Fast Electric Podcast Episode #2 Sur-Ron Special

In this week's edition of Fast Electric Podcast we are joined by special guest Mark Kitaoka professional photographer and longtime motocross fan who co-founded the Sur Ron Owners group, with Co-Host Matt Ricards and Host Eric HIcks.
00:01 Demonstration of Belt Drive ASI Sur Ron
01:19 Podcast gets stared / introduction
00:03 Mark decides to buy a sur-ron
02:11 Mark Decides to buy a Sur-Ron
02:48 Jackson tears down the Sur-ROn
03:10 Eric decides to go with Sur-Ron
05:28 Comparing surron to honda and suzuki
05:46 The Importance of Tooling
07:33 Mark compares Haibike to Sur-Ron
08:13 How often does mark ride sur-ron vs haibike
08:31 Pedal kit on Sur-Ron
10:40 Bitching about pedals
11:05 Do you wish your Haibike had a throttle?
11:56 Faux Peddles
13:00 Changes at Sur-Ron
14:39 homogenize Sur-ron
17:01 Optibike
18:05 Ass holes on ebikes
20:21 How did Sur Ron meet Luna
24:18 Parts from Sur-Ron
28:59 Ebike warranties
32:35 Future of the Sur Ron line up
34:29 Belt Drives on Sur Ron
36:23 Doing 50mph on Sur-Ron
37:12 90mph Sur-Ron
40:06 $3000 Suspension on Sur-Ron
We discuss existing and future upgrades to the Sur Ron, the history of Sur-Ron and how Luna Cycle became the North American distributor.
Marks Review of the Surron
www.markkitaoka.com/latest-new...
Mark Tours the Luna Cycle factory last summer: lunacycle.com/blog/a-tour-of-...
Sur Ron Owners Group Facebook
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Luna Cycle Sur Ron Sale Page lunacycle.com/sur-ron-mx/

[@harrvey]

Eric, you finally got a haircut after a hundred years!

[@greplink]

This podcast is great. Exactly what I've been looking for

[@Nachbo1234]

So stoked that you are continuing to support this bike! I look forward to seeing this product grow.

[@stevevazquez751]

THIS VIDEO WAS EXTREMELY INTERESTING!! i dont even have SURRON and found this video awsome!! Had me waiting 4 weeks for a video😡lol . Great job guys looking forward to your next video .

[@BigDijon]

I've ridden bikes around where Mark has pictured his bike and I'm super surprised I haven't seen him around haha. Really looking into getting a sur ron and I'm hoping I can get enough money to take advantage of that spring deal!

[@carolinegunnell8260]

Really good podcast, stoked to see the power upgrades vs stock. Also you guys really hit the nail on the head about respectful riding. Glad to see you guys are going with Gates i've built a few 70mph plus gy6 motors and the gates belts do not disappoint. Been saving up like crazy for the last year cant wait to finally click the checkout button. Thanks Eric for really pouring your heart and soul into this company its really inspiring to see. Would it be possible to talk about ballpark prices for the special edition? I'm no stranger to wiring harnesses/ mechanical tolerances and would appreciate the opportunity to be a beta tester.

[@morati1963]

Sounds great! Holding off my Surron purchase from you until all the mods are ready!

[@dalehall7139]

Great show Eric, I'll never be able to afford one but damn I'd like to have one just the same! Keep doing great things man!!

[@danielgautama]

Awesome episode, Sur-Ron is an amazing bike, thanks to Luna for this

[@billytait1435]

Awesome show... That Sur-Ron looks amazing... work save work save...

[@xpndblhero5170]

If I could get in on this in anyway, I would in a heartbeat.... I'd be happy buying some of the bikes that you had to tear down as long as I could get a running bike out of it. Luna and Sur-ron are insane and I need that in my life, Seriously¡!

[@dirtforce0897]

this is great, second post, i'll look back at this when this blows up :P

[@jvhoef5372]

It was really interesting watching this after I just ordered a bike with a pedal kit to help fly under the radar a bit more. Sort of wish I just stuck with pegs.

[@deejaydcruz1718]

He's still saying "homogenized" lol. Awesome podcast, I've been debating on whether I should get one. I think I'm going to stop by the store next week so I can finally see one in person.

[@commonsense6018]

Thank you for your honesty, at around 30 min it sounds like a business disaster, wow you guys must have deep pockets.

[@LunaCyclesLLC]

yes we took some huge losses... but its part of it :)

[@rickallday1660]

1000% Agree about the pedal kit. I wouldn't of bought the Sur-Ron either if you didn't offer it. Can't wait to receive it!

[@gregburgess6884]

Awesome guys thank you

[@landonashby2029]

Love these!

[@emtbtrailrider539]

Great video, keep these coming, but that is an electric motorcycle not class 1 eMTB so we can ride stealthy

[@Leorgo]

you're doing great. Luna.. pre-ordered my bike 2 weeks ago. now playing the waiting game.

