Peter Thiel Just Blew Joe Rogan’s Mind

[@farzyness]

Check out the full video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZ21k2OVd6aLb8ksi=TgfsaYbEKmAPokvw

[@glike2]

When it comes to the existential nature of climate, attacks on climate science by people like Peter Thiel really need to be fact-checked. Paul Beckwith's channel has reviewed several important recent papers that James Hansen wrote, and the more robust methodology that used than climate models. Certainly climate models need to be improved a lot because of the vast amount of computational resources they require and limited data because of cancellations of critical environmental satellites. People that support project 2025 are supporting an even more extreme cancellation of science that is dealing with an existential issue.

[@gregorykelly8000]

Why would we fear living with a superior being, unless our way of living can't or won't for some reason (imo law)???

[@bzb8554]

Please guys, try to tile a video with these words again: "Peter Thiel Just Blew.. Joe Rogan" 🙏

[@priyakulkarni9583]

ChatGPT 4 didNOT pass Turing test! This is what ChatGPT said!!😅😅 ChatGPT-4 has not definitively “passed” the Turing Test in the traditional sense. The Turing Test, proposed by Alan Turing in 1950, measures whether an AI can exhibit behavior indistinguishable from a human. While ChatGPT-4 and other modern AIs can engage in highly realistic and complex conversations, consistently fooling people into thinking they are human remains complex due to factors like nuanced emotional understanding, context retention across sessions, and true comprehension beyond pattern recognition. The nature of the Turing Test has evolved with AI advancements, as more specific benchmarks are developed to evaluate AI on ethical use, language capability, reasoning, and specialized tasks.

[@estherneiviller6293]

Perhaps we are being distracted by the idea of robots so we don’t realize that we are the ones being turned into robots…

[@christophercook9745]

we have been robots since the roman times just no one realises it

[@AzUniverzumUraesParancsoloja]

@@estherneiviller6293 I liked the idea that we are already cyborgs. How? If no implants are in our brain? The implant is the mobile phone in our hand which is not inserted in our brain, but it is constantly in our hands as if it would be part of our body! If it is a part of our body what we continuosly use then we are already a kinda’ cyborg.

[@Tiasung]

Spot on.

[@nunya3399]

We are literally turning into robots. Ai is an extension of human intelligence and once we can get away with replacing human jobs with it we will, but as an extension of human intelligence it will be the new us. We all die after one lifetime anyway so without a faith, it shouldn’t matter.

[@jgarbo3541]

With very bad software. Lots of bugs...

[@hardyvonwinterstein5445]

'Nothing has changed'. I'm 72 and as a Dutch toddler I remember the milkman came by every morning with a horse and cart, just after the baker's horse and cart had left. The junk was picked up by horse and cart and people would collect the horses dump off the road. Think of nowadays Amish culture. Today, Tesla's drive up and down. Everybody has a powerful computer in his pocket. Rockets are launched and landed faster than you can stay interested. I can do all my standard business with the government, with a few clicks or swipes. The Jetsons were my reference point and I still haven't given up hope to fly my own saucer.

[@billyrio3767]

Well, nowadays, the Amish can drive Tesla like Cybertruck instead of the horse and buggy and power their house from the truck, coming full circle as it can be powered from the solar panels on their roof. They are only prohibited from using the grid.

[@needparalegal]

Old man, Europe was still recovering from WWII. In the US horse drawn buggies were extinct by 1930. Of course we had Ford, so we developed much faster than Europe.

[@evergreennj8950]

@@needparalegal I saw a horse-drawn cart in Beijing in 2007. A few weeks later, I was in the Shanghai Maglev traveling at 431 kph. To this day in 2024, I've not traveled faster on any other land vehicle. That was before the iPhone was officially launched in 2007. Yes, I'm an old man too. I recall the late Charlie Munger once said he liked the Chinese because they show a lot of respect to the elderly.

[@fireballfpv1207]

Thank you for the perspective

[@iandavies4853]

Jeez, I guess your mum was a looker! ;-)

[@user-ck5yq8xl3p]

I kinda had it enough with all the click bait titles and thumbnails, 1 more and I unsubscribe

[@user-ck5yq8xl3p]

@@ByronBennett I don't want to see it in my subscription tab, only way to eliminate it is to unsubscribe.

[@Learned333]

@@user-ck5yq8xl3p What happened to @ByronBennett? Why was he censored? Bring him back KZbin.

[@ede_blkronin]

Right on.

[@user-ck5yq8xl3p]

I unsubscribed by the way, saw a thumbnail with "it's over".

[@user-ck5yq8xl3p]

@@Learned333 have no clue, he might have deleted his comment.

[@cytuber]

I always love hearing billionaires telling 'the world' they can't lift their standard of living because the world can't cope.

[@sigma_six]

Sure, and it's always the same asking price... your first born... and an arm or a leg

[@pipi-mj5zi]

if you aren't an anarchist, then you are part of the problem you complain about.

