Fast Fighter Jet Drag Race: F-15E vs The World! | DCS

[@grimreapers]

Other GR drag races: kzbin.info/aero/PL3kOAM2N1YJdWdOqxZeFtibVLTmi1vpxS

[@waynesworldofsci-tech]

How about same race, half loaded, and then fully loaded. That would be an interesting comparison. In battle you don’t fly clean. By loading I mean full fuel and half or full ordinance for an Air to Air mission.

[@termitreter6545]

IIRC the main issue is the CFT pylons, they are weirdly shaped and extremely draggy. Tbf we all knew this plane isnt gonna be a super dogfighter, its probably better at high altitude BVR. And otherwise its just a bomber.

[@rogerpennel1798]

You could try having three gates spaced evenly. You could then say which leg of the race each aircraft won and the aircraft with the lowest average score wins.

[@Dirtyharry70585]

Where’s Wile E Coyote and the rocket pack?

[@glaabaglooba]

Is there like a climb race somewhere? Who gets to 45000 ft first or something

[@0BuLLeT01]

The F15E is like a diesel truck. It might not be the fastest, but it doesn't lose nearly as much performance as the others when everyone is carrying a combat load.

[@bBrain]

cough mach 2.5+ who cares what the 0-300knots speed is. Whats the 0.95 to ??? over say 30 miles at 31000 feet. It'll be a completely different race. Would also be run to see a combat load out drag race. Completely different story.

[@termitreter6545]

Tbf F-15C, SU-27, F-14, etc are all heavy planes, its not like the F-15E is much bigger. Its just quite draggy with those CFTs+Pylons and weight. I think its gonna bring a huge amount of fuel though. You got those big fuel tanks and can have two more drop tanks. Thatll get you very far, and is probably showing why this plane is mainly used as a bomber. Not F-111 levels of range, but a lot more versatile in any other situation. I also wonder if the engines will perform better at high altitude or higher speeds. In theory they should produce a LOT of thrust, more T/W than an F-15C.

[@steveturner3999]

Good one!

[@JETZcorp]

​@termitreter6545 I've heard the F-15E is MUCH heavier than the C. I think one Mud Hen pilot said an F-15C with 8 missiles and a full load of gas weighs the same as an F-15E sitting stripped and dry on the ramp. Then when you add that the CFTs have more drag than the wing drop tanks... woof.

[@bBrain]

@@termitreter6545 "mainly used as a bomber" part killed me. Bro the F15 is THE greatest hands down air dominice aircraft ever made...that could do bombing in it's golden years is a far better way to explain the F15. Oh and it can do mach 2.5+ (Nobody really knows the full speed unclassified number, but it's greater than 2.5 mach) Even the F16 can't do that.

[@pahtar7189]

The F-15E is effectively a medium bomber rather than a fighter. I'd love to see a comparison of bomb trucks. For that matter it would be awesome to have the F-111 variants!

[@kibathemechanic4967]

The land-based versions with the long wings(F-111C/G) were the best looking. Ya know what? Maybe they should also throw in the F-111B "Deviant" just to make things interesting?

[@Notmeeeeeee69]

F-111 and F105 are the most sorely needed Cold War American aircraft. I would kill to get those and the su24. Honestly even an fc3 type fighter-bomber pack would be incredible.

[@einarabelc5]

Attack interceptor is the correct denomination.

[@patchwrk]

Ugh, this is my absolute favorite GR format... silly competitions!!! =)

[@hasina1461]

F15e of course has the back seat and conformal fuel tanks so much heavier compared to its C counter part eject your WSO for extra speed haha

[@johnaikema1055]

do this with all fighters carrying 2 equal radar long range guided and 2 equal IR short range missiles. this loadout would be a far more reasonable QRA purpose for the speed.

[@92HazelMocha]

Jf17 would be dead last and the F16 would be towards the rear.

[@mr.z6252]

Salty ehemmmm

[@LT_WARWOLF]

Yeah and add some bags

[@contingency9]

The English Electric Lightening would have thrashed the lot by a mile, surprised it wasnt included.

[@Rhinozherous]

Drag Race is the best competition ever! I wish you guys would do it more often 😊 For example a race with the same aircraft. Small inputs would make the difference. Or same aircraft types but at the carriers you have to turn back and the start is the goal...