[@DarrickMerrill]

Eric, the channel is great keep it up. I have an idea I would like for my Sur Ron based on a you tube clip from "Stunt Freaks for a sound system mounted for e bikes to give a cool programmable sound to mimic certain motors and logarythmically sensitive volume to throttle response to enhance safety and riding experience. Would you like to talk more about design and prototyping a system for Luna? HMU

[@edsonkidwell9813]

Bicycle brakes have not been pushed like this before. Going 90mph just is unheard of its a whole new field that needs much work new sur - Ron I'm looking at that belt drive

[@DominicPaz]

I'm literally waiting for my refi to finish so that I can buy one, but I don't want to put it on the credit card until the loan goes through. Please don't end the sale without letting people know when it's ending. Seriously, that would totally suck.

[@djbradfrd]

It’s too bad about how hard it is to get parts from Surron, maybe they’ll listen better now, great video, I watched it all, I liked learning about Olin shocks, (not forks) 😂 You kept calling the rear shock ,forks, that was funny.

[@commentcraftsman]

Yeah, that was a laugh, for sure!

[@PhiTonics]

Updates..? I'm interested in the bikes, but I think some of this transparency is really helpful for people who 'actually' know about motorcycles what they are buying. For instance I'm either going with the Surron, or the Cake, but this video really didn't sell me on the surron, besides the initial price. Sounds like the cost could easily go higher if you factor in headaches, research time, problems, and especially upgrades.

[@jmichaelklebbajr5246]

Please sell more of the Hot Rod Sur-Ron Special Edition Bikes although if possible?, I would like to go faster than what John Holmes says, for top speed on his video, where he claimed that his bike does 52mph (I do realize that John had a 60 tooth sprocket installed at the time he was testing). My stock Sur-Ron is the Same Speed as John's Special Edition Bike with a 48 tooth Rear Sprocket and the X Controller. Is his not setup for full speed, similar to riding in ECON Mode? Note: I did buy a 56 tooth sprocket but I didn't like the lower top speed, and I felt that it wasn't as good for Wheelies, so I put the 48 tooth sprocket back on. I also feel the 48 tooth is better gearing for approaching Jumps or Drops. What do other Riders think about the different gearing offered by the sprocket size modifications? I missed out on the opportunity to buy the special edition bike. Is there any way that Bike will be available again, anytime soon? Or is it possible to purchase the Luna Built 72Volt Battery and the BAC-8000 Controller Kit or the BAC-4000 Controller Kit, that comes Setup and Programmed from Luna Cycle? If so, I'd like to order the kit now! I'm an experienced rider that loves to push the limits and I have a consistent need for speed and adrenaline. I have a 2019 Sur-ron X Bike that I bought from Luna Cycle and Love it but I wish it was faster and had a longer and more powerful battery... By the Way, LUNA CYCLE HAS BEEN AMAZING, Thank You! SO FAR, I have upgraded graded my Sur-Ron Bike with NEW Brakes, Large Motocross Style Foot Pegs, Cane Creek Headset, Deity Mid-High Bend Bars, Renthal Pillow Grips, Lighting and A Full Suspension Upgrade Using the 2019 FOX 40 Downhill Forks in the Front and a FOX DHX2 10.5" Downhill Rear Shock... What a Difference! It is incredible what you can hit with the FOX Suspension vs the Stock Suspension! That's all! Thanks Luna Cycle!

[@ThePathfinders0369]

I want some of that brake testing.

[@Dubl3R]

This is my dream bike it’s still a little too expensive hopefully in a year or 2 it’ll be a little more cheaper with a app .... still can’t wait for the future of this bike

[@ajm9249]

hahaha

[@bossmustang6able]

Hopefully the pedal kit comes back in soon so I can buy a set 😓

[@dirtforce0897]

yeah so this INSANELY interesting, so many questions answered.....

[@xrpnick6828]

Are you guys still having the same issues or are things better now ? I’m looking to purchase a couple of these

[@trentdabs5245]

I'm from Vancouver Canada and a place has the Sur Ron X price $6,490

[@sorijin]

AZ still has barely heard of them wish there were more sold nationwide

[@sethclark9780]

My bmw i3 has a generator for battery back up. But there is no way to enable “hold charge” unless the battery is at %75 or less. The bmw engineers must have figured that was the safe number. Anyway, perhaps you can have the regents controller monitor battery charge level and switch off/on regen as needed.

[@auto-mobiledetailing8096]

Yes brake development, spot on... whew!!! Belt drive sounds nice and more reliable than I previously thought, can’t wait for controller upgrade and battery upgrade...what!!!!?, thank u Luna for going int the right direction with the SurRon👍

[@themountain59]

OEHLINS IS NICE but there are lots of options out there ...in the end is what you made out of it ;)..specially when you think a RST Killah is a good choice :D BTW...why change to a 80$ brake disk when a 15$ brakepad change would do the trick.

[@glenndavis2762]

what brake pads do you use for the Sur Ron?

[@mackattack8627]

Shit yeah y'all go rite ahead and power them bikes up this going to be a fun future now🤓 between y'all and 👽 ride's get your amp draw up I'm coming 👹

[@pierrefitch]

I cut the green wire for the speed limit and the speedometer only reads up to 45km/h

[@deftrover]

👍

[@JohnDickDingleJR.]