[@jwadaow]

You didn't understand that he is making the opposite point, attributing the Malthusian calculus to the people you give your votes to.

[@TheVeritas2100]

***** telling 'the world' they can't lift their standard of living because the world can't cope. **** Thiel is actually a HARD REALIST, just stating what the REALITY is .... - very refreshing compared to ( billionaire) idiots like GATES, or BEZOS, or ZUCKENBERG who want to "Save the Planet" - LOL !

[@TheVeritas2100]

@@jwadaow Malthus was CORRECT ! - but he forgot about the GLOBAL WARS for RESOURCES, which always naturally follow ... ( we have not passed the problem of wars ... , yet ! 🙂 )

[@particleconfig.8935]

Rogan’s mind is always blown😂

[@Frontslider]

Too many blows to the head in MMA

[@ormonde2007]

He needs to find some better pot😊

[@gamkal7231]

None of you watched it, apparently.

[@digilifepro]

@@particleconfig.8935 Very true. That's bc he's always high lmao

[@DROPTHEGRID]

Second that. You beat me to it.

[@jamesrobinson7381]

When I was a boy in the 60s I watched cartoons like the Jetsons and thought wow by the 1980s we're gonna having flying cars! Now I am in my 60s and I have to ask, "Hey where's my flying cars?"

[@nunyabidness3075]

@@jamesrobinson7381 The FAA killed small aircraft innovation in many ways. That innovation is needed for flying cars, but light aircraft still mostly use the same engines from the sixties.

[@martymcfly6411]

What he's actually saying is. "Why hasn't his happiness increased" And that Is because happiness does not come from the outside

[@btodd777]

@@martymcfly6411 well enough food, shelter and health care seems to help mine

[@rickrussell4794]

"Happiness does not come from outside" It always seemed odd to me that the people who think they are smart don't know this.

[@kenmccarthy9037]

"The computer can fool you into thinking it knows what it's talking about" That's the "great accomplishment" of AI.

[@maxhugen]

People like Trump and Thiel - and many others - can do that too.

[@TheKarlslok]

@@kenmccarthy9037 You cant even fool us that you know anything about ai. What an accomplishment.

[@BeautifuLakesStreamsBiologists]

Half-wits are already doing that to quarter-wits on social media. People hear something that sounds "good" and suddenly they are convinced of some story that has no basis in real science. These are the people who " believe in science". Of course this is the cancer of social media.

[@MisterB123]

Someone complained about this video's title. I want to share an important message, and I want to hear any contrasting perspectives. If @Farzad sees this, I'm also curious how he views my statement. The problem is not the creators, it's the algorithmic incentives. Insisting your favorite creators not use dramatic titles is like insisting insisting they never do the very thing that allowed you to discover them to begin with. Without satisfying the algorithm, let's say the income a creator feeds their family with goes down 70%. If they followed your demands, the very platform you're browsing would never let you find them to begin with. Worst still, since they'd have never even developed robust enough legs for you to cut out from under them using your instruction, they'd most likely stop providing us valuable updates and insight altogether and just find a different job to feed their families. The creators are not the problem. It's the algorithmic incentive incentive structure that the system is forcing them at gunpoint to satisfy. Creators love the gunbarrel of the algorithm as much as you like the gunbarrel of taxes. And yet, here we all stand, forced to satisfy arbitrary systems at the threat of our families' despair if we choose not to give in. So, when you decide to stop satisfying BS Income Tax law, he'll decide to stop satisfying BS KZbin Algorithm law, and you'll both get crushed together. Let the creator provide us all value with a grounded understanding that he's doing so in a flawed system. I like it a much as you do, but in a sea of BS titles, you and I are lucky enough to have found a title with actual quality content behind it. Let's take the win and move on. Otherwise, go to war with KZbin, not creators. And, if you do, good luck.

[@MisterB123]

@@TomasAngelus So, just to clarify, is it bs because you don't think KZbin actually reinforces an environment that incentivizes overly dramatic titles and thumbnails and punishes creators who don't participate? Or, do you also believe that KZbin does this, but you feel it's bs because, despite the conditions, creators should still reject the pressure to participate in it?

[@MisterB123]

@@TomasAngelus That's the problem though. You're smart enough that you don't need the clickbait titles because you actually want to learn. In congested spaces, like anything to do with Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, or politics, for example, a creator will starve to death if they only appeal to people who actually want to learn. Just like elections, if creators only appealing to the thoughtful people and not accounting for the smooth brains that need stimulation to hold their attention, and they'll get buried under the sea of successful tabloid channels that KZbin elevates. Am I wrong?

[@sebastiantevel898]

This post has not got enough thumbs up.

[@RandomButBeautiful]

comment of the year.