[@j4s0n39]

I was playing around with it with low fuel loads yesterday, and the E could maintain Mach 2.2 on afterburner after running out of fuel. You should rerun the test with 1% fuel, before Razbam fixes that bug.

[@DemoNotReal]

Was the bug the reason it was slower?

[@92HazelMocha]

M2.2 clean is actually the correct max speed, although obviously only while the engines are still running lol

[@j4s0n39]

@@92HazelMocha Wikipedia says 2.5, but that might also be without the missile racks that we can't remove currently. And the engines were running with zero fuel, with full burner. That's the bug.

[@j4s0n39]

@@DemoNotReal I would think it made the jet faster, because of the lower weight. I was suggesting it as a way to cheat to increase the T/W ratio.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

@@j4s0n39 Theoretically it should be possible to get that thing to 2.5 and maybe even more, yes. But the CFTs have a safety limit of M 2.0. Well, add a 10% margin and 2.2 is still fine, I guess, but you should still be accelerating and more or less required to throttle back to keep your maintenance crew happy. BTW I only managed to push it to just below 1.8. But I encountered the bug where past M 1.42 above 30k ft the fuel flow somehow goes negative and the thing fills its tanks up magically, making it uncredibly heavy ofc.

[@Allforfun9001]

I would hate to be under all that lol. Goodbye eardrums

[@JMak4655]

Goodbye brain matter 😂

[@loosesurfer]

That rattle would cause me to shart

[@einarabelc5]

The best part is the initial frame I tell ya. That F-16 next to the Su-27, wow!!

[@DemonLordGamingAC0]

Flanker is goddamn massive!

[@TheStefcont]

It would be very interesting to do that again, but this time with each aircraft at their MTOW... who knows how that would play out! 🤔🤔🤔

[@MTBScotland]

Eurofighter would have been nice to see

[@madaxe606]

Can't wait to see how the MiG-23MLA is going to do in this test. Famous for its acceleration ability!

[@dmaxfan]

Why did the f14 take off with its wings folded😂

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Less drag XD I remember trying to get the F4U-1C with 2 Tims and 8 HVARs off the deck in Il-2 PF back in the day. A static deck BTW, so no WOD. It was only possible by leaving the flaps up and the wings folded first and unfolding at the right time as well as putting the flaps down at the right time... :D

[@mrlodwick]

No Typhoon Capt!

[@raymondfortenberry8611]

I did notice that when the F-15C started ahead of you, his afterburner was lit, but you were still at 100%, no burner so he walked away easily. Look at the video at 3:40. It still probably would not help a ton; however, you got a slow start with no burner.

[@MrBojangles2020]

yea i fly the C all the time he def cranked down that throttle on go!lol

[@ecbst6]

Hey, Cap, just booked now, will be in London for Guy Fawkes Day this year, would love to buy a couple rounds if we can figure out the logistics 🙂

[@danhodson7187]

That was awesome, but where my Typhoon at??

[@blackhatch46]

F/A-18 Is the most versatile fighter in the US inventory. It is truly impressive when not having supply issues.

[@kibathemechanic4967]

...or flying very far...

[@blackhatch46]

@@kibathemechanic4967 It's carrier based...

[@kibathemechanic4967]

@@blackhatch46 ...still has short legs...

[@termitreter6545]

F-18 has a bit of an issue with top speed, as soon as it has more than 2/2 missiles. Also high altitude it doesnt perform as well as more dedicated air superiority aircraft (F14, F15, etc). Both is a pretty big deal in BVR. But thats why the F-18 is primarily a bomber.

[@blackhatch46]

@@termitreter6545 It is not a bomber...thats not how naval/Marine aviation works.

[@smokeyjoe1034]

Hey Cap. Although we don't always agree on things, I just wanted to let you know that I was thinking about you. You're the man.

[@SPFLDAngler]

You do realize the FM still needs a lot of work, right?… the thing “stalls” going 330 indicated. It’s very early early access.

[@imellor711]

I love these kind of GR videos, as they make my day!!!!

[@sleepy_dobe]

Interesting video. I wonder how the results might differ if all jets were fully loaded with payloads for the same mission type, ie. all jets loaded for a bombing run, and then again with all jets loaded for a fighter-interceptor role.

