA? I can use some help in bleeding the brakes and clutch on the one I am working on and some tips on working with the Wipers and SU carbs? Thanks for your KZbin videos, they are a whole world better than the old show.

[@avenger1888]

The only issue I have with the upgrade is that the car is No longer original from the factory equipment. I get the point that your'e upgrading the car to be safe and that is understandable. I also get that back in the early 60's cars weren't exactly built people friendly but when someone does an upgrade makes the car nolonger factory built and shipped.

[@daledavies2334]

Back to the Depends. What is the owner looking for. Do they want a concours show car, a show and shine driver or a race oriented car. Upgrading the brakes or steering is no problem to me when a driver is the desired result. I do not like cutting up an original collector car to build a race car. For that find a rough car or get one of the reproduction bodies.

[@shermanbird3248]

Even Lee Iaccoca said in an interview that he would NOT drive the early Mustangs on the street... particularly because the gas tank IS the floor of the trunk, and would explode on rear impacts.

[@miketurpin4959]

I remember my dad saying he'd never own a Ford. He used to make people get out of his driveway if they came over with a Ford. Then one day I was over for a visit and he came home with a 2009 Lincoln. I said you do know that's a Ford product right? He said it drives like a Chevy.😂😂😂. One day he had the key fob in his pocket and somehow rolled all the windows down in a full out rain storm and had 3 inches of water in the floor. He was so mad. The rain even caused the leather to start peeling off the doors and dash.

[@bassiclymike]

sweet ride!

[@cuzz63]

Non power brakes work just fine if set up correct

[@P51]

Ford ABSOLUTELY put power brakes on 1966 Mustangs.

[@sacooper802]

fantom works think there the only ones who know what there doing...LOL

[@P51]

@@sacooper802 100%

[@brentolsen5005]

The owner can't be all that concerned about originality when he has an Edelbrock AVS carb on the thing. Super originality is great on a show car, but if you're going to drive it you owe it to every other motorist on the road to have an upgraded brake system.

[@richardelliott8352]

If I had to pay the bill, the mechanical stuff is so much cheaper and easier to find competent repair work, because of the artistic requirements needed for cosmetic repairs. those skills are in high demand, and one can pay a lot of money to the wrong worker if one doesn't research.

[@maples328]

PART of the Corvair issues were consumers ignored the type tire 🛞 & specific pressure requirements. Also they had zero experience driving a rear mounted engine car 🚙 & did not adjust their driving technique at all. It equally falls on Chevrolet to think 🤔 that consumers would do either of those things.

[@kevinkloker712]

Wow, Corvair bashing...🤭 I have fun with my 69 Monza coupe!

[@joanstehlik]

You could get power brakes on Falcons so I don't understand why not on the mustangs?🤔

[@gmc.joesousa4360]

Not a Ford Guy but some are nice . Early T birds too

[@justinbieber12373]

I always wanted a 66 Fastback but after GONE in 60 Seconds , everything was rust bucket for Crazy Money.. And that was 20 years ago.. today ?? Forgetabout it. 🍷

[@philroder4878]

Had a Corvair- Just a great car...Easy to work on...Issue was Americans didn't know how to drive a rear-engined car-The driving dynamics were different. Could have used a bit more suspension work. But...No body rips PORSCHE - and the driving dynamics were the same. Nader didn't even drive a car...

[@bobgrewe988]

Now how about ac. I live in FL and need ac. Would you do it, hypothetically?

[@badad0166]

Stay fully zoomed out and move in and out for framing. Zooming in magnifies the shakes.

[@Fantomworks]

Our priority when filming these is safety and NOT scratching cars or hurting anyone or anything! We are filming in a working shop.

[@badad0166]

@@Fantomworks Well, then, how about a gimble? Your shaky cam is the weakest link in an otherwise great production. I get seasick when stuff is in "Sensurround!" (Earthquake '74)...

[@stagggerlee]

Those are improvements in safety and drivability that will not detract from the beauty of the car, only from exact originality. None will be visible to most. If originality is paramount it will become a garage and trailer queen, and useful only in the visual mode. It was meant to be driven, safer is better. An LS swap meets none of the above, imho. I'm not sure the 67 steering column has much collapsing to it. 67 Fords all had that rather unattractive giant coffee mug in the center of the wheel, which I have always believed was meant to collapse on its way through your chest. My 68 did have the column with a slotted tube...miss the tv show, but I understand.