[@RandomButBeautiful]

It's been this way for a long time, too. I learned in 2007 that Google does not reward "quality content" - because an algorithm cannot any more determine quality than it can smell a rose. They created a flawed, artificial determinant of quality using "signals that things of quality tend to give off", however this artifice led directly to a scenario in which gaming the system (SEO) became more profitable than creating quality content. While also telling everyone to be good kids and create quality content. All the big platforms are doing it. The key takeaway for the content creator is that you have to wear both hats - deliver quality content AND play the game.

[@stevenmorales3745]

Thiel is the guy bank rolling J D Vance....

[@danbaron9094]

Yep. He's obviously a brilliant mind, but he seems like a living contradiction.

[@2bLackCats1989]

lucky for JD Vance. a win for the GOP.

[@abstuct1015]

@@danbaron9094 Well put.

[@sigma_six]

Then maybe there is still hope after all... here is a man who has truly seen the writing on the wall...

[@akaemzett]

@@danbaron9094maybe you’re less brillant than people have told you?

[@chrisrichardson8988]

Rich, powerful, presumably intelligent and obviously disingenuous. People must understand their constitutional position that this life is a temporary experience.

[@MaroshMoncek]

Pardon my ignorance, but how was 'this' mind-blowing???

[@Peter.F.C]

@@MaroshMoncek Clickbait... Nothing insightful said... Waste of time...

[@dimmmmmmmm]

the editing out of "you know" from these appearances is certainly "not over" for you fardad

[@stevewebster973]

If Peter Thiel believes the differential greenhouse effect of methane and CO2 has not been studied & calibrated that’s his ideologically driven deficiency, not a problem in climate science.

[@RandomButBeautiful]

are you saying that there is not a problem with climate science?

[@stevewebster973]

@ There are uncertainties in every science. Only religions claim to know the final truth. And every science is vulnerable to misinterpretation and meddling by politicians and corporations. I don’t see a problem in the fundamental fact that more CO2 causes an atmosphere to hold more heat. That was demonstrated at lab scale in the 1850s. I certainly see a problem in claiming to know the future ~ this is a living planet, dynamic and unpredictable. One big problem I see in mainstream climate science is a tendency to understate the speed of change to appease the governments who fund them and allow those governments to propose bullshit solutions aimed at bullshit goals like net zero. I think the change in the planet and our lifestyles is going to be massive. What problem do you see in climate science ?

[@stevewebster973]

@ what’s the problem you see ?

[@markp4967]

"Experts "can stop using the term "Godlike intelligence ". God is wisdom. intelligence is just a computer...

[@sigma_six]

It's all been and endless incessant play on words... you can no longer separate out the marketing from the technology...

[@akaemzett]

What makes superintelligence godlike is that humans will not understand the way it thinks, just like we can’t understand why god does certain things.

[@DavidSchaller]

They believe the left brain-hemisphere is GODLIKE. Ai Copys humans in a binary way. 0 and 1s. No intuition, no emotions, no dreams....but a hyperintelligent computer.

[@RandomButBeautiful]

@@akaemzett can we even understand the way that WE think? Worse; perhaps we only think that we are thinking ;)

[@ryantrimble356]

The more you rely on AI as a servant, the more it is your master.

[@tedg1609]

Every self-proclaimed genius feels a need to stake out opinions outside the norm. This guy pretending to be an expert on climate change is just “I’m special”hubris personified.

[@JayCWhiteCloud]

How is sharing insightful observation hubris?

[@colinpalmer9070]

@@JayCWhiteCloud. Did not share useful information. Actually missinformation regarding the level of science. We know the impacts of co2 versus methane. We have thousands of satellites measuring atmospheric emissions and real scientists studying this at a robust level. This is grade A missinformation.

[@andrasbiro3007]

​@@JayCWhiteCloud No insight there, just rejecting science. He's not entirely wrong, he has a few good points, but he's mostly wrong.

[@seandelaney1700]

Indeed. It is because the experts and the norm are often wrong, it takes deeper thinkers using history.

[@dennykeaton9701]

He is a multi Billionaire, so he's not exactly stupid.

[@jamesscott8962]

My wife is Australian and when we visited there back in the 2000's I remember how the nightly news report had a segment similar to how we have weather, but it was called the "Sustainability Report" and what they did was discuss innovations and regulations that would improve sustainability for their nation. I think every country should have that.

[@LeonieBachmann-h7x]

Thanks, Farzad. The WEF is everywhere.

[@JayCWhiteCloud]

13:47...I read that the year it came out and taught a class section on it. Wonderful and insightful reading still today...

[@Learned333]

Next university degree is going to be Hyperbole Science: The science that will be Literally 100X better for humanity 🤣 "Do you like to say the world literally a lot? Then consider a career in the exciting field of Hyperbole Science!"

[@cryptoniteclark]

Interesting perspective. However, "maybe it's cows' flatulence"? It isn't possible for cows to create new carbon dioxide; they eat grass, which has absorbed carbon dioxide. This is a short term cycle, which repeats, but there is no net-addition of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere.