I can’t find episode 1?

[@UDX-340]

Great job , I really enjoyed this . Eric fell in the fountain of youth ?

[@LunaCyclesLLC]

i got a haircut and a shave for the show :)

[@jasona.neverforgetfukushim647]

@@LunaCyclesLLC didn't recognize you at all, just your voice and mannerisms

[@Brakzer]

41:00 *showing ohlins rear shock* Eric: "how much that fork cost you ?"

[@anythinguploads2161]

I bought a "stealth frame " but now I'm thinking it's going to be a waste of money buying individual parts to build it vs. than just buying a Sur Ron.

[@johnphillip6328]

I need surron ebike soo bad🙁

[@ZOMBuckaCurt]

Do you need a license for the sur Ron or can I ride it like any other ebike

[@mikesamos6844]

No license needed

[@ZOMBuckaCurt]

Mike Samos I’ve looked into them since and I do believe you need a license man

[@greplink]

You playing the wsop this year?

[@LunaCyclesLLC]

yes :)

[@MrDjh66]

Thought I was getting mine today now Monday so bummed

[@applesthompson863]

Are sur ron selling these bikes with these upgraded controller s

[@nyslut666]

I-a, i-a, i-a, i-a, it -it-it...

[@guitaristmarko]

I'm 280 lbs. What will happen if I ride one of these things?

[@timpeifer6682]

Pro dh racers use mixed compound brake pads

[@gstylez0107]

The fact that he kept dodging the question on the new 4000 controller has me concerned.. He wouldn't just give us an answer as to whether or not we can expect the ludicrous kit or not. He clearly knows something that he isn't telling us. Sounds like they won't be releasing the controller without having to spend another $1500 on a new battery with it.. He just doesn't want to admit it yet.. I really want to buy one of their bikes, but the last thing I want is a bike only to be left out in a year from now when they release a version that's twice the power.. I want something that can be upgraded in the future as better batteries and controllers are released..

[@Poontang123]

20mile to 25mile range just so people know before they buy

[@lucanday4684]

unless u make it a hard tail and tow a trailer with 2 exta batterys and a generator. then infinity range.

[@mikesamos6844]

Too many variables to make a statement like that.

[@JC-yx1sc]

Seems getting replacement parts is still a issue

[@brianbassett4379]

For those that can't afford a motorcycle.

[@turbodan78]

Why not try a shaft drive?

[@warlockboyburns]

something I didn't like about the sur-ron mx was the sound

[@LunaCyclesLLC]

it is chain noise that both the x and mx have.... if you look at the beginning of the video you see a completely quiet surron...its the belt drive that makes it quiet.

[@thomasdarby9770]

@@LunaCyclesLLC i also want to purchase one of these but i want it quiet and not loud which version of the bike is the most quiet?

[@Metal-Possum]

I'm not sure on your new haircut...

[@LunaCyclesLLC]

trying to make disguise :)

[@alonsoriveragavilan8979]

Cuanto cuesta una sun ron black potente?

[@crackpipejoe3508]

WHAT WAS THAT 50% OFF DISCOUNT CODE AGAIN????????

[@LunaCyclesLLC]

BEN DOVER it’s 3/4 to the end

[@crackpipejoe3508]

@@LunaCyclesLLC THANKS!!!!!

[@SmokytheBear6969]

Lol "Ben Dover"?

[@IrvingtonArms]

I see alot of electric bike that I sat now way that an electric motorcycle... but Im not the law.

[@budwhite9781]

Sounds like bafang and sur ron have been extorting you. I have owned 17 ebikes of varying power and every one of them have stopped working for different reasons except my Sondors Thin belt drive which was $900 total with suspension fork. As a result of me losing thousands of dollars, I am no longer buying any more electric bikes. Great information here and thanks for all of your hard work. I hope you can one day eliminate having to use anything that isnt made in America.

[@alexroge6495]

They mentioned 2/10 batteries are bad, that wouldn’t happen if the batteries were legit panasonic...

[@iiiDartsiii]

like every other hobby, people will abuse it and eventually stupid laws will be made

[@999______]

Y’all should have an alternator that hooks up to the chain so you can charge your battery while riding

[@MM-se7eu]

I can't hear you that well.

[@SmokytheBear6969]

Ei ei ei ei ei ei i i i i

[@dalysea26]

You should probably stop using the Joe Rogan Experience graphic in your podcasts or your videos might get hit with a copyright strike.

[@maxmuller1038]

I just found it insulting to see. Almost did not watch the video due to the plagiarism but I guess that is the ultimate form of flattery?

[@First.Last.99]

how to rip off JRE logo lol

[@juliandesmond4572]

YOU CANTcontradict every guest you have and interupt them

[@colinbaird3673]

not bad for a cheap chines bike to slow and to small for most people and to slow not legal in many western countries on the road or paved areas, my old motorbike is faster in first gea

[@DRIVENROYALTY]

Terrible customer service tbh tho