[@Fantomworks]

Thanks for your feedback! And we are creating more show-content - just on our own terms.

[@lindseythaemert4053]

Going to a hydroboost system it's the best way

[@davidnonnenmocher5122]

71 mustang had same pump

[@paulelliott682]

Did you notice how Chris said I love my Fords ( plural )

[@piche525]

I always appreciate a good work I always like watching your show I would really love for you to work on my car 1:28

[@Fantomworks]

Thank you! Check out our website if you are interested in submitting a project.

[@MG-iv9nw]

Chevy pump on a Ford? Depends really. But if any Mustang is near perfect, the Ford guys will go insane over the sacrilege of having only 99% Ford DNA in a car like this; needs to be 100% for the Fordies.

[@patwelter5092]

Ford power steering pumps whine like crazy. Saginaw is much better. Rebuild the 8 inch. It will be just fine with that small block.

[@ben68442]

I thought they were actually going to do something with the car.

[@fredericrike5974]

Aside from the gratuitous Corvair bashing- don't you know it's rude to speak ill of the dead?- it was another win for FW. Some engineering probs with the edit? Some of the discussion was chopped into periods of silence. Btw, the Corvair which was emerging just as Nader's book came along was all about making good on all those shortcomings- and no comments about known and also lamentable shorts with Falcon and it's cousin, just to be fair. Yes, the rules changed when Nader's book hit the shelves and Firestone, a subset of the Ford family investments, finally got into radial production. When you beat on these corporations for shoddy product, there is lots to go around- don't get me started on MOPAR wiring. Another bit of fun fact; the VW Beetle of the time had the same flaky, unreliable swing axle that Corvair did and not a mention was made. Nader wasn't exactly fair and balanced in his indictment.

[@shermanbird3248]

"Unsafe At Any Speed" was not levelled against the Corvair exclusively. It was a brilliant overview of the entire automotive industry and it's nasty proclivity to put profits first. Also, the beattitude of style and beauty being the first lines of consideration for a purchase of a car. Rambler, Nash, Hudson... and some others tried unsuccessfully to sell safety and durability to pragmatists. That didn't work out so well for them. Later on, after they all merged into AMC, The AMX came out, and was a huge success. It was too little too late.

[@paulelliott682]

You have to know your audience . LOL

[@number1pappy]

Dan gets views on his videos for the same reason Howard Stern got listeners on his radio show. They did a poll and found out most of his listeners hated him and only listened to hear what he'd say because he upset them so much. Lol! Same with Dan! You take a crew with really good auto tradesmen and interject a narcissistic, obnoxious, grating antagonist, and you wind up with a popular show! Just look at most of the really popular KZbin channels out there. They are hosted by some of the most obnoxious, grating narcissists out there. I, too, fall into the trap. As a car guy, i occasionally watch because his guys really know their stuff and are really good at their trades. The only issue is with Dan, who constantly corrects and talks over his employees. He is also constantly talking about how much money he is charging. I get it. Restoring old cars correctly is expensive. Most people understand you can't restore an old car correctly on the cheap. I laugh at people who constantly complain about his prices. Seriously, go out and try doing yourself! Lol! Dan also knows he should just ignore the people complaining, but he doesn't because he knows it causes controversy. Sadly, controversy gets views. It's a shame he can't just have a show about restoring old cars without all the fake controversy and drama. Sadly, it works, and this is a prime example of it...

[@chadashley1434]

Why did you take "God " out of your intro. I never imagined you'd bend the knee for anyone... GOD BLESS AMERICA AND GOD BLESS YOU!

[@piche525]

Dan, I gotta agree with you on the Corvair. It is an ugly car. You guys do great work. 0:31

[@The1saturn]

he milks every one for all he can get

[@raynavarra]

I actually enjoy these videos. But I will say, Dan at times seems to not appreciate the customers who actually come to him and pay his high repair bills. Yes, you have to pay for quality. But I think being humble is important in business too. When Dan says, I wanted to see if I would work on this customers car which meant, if you understand what he’s saying. Could I get enough out of him. Hopefully the owner of that 66 is getting everything HE WANTED. And not just what Dan wanted.

[@alparker8661]

Tell us this wasn't that wack job Larry that gave you hell years ago on his build and bail out.

[@MATMANPRO]

Always enjoyed FantomWorks..........But this Laurel and Hardy production....not so much.

[@jamespritchett1886]

Worse than the pinto.

[@petepete3389]

What a waste of time.