[@davidmulligan1761]

Growing up i thought by now we'd have an outpost on mars, driving flying cars, and everyone would be living on cheap abundant nuclear power. This video was very spot on about the lack of true progress in my lifetime.

[@HazeOfWhearyWater]

Thiel's company, Palantir, is a huge threat to human freedom but it never gets talked about. People have never heard of it.

[@rxshred]

No it’s NOT! Palantir mission statement is to protect freedom and Western values. You need to do a deep dive into the company before you spew nonsense.

[@HazeOfWhearyWater]

@@rxshred _"Palantir mission statement is to protect freedom."_ The Devil disguises himself as an Angel of light. Palantir is the *Total Information Awareness* program resurrected into private hands so it can do all of the nasty things it couldn't do as a government program.

[@jdean2131]

@@HazeOfWhearyWater Ok…interesting….but how is it a threat to human freedom? I know it tracks…but so does everything else….even the car you drive and the phones we use…..

[@HazeOfWhearyWater]

@@jdean2131 I can't see my second comment anymore. Was it deleted? Can you see it?

[@jdean2131]

@@HazeOfWhearyWater Yeah I’ve noticed the same thing with some of my comments. I’ll look for it. I’m just curious to hear different point of view…because we do have tech oligarchs in this country….and yes that is dangerous.

[@LovetheTesla]

Hopefully everybody knows by now cows cannot fart, they would die

[@cryptokids3760]

He’s wrong about one thing. The Turing test can’t be used on chat gpt until it has a body and can trick you visually as well.

[@Sgwaos]

I wonder what Thiel would think if a climate scientist started lecturing him on how to invest or run businesses. Love how climate deniers know better than the climate experts. Also love Thiels argument that climate science is not science because the word is in the name - brilliant, incontrovertible proof

[@akaemzett]

Investors are generally immediately punished if they are wrong, publicly funded and politically pampered „scientists“ can keep up a scam for decades.

[@shamusenright5387]

Yes. Measurement and analysis of the data produced by measurement is at the heart of a lot science. How is measurement and analysis of temperature, humidity, precipitation, carbon etc. not science?

[@HerbisRGreen]

Any conversation about the climate/weather that does not include the sun is a non-starter.

[@andrasbiro3007]

Scientific models include it obviously. Only amateurs forget about it, on both sides of the debate.

[@DJAutoload]

Any conversation that does not also discuss geo engineering is a non starter

[@christophercook9745]

especially page 3

[@koltoncrane3099]

Andras Experts forget about the sun all the freaking time. They may mention solar max and mins but they rarely mention that Kansas was 115 degrees during the Great Depression. The mid west was as hot as Vegas or phoneix if ya think about it. Then they blame the dust bowl on farms dry farming. Yes farmers totally should have planted native grasses and stop planting and tilling and let grasses hold in top social. But the big issue is it was so hot it’s going to have huge ecological or environmental destruction.

[@Purplebass]

Stop getting your climate change info from people who aren’t scientists. people with PhD’s in science almost unanimously agree that humans have accelerated climate change

[@ktsig287]

She blinded me with science

[@cornfusedatbest3980]

@@ktsig287 ... poetry in moootion ...

[@s_kokkalis]

If get house robots that actually work in the next 5 years along with full self-driving cars then i'll conisder it living in the future.

[@lreeher]

You won't be needed.

[@thomaslgill]

Really brilliant edit of a conversation that was difficult to follow in original from - thank you

[@danielmadison4451]

Are you crazy? Can't you see the acceleration? From basic AI to Super AI is a blink of the eye.

[@JayCWhiteCloud]

I would suggest you need to step back a lot further from the topic than just one element to form a metric if looking at advancement collectively...Which is what is taking place in this conversation...

[@nobillismccaw7450]

Nah. More than 10 years, and there’s still nothing smarter on Earth than a human.

[@martyp7401]

@danielmadison4451 super a.i? But what is that exactly? It might be great at logic and retaining information but there is an essence in humans that a.i will never be able to reach. It's juust overhyped like everything to get investors. But super a.i or agi is a load of crock.

[@curtis545454]

Really great segment. We used to think the future would have flying cars, moon bases, smart clothing, hoverboards, pills for food, etc. etc. The idea of looking at your phone in a 100 year old subway sums it up perfectly. It just became too hard to make big changes in physical things, and so small changes have won out. These huge physical changes haven't happened, but are starting to now. When everything ARK Invest and Tony Seba talk about start to happen... Those will be huge changes to our physical world. For everyone mad at him... Take in the ideas and do what you want with them. He's not 100% right, but his ideas made me think. That's the important part.

[@Barskor1]

Big changes just take the government getting the FUCK out of the way such as the New York subway could be completely rebuilt in 10 years and improved with Boring Company tunnels but the strangle everything to maintain their power.