[@syn629-C]

Need to set it up as an intercept race. Each fighter equipped for an interception mission including correct fuel and weapons load. Then race to intercept an inbound bomber (at a realistic range and altitude).

[@ToastGamingNCrew]

Something to note, that I'm not sure is on the 15E, is the emergency fuel throttle lever, which will cook the engine but opens the throttle completely, essentially unrestricted fuel flow. That for sure is something on the F-15C, and if modeled in DCS, could be responsible for some results

[@s.daniel9224]

E has v-max

[@eosaeostre9242]

As they say of the C-model Eagle, “Not a pound for air to ground.”

[@roytelling6540]

and I will KEEP saying it You don't have the English Electric Lighting!!!!!! LoL

[@imgavster66]

The F15E release was so random

[@imgavster66]

I expected it in July

[@emfournet]

Ive been waiting for this video for a long time! Woooo F-15E! I'd love to see a max-bombload drag race...

[@slowhornet4802]

First of all, many thanks for all the tutorials! They helped a lot. If I look at the complexity the F-15E is so much more complicated compared to the Hornet. The HRM is the only selling point. Anyway, Hornet and Harrier and Viggen remain my favorites for ground attack. For drag races, we really need the F-104, or the Jaguar. They would not necessarily win, but they are much more sexy and isn't this what really counts?

[@johnmiles79]

Why no Typhoon!!!!!!!!!

[@ivorharden]

Where is the Eurofighter?

[@FlybywireTheGerman]

Core game Eurofighter is expected to be out earliest next year

[@rgloria40]

How about drag race at operating altitude?

[@gordonmullan1418]

Try run this test over a 30 mile run with a height limit of 600ft with check points at 10,20 miles to see how the top speed at low altitude if different to the acceleration. As some the planes are faster but not at take off and ten miles is a short test just a thought.

[@Musix4me-Clarinet]

Hmm. I cannot update past DCS World 2.8.4 (requires 2.8.6) and so my F-15E is not available. Do I need to install the Beta to get it?

[@Czar66]

Yes. Open beta branch.

[@Musix4me-Clarinet]

@@Czar66 Thanks. I will try that. Edit: That did it. Thanks again.

[@_IFLYFSX_]

Fantastic video, so much to watch. You guys had a great time!

[@mm3mm3]

I swear it’s glandular 😂

[@A7XKoRnRocks1]

These are always so much fun.

[@andycano5756]

The SU-27 set the time to climb record. How can it come in 7th place?

[@shuntera]

Should have had the Harrier - wouldn’t win, but super fast at takeoff!

[@hellgamerclan]

F-16 OP

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

0:23 Bogatchev! 0:28 Jeffy B. Sus! 0:37 It's Xinese! And Ponk! 0:46 Poccnrese! 0:50 _TOMCATS!_ 0:55 Big Fatty! :D 1:00 My lovely sister is one as well ;) 2:30 _"PoCcNr StRoNk!"_ XD 3:42 I just tried the 15E today and hat the feeling it accelerates like a bus. It's got more thrust than the C and should at least accelerate about equally fast, especially given the fact the tanks aren't full to the brim. And drag is basically almost neglectible at that speed. 4:51 LOL! Almost sounds like a Linus quote... XD 10:13 Hugh Crayne be like: "Done everything right, guys!"

[@Duvstep910]

no need to apologize cap; I knew the F-15E wasn't gonna be the fastest anyway because of all the added avionics and the CFTs and stuff; but she will always be a bomb hauler

[@bracsols]

Maybe try again with not 10% of max fuel but everybody gets like 1000lb of fuel (I have no Idea if this more or less of fuel, but u get the idea) or everydody gets enough fuel to go like 250 miles under full afterburner.

[@CIDRobT]

Redo at high altitude

[@moxzy3213]

If possible look into being able to control the nozzles, when the nozzles are full closed you'll get more thrust

[@Davros-vi4qg]

Oh Drag Race time. VROOOM! Get some!!!!

[@jordanmartinez2432]

Glandular!!!!😂😂😂😂 You guys made my damn day!!!😂😂😂😂😂

[@TR4Ajim]

How would the F-104 compare?