[@JayCWhiteCloud]

@@Barskor1 Waiting for a the Liberatory Party to catch up and shrink government (aka drain the swamp) will help with the part of "getting the F__K out of the way!" I'm not a big "capitalist" supporter, but it is the best current alternative to our type of normative culture and human behavior, but it actually has to be a "free market" and not manipulated as often as it is...If a bank fails...it fails...if academia is not working as it doesn't now...if fails too. Giving Boeing huge contracts for rockets that don't work and inviting them to meeting while you ignore the guy that is the leader in the world on the topic is both obtuse and bad business, as well as, bad government combined...

[@jeffholman2364]

@@Barskor1 Nearly every aspect of life has changed in the last 30 years and in general we've just rolled with it like its nothing. Los Angeles had an amazing train based transport system, and there were street cars all over California cities. Boring tunnels could have been additive to Los Angeles trains. But they were ditched within 10 short years since they were private and no government system or transit standards were there to protect them. There was an entrance to the abandoned tunnel system in downtown Los Angeles when I worked on building a high rise office tower there. We just closed it up (didn't fill up everything with concrete or rubble) and left it with the idea that it would be there if anyone ever wanted to use it! We are a great country for "throwing the baby out with the bath water" when we want to solve problems, or see a chance to make a lot of money. But, do you really want to erase everything that has already been done? To have all the "old" things from our urban areas down to barn finds in rural places, tossed in the dump - - - - that could be museum quality, gold standard treasures of the future, only to be seen ever again on a hologram? Thiel is super smart, but he's not the only one.

[@Learned333]

Also knowledge being removed and made secret by elite hoarders and erasures of knowledge, the "we forget to get to the moon" theory.

[@paddymatter6255]

We know exectly what effect we have our planet since 1860.

[@Tpb247]

Stop listening to these old billionaires, use your own critical thinking

[@kamu747]

Old? If you think hes old then You must be very young. When you get older you'll realize how silly that statement was. I've been there, the folly of Young hood: the young tend to think they've figured it out... lol. Ok, yes, always use your critical and comprehensive thinking skills but keep in mind that using critical thinking requires listening to all, young, old, poor and wealthy. All sources of information are valuable.

[@mjt1517]

@@Tpb247 part of critical thinking is to be open to information sources that you may normally shun because of your foolish biases.

[@jdean2131]

@@Tpb247 Exactly! Very Good 👍🏼

[@WalterStephens-r8t]

Listening is a good thing. Agreeing, entirely another..

[@Tpb247]

@@kamu747 he is much older than me but definitely i am not 'very' young! I am old enough to know who is old and who is young. If you are in his age group, sorry but you are old.

[@nelsonortiz2768]

I read about this when I was 12 years old in the 60s and popular science and popular mechanic. It’s so weird it mention intelligence helping humans it’s amazing how much came through in my lifetime heck I remember Dick Tracy with the cell phone and his wrist.

[@JasonSmith-ej2fg]

Artificial intelligence has NEVER passed the Turing test. No one will ever think a robot is human. Talking online - maybe, but in person - NEVER.

[@thegiggler2]

AI had been so discredited over the years that the only area of success was expert systems for recommending medicine doses and such up until LLMs

[@peterson6824]

Wow, Thiel's speech is unusual in his pace. At x1.5 speed, there's an undulating rhythm I've not heard elsewhere (I normally watch vids at x1.75 speed, sometimes more or less...if I want normal speed I go x1.25 because YT MUST be slowing all vids cuz toxins in air & food are dumbing down the general public). I'm guessing Thiel is thinking of his next thing he's going to say while he's speaking his current (or last) thought. GENERALLY: -have thought -put it into words in your mind -speak those words out loud MOST PEOPLE: -have thought/response -which leads to next thought [interjection: this is normally called a stream of consciousness when you're just thinking to yourself, but putting thoughts into words with complete sentences is a whole 'nother matter, and here we have an actual conversation, and not just Thiel giving a monologue, but he's responding to Joe's constant interjections/inquiries, which makes Thiel even more amazing in how he can continue his rhythmic (quick witted) replies without barely missing a beat. (apologies for tangent/digression but not spending all day to edit this to figure where it would fit best LOL)] One possible scenario of THIEL'S INTERVIEW HERE : -have thought/response -put first thought/reply into words -start thinking on next thought -while at the same time speaking the 1st thought -PAUSE [due to interviewer speaking, or just so he can put next thought into words (but more likely just to give listeners a chance to absorb what he just said before he continues LOL)] -put 2nd thought into words -start thinking of 3rd thought -while at the same time speaking the 2nd thought Of course in chess, he's probably thinking 20 moves ahead, but you get the gist. ;) Just an idea. Anyone see this? LOL (There's already 293 comments from this vid published 11 days ago.) If so, you gotta listen at 1.5x speed to hear Thiel's rhythm, of which I speak. Ok, back to life, or doom scrolling, or both. CHEERS! :)

[@wbay96]

Check the size of his pupils...chemical enhancement to facilitate discussion on the show?

[@rc6251]

Thiel made an astute observation at the end of this video, when he suggests that the motivation for the anti-capitalism movement (cloaked as an anti-energy movement) in the US/Europe was Malthusian. It began in the 60s as a reaction to nuclear energy and concerns over the impact of energy production on the environment, received its long-term propulsion from the general idea of a global economy with quality of life standardized across the globe. That accented the problem of sustainable energy production for this to occur. Neither oil nor nuclear seemed to pass the test. Renewables, alone, are not sufficient. The only alternative, until something like fusion reactors are practical, is to scale back the standard of living for everyone in US and Europe, to counter China's huge leap forward in standard of living since the 80s and the tandem increase in energy production.

[@cxa011500]

Saying "engineering" was a bad field to go into sounds out of touch. Thay may not have been growing industries, but compared to almost all other fields, almost ANY type of engineering discipline has always been at the top.

[@lasttyme2748]

My grocer told me, Kamala said we don't need farms, we have grocery stores. 🙈🙉🙊🤣

[@patrickmcguinness1363]

Powerful point that the world of atoms hasn't advanced technologically while the world of bits has. If we can turn that around, by using AI to radically improve other technologies, then it will be a significant leap forward for humanity.

[@Jon.......]

Producer: how do you get the audio un-synced with the video by simply downloading copyrighted material w/o permission? TD

[@alanwhite1988]

Energy efficiency is the great untapped resource that few people are talking about.

[@KITLEVEY]

That may be because there is so much money in inefficiency.

[@adramseyer]

Joe doesn't understand why Bill Gates knows that planting trees can't solve the CO2 problem! Really?? Does this guy ever read and calculate?

[@richardalexander5758]

Joe Rogan's mind doesn't require more than slightest breeze to be scattered.

[@erikmoore7402]

It would've meant rockets? You mean like self landing rockets?

[@207512386]

Never realised how much I agree with Thiel, never thought I disagreed on a lot, just never realised.

[@heyitsanthony6366]

Peter Theil opines with equal certainty subjects he knows very little about as subjects he’s an expert in. 😂 Dunning -Kruger effect .

[@glike2]

Agree, his takes on climate science are garbage. The science is solid. Peter Thiel is a fool, certainly ignorant about a lot of stuff because he is focused on making money. It was a great example of why we need more tax on the super rich.

[@heyitsanthony6366]

@@glike2 I disagree with both of your points but i appreciate your comment! 😊

[@Barskor1]

How long does it take to become an expert? 10,000 hours before modern innovations made gathering and understanding information easy so yes anyone can be well informed with just 100 hours of time per subject.

[@heyitsanthony6366]

if you watch the longer discussion peter makes a statement about psychedelics and joe immediately corrections him about it actually enhancing dexterity and awareness. Peter clearly has zero minutes and zero seconds worth of experience or knowledge on this yet still makes an assertion with confidence which immediately makes me wonder about what else is he saying thats nonsense. I’m not saying all he’s saying is nonsense but people who do this immediately get a credibility downgrade.

[@JayCWhiteCloud]

@@heyitsanthony6366 "...joe immediately corrections him about it actually enhancing dexterity and awareness..." And you believe Joe on this? Sorry, not a source to take on what psychedelics can or can not enhance regardless of how badly he would like to justify his use of them as making humans "better."

[@RedMeatSoda]

Applying the term SCIENCE does not lessen goals. It's an example of LOGOMACY - an example statement that we would have no crime if we have no criminal law and that we can eliminate crimes by merely abolishing criminal law. logomachy. -noun, plural lo·gom·a·chies. a dispute about or concerning words.

[@nick1f]

I think it will take a lot less than 2 decades for people and for AI to find its place in society. The smarter AI becomes, the more useful it will be and it can even bootstrap itself by giving people advice on how to use it more effectively. The next ten years in my opinion will bring an explosive growth of AI contribution in all areas of society. I don't think it will evolve as slowly as the internet did in the early 2000's.

[@marc18hro]

Great interview with Peter Thiel.

[@knaraya936]

Asimov’s three laws of robotics were narrated in the 50s so Asimov was closer to the Turing test filter in those days. So if you put chatGPT into a mechanical robot you have Asimov’s first Robot.

[@ketnaa]

I disagree with a lot of what mr.Thiel said. His own words of not enough atom progress falls short, by a LOT. And a lot of it using LLMs as well. Medicine, weather models, etc. Yes traffic hasn't progressed, cars have. That's a systems issue, not materials. Just look at aerogel, carbon nanotubes,...

[@ketnaa]

plus, the progress of computer science is actually HUGELY been dependent on the actual 'atom' progress like litography for example? :)

[@ketnaa]

climate science is not science? Perhaps he hasn't seen weather simulation and prediction models.