[@JETZcorp]

Probably about mid-pack. It was really fast for the time, but pretty draggy at low speeds and hits a brick wall trying to punch through the sound barrier compared to modern fighters. I read that with two Starfighters in formation, if one crossed the Mach slightly earlier, he'd shoot out ahead. When the F-15 came out, they started accidentally going supersonic without realizing it, because they were used to feeling that shockwave drag that just wasn't a problem anymore. Also bear in mind, the big, beastly J79 engine only makes as much thrust as one F404 from the Hornet. It's light, but that's not a crazy amount of power when there are Eagles and Vipers on the field.

[@stevehensonuk]

Good giggle Cap! Who would have loved to have been stood on the decks of those carriers at the end! Is the Eurofighter Typhoon in DCS? I heard that's fast off the deck as well

[@bigbore4498]

Could we not just set all the planes up with say, 1000lbs of fuel across the board? I still think the 16 would win. But it may shake things up a bit for 2nd-6th place. I do think it’s about time for another race through a city.

[@92HazelMocha]

10% fuel for the F15E is like full fuel for the JF17 lol

[@conan670431]

Than was fun :) Wonder if the Fishbed would regain some if you have RATO's on it Cap :)

[@Dirtyharry70585]

What where’s the SR-71

[@Mobius118]

I quite enjoy these! That being said it might be fun to see a race with jets filled with just enough fuel to get across the finish line at full burn, I’m curious what changes that might make in the results

[@brolinmckay]

If ground effect is modeled, try that next time especially over the water. Keep the plane within half a wingspan of the ground and it (should if it’s modeled) start accelerating faster.

[@dorianwall5849]

How would all of these stack up against an English Electric Lightening in a drag race?

[@LondonSteveLee]

They'd lose!

[@judet2992]

fast as fuck *boi*

[@whalehands]

Just imagine what it would feel like to do that in a real Viper

[@mikebryant6367]

hi can you help what key do i need to get my mouse to move the view in cockpit

[@wolfgangamadeus1246]

Were having fun fun fun until daddy takes the T-Bird awayyyyyy! Love seeing all the different air frames together in one video, it gives such an accurate perspective on the relative size of the various aircraft. F-16 for the win! Yea baby, now that's what I'm talking about. A modern, fully updated, F-16 in the hands of good pilot will punch way above its weight, both figuratively and literally.

[@alexanderandersson4093]

Where did the Viggen place?

[@piconano]

Which aircraft consumed the least amount of fuel? The lightest?

[@grimreapers]

F-14b used must fuel.

[@IgoByaGo]

I think it is a bug. I couldn't go faster than M 1.4 at 40,000 feet with everything removed.

[@92HazelMocha]

Should top out at m2.2 at 35kasl(iirc, might be 30k)

[@IgoByaGo]

@@92HazelMocha I also had to inverse my toe brakes, which I didn’t have to do with the f18.

[@slickstrings]

Matty hall who flew the f15e in the gulf said it doesnt really accelerate much differently to the hornet because of those draggy cft's.

[@glaabaglooba]

I know its a game but this is freaking kickass to see. Really surprised by the Hornet!

[@ryanpayne7707]

Cap, a couple of years ago, you did a GR Grand Prix racing jets on the ground. Could you do something similar again, but this time with warbirds?

[@vonsmutt4254]

Good job I'm drunk

[@Note2Self_IRL]

Do a longer run !!! I loved it !!!

[@Eagle-kp7fx]

Such a shame u dont have a f-4

[@bharat2580]

please do it a few times, 1 vertical, 11 full load etc etc

[@revengefullobster4524]

No MIG 31/25? You should do a "roll on" from 300kts at 10k alt or so.

[@RTS907]

“I’m giving her all she’s got Captain!”

[@superdudet1621]

No f22?

[@nubbuka]

awesome vid like always :D Like a lot of people in the comments said, a BOMBER race, or, which plane under the heaviest possible (realistically as possible lel) drag race :D

[@rustyshaklferd1897]

Why no streak eagle? No sr-71 either. No foxbat?

[@rustyshaklferd1897]

The streak eagle has the record for quickest climb to multiple altitudes.

[@Jacksonflax]

This would look WAY different with realistic combat loadouts. The Charlie would probably be out front by a while, then the legacy hornet and strike eagle and viper would be much closer together behind it…

[@guyb7995]

Now do it with the max load of each aircraft :) Full fuel, bombs, tanks etc

[@danstewart3894]

Have you done this with WW2 fighters. Checking your library.