[@AaronNGray]

"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public"

[@TheAlpha287]

I guess he hasn’t been to japan 🇯🇵 or Singapore 🇸🇬

[@jasonn5196]

Claude is more believable but pretending it isn’t computer generated responses is still difficult. In a slowed down chat setting it might fool people that didn’t know it was computer generated. If it initiated conversations that challenged people to think, then I would say it had passed the Turing test.

[@ColbyAzimuth]

I wish I had made ChatGPT summarize this video in 1 paragraph. All 16 minutes of slogging could have be more clearly communicated in 1 minute, making my time 16x better used. Sigh. I want my youtube ChatGPT.

[@Learned333]

You can't have a complete discussion about planet warming without mentioning undersea volcanic activity in the oceans, and solar flares from the sun. Two things human beings have zero control over.

[@ormonde2007]

@@Learned333 have you assumed that climate scientists have neglected to consider the natural system of the "carbon cycle?"

[@vikombucha]

b-roll stock footage in this video sucks... info is good - just keep the interview as it is ;)

[@justingriffin2546]

Peter 'Palantir' Thiel will be one of the smartest people in the AI negative timeline... i thank God i'm not that dumb. he ain't no Bucky Fuller who loved humanity.

[@tasd5673]

🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺 down under QlD “Wifey “😂you done a great job of the edit I have to say it again. Hope bubs well. Keep going Farzad

[@JasonSmith-ej2fg]

The Touring test has NEVER been passed, love and respect Peter, but there has NEVER been a computer that fooled any human into thinking it was a real person.

[@ibopwebop]

Most folks who support Fracking don't even know what its environmental impact.

[@smurththepocket2839]

Some fuzzy facts are giving at the end. The GWP for methane is actually modellized and measured by chemists and physicists, both with the radiative efficiency and the atmospheric lifetime...

[@ianbeauregard2066]

The political use of the term “climate change” is distinctively misleading. It is provocative in the worse way, not to inspire but rather to divide. The climate is constantly changing on global scales and with weather. We must reconfigure our basis platform of climate concerns to be oriented solely around the health of humans. Such as the soil, air, and water qualities first and foremost. Once these are readjusted to optimize health and economics, we can begin our concern for the heating of the planet. But humans must first be put in a position to be the most effective to help the environment. He has a broad spectrum of perspective around the changing climate and this is what is most important

[@dollarsbeold3366]

The thunderstorm generator could fix this problem if it's even real.

[@thekingofallblogs]

Joe rogan didn't bother to address or even learn what gates was saying about planting trees to reduce co2. The problem is that 1. Trees sequester very little carbon, so would not be enough and 2. Trees life cycle releases carbon that they store, so it wouldn't make a difference long term.

[@carensimon4236]

The Neil Degrasse Tyson quote that best applies to Rogan... “One of the great challenges in this world is knowing enough about a subject to think you're right, but not enough about the subject to know you're wrong.”

[@eagle1ear]

The real issue of tree planting is that we have disturbed the balance of nature and very much need to improve the balance: How many trees there are compared to land with few or no trees. It's not simply a matter of sequestering carbon, it's also a matter of moderating temperature enough that human and animal life can be easily dealt with.

[@nedhill1242]

Peter touched on 2 of Joe's Holy Grails regulation and climate change. Get's Joe fired up despite the facts not supporting his brainwashed views. Weed being safe and perfectly fine is another one.

[@StellarLightingSystems]

Bravo. A true intellectual who can see .

[@ask_sigma6]

Finally caught what was bugging me... Rogan is your "average Joe" who made good, smarter than average, open minded, funny, dedicated athlete/entertainer... Thiel was trying to explain the difference between science and pseudo science... to know fundamental scientific methodology first and foremost, to have done specific work, according to its very stringent protocols... Thiel understands this... it went over Rogan's head there a bit (he's too 'marketing' oriented)

[@beaububbles]

Environmental Science - It's not one of any of those things. It's all of those things and more.

[@greg5726]

Peter's views are fairly extreme and Rogan is not up to holding him to account

[@davidfsanabria]

100% agree with Thiel. I worked in space propulsion and aerospace for about 8 years, on cutting edge of physical development. We had so many "paper" designs that never had the funding to finish beying small texh demonstrations to Uncle Sam. The idea that computer science was untethered and free to run is fascinating. I always found the conceot of "technology" companies being google and apple instead of the folks developing rockets and satellites baffling, but Thiel's idea that these were stagnated and obviously so - is fascinating and reflectively correct.

[@andrasbiro3007]

Aerospace was never really private, it grew out of military projects. Stagnation is simply caused by lack of demand from the military. But now there's true private space industry (SpaceX), and progress is lightning fast again. Nuclear energy has the same problem, plus Big Oil lobbying and proliferation fears. Rocket companies weren't considered "tech" because they didn't develop rockets, just kept building them with 60's tech. The craziest example is when they found decades old engines in a half collapsed Russian warehouse, and American rockets flew with them, because theirs were inferior.

[@lreeher]

So you agree with anthropic climate change.

[@danbaron9094]

"No Bucks, No Buck Rogers!" - Ed Harris as John Glenn in The Right Stuff.

[@glr]

What is he even talking about? Computer science by the 90s, at least, was hardcore math, theory and engineering. As proof of it being "science," I emerged knowing about computation, complexity theory and hardware theory, and not knowing anything about software engineering. It was harder than math and physics, not easier, because it involved mastery of everything. I couldn't afford the luxury to get a leisurely philosophy, math or physics degree doing who-knows-what, when I could get a computer science degree and know that I could be hired.

[@eagle1ear]

Peter Thiel holds an interesting intellectual ecosystem in his head. He seems to think that the rest of us should simply wait until he figures it all out before any action is taken. Maybe he should move to Florida, buy a lot of real estate and some insurance company stock as he considers the theoretical aspects of his world view.

[@renjit9044]

Next Episode: Peter Thiel actually blows Joe Rogan

[@brendan9698]

I didn't know Joe Rogan had a mind to blow. He just agrees with any bullshit his guests spout.

[@denniss1211]

No AI device should have a head/face that looks anyway like a person .... we MUST know we are interacting with a non-human .... NO HEADS !!!!! We (humans) must start making the rules !

[@chrisaustin6255]

The over population thought is now a myth, we are in the opposite situation where many continents are facing underpopulation

[@agrxdrowflow958]

You made Thiel coherent. What is this magic?

[@bigkap110]

Hit the nail on the head, physical world stagnated, virtual world exploding

[@YouriCarma]

So a guy who can't remember his first biology lesson in which you learn that CO2 is breathed by plants to create us Oxygen and tells us that he doesn't question the CO2 climate scam, is a bit suss in my opinion.

[@tallbudha]

What is Theil talking about? We do indeed know that methane is like 10x worse of a greenhouse gas than CO2.

[@needparalegal]

Thiel is just saying that Climate Science is all lies, he didn't make any definitive judgement past that.

[@JayCWhiteCloud]

@@needparalegal I didn't take it that he was stating it is all lies at all...Just not as accurate as so many seem to think it is. I think his underlying message is also the fact that "climate changes" regardless of our existence. This planet has been tropical for much more of its existence than it has been colder.

[@needparalegal]

@@JayCWhiteCloud He said it was fake science, how much truth is in fake science?

[@colinpalmer9070]

@@JayCWhiteCloudyup. Normal variation has already caused mass extinctions. But human accelerated warming is producing a climate that we are not resilient to. If you don’t understand that ……..

[@jeffholman2364]

@@needparalegal Oh, good lord, does anybody believe him? Is it called physical science because its fake? Or is it because those words combine a lot of disciplines like physics, astronomy, chemistry and geology? Social science is fake, or combines psychology, sociology and economics? Climate science...people from many disciplines? And of course his go to theory is; those areas of engineering are illegal!!!! Gimme a break...

[@leeali4096]

The real question... Was Joe Rogan left SPEECHLESS? If not then the video isn't worth it.

[@jaredrobillard7971]

Awesome video! Thanks

[@fernandodeallende8074]

Just because some people got very lucky and made millions, that does to mean that everything they say has to be given special attention. This guy does not add anything relevant to what is common knowledge about AI already and here his buddy Rogan is asking him like his opinion and comments are really important.

[@johnfrancispederson]

Peter Thiel wants to reinvent the wheel everything is a computer when you think about it

[@ScottStokes-y2d]

Until AI can develop feelings it will never become sentient.

[@markmarsh27]

A chihuahua fart has more than enough energy to "blow Joe Rogan's mind" to smithereens.

[@albertalakeland]

Engineering is the "branch: of science and technology concerned with the design, building, and use of engines, machines, and structures. We still have much to learn from the other branches of science before we manipulate our life support system.

[@jaafaruomeizashuaibu1394]

I am glad that I am part and witnessed these revolutions, even if I don't know why or who built the pyramids of Giza....

[@adamplona9438]

History channel, "syberian pyramid experiments" .. and a guy builds his own pyramid to test on. "Negative Green"!!! real or not? I don't know... cutting edge science, or just fake? I want to know more too. Is Negative Green built into the Giza pyramid... it's a healing pyramid, not a burial one.

[@PhilHardgrave]

Given Peter's orientation, this clickbait title is hilarious.

[@goldenphoenixpublish]

The Turing Test may be described as a test of whether or not our own "awareness" is able to recognize the awareness of others...

[@nobodyhome2318]

I feel like he's, smart as shit but naive in the sense that the bits help all other fields advance. Urban density has us moving slower as well. People congregate in all the same places.

[@jasonblack5818]

The world of atoms is more important than the world of bits…

[@churblefurbles]

Cutting out all the rogan pyramid nonsense really helps lol

[@saintpatrick6681]

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