[@grimreapers]

It'll be in here: kzbin.info/aero/PL3kOAM2N1YJdWdOqxZeFtibVLTmi1vpxS

[@ericstefko4852]

Wonder how the Eurofighter or Grippen do

[@Jester-nt1tw]

Wish you could have included a AV-8. From your previous races, it seems to be one of the faster ones getting to speed (although the top speed is much lower than a lot of them).

[@DemonLordGamingAC0]

It beats literally everything off the line but hard stops gaining speed around 550 knots

[@Jester-nt1tw]

@@DemonLordGamingAC0 Exactly since it was a short race, it would have been interesting to see how it did. I suspect it would have been dismal in a longer race.

[@stewsaquarium1397]

The V-Max switch doesn't do anything in that version of the F15E, it has a different engine then the one that worked with V-Max, it says it in the manual, just look for the section where it explains the switches on that panel

[@fedster187]

love to see the tornado at this level

[@711liljay]

I think you need to do a u drag race or maybe a race to a point. A climb vertical and then race back

[@scottdevaney3928]

How come no SR-71 or XB-70 Valkyrie

[@FlybywireTheGerman]

Only core games planes on this one

[@LondonSteveLee]

SR-71 would be terrible at low altitudes and speeds - their engines are designed to be high and fast. Generally, planes designed to be marine aircraft should win this test. engines designed to give good response and thrust (to get off a short deck with a full weapons load) - pure fighters should struggle but ramp up speed quickly once moving.

[@draigygoch]

Why no Typhoon or Rafale?

[@DocPrakhar]

No Foxbat?

[@rickbyrne3967]

I love this channel!

[@EagleSteve86]

I just think the race needs to be twice the distance. Can you try again? That Strike Eagle was catching up. Im curious to see how many planes you overtake

[@StaK_1980]

Love this! But for full test you should re run this with everyone using full fuel and maximum loadout ( weight) I'd love to see the snail race version of this 😂😂

[@mr.z6252]

If the olympic comitee start putting their contestant with 20lbs of weight for a 100m dash.... then i'll accept that *"Full Combat weight"* sugestion of yours

[@jackpatrick4462]

Where's the Typhoon?

[@rastaboy_gamesnstuff7778]

Sam/flakk Alley soon?

[@Sky_King7]

do the same thing but with a typical Air-toAir weapon loadout... Like the RAF guy said, it would be interesting to see how well the F16C carries a load vs the F15C's ability to still be fast with a loadout.

[@627horsepowers]

Have you guys done time to different altitudes?

[@lencac7952]

Nice job. I can't get Growling Sidewinder to do any racing. How bout a race with the same planes going from brake release to 40,000 ft.

[@donaldteed35]

When you want a plane like these to perform the best, you need to be really tight on the AOA. If you let it creep up, it can stick with you the rest of the way. Then you're using thrust as part of your up vector rather than going faster and letting the wings provide the same amount of up vector (or lift). It would be worthwhile to switch pilots around in case you have some in the team that are better at managing their AOA.

[@elestromusicgamesfun1101]

As a Swede, I'm a bit upset over that Viggen start :P

[@Pete_Finch]

Trap speed vs ET is fundamental in real world drag racing - interesting that the MiG-29's trap speed was higher than the F16's while its ET was much slower

[@termitreter6545]

I think the Mig-29 has variable geometry intakes, that might explain why it keeps accelerating better under some circumstances. It can burn a ton of fuel and IIRC even destroy its engines that way.

[@antoniohagopian213]

​@@termitreter6545MiG-25 is the one that destroys it's engines at mach3. MiG-29 can get to mach2.8 but it won't destroy itself.

[@LondonSteveLee]

"It's mainly the power of your jet" - no it's not - it's how efficient the engines are low down - bypass ratios make a huge difference to how a jet accelerates from standstill - Harrier for instance will beat almost anything to 500 knots - it just stops accelerating at that point. The British Rolls Royce engined F-4 is also a monster at low altitude - it will leave a "faster" American F-4 for dust until they are fast and high where the roles will be reversed. Then there are truly special planes like Jaguar which manage to be rubbish at low and high altitudes - that takes some doing!

[@jonelsorel]

Cool clip. You should try to redo it with the same amount of fuel for all (not same %).